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Having ignored my own advice to always consider the source, I foolishly bought the book after being intrigued by another’s comments. Now that I have the book, it is readily apparent why I had never heard of it before, it is pretty much a piece of dry sh1t with nothing new.
But it DOES have value, it demonstrates to modern Blacks just how outrageously bold Albinos used to be with their lies and falsifications. Clearly, they never expected that one day Black researchers would come behind them, and examine all that they had done and said – and prove them to be degenerate liars and obfuscators.
BACKGROUND:
Excavations at the site were initiated under John L. Caskey in 1952, whose efforts initiated the series of publications of Bronze Age Lerna, Lerna I-V, inspiring many other publications. Caskey famously bailed on the race issue with this statement: Quote – “It would be premature, and not within the scope of this paper, to discuss the questions of race and migration that are implicit in the proposals here advanced.”
Occupation: Lerna was occupied in Neolithic times, as early as the fifth millennium BCE, then was abandoned for a time before the sequence of occupation from the Early Bronze Age (Helladic period through the Mycenaean). On-site techniques of flint-knapping with imported obsidian and chert attest to cultural continuity over this long stretch of time, with reduction in the supply of obsidian from Melos testifying to reduced long-distance trade at the end of Early Helladic III, corresponding to Lerna IV.
Lerna has one of the largest prehistoric tumuli of Greece, accumulated during a long Neolithic occupation; then its crest was levelled and extended — as at Early Helladic Eutresis and Orchomenus— in a new settlement: this stratum, called Lerna III in the site's stratigraphy, corresponds with Early Helladic II at other sites. Lerna III lacks signs of continuity with the previous occupation; it is the site of a two-storey palace or administrative center that is referred to as House of the Tiles, for the terracotta tiles that sheathed its roof (an early example of tile roofing).
This strongly fortified power center dates to the Early Bronze Age culture called Early Helladic, ca 2500 - 2200 BCE. Though five stages of occupation at Lerna have been identified, the site of "House of the Tiles", after it had been destroyed by fire, was not rebuilt upon, whether through respect or fear, until, at the end of the Middle Helladic period, shaft graves were cut into the tumulus of the House of Tiles, indicating that the significance of that monument had been forgotten. Lerna was used as a cemetery during the Mycenaean age, but was abandoned about 1250 BCE.
Ceramics of Lerna III include the hallmark spouted vessels that archaeologists name "sauceboats", with rims that sweep upwards into a curved spout, as well as bowls with incurving rims, both flat-bottomed and with ring bases, and wide saucers, sometimes with glazed rims, more pleasant for the drinker's lips. Jars and hydria have swelling curves. Painted decoration is sparse; stamped sealing form decorative patterns on some pieces, or rolled scribed cylinders have been used to make banded patterns. Remarkably, banded patterns made with the self-same seal have been found at Lerna, Tiryns and Zygouries. The burning of the House of Tiles brought the Third Period at Lerna to a decisive close; a low round tumulus marked its undisturbed, apparently sacrosanct site.
Lerna IV (Early Helladic III) marked a fresh start, not as a fortified seat of central authority this time, but as a small town, with houses of two and three rooms with walls of crude brick set upon stone foundations; several had central circular hearths. Narrow lanes separated houses. A great profusion of unlined pits (bothroi) was characteristic of this phase: eventually they became filled with waste matter, bones, potsherds, even whole pots. The pottery, markedly discontinuous with Lerna III, shows a range of new forms, and the first signs— regular spiral grooves in bases and parallel incised lines— marking the increasing use of the potter's wheel. Painted linear decoration in dark glaze on the pale body is characteristic of Lerna IV. Caskey identified early examples of the ware that in Middle Helladic contexts would be recognized as Minyan ware, and, among the few examples of imported pottery, a winged jar characteristic of Troy, perhaps Troy IV.
Lerna V is continuous with the preceding phase, distinguished largely by new styles in pottery with the sudden, peaceful introduction of matte-painted ware, the thick-slipped Argive version of gray Minyan ware, and a vigorous increase in the kinds of imported wares, coming from the Cyclades and Crete (Middle Minoan IA). A new custom of burying the dead in excavations within the houses or between them is universal at the period.
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John Lawrence Angel (1915–1986) was a British-American biological anthropologist. He was appointment in 1962 as Curator of Physical (Biological) Anthropology at the National Museum of Natural History, Smithsonian Institution. This book, The People of Lerna was published in 1971.
On page 5 Angel says this: Quote: “This is a visual classification and approach of the sort which we all use in everyday life. For this reason I use visual appraisal and not the arbitrary combinations of indices which Dixon 1923, and Hooton 1930 used, nevertheless, the history of anthropology shows typologies to be dangerous; as oversimplifications, they have been used for the worst purposes of generalizations and racism. Then the degenerate racist goes on to use terms to describe what are overwhelmingly Black skulls, with Albino related terms.
Early bronze 3,000, (Early Helladic III starting at 2,200 B.C. Middle bronze - late Helladic I-II – 2,000-1,600 B.C. Late bronze late Helladic I-III and Mycenaean – 1,600 – 1,150 B.C. Early iron age 1,150-650 B.C. Geometric ceramic period - 850-650 B.C.
Page 29 - circa 2,000 B.C. those causing the destruction of Lerna - proto-Hellenes, were probably the first of several waves reaching Greece. Gimbutas (1963) sees the origin of these indo-European people as the steppe farmers east of the Caspian Sea, then later, the kurgan people north of the black sea.
Skull Types as defined by Angel:
A) Linear rugged skull, with reduced but sometimes wide upper face and strong jaws.
Basic white, Cro-Magnon, Eurafrican, (as in latest paleolithic Russia - Debets 1955, or Hotu 2 in north Iran - Angel 1952, or in north Africa from Nubia to morocco - Anderson 1968, Ferembach 1962, Biggs 1955, as well as in central Europe - Coon 1939.
Basic White type AI is close to the British Megalithic form and to the Atlanto-Mediterranean of Deniker and others. it is longer-faced, more linear than A3. Type A2 is a smaller version of the upper paleolithic norm and is broader based and more rugged than A3, the central basic white which approximates the Eurafrican, and is a smaller version of Cro-magnon. A4 is a squat-faced and low-headed version of A3 being more eastern than African. A5 is a more massive version.
B) Extremely gracile paedomorphic, linear, pinched-face, Classic Mediterranean - clear only late at Wadi en Natuf and elsewhere in the steppe-desert edge from Anau in Turkestan westward to morocco - McCown 1939, Angel 1951, Ferembach 1962.
The classic Mediterranean type B1 is a generalized Mediterranean whereas B2 is the more angular form as often found in Egypt. types B3 more linear, B4 with the long face approximate the desert belt versions from north Africa and Siwah to Hissar and Kazakhstan.
C) Paedomorphic with reduced and rounded face, but keeping the wide Neanderthal skull base and brain, and hence a wide skull (Alpinoid) as at Solutre and Ofnet - Coon 1939, and elsewhere in central Europe.
Alpine C1 is typical central European alpine. C2 is a smaller version of this, C3 is the upper Paleolithic to Mesolithic form. C4 is short faced but narrow-nosed and with an almost flat occiput, it is eastern but not Armenoid form. C5 is a low-headed and squat-faced version of C4.
D) Forms with reduced massiveness, keeping Neanderthal anterior face, downgrowth and nose strength to resist oblique forward chewing stresses. (Nordic-Iranian, Irano-Afghan, corded etc. as in Hotu 1, later at Sialk, Vallois 1939 and Hissar, Krogman 1940, in northern Iran, Ginsburg 1956, and with corded culture in Europe, Coon 1939.
Nordic-Iranian type D1 lies between Anglo-Saxon and keltic area norms. and D2 is the earlier pre-bronze age corded form which coon identifies. D3 is lighter and more hawk-nosed and is transitional to the Mediterranean type B4 and D4 (Iranian) which is the proto-Iranian of Vallois and proto-Nordic of krogman. D5 approximates coons Danubian-Hallstatt.
E) Direct paedomorphic transformations, large, high-vaulted mesocrane with big forehead and reduced face (Mixed Alpine) as in Hotu 3 at Jericho, Ofnet and Teviec in central and Western Europe.
Mixed Alpine E1 has A3 form puffed-out and more paedomorhhic. E2 is Nordic Alphine and E3 is Mediterranean alpine.
F) Long nose, big face, vaguely Neanderthaloid like forms like D or B, and comparatively short and high-vault (dinaroid, dinaric-mediterranean, as in central European Mesolithic at Hohlenstein and Kaufertsberg and much later in the near east, Angel 1951.
Dinaric- mediterranean type F1 is the lighter more Mediterranean version found in lower Egypt or Anatolia. F2 is the broader bigger-faced more dinaroid version. F3 is the low-headed east Balkan version with some Iranian face features. F4 has a more Iranian face and short vault and little occipital bulge.
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^I don't know about anyone else, but the only skull that I see, which "Could" be Albino is 181.
I still can't get over the terms that lying piece of Albino sh1t used to describe these Black skulls.
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Physical anthropological terms used to discuss ancient man are meant to 'white' Black people out of history.
Afrocentric researchers over the years saw through these terms and made it clear that Brown Race, euroAfrican, Old mediterranean, and etc. referred to negroes.
As a result, many anthropologists claim that 'race' does not exist, because the skeletons of the ancient founders of civilization are of 'negroes'. They know that many brainwashed negroes feel inferior to whites and desire a color-blind society--embrace the idea 'races ' don't exist, so they can feel less inferior.
Afrocentric researchers embrace the idea of race, because the craniometric evidences proves tha Blacks ruled many parts of Eurasia up to 1492, when the Moors were forced out of Iberia and Blacks in America were murdered by Spanish Explorers and their Amerindian allies.
Isn't it ironic that as a result of the slave trade Blacks have again become the dominant group in many parts of the south, northeast USA and central America, like they were in the pre-Columbian times.
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^The religious people say that the lord looks after Children and Fools, so perhaps that's the answer.
While doing this report, it was brought home to me once again, what a disadvantage they have us at. They control everything - all the materials of OUR history, then they want to show it to us, and tell us what it all means - generally that it's them.
I wanted to present an African skull that was the exact match for each Lerna skull, but guess what I found - there is no collection of Black skulls, and certainly not one which shows each Black phenotype. Negroes really need to get their act together. Imagine, not even having a collection of skulls which show ALL Black diversity.
Thus when some lying Albino piece of sh1t like Angel, describes skulls like 10, 193, 176, 203: as "Alpine-Mediterranean". An ignorant Negro has no way of knowing that skulls like those, belong to children like this:
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As many of you have already figured out, this entire board consists of ONE sick degenerate that has created ficticious names to talk to itself in. Just a few of these fake names include CLYDE WINTERS, MIKE111,Egmond Codfried, Djehuti, NAMERTHOTH and THE LIONESS. These are just a FEW of the fake names that spend all day talking to itself because the ENTIRE site is comprised of this same ONE sick degenerate that has created fake names to talk to itself ALL DAY LONG! The only REAL and legitimate poster on this site is MYSELF and the rest cannot be trusted! DO NOT CLICK ON ANY OF THE LINKS OR BANNERS ON THIS SITE, unless they are links that I provide for you! There is NOONE on this site that can be trusted but me. The only links on this site that can be trusted are the ones that I provide for you! Here is a link that you can use as a resource and can be trusted! http://www.raceandhistory.com/
When you have finished reading this post check out this site to learn the truth about history and ALL civilzations. Do NOT be fooled by the real history link that the filthy monkey created using the race and history link as a guide. This is the ONLY site that can be trusted http://www.raceandhistory.com/
Isnt it funny how this one little link destroys all of the charts, graphs and pics that the filthy monkey lies to us with? You now understand why the filthy monkey continues to spam the board with photos of modern day populations that had absolutely NOTHING to do with ancient Egypt
The next time one of these degenerates tries to tell you a lie just refer the moonkey to the latest DNA analysis on the ancient Egyptians, and then tell the faggot to crawl back in its cave!
The pig just keeps showing us why these crackers should not exist! They have genetically recessive genes and ion 50 years they will be the minority in BRITAIN!! THAT ALONE SHOULD TELL YOU THAT THEY WILL EVENTUALLY DIE OUT LIKE THE UNATURAL ABOMINATIONS THAT THEY ARE!
Look at the low IQ monkey with its charts and pictures LOL tHE dna analysis does not matter to this monkey, because it lives in a world of fantasy! lol
Folks, the monkey performs at my commend. I am this monkeys master!But then again all one needs to do is take a cursury look at this monkeys youtube page to understand the tenuous grip on reality that this monkey has! LOL http://www.youtube.com/user/phoenician7
When the DNA analysis irrefutably shows that the modern day populations of South Africa, West Africa anmd central Africa are the ancestors of the ancient Egyptians what does a low IQ monkey do???
The low IQ monkey shows pictures and charts and munbles on and on about haplogroups while completely ignoring what the DNA analysis of the ancient Egyptians actually says LOL
the DNA analysis irrefutably shows that the modern day populations of South Africa, West Africa anmd central Africa are the ancestors of the ancient Egyptians. Thats what the DNA says, thats what the science says. This monkey in all of its fake names is very pathetic isnt it?
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Vansertimavindicated - I really don't appreciate you demonstrating your deranged mind on this, a most serious thread.
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quote:Originally posted by Mike111: ^The religious people say that the lord looks after Children and Fools, so perhaps that's the answer.
While doing this report, it was brought home to me once again, what a disadvantage they have us at. They control everything - all the materials of OUR history, then they want to show it to us, and tell us what it all means - generally that it's them.
I wanted to present an African skull that was the exact match for each Lerna skull, but guess what I found - there is no collection of Black skulls, and certainly not one which shows each Black phenotype. Negroes really need to get their act together. Imagine, not even having a collection of skulls which show ALL Black diversity.
Thus when some lying Albino piece of sh1t like Angel, describes skulls like 10, 193, 176, 203: as "Alpine-Mediterranean". An ignorant Negro has no way of knowing that skulls like those, belong to children like this:
BTW - The child above is Somali - they are neither Alpine nor Mediterranean.
But it does demonstrate that Ancient Greece was full of Black people, from all over the world.
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Being a deranged, racist, Albino piece of sh1t: Angel undoubtedly carefully chose to display only skulls, that to the pedestrian eye, might appear Albino.
That is proven by the fact that no skulls like these - which are unmistakeably Black, and plentiful in the area - were not displayed.
a skull from Mike's realhistoryww.com that Mike intentionally left out in this thread _____
now compare in particular the shapes of the nasal opening to the Caucasian skull he did show in this thread: _____
now simply apply what you have learned from Mike's website to the Lerna skulls
Another thing that Mike intetionally leaves out on his website is a profile view of the Human Male African Skull. He only shows the profile view of the Human Male European skull
now compare the above skull to the below skull:
^^^ well what do we have here ???
fooled you it's another Caucasian skull. it's just in a sitting on a table and that creates a slight angle as to how it's placed and the jaw appears to stick out more
BUT WHY DOESN'T MIKE111 SHOW THE PROFILE VIEW OF THE MALE AFRICAN SKULL ???
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Then how did all these places turn white? That is your confounding variable to which you give no account in this convoluted theory of yours.
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quote:Originally posted by facts: Then how did all these places turn white? That is your confounding variable to which you give no account in this convoluted theory of yours.
facts - Sorry: Damn you're gullible.
What, Blacks only have ONE phenotype?
Why do you suppose I included the other African skulls?
And that was only a small sample, which I lamented about in a post above. What, you can't read either?
I sure hope that you're an Albino, heaven knows, we already have enough gullible Negroes.
Lioness is to be laughed at, not argued with!
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____________^^^^ note the bridge of the nose at the very top of it, a little inner scooping shape. Often this delicate thin area is broken off in varying degrees in damaged skulls but here it is relatively intact
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I would describe Mike as layman in training when it comes to Craniometry
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dont be a shmuck. In Africa we see a variety yet how come the white pheonotype prevails in those places not considered indigenous places of Negroes?
quote:Originally posted by Mike111:
quote:Originally posted by facts: Then how did all these places turn white? That is your confounding variable to which you give no account in this convoluted theory of yours.
facts - Sorry: Damn you're gullible.
What, Blacks only have ONE phenotype?
Why do you suppose I included the other African skulls?
And that was only a small sample, which I lamented about in a post above. What, you can't read either?
I sure hope that you're an Albino, heaven knows, we already have enough gullible Negroes.
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^There is no place on Earth NOT indigenous to Blacks.
I suggest that you do some reading before going on, and making a fool of yourself.
BTW - if you insist on pursuing such nonsense, please bring specifics as to WHERE Blacks are not indigenous.
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Not surprising. Lots of data show links with tropical Africans. Your "albinos" are themselves a mongrel breed if race percent approaches are applied across the board.
Such controversies also offer good insight into EUrocentric hypocrisy- which ES has often exposed. Gene frequencies are sometimes touted as "racial" markers- i.e. high frequencies of certain genes in "Eurasian" areas enables the population to be labeled as "EUrasian." But the same method is, curiously, too often, not applied when African gene data is involved. Hence high frequencies of certain genes in Africa do not earn them the "African" label when there are overlaps into Europe and the so-called "Middle East". Many who speak expansively of "mixed races" in Africa suddenly maintain a mysterious silence when the concept is extended into EUrope. Suddenly numerous sub-divisions, obfuscations and "qualifications" enter the labeling picture - the standard modus operandi of Euro-centric hypocrisy and double standards.
1-- Villena's Greek-Macedonian-African study has nothing to do with the Jew-Palestinian controversy. The study was withdrawn for political reasons, and offended sensibilities of various Jewish and other groups. Assorted "biodiversity" types try to use that to advance a bogus claim that the Greek data was "withdrawn." Total BS. It is alive and well and appears specifically in Vilenna's Greek study: HLA genes in Macedonians and the sub-Saharan origin of the Greeks Tissue Antigens 2001: 57: 118–127 Jewish - Palestinian controversies have nothing to do with it.
2-- The Palestinian study also notes that Greeks are related to Africans via cystic fibrosis mutations.
3-- It is true that the data being used is highly variable HLA genes. However the presence of Japanese clustering with south Africans is not as far fetched as it seems. HLA genes are useful in analyzing certain arthritis conditions. There is hard medical data in various HLA studies that indeed show Japanese and south African blacks grouping together in relation to arthritis conditions. See the data below.
4-- Anthro/Archaeo data show the presence of African traits (and remember Africans have a wide variety of traits) in the Neolithic data. The full info has already been posted but here is some anthro/archaeo data affirming the presence of "negroid" traits from early times: quote: "The female of forty-plus years of age from Grave 2 was examined by J. L. Angel who noted what he interpreted as a number of 'negroid' .. traits in the face." The skull is fairly complete, but not enough so for discriminant function analysis." There is marked maxillary prognathism and the orbits may be described as rectangular, traits frequently used in forensic diagnosis of Negro crania... " -- Skeletons of Lerna Hollow. Al B. Wesolowsky. Hesperia, Vol. 42, No. 3. (Jul. - Sep., 1973), pp. 340-351.
"Early Neolithic Macedonia centered on a Dinaric-Mediterranean (type F) average but with an extremely broad nose, more prognathism, and a little more mouth tilt than expected (all, perhaps from negroid development of the incisor region.." -- The people of Lerna: analysis of a prehistoric Aegean population. J.L Angel 1971
"The portrayal on the 'minature fresco' from Thera, and on the other, very fragmentary Aegean frescoes, of diverse stylistic elements- flora a nd fauna, 'negroid' human representations, the riverine setting, of the 'minature fresco,' etc- that seem to be north African, 'Libyan' or Egyptian in origin." --The Aegean and the Orient in the second millennium: proceedings of the 50th anniversary symposium, Cincinnati, 18-20 April 1997
"The inhabitants of the Aegean area in the Bronze Age may have been much like many people in the Mediterranean basin today, short and slight of build with dark hair and eyes and sallow complexions. Skeletons show that the population of the Aegean was already mixed by Neolithic times, and various facial types, some with delicate features and pointed noses, others pug-nosed, almost negroid, are depicted in wall paintings from the 16th century BC..." -- The Home of the Heroes: The Aegean Before the Greeks (1967)
------------------ Scholars also link the Negroid elements to sickle-cell anemia------- QUOTE: "The female from Grave 2 is among those with thickened parietals. It should be pointed out that maxillary prognathsm, one of the skeleton's "Negroid" features, is characteristic both of thalassemia and sickle-cell anemia." -- Skeletons of Lerna Hollow. Al B. Wesolowsky. Hesperia, Vol. 42, No. 3. (Jul. - Sep., 1973), pp. 340-351.
5-- Other elements like Benin Sickle Cell traits are also found among the Greeks and various Africans and some skeletal/cranial studies find African elements in Greece (Angel 1972 for example) QUOTE:
"A late Pleistocene-early Holocene northward migration (from Africa to the Levant and to Anatolia) of these populations has been hypothesized from skeletal data (Angel 1972, 1973; Brace 2005) and from archaeological data, as indicated by the probable Nile Valley origin of the "Mesolithic" (epi-Paleolithic) Mushabi culture found in the Levant (Bar Yosef 1987). This migration finds some support in the presence in Mediterranean populations (Sicily, Greece, southern Turkey, etc.; Patrinos et al.; Schiliro et al. 1990) of the Benin sickle cell haplotype. This haplotype originated in West Africa and is probably associated with the spread of malaria to southern Europe through an eastern Mediterranean route (Salares et al. 2004) following the expansion of both human and mosquito populations brought about by the advent of the Neolithic transition (Hume et al 2003; Joy et al. 2003; Rich et al 1998). This northward migration of northeastern African populations carrying sub-Saharan biological elements is concordant with the morphological homogeneity of the Natufian populations (Bocquentin 2003), which present morphological affinity with sub-Saharan populations (Angel 1972; Brace et al. 2005). In addition, the Neolithic revolution was assumed to arise in the late Pleistocene Natufians and subsequently spread into Anatolia and Europe (Bar-Yosef 2002), and the first Anatolian farmers, Neolithic to Bronze Age Mediterraneans and to some degree other Neolithic-Bronze Age Europeans, show morphological affinities with the Natufians (and indirectly with sub-Saharan populations; Angel 1972; Brace et al 2005), in concordance with a process of demic diffusion accompanying the extension of the Neolithic revolution (Cavalli-Sforza et al. 1994)."
-- F. X. Ricaut, M. Waelkens. (2008). Cranial Discrete Traits in a Byzantine Population and Eastern Mediterranean Population Movements Human Biology - Volume 80, Number 5, October 2008, pp. 535-564
6-- Other cultural/archaeo data testify to the African presence, africans again having a wde range of features
QUOTES "THE FORERUNNERS During the Early Minoan period the population of southern Crete may have included a Negroid element. The presence of such an element from Libya in the Cretan population has been argued on the basis of an inlay of shell now in the Ashmolean Museum. This inlay may have come from an early circular tomb at Ayios Onouphrios. It depects a bearded face, with thick lips and snub nose. Other objects might lead to the same observaton for later periods. Among the faiences showing house fronts (Middle Minoan II)15 there is one in which are seen the prow of a ship and swarthy, prognathous, clearly Negroid people, some steatopygic... It is uncertain, however, what role to assign to the non-Minoan figures in this scene, which it has been suggested, may represent the represent the siege of a seacoast town. Scholars are in greater agreement with respect to their interpretations of the coal black spearmen who appear in a fragment of a fresco, which Evans called The Captain of the Blacks, belonging to Late Minoan 145 II.18 The fresco depicts a Minoan captain, wearing a yellow kilt and a horned cap of skin, who leads, at the double, a file of black men similarly dressed." -- The image of the Black in Western art: Volume 4, Part 1 Jean Vercoutter, Ladislas Bugner, Jean Devisse. 1976
"The Theran is a young man whose black wavy hairm rather thick lips, and nose with reduced platyrrniny are clearly shown. Although he acknowledges that these traits suggest a NEgrito or Nubian, Marinatos avoids precise anthropological definition and concludes that the characteristics seem to indicate an "African".
"An intrepretation of NEgroes in Crete and Pylos as soldiers would have some support in the example of Egypt, with its long tradition of Nubian mercenaries. A striking example, belonging somewhat earlier period that that of the Minoan Captain of the Blacks fresco, is provided by the wooden models of forthy black archers in Cairo, found in a tomb of a prince of Assiut." pg 138
L. Bertholon and E. Chantre have analyzed results of black-white crossings in their detailed anthropoligical study of ancient and modern Tripolitiana, Tunisia, and Algeria. They call attention to the degrees of Negro admixture as evidenced by the extent to which Negroid features appear in mixed North African peoples. R. Bartoccini in his study of the somatic characteristics of anciet Libyans, illustrates his observations on racial crossings between Libyans and Negroes from the interior by pointing to the Negroid nose (broad) and hair (curly or wooly) .."
"Some of the physical features of this type are: dark or black color expressed in a variety of ways, tightly curled platyrrhine nose, and thick, often everted lips. '
"In a scene on a red-figured calyx-krater of the peropd from Canicattoni, now in Syracuse, a female dancer, fully draped, stands on tiptoe. The treatment of the nose, the lips and the tightly curled hair indicates that Negroid features were intended.. the realism and anthropological fidelity of those cited above leave no doubt as to the artists' intent.." pg 171 -- The image of the Black in Western art: Volume 4, Part 1 Jean Vercoutter, Ladislas Bugner, Jean Devisse. 1976
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7.. ADDITIONAL DATA: AFRICAN HAPLOGROUP E FOUND IN GREEKS
QUOTE: "Underhill et al. (2001) showed that the frequency of the YAP+ Y haplogroup commonly referred to as haplogroup E or (III) is relatively high (about 25%) in the Middle East and Mediterranean. This haplogroup E is the major haplogroup found in sub-Saharan Africa (over 75% of all Y chromosomes). SPecifically, Europeans contain the E3b subhaplogroup, which was derived from haplogroup E in sub-Saharan Africa and currently is distributed along the North and East of Africa.. It appears that the 171 AIM test subject of this chapter may recognize the haplogroup E character as West African."
--T. Frudakis. 2006. Molecular photofitting: predicting ancestry and phenotype using DNA Well according to genetic analyses the Greeks are close to 1/4th black carrying 23% African paternal lineages.
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fooled you it's another Caucasian skull. it's just in a sitting on a table and that creates a slight angle as to how it's placed and the jaw appears to stick out more
where is this skull from? wherever its from it's not caucasian.
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This thread is a perfect example of Afrocentrics posting something they don't have a clue about.
Dental over-bite is not aveolar prognathism. The latter is the projection of the aveolar sockets and ridges, not tooth malocclusion. The vast majority of Caucasoids have small over-bite by 3mm - 5 mm.
Diet modifies dental occlusion. So Caucasoids have modified their teeth, as unlike other races (Australoids) they aren't eating primitive food -which requires flat grinding surface (edge to edge bite as opposed to overbite).
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^Lion - Interesting thing about prognathism, I could never figure out why Albinos seems to be obsessed with equating it with Blacks, when in fact, Albinos have just as high a frequency of it as Blacks. As shown by Lioness, that August institution of American racism - the Smithsonian - has made it a definition of Black phenotype.
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Then it came to me:
CHARLES V:
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Mike, Caucasoids are not prognathic. You and Ironlion have confused prognathism with overbite.
Dental malocclusion is not prognathism.
You guys are both retards who don't know the basics, but then have the ignorance to create a thread as if you actually know something about craniometry or cephalometry.
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quote:Originally posted by Anglo_Pyramidologist: Mike, Caucasoids are not prognathic. You and Ironlion have confused prognathism with overbite.
Dental malocclusion is not prognathism.
You guys are both retards who don't know the basics, but then have the ignorance to create a thread as if you actually know something about craniometry or cephalometry.
Anglo-Hyper-idiot,
Time for some Reading Lessons! See below:
quote:One or more types of prognathism may result in the common condition of malocclusion (including overbite), in which an individual's top teeth and lower teeth do not align properly.
quote:Originally posted by Mike111: ^On the issue of Charles V.
Why was his portrait, and his alone, spared?
What was there about him, that prevented the Albinos from destroying or changing his image, as they had the images of all other Black rulers?
One day we will know, but right now, I have no clue.
Yes indeed, it is still an unknown but as you can see they hide the identity of that painting for hundreds of years....
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As many of you have already figured out, this entire board consists of ONE sick degenerate that has created ficticious names to talk to itself in. Just a few of these fake names include CLYDE WINTERS, MIKE111,Egmond Codfried, Djehuti, NAMERTHOTH and THE LIONESS. These are just a FEW of the fake names that spend all day talking to itself because the ENTIRE site is comprised of this same ONE sick degenerate that has created fake names to talk to itself ALL DAY LONG! The only REAL and legitimate poster on this site is MYSELF and the rest cannot be trusted! DO NOT CLICK ON ANY OF THE LINKS OR BANNERS ON THIS SITE, unless they are links that I provide for you! There is NOONE on this site that can be trusted but me. The only links on this site that can be trusted are the ones that I provide for you! Here is a link that you can use as a resource and can be trusted! http://www.raceandhistory.com/
When you have finished reading this post check out this site to learn the truth about history and ALL civilzations. Do NOT be fooled by the real history link that the filthy monkey created using the race and history link as a guide. This is the ONLY site that can be trusted http://www.raceandhistory.com/
Isnt it funny how this one little link destroys all of the charts, graphs and pics that the filthy monkey lies to us with? You now understand why the filthy monkey continues to spam the board with photos of modern day populations that had absolutely NOTHING to do with ancient Egypt
The next time one of these degenerates tries to tell you a lie just refer the moonkey to the latest DNA analysis on the ancient Egyptians, and then tell the faggot to crawl back in its cave!
The pig just keeps showing us why these crackers should not exist! They have genetically recessive genes and ion 50 years they will be the minority in BRITAIN!! THAT ALONE SHOULD TELL YOU THAT THEY WILL EVENTUALLY DIE OUT LIKE THE UNATURAL ABOMINATIONS THAT THEY ARE!
Look at the low IQ monkey with its charts and pictures LOL tHE dna analysis does not matter to this monkey, because it lives in a world of fantasy! lol
Folks, the monkey performs at my commend. I am this monkeys master!But then again all one needs to do is take a cursury look at this monkeys youtube page to understand the tenuous grip on reality that this monkey has! LOL http://www.youtube.com/user/phoenician7
When the DNA analysis irrefutably shows that the modern day populations of South Africa, West Africa anmd central Africa are the ancestors of the ancient Egyptians what does a low IQ monkey do???
The low IQ monkey shows pictures and charts and munbles on and on about haplogroups while completely ignoring what the DNA analysis of the ancient Egyptians actually says LOL
the DNA analysis irrefutably shows that the modern day populations of South Africa, West Africa anmd central Africa are the ancestors of the ancient Egyptians. Thats what the DNA says, thats what the science says. This monkey in all of its fake names is very pathetic isnt it?
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As many of you have already figured out, this entire board consists of ONE sick degenerate that has created ficticious names to talk to itself in. Just a few of these fake names include CLYDE WINTERS, MIKE111,Egmond Codfried, Djehuti, NAMERTHOTH and THE LIONESS. These are just a FEW of the fake names that spend all day talking to itself because the ENTIRE site is comprised of this same ONE sick degenerate that has created fake names to talk to itself ALL DAY LONG! The only REAL and legitimate poster on this site is MYSELF and the rest cannot be trusted! DO NOT CLICK ON ANY OF THE LINKS OR BANNERS ON THIS SITE, unless they are links that I provide for you! There is NOONE on this site that can be trusted but me. The only links on this site that can be trusted are the ones that I provide for you! Here is a link that you can use as a resource and can be trusted! http://www.raceandhistory.com/
When you have finished reading this post check out this site to learn the truth about history and ALL civilzations. Do NOT be fooled by the real history link that the filthy monkey created using the race and history link as a guide. This is the ONLY site that can be trusted http://www.raceandhistory.com/
Isnt it funny how this one little link destroys all of the charts, graphs and pics that the filthy monkey lies to us with? You now understand why the filthy monkey continues to spam the board with photos of modern day populations that had absolutely NOTHING to do with ancient Egypt
The next time one of these degenerates tries to tell you a lie just refer the moonkey to the latest DNA analysis on the ancient Egyptians, and then tell the faggot to crawl back in its cave!
The pig just keeps showing us why these crackers should not exist! They have genetically recessive genes and ion 50 years they will be the minority in BRITAIN!! THAT ALONE SHOULD TELL YOU THAT THEY WILL EVENTUALLY DIE OUT LIKE THE UNATURAL ABOMINATIONS THAT THEY ARE!
Look at the low IQ monkey with its charts and pictures LOL tHE dna analysis does not matter to this monkey, because it lives in a world of fantasy! lol
Folks, the monkey performs at my commend. I am this monkeys master!But then again all one needs to do is take a cursury look at this monkeys youtube page to understand the tenuous grip on reality that this monkey has! LOL http://www.youtube.com/user/phoenician7
When the DNA analysis irrefutably shows that the modern day populations of South Africa, West Africa anmd central Africa are the ancestors of the ancient Egyptians what does a low IQ monkey do???
The low IQ monkey shows pictures and charts and munbles on and on about haplogroups while completely ignoring what the DNA analysis of the ancient Egyptians actually says LOL
the DNA analysis irrefutably shows that the modern day populations of South Africa, West Africa anmd central Africa are the ancestors of the ancient Egyptians. Thats what the DNA says, thats what the science says. This monkey in all of its fake names is very pathetic isnt it?
Mike the major problem some people have in understanding that the historic ancient Europeans were Black is because they don’t have the knowledge base to comprehend this reality. I recommend those of you interested in understanding the archaeology of Blacks/Africans in Europe read : Nicolas Lahovary, Dravidian origins and the West: newly discovered ties with the ancient culture and languages, including Basque, of the pre-Indo-European Mediterranean world.
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@ Mike. Fist thump double tap!! Just saw the thread.
Buy the book for one of many reasons, Bro. As you can see the book and books like these are really valueable for research. Ignore the BS. You know these white people are good at lying and trickery. But the pictures and records are what you use the book for..... like you did!
Trying reading some of the work of Pickering's when he travelled throughout the world and documented what he saw around the early 1800's. Ignoring some of his BSing what he saw is and eye opener to me. According him to some south African groups are orthognamous.
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quote:Originally posted by Mike111: zarahan- aka Enrique Cardova - I think you miss the point.
It's NOT that Greeks were MIXED with Africans.
It's that Greeks WERE Africans!
^^That may be so in a very broad sense, sure. All humans on today's planet derive from African forbears. All I am saying is that if some people want to talk about "Race mixes" in Africa, then they must likewise confront the reality of their own race model- that whites themselves are a mixed mongrel race.
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quote:Originally posted by zarahan- aka Enrique Cardova:
quote:Originally posted by Mike111: zarahan- aka Enrique Cardova - I think you miss the point.
It's NOT that Greeks were MIXED with Africans.
It's that Greeks WERE Africans!
^^That may be so in a very broad sense, sure. All humans on today's planet derive from African forbears. All I am saying is that if some people want to talk about "Race mixes" in Africa, then they must likewise confront the reality of their own race model- that whites themselves are a mixed mongrel race.
In the broad sense?
You seem non-committal on Africans being the original settlers of Europe, and specifically Greeks being Africans.
I wonder then how you envision Albinos being a mongrel race.
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fooled you it's another Caucasian skull. it's just in a sitting on a table and that creates a slight angle as to how it's placed and the jaw appears to stick out more
where is this skull from? wherever its from it's not caucasian.
here, I'll rotate the very same above skull to a more natural position and it magically turns Caucasian, below:
keep in mind the above person has an overbite which is common
However each of the below skull illustrations, European and African do not have overbites:
Archaeological excavations at Kerma (Sudan) 2008-2009 season. Between 2500 and 2400 BC (has overbite)
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One should be sure to note a difference between regular overbite and alveolar prognathism. Prognathism has long been identified by Eurocentrics as a "negroid" trait but when it is found outside Sub-Sahara and especially in Europe it then becomes "overbite".
From P.K. Manansala Harris and Wente note the prevalence of dental prognathism among Nubians. Often this is combined with malocclusion. Similar incidence can be found in other African peoples. For example, one study found that a sample taken from the Kenya showed 61.3% of Maasai had diastema; 84% of Kikuyu had overbite and 99% had overjet; and 24% of Kalenjin had anterior open bite. (J. Hassanali, GP Pokhariyal, "Anterior tooth relations in Kenyan Africans, Archives of Oral Biology 38 [Apr 1993] 337-42). Although these dental traits can often be acquired through habits like thumb-sucking, as noted by Harris and Wente, the high frequency in the royal mummies indicates a genetic origin as found in Africans.
Studies have shown that persons of African descent tend to have greater projection of the alveolar region as compared to the lower mouth. The difference in projection measured as ANB (A point-nasion-B point) and research on persons of African descent has shown ranges from 5.5 to 4.3. In comparison with Caucasians, the values were from about 1.5 to 2 times greater (see Alexander et al., 1978; Downs,1948; Fonseca et al.,1978; Steiner, 1959).
The same can be said for other "negroid" features like broad noses or hyper-dolichocephaly.
Getting back to the topic, Mike brings up a valid point about the remains of Lerna which were discussed before in severalotherthreads.
"The female of forty-plus years of age from Grave 2 was examined by J. L. Angel who noted what he interpreted as a number of 'negroid' (not full negro)traits in the face." lo The skull is fairly complete, but not enough so for discriminant function analysis." There is marked maxillary prognathism and the orbits may be described as rectangular, traits frequently used in forensic diagnosis of Negro crania. Despite the presence of these traits, we must recall that we are quite ignorant of the range of variation in cranial morphology among the Late Roman Corinthians. Consequently, attempts to identify the race of a single skull (one of only three preserved from the Lerna Hollow collection) are on unsure grounds. The features of this skull may, after all, be within the range of variation for the (presumably) Caucasoid population of Corinth at this time.''
The Skeletons of Lerna Hollow Al B. Wesolowsky Hesperia, Vol. 42, No. 3. (Jul. - Sep., 1973), pp. 340-351.
As others have pointed out, note how the author in the passage above tries to make excuses by saying they are ignorant of the range of variation among ancient Europeans! LOL Too bad for her that we have the DNA evidence to back it up! Can anyone say E1b1b?
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Prognathism is easily detectable with a pencil - from the base of your nasal aperature hold the pencil downwards towards your chin.
If the pencil touches your chin - you are orthognathic and Caucasoid.
Prognathism is not overbite. Mike, Ironlion and now Djehuti are making this same mistake.
People with overbite, can PASS the pencil test.
Dental malocclusion is not the same as prognathism. As i already explained:
quote:Dental over-bite is not aveolar prognathism. The latter is the projection of the aveolar sockets and ridges, not tooth malocclusion. The vast majority of Caucasoids have small over-bite by 3mm - 5 mm.
Diet modifies dental occlusion. So Caucasoids have modified their teeth, as unlike other races (Australoids) they aren't eating primitive food -which requires flat grinding surface (edge to edge bite as opposed to overbite).
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