With the establishment of Roman rule by Emperor Augustus in 30 B.C., more than six centuries of Roman and Byzantine control began. Egypt again became the province of an empire, as it had been under the Persians and briefly under Alexander. As the principal source of the grain supply for Rome, it came under the direct control of the emperor in his capacity as supreme military chief, and a strong force was garrisoned there. Gradually, Latin replaced Greek as the language of higher administration. In 212 Rome gave the Egyptians citizenship in the empire.
The emperor ruled as successor to the Ptolemies with the title of "Pharaoh, Lord of the Two Lands," and the conventional divine attributes assigned to Egyptian kings were attributed to him. Rome was careful, however, to bring the native priesthood under its control, although guaranteeing traditional priestly rights and privileges.
Augustus and his successors continued the tradition of building temples to the local gods on which the rulers and the gods were depicted in the Egyptian manner. The Romans completed the construction of an architectural jewel, the Temple of Isis on Philae Island (Jazirat Filah), which was begun under the Ptolemies. A new artistic development during this period was the painting of portraits on wood, an art that originated in the Fayyum region. These portraits were placed on the coffins of mummies.
The general pattern of Roman Egypt included a strong, centralized administration supported by a military force large enough to guarantee internal order and to provide security against marauding nomads. There was an elaborate bureaucracy with an extended system of registers and controls, and a social hierarchy based on caste and privilege with preferred treatment for the Hellenized population of the towns over the rural and native Egyptian population. The best land continued to form the royal domain.
The empire that Rome established was wider, more enduring, and better administered than any the Mediterranean world had known. For centuries, it provided an ease of communication and a unity of culture throughout the empire that would not be seen again until modern times. In Western Europe, Rome founded a tradition of public order and municipal government that outlasted the empire itself. Rome's contact with other Eastern civilizations was less successful.
The story of Roman Egypt is a sad record of shortsighted exploitation leading to economic and social decline. Like the Ptolemies, Rome treated Egypt as a mere estate to be exploited for the benefit of the rulers. But however incompetently some of the later Ptolemies managed their estate, much of the wealth they derived from it remained in the country itself. Rome, however, was an absentee landlord, and a large part of the grain delivered as rent by the royal tenants or as tax by the landowners as well as the numerous money-taxes were sent to Rome and represented a complete loss to Egypt.
The history of Egypt in this period cannot be separated from the history of the Roman Empire. Thus, Egypt was affected by the spread of Christianity in the empire in the first century A.D. and by the decline of the empire during the third century A.D. Christianity arrived early in Egypt, and the new religion quickly spread from Alexandria into the hinterland, reaching Upper Egypt by the second century. According to some Christian traditions, St. Mark brought Christianity to Egypt in A.D. 37, and the church in Alexandria was founded in A.D. 40. The Egyptian Christians are called Copts, a word derived from the Greek word for the country, Aegyptos. In the Coptic language, the Copts also called themselves "people of Egypt." Thus the word Copt originally implied nationality rather than religion.
In the third century A.D., the decay of the empire gradually affected the Roman administration of Egypt. Roman bureaucracy became overcentralized and poorly managed. The number of qualified applicants for administrative positions was seriously reduced by Roman civil war, pestilence, and conflict among claimants to imperial power.
A renaissance of imperial authority and effectiveness took place under Emperor Diocletian. During his reign (284-305), the partition of the Roman Empire into eastern and western segments began. Diocletian inaugurated drastic political and fiscal reforms and sought to simplify imperial administration. Under Diocletian, the administrative unity of Egypt was destroyed by transforming Egypt from one province into three. Seeing Christianity as a threat to Roman state religion and thus to the unity of the empire, Diocletian launched a violent persecution of Christians.
The Egyptian church was particularly affected by the Roman persecutions, beginning with Septimius Severus's edict of 202 dissolving the influential Christian School of Alexandria and forbidding future conversions to Christianity. In 303 Emperor Diocletian issued a decree ordering all churches demolished, all sacred books burned, and all Christians who were not officials made slaves. The decree was carried out for three years, a period known as the "Era of Martyrs." The lives of many Egyptian Christians were spared only because more workers were needed in the porphyry quarries and emerald mines that were worked by Egyptian Christians as "convict labor."
Emperor Constantine I (324-337) ruled both the eastern and western parts of the empire. In 330 he established his capital at Byzantium, which he renamed Constantinople (present-day Istanbul). Egypt was governed from Constantinople as part of the Byzantine Empire. In 312 Constantine established Christianity as the official religion of the empire, and his Edict of Milan of 313 established freedom of worship.
By the middle of the fourth century, Egypt was largely a Christian country. In 324 the ecumenical Council of Nicea established the patriarchate of Alexandria as second only to that of Rome; its jurisdiction extended over Egypt and Libya. The patriarchate had a profound influence on the early development of the Christian church because it helped to clarify belief and to formulate dogmas. In 333 the number of Egyptian bishops was estimated at nearly 100.
After the fall of Rome, the Byzantine Empire became the center of both political and religious power. The political and religious conflict between the Copts of Egypt and the rulers of Byzantium began when the patriarchate of Constantinople began to rival that of Alexandria. The Council of Chalcedon in 451 initiated the great schism that separated the Egyptian Church from Catholic Christendom. The schism had momentous consequences for the future of Christianity in the East and for Byzantine power. Ostensibly, the council was called to decide on the nature of Christ. If Christ were both God and man, had he two natures? The Arians had already been declared heretics for denying or minimizing the divinity of Christ; the opposite was to ignore or minimize his humanity. Coptic Christians were Monophysites who believed that after the incarnation Christ had but one nature with dual aspects. The council, however, declared that Christ had two natures and that he was equally human and equally divine. The Coptic Church refused to accept the council's decree and rejected the bishop sent to Egypt. Henceforth, the Coptic Church was in schism from the Catholic Church as represented by the Byzantine Empire and the Byzantine Church.
For nearly two centuries, Monophysitism in Egypt became the symbol of national and religious resistance to Byzantium's political and religious authority. The Egyptian Church was severely persecuted by Byzantium. Churches were closed, and Coptic Christians were killed, tortured, and exiled in an effort to force the Egyptian Church to accept Byzantine orthodoxy. The Coptic Church continued to appoint its own patriarchs, refusing to accept those chosen by Constantinople and attempting to depose them. The break with Catholicism in the fifth century converted the Coptic Church to a national church with deeply rooted traditions that have remained unchanged to this day.
By the seventh century, the religious persecutions and the growing pressure of taxation had engendered great hatred of the Byzantines. As a result, the Egyptians offered little resistance to the conquering armies of Islam.
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The Greek and Roman colonisers of Egypt discriminated against the native Egyptian, they treated the black Egyptian as second class citizen.Only the Greek, the Roman and the immigrant Jewish, Syrian population that serve them occupied the highest and most important position/jobs in colonised Egypt.
The Greek and Roman colonisers exploited Egypt economicaly.Egyptian farmers were taxes sometime heavily for the benefit of the colonisers.Most of Egypt grain production were exported to Rome.The black Egyptian revolted many times against Greek and Roman colonisers located in Alexandria.Greek and Roman repression of these revolts cause thousands of Egyptian to immigrate to West, East and Central Africa. Some black scholar call Egypt the first black African colony of Europe.
The Christian Roman Emperor Theodosius destroyed black Ancient Egyptian culture by closing the Ancient Egyptian Temple and University, by making the Ancient Egyptian religion illegal and by burning the 700,000 manuscripts library of Alexandria.Theodosius wanted Roman literalise Christianity(A copy of black Egyptian Neterism and Christian Gnosism)to become the only religion of the Roman Empire control by the Roman elite and Emperor.Roman Christianity reorganised by Emperor Constantine at the conference Nicea is the most powerful religion on earth today with 1.5 billion members still controled by the Roman Emperor/Pharaoh/Pope Benedict XVI and ancient Papal families.
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You guys are more knowledgeable about this than me ...but since I am a skeptic...and I read more about AE since joining the forum. I question that belief. Reading about the lineage of Cleopatra I very much doubt that is the case. It seems that the greeks were fughking the natives more so than even their fellow Greeks. Assuming the Greeks were white, it seems liked they were fughking the the natives every which way. But that is not the suprise. What is suprising is the offsprings were allowed to ascend the Ptolomey throne. See Cleo, her father, grandfather and even her younger brother. And they were the only one I read up on. Cleo young brother was murdered to prevent him from ascending the throne. He is confirmed to have a black Egyptian mother ..if not Cleo.
Now I question everything a white person writes.
quote:Originally posted by mena7: The Greek and Roman colonisers of Egypt discriminated against the native Egyptian, they treated the black Egyptian as second class citizen..
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BTW Lioness. What is the point of the post. Copy and paste. Bold or highlight your point.
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quote:Originally posted by mena7: The Greek and Roman colonisers of Egypt discriminated against the native Egyptian, they treated the black Egyptian as second class citizen..
quote:Originally posted by xyyman: You guys are more knowledgeable about this than me ...but since I am a skeptic...and I read more about AE since joining the forum. I question that belief. Reading about the lineage of Cleopatra I very much doubt that is the case. It seems that the greeks were fughking the natives more so than even their fellow Greeks. Assuming the Greeks were white, it seems liked they were fughking the the natives every which way. But that is not the suprise. What is suprising is the offsprings were allowed to ascend the Ptolomey throne. See Cleo, her father, grandfather and even her younger brother. And they were the only one I read up on. Cleo young brother was murdered to prevent him from ascending the throne. He is confirmed to have a black Egyptian mother ..if not Cleo.
Now I question everything a white person writes.
Yet yet you are far from enitirely dismissing DNA analysis written by the cave beast.
quote:Originally posted by xyyman: BTW Lioness. What is the point of the post. Copy and paste. Bold or highlight your point.
The thread is an outline of how the Romans ran Egypt.
Your assumption is that because occupiers fvckd the occupied they treated them as equals. Might I remind you of the plantation owners in the deep South, although treatment of Egyptians might be more along the lines of dominant nationalism rather than racism. Look up "Fayum mummy portraits" in wikipedia and also in google images for portraits of mixed
The point at which Egypt was never to return to governing itself was the invasion of the Assyrians followed by Persians (short periods) , then Greeks who were supposedly not as oppressive as the Persians, then Romans then Arabs. But Egypt had had the longest running empire in history. Keep in mind the topic of this thraed is Roamn Egypt rather than Greek Egypt.
googlebooks is a great resource go there and type in "Roman Egypt" and "Greek Egypt" I haven't read that much about these topics yet
they have a wide variety of authors there including the likes of Molefi Asante and Diop as well as Genetic textbooks
I didn't get around to reading it, there's a googlebooks link there which you can read parts of the book
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I'm not sure about this term "Moorish Civilization" They were civilized. I would call the Moors a part of Islamic Civilization, largely Arab and directed from Mecca.
The Roman empire was predominantly white but they controlled territories in Africa, had some blacks and other etnicities in the population and had a few Emperors who were part "berber" ( something of a culture rather than a precisely defined ethnicity, similarly "Moor") The Year of the Five Emperors refers to the year 193, in which after the assianation of Commodus, there were five claimants for the title of Roman Emperor. The five were Pertinax, Didius Julianus, Pescennius Niger, Clodius Albinus and Septimius Severus. Some of them were born in Africa including Albinus who was known for his light skin. Others were part berber.
As per the Egyptian civilization it is part of Nile Valley civilization which runs further South into Sub Saharn Africa. They incorporated dieties from other African cultures into their religion. But the were also very close to the Near East and for that reason it possible that they may have had some significant mixture with Levantine people also I'm not sure how much. depictions of the Egyptians is widely diverse including of the more southerly looking type African. Meroe to the South had pyamids also but all coantructed after the Egyptaisn finished making their. The Sumerians however had monumental architecture of their own style as early as the Egyptians. You cannot find that type of stone architecture in other parts of Africa in the predyanastic and Old Kingdom periods The unique location of Egypt includes the small bottleneck sinai which is the only point of traversable continuous land between Africa and Asia. Sometimes ancient writers regarded Africa as part of Asia Rome and Greece however are not geographic hub between continents. Also befoer the late dynasties a large part of Egypt was ruled by the Hyksos for about 100 years.
There is also a point at which "African" people evolve into people that would be described as "non African" . This is separate from admixture. SOY Keita points this out. It occurs in stages over long periods of time. Sometimes these people are called "intermediate" There could even be more of these "halfway" types than similar looking people that are a result of admixture. Were they mixed rather than imtemediate? It's a maybe. Some of them however appear to be largely pure African similar to other Africans. In the past couple of years more new mummies were found so there may be new information coming in in the future
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quote:Originally posted by Djehuti: [qb] ^ More than that, we know that the Egyptians have had relations with the people of the Sinai since predynastic times. The earliest dynastic writings label the natives of the Sinai as 'Monitu' whom they traded turquoise with. There may even be evidence of proto-Egyptic/proto-Semitic ties due to early Sinai and Canaanite deities and rulers having similar headdresses as Egyptians. There is a book I read once that described a probable predynastic Egyptian colonization of the Sinai and Canaan right before unification.
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"Ancient Egyptian civilisation - not primarily black, it was mixed. Moorish civilisation - not primarily black (even though Moor means black) it was mixed. Greek civilisation, primarily white. Roman civilisation, primarily white." - Lioness
"Predynastic Sinai and Canaanites = no blacks" - Lioness
"Phonecians traders in North Africa = no blacks" - Lioness
quote:There is also a point at which "African" people evolve into people that would be described as "non African" . This is separate from admixture. SOY Keita points this out. It occurs in stages over long periods of time. Sometimes these people are called "intermediate" There could even be more of these "halfway" types than similar looking people that are a result of admixture. Were they mixed rather than imtemediate? It's a maybe.
^ doesn't even begin to support your crackpot theory...
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quote:They didn't have enough of it to characterize these civilizations as mulatto.
Wah??! LOL! Oh really prof. lioness, you are privy to these intimate demographic details? I would love to know too, what does your "research" say about the numbers of "mixed" offspring (in %) in the Greco-Roman world as compared to Carthage and AE. Sources please.
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^^^ the simplton comes and makes upf false quotes. Knows nothing about Egypt under Rome and Byzantium, 30 B.C.-A.D. 640. Doesn't care to know about it. Goes into the tired old "were the Egyptians black" thing trying to raise his ptofile in the forum and get attention. Problem is everyone knows he's a troll, and would rather here someone else argue with me who knows more. And most people get tired of that discussion over and over again. They would rather discuss the Romans in Egypt. And the initial thread didin't even have a sidebar into "were the Egyptians black?" So this troll comes in jealous he has no posts of his own and to cover up his lack of knowlege on the topic wants to to go into racial politics to get attention. Sad loser Menawhile he's the same person who believes Trayvon martin got what he deserved. But I'm not going to discuss that here.What does that have to do with Roman rule in Egypt?
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^ Bitch can't defend his crackpot theory so now the troll will pretend he has standards and don't go OT. LOL!
Please, the diversion wont work. Your posts are there for all to see no need to make up shyt. You're the one guilty of out-of-your-azz theories (shyt making?). Denying AE was primarily black has been your theme for fourteen thousand posts now. Recently you claimed that AE was primarily mixed and ancient Rome was primarily white based on whites not having as much sex with blacks etc. But when asked to support your shyt making it's all "I'm not sure" and "it's a maybe". LOL! Well damn bitch, I thought unlike me you did "research"? Are you saying your mulatto theory is based on anti-black ideology and your only reason in here is to promote that BS?
When you first came I was thought you were Salassin/Jamie but it was only a matter of time before you notice the enormous difference between his posts and your "research" (i.e spam). You're all troll Lioness productions. Can't even learn anything from you.
STILL NOT SUPPORTED...
quote:Originally posted by anguishofbeing:
quote:They didn't have enough of it to characterize these civilizations as mulatto.
Wah??! LOL! Oh really prof. lioness, you are privy to these intimate demographic details? I would love to know too, what does your "research" say about the numbers of "mixed" offspring (in %) in the Greco-Roman world as compared to Carthage and AE. Sources please.
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Lioness, why are you such an idiot? No one can make a well founded pronouncement on the racial nature of Europe. Simply because there is absolutely no trustworthy source to base an opinion on. Regardless of whether you accept it or not, Albinos have spent the past two/three centuries muddling racial history with lies and fake artifacts. So my guess is that it will be a long time before we are able to peel away all of the Albinos lies, fakes, and bullsh1t.
Here is an interesting one for you.
Medal of Italian artist Giovanni Paolo Lomazzo by Annibale Fontana - 1650
Here he is clearly a Mulatto, no doubt with Black/Albino parents at home in Milan.
Albino sources tell us that this is his SELF PORTRAIT!
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"Ancient Egyptian civilisation - not primarily black, it was mixed. Moorish civilisation - not primarily black (even though Moor means black) it was mixed. Greek civilisation, primarily albino. Roman civilisation, primarily albino." - Lioness
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Hypocrite much Mike?? You are the one trying to insult our intelligence. We can not move ahead while Black racist idiots like yourself and your crew continue to use racist epithets towards us, continue to try to steal our history, continue to try to steal our heritage, our identities, continue trying to steal our homeland, and continue trying to leak on us & tell us its raining.
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Doxie dear, I'm sure your people DO have a history: but because they never developed a writing/reading system to record it, there is no way for us to know what it was.
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quote:Originally posted by Mike111: Lioness, why are you such an idiot? No one can make a well founded pronouncement on the racial nature of Europe. Simply because there is absolutely no trustworthy source to base an opinion on. Regardless of whether you accept it or not, Albinos have spent the past two/three centuries muddling racial history with lies and fake artifacts. So my guess is that it will be a long time before we are able to peel away all of the Albinos lies, fakes, and bullsh1t.
Here is an interesting one for you.
Medal of Italian artist Giovanni Paolo Lomazzo by Annibale Fontana - 1650
Here he is clearly a Mulatto, no doubt with Black/Albino parents at home in Milan.
Albino sources tell us that this is his SELF PORTRAIT!
How can we move ahead when Albinos continue to insult our intelligence like this?
^^^ This is another self portrait by Giovanni Paolo Lomazzo.
The medal at top from a owned and made available for you to see on the internet by white sources by was made according to you in 1650.
Giovanni Paolo Lomazzo had died 1592 - 58 years earlier and more years before he made self portraits.
Mike, what does that tell you?
Also you make the following assumption over and over again
^^^^ you call someone like this Mulatto and assume that that means he had parents that looked different form one another, one black the other white
^^^^ when in reality his parents look similar to how he looks and such case could go back many generations
Turkish family, Istanbul
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^^^^^ the same argument could be made about the vast majority of European paintings of the nobility
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13th century book illustration produced in Baghdad by al Wasiti showing a slave market in the town of Zabid in Yemen . -note the date of this art and the fact it was made by Muslims
see if you can steer back tp Romans in Egypt topic. we've done the Turk thing hundreds of times
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quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: 13th century book illustration produced in Baghdad by al Wasiti showing a slave market in the town of Zabid in Yemen . -note the date of this art and the fact it was made by Muslims
see if you can steer back tp Romans in Egypt topic. we've done the Turk thing hundreds of times
^Albinos deluding again!
Idiot, I see three Black guys and one White guy sitting down. The Black guy front left, seems to have a halo around his head.
Meanwhile some White guy on the left is dragging a White woman towards them, while a standing White guy on the right seems to be talking to them - maybe extolling the woman's talents?
The only one that could be a slave is the woman - what's your point, gender inequality?
Idiots in general:
CUSTOMERS "Sit" MERCHANTS "Stand" SLAVES "Do NOT sit" (unless it is a crowd control situation).
Negroes, tell the truth, how many of you believed that Albino bullsh1t?
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This is info that you will need to know for my next post.
History of the Kurdish people
The Kurds are an ethnic group who have historically inhabited the mountainous areas to the south of Caucasus (Zagros and Taurus mountain ranges), a geographical area collectively referred to as Kurdistan. Most Kurds speak an Indo-European language belonging to the Iranian branch.
There are various hypotheses as to predecessor populations of the Kurds, such as the Carduchoi of Classical Antiquity. The earliest known Kurdish dynasties under Islamic rule (10th to 12th centuries) are the Hasanwayhids, the Marwanids, the Shaddadids, followed by the Ayyubid dynasty founded by Saladin. The Battle of Chaldiran of 1514 is an important turning point in Kurdish history, marking the alliance of Kurds with the Ottomans. The Sharafnameh of 1597 is the first account of Kurdish history. Kurdish history in the 20th century is marked by a rising sense of Kurdish nationhood focussed on the goal of an independent Kurdistan as scheduled by the Treaty of Sèvres in 1920. Partial autonomy was reached by Kurdistan Uyezd (1923–1926) and by Iraqi Kurdistan (since 1991), while notably in Turkish Kurdistan, an armed conflict between the PKK and Turkish Armed Forces was ongoing from 1984 to 1999, and the region continues to be unstable with renewed flaring up of violence in the 2000s.
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quote:Originally posted by Mike111: ^Wanna know Middle-east, West Asian history in short form?
Here it is:
Black Penis:
Albino Turk Virgina.
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when you say black penis are you referring to the black haram guards who were bought by the Turkish owners of these baths and had their balls cut off so they wouldn't get any ideas?
Again, information is left out puposely. Jean Germome 1824 - 1904
in order to make these paintings he visited Turkey where these Ottoman baths were.
So right after trying to say the Turks were white he's trying to claim they were black and had these white women slaves.
Mike your scholarship a fvcking joke
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Mike it's disappointing I thought you might have some research on the Romans in egypt. Instaed you are in an emotioal Turk obsessed whilwind of picture spams
parading around eunuch slaves of the Turks and calling it pride
The Ottman sultans weren't hanging around these baths. They were in fancy rooms smoking hookahs waiting for the black slave women to finish washing the white slave girls so the could meet them in their bedrooms. If they acted charming enough they might get special privilges. Look into it
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32-01-06/66 MEDIEVAL MANUSCRIPT, ILLUMINATED 15TH CENTURY Sultan Saladin holding a scimitar. From "The Six Ages of the World". Code 0210005549 The British Library, London, Great Britain
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the 17 cent CE medal of Italian artist Giovani Paolo Lomazo and the painting of Giovani Paolo Lomazo show part of the Italian people to be metis/mulato.
Great find Mike I didnt know there was black Kurdish people.I didnt know Ayyubid Kurdish general Saladin was black.This morning AMC tv was playing the movie kingdom of heaven were the Chritian knight Templar and the Muslim lead by Saladin were fighting for Jerusalem. Saladin is show as a semite in the movie not black. 17 cent CE Historical artifact like the painting of Dutch painter Jan Lievens show Saladin is a black man.
Napoleon 1 stated history is European lie agreed upon.
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^What it shows is that like we have been saying, the Albinos took power only recently. The question is, what caused them to rebel, and kill off all of their Black Lords.
It really is uncomfortable, almost sickening, to see lioness flopping around, trying to find a workable lie. Poor sad creature.
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Mike you are the one who is lying & trying to steal other people's identities, histories, heritages, & homelands. Trying to claim all for your own people & leaving everyone else particularly Whites with nothing, no history, no heritage, no identity, no homeland, no pride. Typical of you & the rest of your Kill Whitey, White people hating, White people genocidist, Black racist ilk (Narmer, Ironcocksucker, Typezeiss, Mena7, Mali, Xyyman, Nontruthhitman, etc).
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quote:Originally posted by DHDoxies: Mike you are the one who is lying & trying to steal other people's identities, histories, heritages, & homelands. Trying to claim all for your own people & leaving everyone else particularly Whites with nothing, no history, no heritage, no identity, no homeland, no pride.
Typical of you & the rest of your Kill Whitey, White people hating, White people genocidist, Black racist ilk (Narmer, Ironcocksucker, Typezeiss, Mena7, Mali, Xyyman, Nontruthhitman, etc).
^Black roll of Honor!
But we don't hate Whitey, nor do we wish Whitey harm.
Are you familiar with the "Devils Island" concept? i.e. removing the most dangerous criminals from contact with normal people?
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On point as usual. After you mention it, yes, you are right. Clearly the depiction is the white woman being sold by the merchants to the buyers(blacks).
Man. Once mentally deprogrammed we see things differently.
Anyone knows Arabic? What does it say?
quote:Originally posted by Mike111:
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: 13th century book illustration produced in Baghdad by al Wasiti showing a slave market in the town of Zabid in Yemen . -note the date of this art and the fact it was made by Muslims
see if you can steer back tp Romans in Egypt topic. we've done the Turk thing hundreds of times
^Albinos deluding again!
Idiot, I see three Black guys and one White guy sitting down. The Black guy front left, seems to have a halo around his head.
Meanwhile some White guy on the left is dragging a White woman towards them, while a standing White guy on the right seems to be talking to them - maybe extolling the woman's talents?
The only one that could be a slave is the woman - what's your point, gender inequality?
Idiots in general:
CUSTOMERS "Sit" MERCHANTS "Stand" SLAVES "Do NOT sit" (unless it is a crowd control situation).
Negroes, tell the truth, how many of you believed that Albino bullsh1t?
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Quote: "maybe extolling the woman's talents" He! He! He! Got to admit they are good. He! He!
No holds barred.....
Clear depiction of why we lost the Middle East. ..........
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quote:Originally posted by xyyman: On point as usual. After you mention it, yes, you are right. Clearly the depiction is the white woman being sold by the merchants to the buyers (blacks).
Man. Once mentally deprogrammed we see things differently.
Anyone knows Arabic? What does it say?
Don't blame yourself, since birth, nearly every Albino that you came across was trying to teach you to think like that.
Now consider this:
If they were called what they are - Albinos, would you have been so quick to believe them?
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LOL, awww don't talk about yourself & your ilk (the above mentioned, oh forgot Kikuyu in that list) like that Mike, you may be Black racists, you may hate Whitey, you may be liars & history thieves,identity thieves, you may be mental but you aren't dangerous then again I could be wrong & you may be LOL. Again Mike we Whites are NOT Albinos everyone knows that you and your kill Whitey ilk only use Albino as a way to demean, degrade, belittle, & dehumanize us.
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quote:Originally posted by DHDoxies: Again Mike we Whites are NOT Albinos everyone knows that you and your kill Whitey ilk only use Albino as a way to demean, degrade, belittle, & dehumanize us.
Albinism Definition Albinism is an inherited condition present at birth, characterized by a lack of pigment that normally gives color to the skin, hair, and eyes. Many types of albinism exist, all of which involve lack of pigment in varying degrees. The condition, which is found in all races, may be accompanied by eye problems and may lead to skin cancer later in life.
Slave market, from Muslim manuscript of 13th c.. Published on L'Illustration, Journal Universel, Paris, 1860, drawing of Parent from collection of M. Schefer, professor at school of oriental languages
They seem to be negotiating . What appears to be a child is pointing to his open hand as if to indicate receiving something. At right the standing figure communictaing something with his hands
Now look at the top left figure. He has that same hand in that same finger pointing to hand position. "give me" perhaps
Of what appears to be slaves sitting in the middle there is a light skinned person in the back
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The progenitor of the Ayyubid dynasty was Najm ad-Din Ayyub bin Shadhi. He belonged to a Kurdish tribe whose ancestors settled in the town of Dvin, in northern Armenia. He belonged to the tribe of Rawadiya, itself a branch of the Hadhabani tribe. The Rawadiya were the dominant Kurdish group in the Dvin district. They were a member of the sedentary political-military elite of the town.
Circumstances became unfavorable in Dvin when Turkish generals seized the town from its Kurdish prince. Shadhi left for Iraq with his two sons Najm al-Din Ayyub and Asad al-Din Shirkuh. He was welcomed by his friend Mujahed al-Din Bihruz—the military governor of northern Mesopotamia under the Seljuks Turks — who appointed Shadhi as the governor of Tikrit.
The Hadhabani was a large medieval Kurdish tribe divided into several groups, centered at Arbil, Ushnu and Urmia in central and north-eastern Kurdistan. Their dominion included surrounding areas of Maragha and Urmia to the east, Salmas to the north and parts of Arbil and Mosul to the west.
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About 10th century they gradually immigrated northward to the areas around lake Urmia with Ushnu as their summer capital. They ruled the area for a while but later split to a few branches who spread across Azerbaijan (at the time Turks still had not invaded Azerbaijan), and Caucasus. Saladin the renowned Muslim ruler was descendant of one of Hadhabani branches.
Apparently the "REAL" unmixed Kurds, may have been descendants of of the Sumerians/Akkadians/Assyrians, or perhaps even the Colchians.
The Artaxiads is also a possibility.
The Artaxiads After the defeat of the Seleucid king Antiochus III, his two Armenian satraps, Artaxias (Artashes I) and Zariadres (Zareh), established themselves with Roman consent, as kings of Greater Armenia and Sophene respectively, thus becoming the creators of an independent Armenia. Artashes I (a Persian name) built his capital called Artashat, on the Aras River near modern Yerevan. The Greek geographer Strabo names the capital of Sophene as Carcathiocerta.
Tigranes II (The Great) An attempt to end the division of Armenia was made at about 165 B.C, when an Artaxiad ruler sought to suppress his rival, the attempt failed however, and it was left to his descendant Tigranes II (95 B.C.) to establish, by his conquest of Sophene, a unity that was to last almost 500 years.
Under Tigranes, Armenia ascended to a pinnacle of power unique in its history and became, albeit briefly, the strongest state in the Roman east. Extensive territories were taken from the kingdom of Parthia in Iran, which was compelled to sign a treaty of alliance. Iberia (Georgia), Albania, and Atropatene had already accepted Tigranes' suzerainty when the Aramaeans, tired of anarchy, offered him their crown (83 B.C.). And with that, Tigranes penetrated as far south as Canaan.
Armenian culture at the time of Tigranes was Persian, as it had been, and as it was fundamentally to remain for many centuries. The Armenian empire lasted until Tigranes became involved in a struggle between his father-in-law, Mithradates VI of Pontus and Rome.
The Roman general Lucius captured Tigranocerta, Tigranes' new capital in 69 B.C, but He failed to reach Artashat. But in 66 B.C, the legions of Pompey, aided by one of Tigranes' sons, succeeded in reaching Artashat. Tigrane was compelled to give up Syria and other conquests in the south, and to become an ally of Rome. Armenia thus became a buffer state, and often a battlefield between Rome and Parthia. Maneuvering between these two larger neighbors, the Armenians gained a reputation for deviousness. The Roman historian Tacitus called them an ambigua gens (“ambiguous people”).
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Leave me out of your ignorance. I don't hate white people. That is simply not true. There are good hard working honest white people out there. Trying to take care of their famlies just as black or any other colored people.
What I dislike is the lies told by the media. Which is essentially owned by Euros.
White people have played an important part in my career. So......
Quote: Typical of you & the rest of your Kill Whitey, White people hating, White people genocidist, Black racist ilk (Narmer, Ironcocksucker, Typezeiss, Mena7, Mali, Xyyman, Nontruthhitman, etc).Posts: 12143 | From: When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable | Registered: Jun 2007
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quote:Originally posted by xyyman: I looked at that painting several times in the past and never noticed those details.
Even this one. See the child and the dress of the black woman behind the child. She looks like nobility?
These details are right in front our faces but we believe the lies without questioning the authors.
Not sure if I understand your point xyyman:
The "Great Bath" depicted a communal bath which acted as a bath, a meeting place, and no doubt, a whore house too. Unlike a harem which was exclusively for the lord.
There are no Black women bathers in the picture, so this is obviously more a whorehouse for Turkish women.
The Black guy in the center has already chosen a woman and the one in red pants in the rear is just chatting up the girls.
The Black woman with the child is obviously a servant.
The woman sitting in the middle is sucking on a "Hash Pipe" the favorite paraphernalia of Harem Women and Whores.
Ordinarily there would be more men in the picture, but the painter decided he preferred more women.
Oriental harem paintings were moderately erotic but not too sexually explicit. They combined two traditions – Oriental (plane treatment of images; “carnal” colors; motley Eastern ornaments of clothes and draperies) and Western European (absence of “shocking” images; static character of subjects). Jean Leon Gerome (1824-1904) traveled extensively throughout Egypt, Turkey, Syria and Palestine and used those experiences to produce realistic pictures of the East. Fréderic Masson records an entertaining account by Gérôme (probably in a letter) of his experience:
During a stay in Bursa, I was taken by the architecture of the baths, and they certainly offered a chance to study nudes. It wasn’t just a question of going to see what was going on inside, and of replacing [some men by some women], I had to have a sketch of this interior; and since the temperature inside was rather high, I didn’t hesitate to sketch in the simple apparel of a beauty just aroused from her sleep—that is, in the buff. Sitting on my tripod, my paint box on my knees, my palette in my hand, I was a little grotesque, but you have to know how to adapt yourself as necessary. I had the idea of painting my portrait in this costume, but I dropped it, fearing that my image (dal vero) might get me too much attraction and launch me in a career as a Don Juan.
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Great Job Mike, I looked at that picture one hundred time during the last ten years in world history books, Islam history books, and children illustrated history books and believed the White authors of those books saying the portrait of Yemen slave market by Al Wasiti was about the selling of black African slaves.
Mike you discover the subtle lie of pale people and reinterpreted that picture very well.The picture is about pale Arab or Turkish slave merchants selling a pale Turkish slave girl to seated black Sabean/Yemenite/Arab noblemen.One of the Sabean/Arab buyer have a halo behind his head showing he is a holy man not a slave.The Sabean/Arab look, dress and hair look like the Ethiopian/Abyssinian of Africa.
It look like some light skin Berber and Arab people were ruled by black Sultan/King like the pale European were rule by a black nobility.In a drawing of 15 cent conception of Africa with white people held as slaves by Dapper s Naukenrige Beschryvinge der Afrikaensche you can see a black King seated on a camel with his cloak, scepter and Phrygian/bag hat.He is commanding pale berber or Arab/Turk holding European slaves.
In the movie Shaka Zulu the light skin Berber people Shaka Zulu was fighting had a black King with a crown with horn.I think some of the light skin Berber kingdoms(also black Berber/Moors)and Turkish/Mameluke kingdoms of North Africa were secretly ruled by black kings.
quote:Originally posted by xyyman: I looked at that painting several times in the past and never noticed those details.
Even this one. See the child and the dress of the black woman behind the child. She looks like nobility?
These details are right in front our faces but we believe the lies without questioning the authors.
^^^ all paintings by the same painter Jean Germoe
It's an Ottoman Turkish bathhouse. The black women are slave servants of the white harem girls who are also slaves. Their job is to wash them
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^^^ Also by Gerome the title the "Guard of the Harem"
This man's boring security job is to stand all day long in front of that door. he was castarted so he won't get any ideas about the girls. Look up >eunuch harem Turkish
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Rudolph Ernst, Harem Guard
Mike's alternative theory: all the above black people are nobles
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^ LOL Hate to admit that was funny. Jesus Mike, you really are a dumbass. No wonder Lioness likes you so much.
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quote:Originally posted by mena7: Great Job Mike, I looked at that picture one hundred time during the last ten years in world history books, Islam history books, and children illustrated history books and believed the White authors of those books saying the portrait of Yemen slave market by Al Wasiti was about the selling of black African slaves.
Mike you discover the subtle lie of pale people and reinterpreted that picture very well.The picture is about pale Arab or Turkish slave merchants selling a pale Turkish slave girl to seated black Sabean/Yemenite/Arab noblemen.One of the Sabean/Arab buyer have a halo behind his head showing he is a holy man not a slave.The Sabean/Arab look, dress and hair look like the Ethiopian/Abyssinian of Africa.
It look like some light skin Berber and Arab people were ruled by black Sultan/King like the pale European were rule by a black nobility.In a drawing of 15 cent conception of Africa with white people held as slaves by Dapper s Naukenrige Beschryvinge der Afrikaensche you can see a black King seated on a camel with his cloak, scepter and Phrygian/bag hat.He is commanding pale berber or Arab/Turk holding European slaves.
In the movie Shaka Zulu the light skin Berber people Shaka Zulu was fighting had a black King with a crown with horn.I think some of the light skin Berber kingdoms(also black Berber/Moors)and Turkish/Mameluke kingdoms of North Africa were secretly ruled by black kings.
mena7, Your world concept still seems a bit strained and confused. Zulus and Berbers are separated by thousands of miles.
But at least you are starting to realize that the Albinos have conditioned you to think in a certain way. Work with that, critically evaluate everything they tell you, whether directly or indirectly.
Also use common sense, those so-called Arab manuscripts show almost exclusively Albino people, but the reality is that the people in those places would have been overwhelmingly Black people. Obviously then they are not what you were told, they in fact may be completely bogus.
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