quote:the Nordid element was introduced though admixture with the Libyans of the western delta.
What did I just tell your incredibly dumb ass? What does blond hair necessarily have to do with Europeans, let alone ''Nordids''. How the phuck do Nordids come into the picture, let alone an entire ''Nordid'' elite?
Start explaining your dumb nonsensical self, and make it quick, will ya?
Fair (blonde) hair is a diagnostic Nordid trait. A limited tawny shade of blonde evolved independently in Australo-Melanesians (Australids and Melanesids), but quite obviously biogeography rules them out from having a presence in Africa.
The blonde or fair types in North Africa are undisputable evidence of Nordids. This has been accepted by most anthropologists, and they arrived during the Neolithic. You do not find blonde hair on these Nordid types alone, but the full range of depigmentation - white or pinkish skin and blue eyes. Coon (1965) shows how these features appear in the Berber Rif, up to 85% in some tribes. These people are obviously Caucasoids of the Nordid type.
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^ Exactly what evidence do you have that blonde hair ever occurred naturally among North Africans??
quote:Originally posted by the lyinass: there are numerous non-Africans with dark skin.
Stupid strawman. Nobody said otherwise. My response was to your claim that southern Euros and Turks had "chocolate" complexions. Yet you failed to provide examples of such, no doubt because such does not exist.
quote:the Egyptians had a diversity of skin tones, not just "chocolate" and Troll Patty is backing me on this
Another strawman. Of course Egyptians has a diversity of tones but ALL are in the range of what we call 'black'. And Troll Patrol NEVER backs up trolls like YOUR dumb lyingass. Posts: 26238 | From: Atlanta, Georgia, USA | Registered: Feb 2005
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For example, short mitochondrial DNA sequences have been recovered from the remains of a liver found in a canopic jar belonging to Nekht-Ankh, a priest of the Middle Kingdom.77 These sequences when compared to the sequences recovered from the Delta population (Lower Egypt), it were found to be identical to four of the modern Egyptian mitochondrial lineages. Preliminary results from PCR on the Nile Delta population in the late 1980s found that “small subsets of modern Egyptian mitochondrial DNA lineages are closely related to Sub-Saharan African lineages.”..
Now read it and b*tch if you want but b*tch about the results!
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quote:Originally posted by Djehuti: ^ Exactly what evidence do you have that blonde hair ever occurred naturally among North Africans??
quote:Originally posted by the lyinass: there are numerous non-Africans with dark skin.
Stupid strawman. Nobody said otherwise. My response was to your claim that southern Euros and Turks had "chocolate" complexions. Yet you failed to provide examples of such, no doubt because such does not exist.
quote:the Egyptians had a diversity of skin tones, not just "chocolate" and Troll Patty is backing me on this
Another strawman. Of course Egyptians has a diversity of tones but ALL are in the range of what we call 'black'. And Troll Patrol NEVER backs up trolls like YOUR dumb lyingass.
this man is closer to "chocolate"
than this man
who is closer to this Turk in complexion than the Indian man
don't make me waste my time taking photoshop color samples enlargements and proving it.
you are the one that brings up "chocolate" all the time, some kind "negro" in quotes yardstick for you, the implication that all Egyptians were "chocolate"
"chocolate", a red herring stereotype that you are always trying to project
quote:the Nordid element was introduced though admixture with the Libyans of the western delta.
What did I just tell your incredibly dumb ass? What does blond hair necessarily have to do with Europeans, let alone ''Nordids''. How the phuck do Nordids come into the picture, let alone an entire ''Nordid'' elite?
Start explaining your dumb nonsensical self, and make it quick, will ya?
Fair (blonde) hair is a diagnostic Nordid trait.
Stop lying ho'. Blonde hair was found all over the Middle East and Central Asia, especially among the Scythians. These people have are indigenous to Asia, and have little direct connections with Nordic people.
So again, where is your evidence that ancient Egyptian blond hair can be recklessly equated with North Western Europeans, and **where** are images of complete ''Nordid'' elite families in ancient Egypt? By linking Hetepheres to Libyans, you're only proving my point that all you do is posting isolated individuals.
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quote:Originally posted by the lioness: this man is closer to "chocolate"
than this man
who is closer to this Turk in complexion than the Indian man
don't make me waste my time taking photoshop color samples enlargements and proving it.
you are the one that brings up "chocolate" all the time, some kind "negro" in quotes yardstick for you, the implication that all Egyptians were "chocolate"
"chocolate", a red herring stereotype that you are always trying to project
here have some
First, the Egyptian sculpture's paint has obviously faded over the millennia. Secondly, the Turkish guy looks more yellow-brown than chocolate to my eyes. Thirdly, no one has denied that many Indians have dark skin similar to Africans. That doesn't change the fact that most people would label chocolate-brown Africans Black even if they don't apply the same label to Indians.
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quote:Originally posted by Swenet: Those models certainly have more African ancestry than Egyptians elites, whether modern or ancient, have/had ''Nordid'' ancestry.
Where are the Nordid males in this family? [/QB]
That was funny.
Although bananas have been cultivated as a food for 4,000 - 10,000 years in tropical areas, Europeans were not aware of the fruit until they started exploring the world during the Age of Discovery in the 1500s. LOOOOOOL
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^^^^^ look at this Truthcentic and Djehuti the resident black militants trying to promote a chocolate test
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Truthcentric, the Louvre Museum says the Seated Scribe was coated in wax by the Egyptians and this wax had accumlated dirt over the centuries and that they removed the dirty wax?
Ot do you believe what Djehuti believes that the sculpture was originally chocolate brown and the Louvre is lying, there was no layer of wax it was chocolate brown paint intentionally removed by the Louvre in order to make the Seated Scribe look lighter?
-they just forgot to remove some of the chocolate brown paint on the legs, those French are sloppy
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quote:Originally posted by Djehuti: ^ Exactly what evidence do you have that blonde hair ever occurred naturally among North Africans??
quote:Originally posted by the lyinass: there are numerous non-Africans with dark skin.
Stupid strawman. Nobody said otherwise. My response was to your claim that southern Euros and Turks had "chocolate" complexions. Yet you failed to provide examples of such, no doubt because such does not exist.
quote:the Egyptians had a diversity of skin tones, not just "chocolate" and Troll Patty is backing me on this
Another strawman. Of course Egyptians has a diversity of tones but ALL are in the range of what we call 'black'. And Troll Patrol NEVER backs up trolls like YOUR dumb lyingass.
this man is closer to "chocolate"
than this man
who is closer to this Turk in complexion than the Indian man
don't make me waste my time taking photoshop color samples enlargements and proving it.
you are the one that brings up "chocolate" all the time, some kind "negro" in quotes yardstick for you, the implication that all Egyptians were "chocolate"
"chocolate", a red herring stereotype that you are always trying to project
here have some
Origins of dental crowding and malocclusions: an anthropological perspective.
Rose JC, Roblee RD.PT Compend Contin Educ Dent. 2009 Jun;30(5):292-300.
The study of ancient Egyptian skeletons from Amarna, Egypt reveals extensive tooth wear but very little dental crowding, unlike in modern Americans. In the early 20th century, Percy Raymond Begg focused his research on extreme tooth wear coincident with traditional diets to justify teeth removal during orthodontic treatment. Anthropologists studying skeletons that were excavated along the Nile Valley in Egypt and the Sudan have demonstrated reductions in tooth size and changes in the face, including decreased robustness associated with the development of agriculture, but without any increase in the frequency of dental crowding and malocclusion. For thousands of years, facial and dental reduction stayed in step, more or less. These analyses suggest it was not the reduction in tooth wear that increased crowding and malocclusion, but rather the tremendous reduction in the forces of mastication, which produced this extreme tooth wear and the subsequent reduced jaw involvement. Thus, as modern food preparation techniques spread throughout the world during the 19th century, so did dental crowding. This research provides support for the development of orthodontic therapies that increase jaw dimensions rather than the use of tooth removal to relieve crowding.
"Despite the difference, Gebel Ramlah [the Western Desert- Saharan region] is closest to predynastic and early dynastic samples from Abydos, Hierakonpolis, and Badari.."
...the Badarians were a "good representative of what the common ancestor to all later predynastic and dynastic Egyptian peoples would be like"
"A comparison of Badari to the Naqada and Hierakonpolis samples .. contradicts the idea of a foreign origin for the Naqada (Petrie, 1939; Baumgartel, 1970)"
Evidence in favor of continuity is also demonstrated by comparison of individual samples. "Naqada and especially Hierakonpolis share close affinities with First-Second Dynasty Abydos.. These findings do not support the concept of a foreign dynastic ''race''"
"Thus, despite increasing foreign influence after the Second Intermediate Period, not only did Egyptian culture remain intact (Lloyd, 2000a), but the people themselves, as represented by the dental samples, appear biologically constant as well."
(Joel D. Irish (2006). Who Were the Ancient Egyptians? Dental Affinities Among Neolithic Through Postdynastic Peoples. Am J Phys Anthropol. 2006 Apr;129(4):529-43.)
Africans have the highest dental diversity "Previous research by the first author revealed that, relative to other modern peoples, sub-Saharan Africans exhibit the highest frequencies of ancestral (or plesiomorphic) dental traits... The fact that sub-Saharan Africans express these apparently plesiomorphic characters, along with additional information on their affinity to other modern populations, evident intra-population heterogeneity, and a world-wide dental cline emanating from the sub-continent, provides further evidence that is consistent with an African origin model." (Irish JD, Guatelli-Steinberg D.(2003) Ancient teeth and modern human origins: an expanded comparison of African Plio-Pleistocene and recent world dental samples. Hum Evol. 2003 Aug;45(2):113-44.)
The pattern is always the same. Moving from the South up to the North.
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quote:Originally posted by Narmerthoth: Shaddup freakazoid and apologize, you ig'nate ingrate!
kiss my dark chocolate, melanin packed ass
lol at this trickery!
I got next,
AMERICAN JOURNAL OF PHYSICAL ANTHROPOLOGY 121:219–229 (2003)
Variation in Ancient Egyptian Stature and Body Proportions Sonia R. Zakrzewski*
Department of Archaeology, University of Southampton, Southampton SO17 1BF, UK
'The ancient Egyptians have been described as having a “ Negroid” body plan (Robins, 1983).
Variations in the proximal to distal segments of each limb were therefore examined. Of the ratios considered, only maximum humerus length to maximum ulna length (XLH/XLU) showed statistically significant change through time.
This change was a relative decrease in the length of the humerus as compared with the ulna, suggesting the development of an increasingly African body plan with time.
This may also be the result of Nubian mercenaries being included in the sample from Gebelein.
The nature of the body plan was also investigated by comparing the intermembral, brachial, and crural indices for these samples with values obtained from the literature. No significant differences were found in either index through time for either sex. The raw values in Table 6 suggest that Egyptians had the “super-Negroid” body plan described by Robins (1983). The values for the brachial and crural indices show that the distal segments of each limb are longer relative to the proximal segments than in many “African” populations (data from Aiello and Dean, 1990). This pattern is supported by Figure 7 (a plot of population mean femoral and tibial lengths; data from Ruff, 1994), which indicates that the Egyptians generally have tropical body plans. Of the Egyptian samples, only the Badarian and Early Dynastic period populations have shorter tibiae than predicted from femoral length. Despite these differences, all samples lie relatively clustered together as compared to the other populations.'
Determination of optimal rehydration, fixation and staining methods for histological and "immunohistochemical analysis of mummified soft tissues"
A-M Mekota1, M Vermehren Department of Biology I, Biodiversity Research/Anthropology1and Department of Veterinary Anatomy II2, Ludwig-Maximilians University Munich, Germany Submitted January 8, 2002; revised May 4, 2004; accepted August 12, 2004
Abstract
During an excavation headed by the German Institute for Archaeology, Cairo, at the tombs of the nobles in Thebes-West, Upper Egypt, three types of tissues from different mummies were sampled to compare 13 well known rehydration methods for mummified tissue with three newly developed methods. Furthermore, three fixatives were tested with each of the rehydration fluids.
Meniscus (fibrocartilage), skin, and a placenta were used for this study. The rehydration and fixation procedures were uniform for all methods.
Materials and methods
In 1997, the German Institute for Archaeology headed an excavation of the tombs of the nobles in Thebes-West, Upper Egypt. At this time, three types of tissues were sampled from different mummies: meniscus (fibrocartilage), skin, and placenta. Archaeological findings suggest that the mummies dated from the New Kingdom (approxi- mately 1550-1080 BC).
Skin
Skin sections showed particularly good tissue preservation, although cellular outlines were never distinct. Although much of the epidermis had already separated from the dermis, the remaining epidermis often was preserved well (Fig. 1).
The basal epithelial cells were packed with melanin as expected for specimens of Negroid origin. In the dermis, the hair follicles, hair, and sebaceous and sweat glands were readily apparent (Fig. 2). Blood vessels, but no red blood cells, and small peripheral nerves were identified unambiguously (Fig. 3). The subcutaneous layer showed loose connective tissue fibers attached to the dermis, and fat cell remnants were observed.
To evaluate the influence of postmortum tissue decay by micro-organisms, the samples were tested for the presence of fungi using silver staining.
Biotechnic & Histochemistry 2005, 80(1): 7Á/13
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quote:Originally posted by the lioness: Originally posted by Narmerthoth: Shaddup freakazoid and apologize, you ig'nate ingrate!
kiss my dark chocolate, melanin packed ass
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The basal epithelial cells were packed with melanin as expected for specimens of South Indian origin. Posts: 42919 | From: , | Registered: Jan 2010
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I know it's off topic but I think I'll throw up a dental article just for the hell of
-maybe people will be impressed
Origins of dental crowding and malocclusions: an anthropological perspective.
Rose JC, Roblee RD.PT
Compend Contin Educ Dent. 2009 Jun;30(5):292-300.
The study of ancient Egyptian skeletons from Amarna, Egypt reveals extensive tooth wear but very little dental crowding, unlike in modern Americans. In the early 20th century, Percy Raymond Begg focused his research on extreme tooth wear coincident with traditional diets to justify teeth removal during orthodontic treatment. Anthropologists studying skeletons that were excavated along the Nile Valley in Egypt and the Sudan have demonstrated reductions in tooth size and changes in the face, including decreased robustness associated with the development of agriculture, but without any increase in the frequency of dental crowding and malocclusion. For thousands of years, facial and dental reduction stayed in step, more or less. These analyses suggest it was not the reduction in tooth wear that increased crowding and malocclusion, but rather the tremendous reduction in the forces of mastication, which produced this extreme tooth wear and the subsequent reduced jaw involvement. Thus, as modern food preparation techniques spread throughout the world during the 19th century, so did dental crowding. This research provides support for the development of orthodontic therapies that increase jaw dimensions rather than the use of tooth removal to relieve crowding.
-"Despite the difference, Gebel Ramlah [the Western Desert- Saharan region] is closest to predynastic and early dynastic samples from Abydos, Hierakonpolis, and Badari.."
-..the Badarians were a "good representative of what the common ancestor to all later predynastic and dynastic Egyptian peoples would be like"...
-"A comparison of Badari to the Naqada and Hierakonpolis samples .. contradicts the idea of a foreign origin for the Naqada (Petrie, 1939; Baumgartel, 1970)"
-Evidence in favor of continuity is also demonstrated by comparison of individual samples. "Naqada and especially Hierakonpolis share close affinities with First-Second Dynasty Abydos..
-These findings do not support the concept of a foreign dynastic ''race''
-"Thus, despite increasing foreign influence after the Second Intermediate Period, not only did Egyptian culture remain intact (Lloyd, 2000a), but the people themselves, as represented by the dental samples, appear biologically constant as well."
(Joel D. Irish (2006). Who Were the Ancient Egyptians? Dental Affinities Among Neolithic Through Postdynastic Peoples. Am J Phys Anthropol. 2006 Apr;129(4):529-43.)
Africans have the highest dental diversity
"Previous research by the first author revealed that, relative to other modern peoples, sub-Saharan Africans exhibit the highest frequencies of ancestral (or plesiomorphic) dental traits... The fact that sub-Saharan Africans express these apparently plesiomorphic characters, along with additional information on their affinity to other modern populations, evident intra-population heterogeneity, and a world-wide dental cline emanating from the sub-continent, provides further evidence that is consistent with an African origin model." (Irish JD, Guatelli-Steinberg D.(2003) Ancient teeth and modern human origins: an expanded comparison of African Plio-Pleistocene and recent world dental samples. Hum Evol. 2003 Aug;45(2):113-44.)
The pattern is always the same. Moving from the South up to the North.
From the House of Pain productions!!!!!
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quote:the Nordid element was introduced though admixture with the Libyans of the western delta.
What did I just tell your incredibly dumb ass? What does blond hair necessarily have to do with Europeans, let alone ''Nordids''. How the phuck do Nordids come into the picture, let alone an entire ''Nordid'' elite?
Start explaining your dumb nonsensical self, and make it quick, will ya?
Fair (blonde) hair is a diagnostic Nordid trait.
Stop lying ho'. Blonde hair was found all over the Middle East and Central Asia, especially among the Scythians. These people have are indigenous to Asia, and have little direct connections with Nordic people.
So again, where is your evidence that ancient Egyptian blond hair can be recklessly equated with North Western Europeans, and **where** are images of complete ''Nordid'' elite families in ancient Egypt? By linking Hetepheres to Libyans, you're only proving my point that all you do is posting isolated individuals.
Blondism was taken into those regions by Indo-European (IE) migrants who were Nordid. The Scythians were Indo-European; Scythic language is Indo-Iranian - a branch of IE.
''Indo-European languages were, at one time, associated with a single, if composite, racial type, and that [...] racial type was an ancestral Nordic." (Coon, 1939)
The blonde Indo-Europeans migrated all through Western Asia as far east as the Tarim Basin.
Kumar (1973) and Kilian (1984) arrived at the same conclusions about Indo-Europeans as Coon: ''we are probably justified in posulating a more or less close original association [...] of the Indo-Europeans with the Nordic race''.
The blonde Libyans were not indigenous to Africa at all, but were an exogenous Nordid population who had moved there around the Neolithic, and were probably of IE derivation. The Libyans intermarried with the Egyptians and composed a large racial stock of their royalty. Hence Raymond Dart (1962) came to discover that there was a Nordic component to the ''Pharonic type''.
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quote:Originally posted by the lioness: Originally posted by Narmerthoth: Shaddup freakazoid and apologize, you ig'nate ingrate!
kiss my dark chocolate, melanin packed ass
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The basal epithelial cells were packed with melanin as expected for specimens of South Indian origin.
E-V68
Let me repeat the FACTS for you again. Northern Egyptians have mostly admixture, especially those from the Delta have more admixture and are at times completely foreign...Middle Egypt is lesser on the South is practically nil. As ENDOGAMY PLAYS A BIG ROLE WITHIN THE TRADITION AND CULTURE!!!!!! THEY ARE XENOPHOBIC!!!
The nubian mesolithic: A consideration of the Wadi Halfa remains
Meredith F. Small* et al.
quote:
Morphological variation of the skeletal remains of ancient Nubia has been traditionally explained as a product of multiple migrations into the Nile Valley. In contrast, various researchers have noted a continuity in craniofacial variation from Mesolithic through Neolithic times. This apparent continuity could be explained by in situ cultural evolution producing shifts in selective pressures which may act on teeth, the facial complex, and the cranial vault.
A series of 13 Mesolithic skulls from Wadi Halfa, Sudan, are compared to Nubian Neolithic remains by means of extended canonical analysis. Results support recent research which suggests consistent trends of facial reduction and cranial vault expansion from Mesolithic through Neolithic times.
quote: Northern Egypt near the Mediterranean shows the same pattern- limb length data puts its peoples closer to tropically adapted Africans that cold climate Europeans
"...sample populations available from northern Egypt from before the 1st Dynasty (Merimda, Maadi and Wadi Digla) turn out to be significantly different from sample populations from early Palestine and Byblos, suggesting a lack of common ancestors over a long time. If there was a south-north cline variation along the Nile valley it did not, from this limited evidence, continue smoothly on into southern Palestine.
The limb-length proportions of males from the Egyptian sites group them with Africans rather than with Europeans."
Barry Kemp, "Ancient Egypt Anatomy of a Civilisation. (2005) Routledge. p. 52-60
The burial found in the South. Of "the reality of the tropical adapted, maxillary, alveolar prognathic African with overbite." Packed with melanin specimen of African (negroid) origin. He, who died of a typical African decease, like the rest of his family members who suffered from this illness, called sickle cel!
Everything indicated a boy of African origin. Yet the racist black woman imposter, lyingass, keeps on ranting for years.looool
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quote:Originally posted by Anglo_Pyramidologist: Blondism was taken into those regions by Indo-European (IE) migrants who were Nordid.
According to what evidence?
quote:Originally posted by Anglo_Pyramidologist: ''Indo-European languages were, at one time, associated with a single, if composite, racial type, and that [...] racial type was an ancestral Nordic." (Coon, 1939)
According to what evidence?
quote:Originally posted by Anglo_Pyramidologist: The blonde Libyans were not indigenous to Africa at all, but were an exogenous Nordid population
Explain why the European genetic component of modern blonde/red haired North Africans is primarily alligned with Iberians, rather than Northwestern Europeans.
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quote:Originally posted by Anglo_Pyramidologist: Blondism was taken into those regions by Indo-European (IE) migrants who were Nordid.
According to what evidence?
quote:Originally posted by Anglo_Pyramidologist: ''Indo-European languages were, at one time, associated with a single, if composite, racial type, and that [...] racial type was an ancestral Nordic." (Coon, 1939)
According to what evidence?
quote:Originally posted by Anglo_Pyramidologist: The blonde Libyans were not indigenous to Africa at all, but were an exogenous Nordid population
Explain why the European genetic component of modern blonde/red haired North Africans is primarily alligned with Iberians, rather than Northwestern Europeans.
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Analysis of Hair Samples of Mummies from Semna South, American Journal of Physical Anthropology, (1978) 49: 277-262
As Brothwell and Spearman (‘63) point out, reddish-brown ancient hair is usually the result of partial oxidation of the melanin pigment. This color was seen in a large proportion of the Semna sample, and also noted by Titlbachova and Titlbach (‘77) on Egyptian material, where it also may have resulted from the mummification process. However, the large number of blond hairs that are not associated with the cuticular damage that bleaching produces, probably points to a significantly lighter-haired population than is now present in the Nubian region. Brothwell and Spearman (’63) noted genuinely blond ancient Egyptian samples using reflectance spectrophotometry. Blondism, especially in young children, is common in many darkhaired populations (e.g., Australian, Melanesian), and is still found in some Nubian villages (J. Zabkar, personal communication).
Only one sample (M197) showed cuticular damage and irregularities definitely consistent with bleaching, although bleaching could not be ruled out in some of the blond samples.
In the early 20th century much was made over the ancestry of Hetepheres II. A relief from the tomb of her daughter, Meresankh III, depicts the queen with blonde hair.
However, closer inspection reveals that she was not a natural blonde, but rather the owner of a unique and, we can speculate, much coveted blonde wig.
Limestone statue of Hetep-Heres II (mother) and Meres-Ankh III (daughter) from their tomb G 7530-7540 at Giza, dating to the 4th Dynasty. Paired statues of mother and daughters are common (but less so that husband and wife pairs). Queen Hetep-Heres was a daughter of King Khufu and was married to Prince Kawab. Meres-Ankh is known to have died before her mother and was married to King Khafra (builder of the second great pyramid at Giza) and the statue was a gift from her mother.
Khufu,
Kawab,
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quote:Originally posted by Swenet: If you ask me, the Ancient Egyptians weren't pigmented to the max either, like some Nubian groups would have been. If you look at early holocenic cave paintings, such as the cave of swimmers, the people are painted (mostly) brown skinned, I believe more highly pigmented figures are also represented. I wouldn't say symbolic coloration extended that far back in time. Slightly lighter skin color should be expected, given their latitude.
You might want to consider that those artists might have had a limited color palette when painting. Maybe they simply had little or no black paint available to them?
Furthermore, let's recall all those descriptions of Egyptians as having "super-Negroid" limb proportions. Of course the correlation between skin color and limb proportions isn't perfect, but if Egyptians had limb proportions in the upper end of the African range, that suggests an equatorial heritage which would carry along with it very dark skin.
Mind you, I don't doubt that some Egyptians, especially those in the country's northern nomes, may have had lighter skin, as it does make latitudinal sense, but I wouldn't discount the existence of very dark ones yet.
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quote:Originally posted by Anglo_Pyramidologist: Blondism was taken into those regions by Indo-European (IE) migrants who were Nordid.
According to what evidence?
quote:Originally posted by Anglo_Pyramidologist: ''Indo-European languages were, at one time, associated with a single, if composite, racial type, and that [...] racial type was an ancestral Nordic." (Coon, 1939)
According to what evidence?
quote:Originally posted by Anglo_Pyramidologist: The blonde Libyans were not indigenous to Africa at all, but were an exogenous Nordid population
Explain why the European genetic component of modern blonde/red haired North Africans is primarily alligned with Iberians, rather than Northwestern Europeans.
DNA extracted from Kurgan burials has revealed they were blonde haired, light skinned and blue eyed. The Kurgan Hypothesis has the most academic consensus regarding the Proto-Indo-European (PIE) homeland, and adjacent territory.
quote:The DNA testing of remains from kurgans indicated a high prevalence of people with characteristics such as blue (or green) eyes, fair skin and light hair.
C. Bouakaze et al., (2009). Pigment phenotype and biogeographical ancestry from ancient skeletal remains: inferences from multiplexed autosomal SNP analysis, International Journal of Legal Medicine. Volume 123, No. 4, pp. 315-325
Christine Keyser et al.,(2009). Ancient DNA provides new insights into the history of south Siberian Kurgan people, Human Genetics, Volume 126, No. 3, pp. 395-410.
For masses of anthropological evidence, largely from ancient literature, that the Indo-Europeans were blonde Nordids see 'Indo-European Origins: The Anthropological Evidence' by John V. Day (2001). 570 pages and 2,600 references, this is Dr. Day's approved PhD dissertation.
What this work shows -
(a) Reveals that over 2000 years ago a sharp-eyed observer in northern India claimed that upper-class men had fair skins and reddish hair (pages 80-82). (b) Analyses why Homer depicts important Greek heroes as blonde haired (pages 87-92). (c) Discusses early Celtic heroes in Irish literature and their typically light hair (pages 107-113). (d) Records the early Roman emperors who had light hair and blue eyes (pages 102-106). (e) Evaluates the 2500-year-old Iranian “Archer Frieze” that portrays some Iranian men with blue eyes (pages 134-137). (f) Examines Buddhist murals painted over 1000 years ago in northwest China that portray Indo-European Tocharians with fair hair, white skin and light eyes (pages 137-140).
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''Berbers are undoubtedly the descendants of the races known to the Greeks and Romans under the generic name of Libyans. The Kabyles of the hills between Algiers and Bougie, and the Shawia of the Aures Mountains are very similar to one another and may be taken as typical Berbers. They are distinctly white-skinned, [...]some have yellow hair and blue eyes. In the royal necropolis of Thebes of about 1300 B.C., certain Libyans are depicted as having a white skin, blue eyes and fair beards. Blonds are represented on Egyptian monuments from 1700 B.C. and were noted by the Greeks in the fourth century B.C. Perhaps they were a sporadic invasions and formed an aristocratic class. - Alfred Cort Haddon, The Races of Man and Their Distribution (1924), University Press, 1924, p.36
''Part of my time had been passed of what is called "La Grande Kabylie", that portion of the province of Algiers which is inhabited by he Kabyles, the most direct descendants of the Ancient Libyans. They are strange people these Kabyles, both in customs and physical aspects. Native of Africa time out of mind, many of them present the purest type of the blonde races, blue or gray eyes, tawny beard, fair complexion, curly light or reddish hair, muscular in build and often tall in stature. - Daniel Garrison Brinton, The Ethnologic affinities of the Ancient Etruscans, Proceedings, American Philosophical Society, vol. 26, 1889, p.504
''Among the Berbers, particularly the Kabyles in the Riff and in the Aures range, a Nordic strain shows itself clearly'' - Hans F.K. Günther, The racial elements of european history, E. P. Dutton, 1927
''Of the Berbers there is much good to be said. Whether in the olive-clad mountains of Kabylia or the terraced valleys of their Aurasian fastnesses, they are white men, and in general act like white men. Among them the virtues of honesty, hospitality, and good-nature are conspicuous. It is not their misfortune alone that the lowlands know them no more ; not their misfortune only that Mohammedanism has debarred them from entering as they would otherwise have entered on the path of European progress and liberality : it is the misfortune of the whole civilised world. Descendants of a mighty race whose culture once spread from the Atlantic to the Red Sea and the Hauran, from Crete to Timbuctoo and the Soudan, there are still to be found among them the vestiges of the arts and sciences, of the spirit of conquest, of the capacity for self-government which, if developed, would make them again a great nation. Melville William Hilton-Simpson, Among the Hill Folk of Algeria (1921), p.4
''The Berbers, among whom even today one finds light skins and blue eyes, do not go back to the Vandal invasions of the fifth century A.D., but to the prehistoric Atlantic Nordic human wave.'' - Alfred Rosenberg, The Myth of the Twentieth Century (1930), p. 6
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The burial found in the South. Of "the reality of the tropical adapted, maxillary, alveolar prognathic African with overbite." Packed with melanin specimen of African (negroid) origin. He, who died of a typical African decease, like the rest of his family members who suffered from this illness, called sickle cel!
Everything indicated a boy of African origin. Yet the racist black woman imposter, lyingass, keeps on ranting for years.looool
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quote:Originally posted by the lioness: TROLL PATROL ?
you ever notice Khufu looks Chinese? (aka San)
THE KHUFU STATUETTE IS IT AN OLD KINGDOM SCULPTURE?
quote:DNA extracted from Kurgan burials has revealed they were blonde haired, light skinned and blue eyed. The Kurgan Hypothesis has the most academic consensus regarding the Proto-Indo-European (PIE) homeland, and adjacent territory.
Do you even know where this culture was excavated? If so, then how does it make sense for you to say ''Nordid'' people brought those traits (light hair and eyes) there?
quote:For masses of anthropological evidence, largely from ancient literature, that the Indo-Europeans were blonde Nordids
I'm not questioning that they were blond haired, but that they had any direct association with Scandinavians, you fraud.
Stop running away from the questions:
-What evidence indicates that blonde hair was taken to the Middle East by ''Nordids'' -What evidence indicates that the earliers IE speakers were of an ancestral Nordid type? -If blond North Africans are ''Nordid'', explain why the European genetic component of modern blonde/red haired North Africans is primarily alligned with Iberians, rather than Northwestern Europeans.
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quote:I'm not questioning that they were blond haired, but that they had any direct association with Scandinavians, you fraud. -What evidence indicates that blonde hair was taken to the Middle East by ''Nordids'' -What evidence indicates that the earliers IE speakers were of an ancestral Nordid type?
Nordid does not strictly mean Scandinavian. Taxonomic names are not literal. I mean do you think all Neanderthals are from the Neander Valley? Nordids are not limited to Scandinavia, the same way Mediterranids are not limited to the Mediterranean.
Nordids morphologically are indistinguishable from the Atlantid or Atlanto-Mediterranid racial types (sub-dolichocephalic, leptoprosopic and leptorrhine). The only difference is superficial pigmentation: ''The Nordic race is certainly a depigmented offshoot from the basic long-headed Mediterranean stock. It deserves separate racial classification only because its blond hair (ash or golden), its pure blue or gray eyes'' (Hooton, 1939)
This depigmentation occurred in the northern latitudes (not though limited to Scandinavia) as the ancestral Caucasoid-Med types (Atlanto and Pontid) moved north. Blonde hair, light eyes and so forth only emerged in the northern latitudes. Frost's (2008) paper links blonde hair and light eyes to sexual dimorphism in these Caucasoids who moved north. These traits only emerged in the north, they didn't evolve in Africa or Western Asia, they were imported there by IE's.
So asking ''What evidence indicates that blonde hair was taken to the Middle East by Nordids'' is just a stupid question. Fair hair and light eyes only evolved in northern climatic conditions. The IE's were responsible for spreading blondism to other regions.
quote:If blond North Africans are ''Nordid'', explain why the European genetic component of modern blonde/red haired North Africans is primarily alligned with Iberians, rather than Northwestern Europeans.
The only fair haired populations in North Africa are isolated Berber tribes. Take a look at any pigmentation map, same for eye colour. These populations are not typical, but very rare. I'm well aware the standard North African Caucasoid clusters with Southern Europeans, this is because they aren't Nordids but Meditteranid types. The leukoderm Nordid types are confined to isolated pockets. Coon (1965) found an isolated tribe in the mountains of Algeria who were 85% Luschan Scale 1-9, in other words fully depigmentated with milky white skin.
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The presence of leukoderm Nordid blonde types in Egypt from pre-dynastic times is obviously a blow to Afrocentrism. That's why you denialists are left with:
(a) Claiming ''blacks'' are now white skinned and blonde haired (Zaharan has claimed this).
(b) Claim they are albinos.
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quote:I mean do you think all Neanderthals are from the Neander Valley? Nordids are not limited to Scandinavia, the same way Mediterranids are not limited to the Mediterranean.
Shitty analogy. All Neanderthals fall within the genetic and morphological range of Neanderthals. The people you group under ’’Nordid’’ aren’t within the same group at all. Scandinavians are much more aligned genetically with Western Europeans. Scythians would have been much more aligned with Iranians, Eastern Europeans, and Indian groups. Also, as was explained earlier, the European component of the North African populations with blonde and red hair is aligned with Iberians, not with Scandinavians.
quote: These traits only emerged in the north, they didn't evolve in Africa or Western Asia, they were imported there by IE's.
Prove it! Show the evidence of important back migrations from Scandinavia into the Middle East.
quote:Fair hair and light eyes only evolved in northern climatic conditions. The IE's were responsible for spreading blondism to other regions.
What are you saying, that Asia doesn’t have Northern climatic conditons? LOL. **Prove** that light hair and eyes were brought to Asia by the ancestors of Scandinavians.
quote:The only fair haired populations in North Africa are isolated Berber tribes. Take a look at any pigmentation map, same for eye colour. These populations are not typical, but very rare.
You fail, no matter where you turn for excuses. The same picture emerges when it comes to the Guanches; their European component is Iberian in origin.
quote:The presence of leukoderm Nordid blonde types in Egypt
Among which predynastic remains?
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quote:Originally posted by Anglo_Pyramidologist: The presence of leukoderm Nordid blonde types in Egypt from pre-dynastic times is obviously a blow to Afrocentrism. That's why you denialists are left with:
(a) Claiming ''blacks'' are now white skinned and blonde haired (Zaharan has claimed this).
(b) Claim they are albinos.
how many blonde haired Pharoahs do you know of?
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Anglo-Hypocrite bellowed: This girl is French and Native American admixed.
Stupid muthafacka. According to your own racialist definitions, Bailey would be "negroid" or "negroid admixed" - in other words black- black both by social construct definitions, and unmistakably by visual phenotype. But your white "role models" including your "Nordids" are themselves "admixed", 1/3 African and 2/3s Asian. Your "Mediterranids" like Greks themselves show a significant proportion of "sub Saharan" DNA. You lose again wanker boy.
Furthermore your hypocrisy is again exposed. In earlier posts, you lament "black criminals" - African-Americans who are your "admixed negroids." You have no problem calling African-Americans "black" when you can bash them as "criminals." But when it comes to African diversity, you then hypocritically switch, and define the same African-AMericans as "non-black."
Tropical Africans are not static entities. are not confined to tropical zones. This is one of the central problems with Eurocentric models- they want to present and use a static, stereotyped picture of tropical Africans as somehow huddled next to some environmental "apartheid" line- whether it be the Sahara or the equator. Some recap points to consider:
8-point recap
1-- The climatic zones of Africa are a moving target historically. The Sahara was once a lush greenbelt for example. Africans live within ALL these zones and adapt to and change with them, just like other humans elsewhere, but they STILL remain African.
2--Tropical Africans range throughout the continent. They are not conveniently confined behind some artificial climatic Jim Crow barrier as credible mainstream scholars repeatedly show.
3-- The data on the peoples of the Nile Valley clearly show ancient Egypt was fundamentally populated by tropically adapted Africans.
4-- The cultural and material data, from religion to pottery, to art, show close links between Egyptians an other tropical Africans.
5-- Limb proportions studies repeatedly show the same physically.
6--Tropical environments have numerous micro- climates, from hot deserts, to cold, cool mountains, to cold jungle, yes jungle plateaus. Tropical Africans again, are not static. They inhabit all these environments WITHIN the tropic zone. Thus narrow noses on the cold slopes, in the thin air of East African mountains are nothing special, and don't need any "race mix" or "wandering Caucasoid" migrations to explain why.
7--Tropical Africans are the most diverse people in the world, and are not bound by mere environmental factors to explain how they look. Broad nosed, tightly curly-haired peoples appear on cold mountain slopes, while narrow nosed, looser-haired peoples show up on West African savannahs and in deserts. As the cradle of modern humanity, the African genetic pool is the base. Thus native peoples in Africa without say a heavy limb proportion index are not necessarily from elsewhere outside Africa. The genetic diversity of Africa, and the environmental diversity (including tropical zone micro-climes or interzones) covers a wide range.
8-- The tropical zone is right adjacent to the sub-tropical zone, with substantial overlap. In fact the Tropic ZOne cuts through part of Southern Egypt. The notion that tropical people from the Sudan cannot walk 100 miles across the artificial climatic line of the Tropic of Cancer into the Nile Valley, and that somehow "wandering Caucasoids" from 900 miles distant are needed to explain a narrow nose, is still part of the Eurocentric mindset, and fulfills the racial agendas of that mindset.
8-- Finally tropical adaptations are deeply embedded in humans, much more so than mere skin color, nose shape or hair texture. This means that when such adaptations are found, you can be sure that the people are indeed related to those from tropic zones. This is why ancient Egyptians cluster with Black Americans on limb proportion measures- both peoples are tropically derived. Again keep in mind that a slice of SOuthern Egypt is within the tropical climate zone.
^^The above model Brooke Bailey is "non-black" when it comes to African diversity, but if some "African American can be labeled a "criminal" then they and she suddenly become "black" again..
^^Chock full of basal epithelial cells packed with melanin... When she can be labeled a criminal she becomes "black" but when she is a case for African diversity or beauty, she suddenly becomes "non-black" according to racist hypocritesPosts: 5905 | From: The Hammer | Registered: Aug 2008
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Zaharan, Brooke Bailey is not solely African-American, she is someone with FRENCH ('white') parents and grandparents. She herself lists her ancestry as part French ('white').
Are you saying African-Americans typically have white French parents and grandparents?
You are the dumbest troll here. All the models you spam are mixed race, never Negroid.
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quote:Originally posted by Swenet: Shitty analogy. All Neanderthals fall within the genetic and morphological range of Neanderthals. The people you group under ’’Nordid’’ aren’t within the same group at all. Scandinavians are much more aligned genetically with Western Europeans. Scythians would have been much more aligned with Iranians, Eastern Europeans, and Indian groups. Also, as was explained earlier, the European component of the North African populations with blonde and red hair is aligned with Iberians, not with Scandinavians.
quote: These traits only emerged in the north, they didn't evolve in Africa or Western Asia, they were imported there by IE's.
Prove it! Show the evidence of important back migrations from Scandinavia into the Middle East.
quote:Fair hair and light eyes only evolved in northern climatic conditions. The IE's were responsible for spreading blondism to other regions.
What are you saying, that Asia doesn’t have Northern climatic conditons? LOL. **Prove** that light hair and eyes were brought to Asia by the ancestors of Scandinavians.
quote:The only fair haired populations in North Africa are isolated Berber tribes. Take a look at any pigmentation map, same for eye colour. These populations are not typical, but very rare.
You fail, no matter where you turn for excuses. The same picture emerges when it comes to the Guanches; their European component is Iberian in origin.
quote:The presence of leukoderm Nordid blonde types in Egypt
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Come back when you learn the basics, otherwise you are just wasting my time.
It is only you who is making the retarded ''Nordids = Scandinavians'' claim. You are just setting up straw men, and then repeating the same fallacious arguments. By the same logic do you think all Mongoloids are from Mongolia? Posts: 1575 | From: - | Registered: May 2011
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quote:Prove it! Show the evidence of important back migrations from Scandinavia into the Middle East.
Another straw man.
Like I said it is only you making this stupid Nordid = Scandinavian equation. I've posted nothing whatsoever do to with Scandinavians.
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People I have been observing Anglo_Pyramidologist and while you have to make elaborate replies I just one simple question to him "how many blonde haired Pharoahs do you know of?" and it kills the whole Nordic Egyptian thing. There are over 250 Pharoahs of Egypt even if you were to argue five were blond it is insignificant and it shoots down a Nordic Egypt concept. Well how about ancient Libyans? Look at the Egyptian art, they are portrayed with black hair
Another thing you should notice is that Anglo_Pyramidologist will not state a geographic origin for Nordics or Caucasians in general
Therefore he can pretend it might be anywhere and everywhere.
That is his basic strategy, mention no geographic origin for Nordics or Caucasians, therefore they originate anywhere they happen to be found, any part of the world you happen to be discussing the the moment.
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Even the most seasoned white supremacists and most studious "racial realists" are not afraid to speak with "pride" of their geographic origins.
But Anglo_Pyramidologist has found it convenient to leave that out and travel with a goal post strapped to his back, how cowardly
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Well, if you take Nordid to represent a phenotypical configuration, than you still fail.
First off, Kurgans were not Nordids according to your boy Coon.
Brace 2005 has his Kurgan sample clustering close to North(east) Africans.
What did you say about Kurgans being the original blonde haired IE speakers again?
LOL
Secondly, people with significant frequencies of blonde hair don't form a cranio-facial cluster, whether you call it ''Nordid'', ''Ancestral Nordid'' or whatever. You're just pulling that out of your ass.
From Alpines, to Guanches, to Scythians, to Scandinavians, to Saami, they all have/had blonde hair, without necessarily being particularly close, phenotypically or genetically.
As for blonde/red headed Northern Africans; there is nothing ''Nordid'', whatever the phuck that means, about light hair frequencies in Northern Africa. Its simply spillover from Iberia and the Near East. Higher frequencies among Kabyles can be perfectly explained in terms of evolution. Posts: 8785 | From: Discovery Channel's Mythbusters | Registered: Dec 2009
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quote:Originally posted by Anglo_Pyramidologist: Zaharan, Brooke Bailey is not solely African-American, she is someone with FRENCH ('white') parents and grandparents. She herself lists her ancestry as part French ('white').
Are you saying African-Americans typically have white French parents and grandparents?
^Racist hypocrite, you have no problem bashing African Americans like Bailey and calling her black if you can bash African-Americans as criminals and such, but now that her picture appears illustrating Diop's take on Eurocentric hypocrisy, all of a sudden you are calling her "non black". And you yourself in earlier posts had no problem stating that most black americans had a small portion of ancestry from non-Africans. Yet you still called them black.
Now all of a sudden your hypocrisy is exposed, you quickly and conveniently switch to calling them non-black? lmao... Doofus! Don't you realize you have been set up -- a perfect illustration of the hypocrisy Diop was talking about.
^^According to racist hypocrite Anglo Buffoon she is "black" when being bashed as a low iq criminal African American, but suddenly becomes "non-black" with white parents when used to illustrate Diop's observation on Eurocentric hypocrisy.
And who says Brook Bailey has white French parents? Show us where she says her parents or grandparents are white. And who says the French background she refers to is from white France at all and not referring to say a French SPEAKING ancestor from the Caribbean? There are places out there that speak French doofus, like Haiti, and there are black people elsewhere that speak French with minimal white French ancestry. DUH.. You made the claim- now prove it. Prove Bailey has white French parents or grandparents.
And don't forget your precious whites are themselves a mixed mongrel breed which you keep running away from.
Hybrid wanker....
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^ LOL Zarahan, the bloody British buffoon is a raving lunatic and loser! So what, if Brooke Bailey has some French admixture. What is the Anglo-Idiot's point? That she inherited her steatopygous physique and dark complexion from the French?! LMAO
You're wasting your time with the crazed idiot. Remember this is the same guy who claims the Maasai of rural Kenya who are highly endogamous are somehow "Caucasoid" mixed due to certain features like orthognathy and low nasal index!! LOL If you were to show him a Congolese model with the same features she too would be dismissed as 'mixed'!
And let's not forget the actual topic of this thread!:
For example, short mitochondrial DNA sequences have been recovered from the remains of a liver found in a canopic jar belonging to Nekht-Ankh, a priest of the Middle Kingdom.77 These sequences when compared to the sequences recovered from the Delta population (Lower Egypt), it were found to be identical to four of the modern Egyptian mitochondrial lineages. Preliminary results from PCR on the Nile Delta population in the late 1980s found that “small subsets of modern Egyptian mitochondrial DNA lineages are closely related to Sub-Saharan African lineages.”..Posts: 26238 | From: Atlanta, Georgia, USA | Registered: Feb 2005
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quote:Racist hypocrite, you have no problem bashing African Americans like Bailey and calling her black if you can bash African-Americans as criminals and such
Epic Fail.
Bailey isn't solely African-American, her parents are French and Amerindian admixed:
quote:Brooke Bailey Interviews with HennyWiz @ WizDailyDose
Hennywiz – Where are you originally from and what’s you ethnic background?
Brooke – I’m originally from South Central Los Angeles. I’m Black, Indian and French!
How are Native Americans and ethnic French ''Black'' you troll?
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quote:And don't forget your precious whites are themselves a mixed mongrel breed
Last time i looked around my family table at a gathering (and i have great grandparents) all look like me. I have no mixed race heritage whatsoever.
Brooke Bailey and the other mutts you are posting - are people with mixed race families. These are people with black/white/amerindian admixture and furthermore they personally identify as ''mixed''.
Face it once again you have made a complete fool out of yourself. You were trying to demonstrate Diop's quote, but then post three MIXED race models. LOL...
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^ haha. also note that Zaharan never spams the other picture with the Italian tag no more. This is after it was revealed the female he put up was mixed race, with Italian and Norweigian ancestry...
Norwegians are now ''black'' according to Zaharan. Total hypocrisy to cite a Diop quote accusing 'eurocentrics' of a double standard, Zaharan has claimed girls of 1/4 or 1/2 white european admixture are somehow magically ''black''.
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quote:Originally posted by Swenet: Well, if you take Nordid to represent a phenotypical configuration, than you still fail.
First off, Kurgans were not Nordids according to your boy Coon.
Brace 2005 has his Kurgan sample clustering close to North(east) Africans.
What did you say about Kurgans being the original blonde haired IE speakers again?
LOL
Secondly, people with significant frequencies of blonde hair don't form a cranio-facial cluster, whether you call it ''Nordid'', ''Ancestral Nordid'' or whatever. You're just pulling that out of your ass.
From Alpines, to Guanches, to Scythians, to Scandinavians, to Saami, they all have/had blonde hair, without necessarily being particularly close, phenotypically or genetically.
As for blonde/red headed Northern Africans; there is nothing ''Nordid'', whatever the phuck that means, about light hair frequencies in Northern Africa. Its simply spillover from Iberia and the Near East. Higher frequencies among Kabyles can be perfectly explained in terms of evolution.
They have fair hair through IE admixture. These populations before Indo-European contact were not blonde, but dark haired. Alpines can naturally can be chestnut, but that is not fair, its medium or mixed on a pigmentation chart.
The indigenous Lappids (Sami) in pure form are short, swarthy, with dark hair. This is how they are described in the Old Norse literature.
Blonde hair is an Indo-European marker. Note that in Britain, the only places where you get blondes are in the areas the IE Saxons or Norse were concentrated (limited to the eastern coasts). The areas not impacted by Indo-Europeans (the most of UK) are brunette haired.
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quote:Originally posted by the lioness: People I have been observing Anglo_Pyramidologist and while you have to make elaborate replies I just one simple question to him "how many blonde haired Pharoahs do you know of?" and it kills the whole Nordic Egyptian thing. There are over 250 Pharoahs of Egypt even if you were to argue five were blond it is insignificant and it shoots down a Nordic Egypt concept. Well how about ancient Libyans? Look at the Egyptian art, they are portrayed with black hair
Another thing you should notice is that Anglo_Pyramidologist will not state a geographic origin for Nordics or Caucasians in general
Therefore he can pretend it might be anywhere and everywhere.
That is his basic strategy, mention no geographic origin for Nordics or Caucasians, therefore they originate anywhere they happen to be found, any part of the world you happen to be discussing the the moment.
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Even the most seasoned white supremacists and most studious "racial realists" are not afraid to speak with "pride" of their geographic origins.
But Anglo_Pyramidologist has found it convenient to leave that out and travel with a goal post strapped to his back, how cowardly
I've posted here numerous times a Pleistocene and post-Pleistocene map of the races. Regarding the former, the Caucasoid belt of racial origins is Western Eurasia (from north-western europe to India). The Nordid homeland is not Scandinavia. The whole of Northern Europe was inhabited by swarthy Caucasoid Med types before depigmentated occurred and the Indo-Europeans moved into Scandinavia as late as the 2nd millenium BC.
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quote:Originally posted by Anglo_Pyramidologist: Blonde hair is an Indo-European marker. Note that in Britain, the only places where you get blondes are in the areas the IE Saxons or Norse were concentrated (limited to the eastern coasts). The areas not impacted by Indo-Europeans (the most of UK) are brunette haired.
LOL at this feminine dude redefining the discussion, and making it about Indo European speakers, instead of ''Nordids''. Answer the question ho': does the presence of blond hair in Northwest Africa, or anywhere else, for that matter, necessitate the migration of a ''Nordid'' population?
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quote:Originally posted by Anglo_Pyramidologist: ^ haha. also note that Zaharan never spams the other picture with the Italian tag no more. This is after it was revealed the female he put up was mixed race, with Italian and Norweigian ancestry...
Norwegians are now ''black'' according to Zaharan. Total hypocrisy to cite a Diop quote accusing 'eurocentrics' of a double standard, Zaharan has claimed girls of 1/4 or 1/2 white european admixture are somehow magically ''black''.
While you claim meds to be white and subset of European diversity despite their having Asian and African lineages not found in the much more homogenous Northwestern Europeans like yourself. Posts: 2508 | From: . | Registered: Nov 2011
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quote:Originally posted by Anglo_Pyramidologist: Note that in Britain, the only places where you get blondes are in the areas the IE Saxons or Norse were concentrated (limited to the eastern coasts). The areas not impacted by Indo-Europeans (the most of UK) are brunette haired.
What Britons are you talking about, and what are they, if not Indo-Europeans?
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