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Boxing is the number 1 sport for gauging physical superiority, man against man. For blacks, especially those African Americans in the USA, boxing has been a tremendous sport of pride, for it is the only sport where a black man can beat the hell out of an albino legally, and get paid to do it.
When a reporter asked Miles Davis, an huge boxing fan, what he'd like to do if told he only had 10 minutes left to live, Miles coolly responded; "If I had only 10 minutes left to live I'd like to spend it by choking the hell out of a white man".
All of the United States greatest boxing since the 1800s have been African Americans. Sure, Albinos attempt to shoe-in a couple token whites like Jack Dempsey, but anyone even half familiar with the sport understand that Dempsey doesn't belong on the list of All Time Greats.
Here is a list of The world's all time greatest boxers, starting from the 1900s to present.
1. Sugar Ray Robinson "Pound for Pound, #1" 2. Mohammed Ali "The Greatest & World's most recognized person" 3. Henry Armstrong "181 fights, 151 wins, and 101 knock outs" 4. Jack Johnson "First African American Heavyweight champion" 5. Sam Langford "256 fights, 180 wins, 128 KOs, 39 draws" 6. Joe Louis "US champion against the Nazis" 7. Roberto Duran "held world titles in 4 weight divisions" 8. Joe Frazier "Ali Vs Frazier- Fight Of The Century" 9. Lennox Lewis 10.Floyd Mayweather, Jr. "Largest purse ever in the sport"
As you can easily see, the list is largely comprised of African American and a Panamanian, Roberto Duran.
It is amazing in that, the US around 10% black population, yet the best boxers found in the world were African Americans.
Boxing is also the most racial polarizing of all sports. Fan racism can be hidden in other team sports because a team's members may be multi-racial, so whites and blacks may root for the same team. However, in boxing, with the exception of Joe Louis, where he represented the US against Nazi Germany, most often when a black is boxing against a white, the white majority will always root for the white, and there is little to no attempt to hide it. Mohammed Ali was so well known and so great because for blacks, he was a man of principle and pride, but for whites, he was the black man to beat. In a sport controlled by Jewish mobsters, the reason Mohammed Ali survived for so long can be attributed to his conversion to The Nation Of Islam, and the organizations rise in boxing political power. Only the NOI could stand up to and strike fear in the Jewish mob.
Floyd Mayweather deserves a position in the top ten mostly due to his going undefeated in his 19 year career, as well as earning more revenue than anyone else in the sport's history.
So, the fact that all the all time great boxers are African Americans leaves a huge mystery of why Africa has no representation on the list? After all, African Americans are just Africans stolen from their home countries, and boxing is a huge sport in Africa. So, why are African boxers missing from the list?
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The sport of boxing is huge in countries like the UK, Russia and Asia, but has waned in the United States since the feminisation of the American male. In the UK, even B level fighters draw audiences of 80,000, while in the USA that same fight would barely attract 8,000.
Boxing appeals to people from the lowest economic status up to the very top. Here we see one of the world's richest men, Warren Buffet, worth an estimated $65 Billion attending a boxing match in Omaha of Terence Crawford Vs John Molina. Terence Crawford is currently one of the best pound for pound boxers in the sport.
It's pretty amazing that Buffet, flanked by his two bytches, purchased tickets for the fight, not in the premium seats, but in 15th row cheap seats.
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Cuba's black population is much less than that of Brazil, yet Cuba has produced more outstanding boxers. There have been some very good black heavyweight boxers from Britain: Frank Bruno, Lennox Lewis and now Anthony Joshua. A great fight would be a young Iron Mike Tyson vs. Anthony Joshua.
One thing they have in common, African genes.
So, it must boil down to training conditions and sponsorships.
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quote:Originally posted by lamin: Training seems to be the answer.
Cuba's black population is much less than that of Brazil, yet Cuba has produced more outstanding boxers. There have been some very good black heavyweight boxers from Britain: Frank Bruno, Lennox Lewis and now Anthony Joshua. A great fight would be a young Iron Mike Tyson vs. Anthony Joshua.
One thing they have in common, African genes.
So, it must boil down to training conditions and sponsorships.
Cuba's Black population is "Self-aware" and assertive.
Brazil's is clueless and hoping for pity as they are being exterminated.
All humans have African genes - including European Albinos, whose African genes are NEWER than many.
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When debating the greatest heavyweights of all time, inside most boxing circles someone will inevitably start a comment with, “Well if Ike Ibeabuchi never went to prison…” For those unfamiliar with heavyweight boxing in the 90s, Ike Ibeabuchi was one of the top prospects in the sport’s most revered division, boasting a very solid 20-0 record with 15KOs by, and bested the then undefeated David Tua and eventual IBF Heavyweight champion Chris Byrd in devastating fashion. In fact, Ibeabuchi’s knockdown punch on Bryd is one of the most brutal punches I’ve ever seen landed in boxing. Many also prospected that he would have won against the likes of Mike Tyson and Lennox Lewis had his career not been cut short.....
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Africa currently have no boxers on the world All Time great list, which to me is very puzzling, since Africa has a magnitude more blacks than the United States.
So, percentage wise, Africa should have at least an equal number of All Time Great boxers, but statistically they should have many more.
One of the very best boxers out of Africa in recent times was Heavy-weight boxing contender, Ike Ibeabuchi out of Nigeria. Ike Ibeabuchi was well on his way to becoming a world heavyweight champion after his defeat on New Zealand's David Tua.
I, a huge Ibeabuchi fan, believed that Ike would not only beat both Klitscho brothers and gain a HW championship, but had the ability and skills to eventually be placed in the World's top 20 All Time Great list of boxers.
Following his amazing defeat of Tua in an epic HW battle, Ibeabuchi was on the fast path of facing the Russian Klitscho brothers, who I definitely though he would defeat, but then something happened to not only derail Ibeabuchi's boxing career, but also to deny him his freedom with an 8 year prison sentence.
Ibeabuchi fell prey to the same Jewish Mobster set-up that entrapped Mike Tyson and many other African-American boxers. The tried and true: Send a hooker to scream rape set-up that the Jewish Mob has successfully used to entrap US black boxers since the early 1900s.
With Ibeabuchi imprisoned and out of the way, and David Tua tied up in legal managerial stasis by his Jewish manager, the path was open and clear for the Russian Klitscho brothers (Products of Russian KGB genetic experiments) with no worthy opposition, to gain and retain all the world HW titles and to hold them for the next 10 years, generating 100s of millions of dollars of revenue.
By the time the albinos allowed Ibeabuchi to go free, his prime years were far behind, and he weighed in at an out of boxing weight of over 300 lbs.
Ibeabuchi's mother, a registered nurse is on record as stating that her son was fed all kinds of Antidepressant drugs were incarcerated, and that these drugs have completely impaired her son's mind.
The story of Ike Ibeabuchi: The dream that never was
Note, in the interview Ms. Ibeabuchi mentions Top Rank Boxing Promotion, which is run by a Zionist Jew Mobster named Bob Arum. Arum is the same Jew who promotes Manny Pacquaio and has mismanaged Pacquaio into owing over $65M in back taxes, while Arum collects 30% off the top of all pacquaio earnings. Just for reference, Pacqauio earned over $100M for his fight against Mayweather, meaning for that one fight alone, Bob Arum made over $30M off of Pac for that one fight.
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Well Boxing has nothing to do with genes, I think.
Like all martial arts physical conditioning is compulsory (70 % of a fight's outcome depends on endurance and strenght).(English)Boxing and Muay Thai Boxing are highly energy draining, and consequently their conditioning is the best out here. Plus you have to respect your body with diets and effective rest.
Boxing is an art and a science: footsteps, combinations, bobbing and weaving, strategy etc
Afro Americans boxers were the best not because of their genes but of their effective training, and their willingness to train hard.
Just look at Mike Tyson, when he started chasing women and gave up his hard training sessions, he became a "common" boxer.
Sugar Ray Robinson was AMAZING, looking at some of his documentaries in YouTube: his style inspired the Great Muhammad Ali who acknowledged that Robinson was the best POP boxer ever.
Thomas Hearns who KO'd Roberto Duran in a NASTY way or Marvin Hagler were also fierce fighters. Frazier, Foreman, Holyfield...AAs produced GREAT fighters, and USA is the mecca of boxing.
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Well Boxing has nothing to do with genes, I think. Boxing is an art and a science: footsteps, combinations, bobbing and weaving, strategy etc
Afro Americans boxers were the best not because of their genes but of their effective training, and their willingness to train hard.
. Nehesy - was it really that much trouble to do a little research before opining on something that you really don't know anything about?
As the original humans, Blacks have all of the attributes developed by "HOMO's" over the time of our existence.
Part of this human development was the ability to feature development of "FAST TWITCH" (speed and power) or "SLOW TWITCH" (Endurance) muscles, depending on environment and need.
None of the Albino derived races have these attributes in the same measure.
Google "fast twitch muscles genetics" For info and studies.
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Well Boxing has nothing to do with genes, I think. Boxing is an art and a science: footsteps, combinations, bobbing and weaving, strategy etc
Afro Americans boxers were the best not because of their genes but of their effective training, and their willingness to train hard.
. Nehesy - was it really that much trouble to do a little research before opining on something that you really don't know anything about?
As the original humans, Blacks have all of the attributes developed by "HOMO's" over the time of our existence.
Part of this human development was the ability to feature development of "FAST TWITCH" (speed and power) or "SLOW TWITCH" (Endurance) muscles, depending on environment and need.
None of the Albino derived races have these attributes in the same measure.
Google "fast twitch muscles genetics" For info and studies.
Mike,
17 years of Martial Arts (started in 1999) and still practicing :
- 10 years of Indonesian Penchak Silat (Setia Hati Terate, Wali Songo, Cimande)...
- Muay Thai Boxing since 2008...I train in a camp called Derek Boxing (Paris Suburb) with many World Champions or Former World Champions...Joel Cesar, Danny Bill, Gregory Choplin etc,etc
So in conclusion, Mike in terms of Martial Arts and Boxing I could give some lessons for sure...Young, Fit, Strong and Trained...
PS1: I never speak about something I don't know, this is what we call humility...I'll have a look at your information though...
PS2: Kovalev beat the hell out of brother Ward, even with his "albino" derived genes...
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^Albinos beat the hell out of dumb niggers the world over, who though they didn't have anything to worry about with those colorless Albinos. Dealing with a "prepared" Black man is another thing entirely for the Albino.
Btw - someone posted a youtube video of two teenagers - one Black, one Albino, play boxing in the middle of a suburban street. The Black kid was into showing his speed and skill, so he never threw a punch, just bobbed and weaved his head when the Albino kid threw his punches.
I always wish that I had kept that video as an example of the Dumb Nigger.
Because of course, given enough chances, anyone can connect with a lucky punch.
That Albino boy knocked that young Negro OUT!
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quote:Originally posted by Nehesy: Well Boxing has nothing to do with genes, I think.
Like all martial arts physical conditioning is compulsory (70 % of a fight's outcome depends on endurance and strenght).(English)Boxing and Muay Thai Boxing are highly energy draining, and consequently their conditioning is the best out here. Plus you have to respect your body with diets and effective rest.
Boxing is an art and a science: footsteps, combinations, bobbing and weaving, strategy etc
Afro Americans boxers were the best not because of their genes but of their effective training, and their willingness to train hard.
Just look at Mike Tyson, when he started chasing women and gave up his hard training sessions, he became a "common" boxer.
Sugar Ray Robinson was AMAZING, looking at some of his documentaries in YouTube: his style inspired the Great Muhammad Ali who acknowledged that Robinson was the best POP boxer ever.
Thomas Hearns who KO'd Roberto Duran in a NASTY way or Marvin Hagler were also fierce fighters. Frazier, Foreman, Holyfield...AAs produced GREAT fighters, and USA is the mecca of boxing.
You're wrong. Boxing, as well as many other sports has much to do with genetics. Strength, reflexes, endurance, are all predetermined by genetic composition.
As example, it is a biological fact that black women birth children with 30% higher bone density than white women. Bigger bones can carry larger muscles.
Also, muscle twitch factor (reflexes) are dependent on the time the brain sends signalling to the muscle via neuromuscular melanin interconnects. This is accomplished by Eumelanin in spinal fluid which connects the brain to all other parts of the body.
Whites knew there is a genetic difference between blacks and whites early in the 1700s, and in the US, sports competition between whites and blacks was illegal until the early 1900s. Even in the 1940s NBA/ABA Basketball teams were comprised of all whites (Jews), and it was a sad thing to watch. The sport didn't become popular until the 1950s when Blacks began being integrated into basketball teams. When blacks were allowed in there was no longer a place for Jews. They simply could not compete.
Same with Boxing. This is why today you see all Russian boxers being caught using steroids and PEDs (Performance Enhancing Drugs) to counter their genetic short comings. Without artificial enhancement, Russians and whites in general just cannot compete with the naturally gifted black athletes.
The same is true for Martial Arts, but don't confuse Martial arts with the sport of boxing. They are not the same. Very few Martial Artists can successfully make the transition to boxing. Buddha introduced Martial arts into Asia, not as a combat sport, but to help strengthen weak albino bodies and minds.
Being from Russia, there is a 90% probability that Kovalev, Golovkin and both Klitscho brothers are products of long term steroids and PED usage. It has been proven that steroid and PED use has been mandated in Russia from Putin on down with severe penalties given to Russian athletes who don't comply. This is why they were totally banned from competing in the RIO Olympics.
However, I have wondered why all the world's greatest boxers are African American and none African. African Americans (and African-Cubans, Brazilian, Afro-Britains, etc.) beat up every other country in the world, but today's native Africans get beaten silly by Russians, Americans, and even Asians.
I have a couple theories of why this is and will post them shortly.
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quote:Originally posted by Narmerthoth: today's native Africans get beaten silly by Russians, Americans, and even Asians.
I have a couple theories of why this is and will post them shortly.
. I will recount something I saw on T.V. many years ago. It was some kind of martial arts championship. An African with a beautiful physique was pitted against an Asian - perhaps Japanese.
As the match started the African took up the supposedly classic stance of sideways with left leg extended and bent at the knees and right leg back with foot perpendicular for balance.
The Asian man merely used the top of his foot to slap at the calf muscle of the African.
The African recoiled at the slap, then returned to his original position.
The Asian man again used the top of his foot to slap at the calf muscle of the African.
The African again recoiled at the slap, then returned to his original position.
The Asian man again used the top of his foot to slap at the calf muscle of the African.
The African again recoiled at the slap, then TRIED to returned to his original position - but could not, his calf muscle was in spasm and locked-up.
In that one encounter we see the foundations of much of Africa's problems.
They take the word of others at face value, without though, nor intent to improve upon what they were taught. Thus they are always two steps back.
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^ This is technique that works on many boxers, because boxers aren't trained and prepared for calf and shin strikes.
Ali did an exhibition bout with a Martial artist back in the 1960s or 70s and the Asian martial artist used the same technique of attacking the calf and shin. Although Ali was the greatest boxer, he was totally unprepared for this. The basic sweep is another technique boxers are susceptible to. They don't see it coming and next thing you know, they are on their back.
When I grew up, I had a friend who was older than me and was a master in Chinese and Korean martial arts. He held a belt in Taekwondo that was black, but had red strips. There were many brothers who held black belts, but his ranked higher, thus the red strips. I used to watch him do calf and shin strikes against a wooden pole, repetitively. This is conditioning his calves for these type of strikes, as well as his offence to apply those strikes.
Being from the hood, this brother was a natural boxer and coupled with his martial arts skills, he was a virtually unbeatable brother. I used to think, this brother could probably beat Bruce Lee. He practised Buddhism and used to always tell me that martial arts aren't any good without applying the spiritual aspects.
The technique used above and on Ali won't have worked on him.
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quote:Originally posted by IronLion: Mike and Narmer
This is 2017. AAs have this Trump and KKK problem to deal with. And you guys are still dumping it on the Africans?? Eh?
Whats up brothers?
IronLion
If you can refute the historic international boxing data, then refute it. Else, stop being defensive in the face of facts and offer so context to why African boxers fall so short.
I ALWAYS root for the African against the Russian or European, but they always let me down, and I'm tired of it. I'm tired of rooting for the African only to see some Albino beat them down. Don't believe me. Just watch British Boxing where there are a greater number of African boxers than in the US, boxing against British and Russian albinos.
It can't be genetics. They have the same genetics as their African American ATG counterparts. It can't be management and training. Like you said, it's 2017, so they have the choice to get the same managers and trainers. Is it the mindset? Possibly. Is it diet? Possible.
Then you can look at tiny Cuba who have the best Afro-Cuban boxers in the world. Russian boxers fear Cuba's black boxers. So the genetics of Cubans and African Americans in boxing seem on par.
All I know is Africans have been competing in international boxing as long as African Americans and logically, they should be equally, if not greater represented in the International Boxing ATG list, but they aren't. In fact, there are none there, which is extremely puzzling.
Why do YOU think they aren't?
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quote:Originally posted by Narmerthoth: Then you can look at tiny Cuba who have the best Afro-Cuban boxers in the world. Russian boxers fear Cuba's black boxers. So the genetics of Cubans and African Americans in boxing seem on par.
. Blacks in the Americas represent survivors of mass murder in Europe and the Americas, and then, often the enslavement of survivors. They also survived the most brutal treatment; including transportation from Africa. Not to mention the use of disease as a weapon of war. Thus the American Black is genetically the best of the best.
Point being - the American hemisphere Black is quite different from all others.
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Mike, I'm thinking as I have posted before, that no matter how inhumane African slavery was, in the end it was still a huge business. With any business you differentiate your products by quality. I.E., Premium, medium, low quality. The grade of the product dictates the price. Therefore, as we know, Slaves with in-demand skills would offer a premium price over those who were just basic grunts. So, slaves with skills in Engineering, architecture, Agriculture and other disciplines would offer the highest price over those who were just general labourers. It's highly improbable that slavers would target the weakest and least skilled for sale to a country in it's infancy, with a deficiency of skilled labor. For one, the weakest had less chance of surviving the voyage, and if they did, they would go for a low price.
We know that Jews are all about profit. We know that Jews were the albinos who were best at selecting the natives and also owned the ships that transported them. We know that Jews owned many of the auction houses selling slaves and that Jews were the ones selling and setting the selling price of slaves.
Think about it.
Is it possible that skilled slaves were most in-demand for a country being built and needing skilled labor to build it? Is it possible that this demand actually depleted Africa of it's most skilled talents, shipping them to America, Europe and the Islands?
These people were probably also the leaders of African nations, so by kidnapping and shipping them off, the Europeans were really killing two birds with one stone. first, by getting Africans as products with skills that command the highest price, and secondly, to ship off those who were most capable of organizing resistance to rebel against the invaders.
I don't doubt that for some Africans, they were pleased to see them go, because now they could rise to positions they would otherwise had no chance of filling.
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quote:Originally posted by Narmerthoth: It's highly improbable that slavers would target the weakest and least skilled for sale to a country in it's infancy, with a deficiency of skilled labor. For one, the weakest had less chance of surviving the voyage, and if they did, they would go for a low price.
. I find it interesting that after all these years of discussion and copious evidence, you and many others, still can't intellectually accept that what the Albinos taught you over much of your lifetime WAS A LIE!
Except in Brazil and a few of the Caribbean Islands, most Black Americans are Natives Americans or Europeans.
But you are quite correct about the skills of slaves:
That is why I so denigrate the Southern Albino for his abject stupidity.
The Plantation owner was intent on having his plantation "Self-sufficient" needing neither outside goods nor outside skill.
Thus the only job one of those dumb bastards could ever hope to get was as an "Overseer". How many of those do you think were needed?
But those ass-holes took their pink asses to be slaughtered in war, and those that didn't go willingly were forced or killed.
After the slaughter was over, those dumb bastards then convinced themselves that they had done something NOBLE - ha,ha,ha.
Imagine that, killed by the hundreds of thousands so you wouldn't be able to get a job: then your dumb-assed descendants celebrate your stupidity by clinging to the flag you were duped with.
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In eighteenth-century America, planters expected to have a large number of skilled slaves as well as common laborers. “I have my Flocks and my Herds, my Bond-men and Bond-women, and every sort of Trade amongst my own Servants,” wrote William Byrd II in 1727, who expressed an ideal of being able to “live in a kind of Independence”. James Grant described a similar attitude as existing in the lower South, including South Carolina and Georgia: “the Planter has Tradesmen of all kinds in his Gang of Slaves, and ‘tis a Rule with them, never to pay Money for what can be made upon their Estates, not a Lock, a Hinge or a Nail if they can avoid it.” In other words, planters expected enslaved people to perform a wide range of jobs that included carpenter, cooper, boatman, cook, seamstress, and blacksmith, to mention only a few of the skilled functions required around plantations.
Talented slaves also ensured the planters’ personal comfort, as in the case of expert and sensitive body servants. Both George Washington and Thomas Jefferson had accomplished cooks, and Jefferson’s was French-trained.
(How do you suppose an African taken from the Bush, got training as a French Chef)?
One could not readily dispense with such people. Whether they were making boats or barrels, building barns or houses, making furniture (either fine or just functional), being able to make or repair harnesses or do other leatherwork, or various kinds of ironwork, people with artisanal capability were in short supply in the eighteenth century and not everywhere in the nineteenth: further, Whites ones were expensive where found. Of course, the possession of these skills gave slaves leverage because planters desired to keep them at home, and at work, rather than run away. Thus a slave's skill level and value to the master often determined how he/she was treated.
Skilled Blacks, both free and hired-out slave, were instrumental in building the U.S. Capital and White House, as well as perhaps the majority of buildings and Bridges in the antebellum South, including:
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So in truth, skilled Blacks, both free and slave, were an integral part of Southern life. The Colonial Williamsburg Foundation collected this list of advertisements for Black workers and Tradesmen found in the Virginia Gazette by year in which it appeared.
Baker Negro baker for trade. 2/26/1780 Baker Negro baker for trade. 2/19/1780 Baker Negro baker for trade. 2/12/1780 Blacksmith Negro blacksmith for hire. 8/14/1779 Blacksmith Negro blacksmith for hire. 8/7/1779 Blacksmith Negro blacksmith for hire. 7/24/1779 Blacksmith Negro blacksmith for hire. 4/16/1779 Ironworker Negro workers wanted. 12/19/1777 Ironworker Negro workers wanted. 12/5/1777 Ironworker Negro workers wanted. 12/5/1777 Ironworker Negro workers wanted. 11/28/1777 Weaver Manufactory seeking negro child apprentices. 11/28/1777 Ironworker Negro workers, all trades, wanted. 11/14/1777 Ironworker Negro workers, all trades, wanted. 11/7/1777 Ironworker Negro workers, all trades, wanted. 10/31/1777 Carpenter Carpenters (white and negro) wanted. 8/1/1777 Carpenter Carpenters (white and negro) wanted. 7/25/1777 Carpenter House carpenters, Negro carpenters wanted. 4/11/1777 Carpenter Carpenters (white and negro) wanted. 4/11/1777 Carpenter Carpenters (white and negro) wanted. 4/4/1777 Carpenter House carpenters, Negro carpenters wanted. 3/28/1777 Carpenter Carpenters (white and negro) wanted. 3/28/1777 Carpenter Carpenters (white and negro) wanted. 3/21/1777 Carpenter House carpenters, Negro carpenters wanted. 3/21/1777 Saltmaker Negro workers wanted. 3/14/1777 Ironworker Negro workers wanted. 3/7/1777 Ironworker Negro workers wanted. 2/28/1777 Ironworker Negro workers wanted. 2/21/1777 Saltmaker Repayment of debts to come; Negros wanted. 2/21/1777 Ironworker Seeks Negro workers. 2/21/1777 Ironworker Seeks Negro workers. 2/14/1777 Joiner Shop joiners, negro carpenters wanted. 1/31/1777 Blacksmith Negro blacksmith for hire. 1/31/1777 Blacksmith Negro blacksmith for hire. 1/24/1777 Blacksmith Negro blacksmith for hire. 1/17/1777 Joiner Very faint; shop joiners, negro carpenters wanted. 1/17/1777 Joiner Shop joiners, negro carpenters wanted. 1/10/1777 Carpenter Negro carpenters wanted. 4/5/1776 Carpenter Negro carpenters wanted. 3/29/1776 Carpenter Negro carpenters wanted. 3/22/1776 Blacksmith Negro blacksmith for hire. 2/9/1776 Blacksmith Negro blacksmith for hire. 2/2/1776 Blacksmith "Valuable Negro Blacksmith" to be hired. 1/27/1776 Blacksmith Negro blacksmith for hire. 1/26/1776 Carpenter Negro carpenter for hire. 1/5/1776 Blacksmith Negro blacksmith wanted. 11/21/1771 Blacksmith Negro blacksmith wanted. 11/14/1771 Blacksmith Negro blacksmith wanted. 11/7/1771 Musician Negro musician wanted for hire or purchase. 10/5/1769 Musician Negro musician wanted for hire or purchase. 9/21/1769 Musician Negro musician wanted for hire or purchase. 9/14/1769 Carpenter "Four Negro Carpenters" from deceased man's estate 4/6/1769 Carpenter "Four Negro Carpenters" from deceased man's estate 3/9/1769 Carpenter "Four Negro Carpenters" from deceased man's estate 2/23/1769
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All I know is Africans have been competing in international boxing as long as African Americans ..... which is extremely puzzling.
Why do YOU think they aren't?
Can you be specific regarding the information above. When did AAs start competing in international boxing? When did Africans start? With sources if possible...
Waiting...
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most Black Americans are Natives Americans or Europeans.
So most "African Americans" are not African
Most were tricked into thinking they were African
Most are actually Natives Americans or Black Europeans but just by coincidence they both look African
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quote:Originally posted by Narmerthoth: Then you can look at tiny Cuba who have the best Afro-Cuban boxers in the world. Russian boxers fear Cuba's black boxers. So the genetics of Cubans and African Americans in boxing seem on par.
. Blacks in the Americas represent survivors of mass murder in Europe and the Americas, and then, often the enslavement of survivors. They also survived the most brutal treatment; including transportation from Africa. Not to mention the use of disease as a weapon of war. Thus the American Black is genetically the best of the best.
Point being - the American hemisphere Black is quite different from all others.
No. going by the same logic you use for Africans AAs are fucking losers because they lost three continents to obviously "weaker albinos". Europe and the 2 Americas.
AAs must be worse off in the mind set than Africans who lost just one continent, and Indians who lost half a continent.
AAs were genocided, then enslaved, then the jim crowed, then the kkk-ed, then lynched; which persists today and manifests as those public lynchings and killings by police.
Again and again the weak albino wallops our collective AA asses.
Is that a sign of strength and superiority? Is there a link there to your dislike of Africans?
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The black race is the most hated race on planet earth and black people being the most hated race on planet earth should stick together instead of trying to pick tribes and races that they do not among themselves.
We do not have the luxury of refusing to cooperate because we believe we are black Europeans rather than Africans, or black Asians against black South America.
Nomatter how black European your black ass maybe, you are still a black man to any pink ass European. He dont give a **** which tribe you think you belong, and would shoot you just like he would shoot a black Australian, given the chance.
This divisive philosophy is disgraceful and should cease!
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quote:Originally posted by Mike111: So in truth, skilled Blacks, both free and slave, were an integral part of Southern life. The Colonial Williamsburg Foundation collected this list of advertisements for Black workers and Tradesmen found in the Virginia Gazette by year in which it appeared.
Baker Negro baker for trade. 2/26/1780 Baker Negro baker for trade. 2/19/1780 Baker Negro baker for trade. 2/12/1780 Blacksmith Negro blacksmith for hire. 8/14/1779 Blacksmith Negro blacksmith for hire. 8/7/1779 Blacksmith Negro blacksmith for hire. 7/24/1779 Blacksmith Negro blacksmith for hire. 4/16/1779 Ironworker Negro workers wanted. 12/19/1777 Ironworker Negro workers wanted. 12/5/1777 Ironworker Negro workers wanted. 12/5/1777 Ironworker Negro workers wanted. 11/28/1777 Weaver Manufactory seeking negro child apprentices. 11/28/1777 Ironworker Negro workers, all trades, wanted. 11/14/1777 Ironworker Negro workers, all trades, wanted. 11/7/1777 Ironworker Negro workers, all trades, wanted. 10/31/1777 Carpenter Carpenters (white and negro) wanted. 8/1/1777 Carpenter Carpenters (white and negro) wanted. 7/25/1777 Carpenter House carpenters, Negro carpenters wanted. 4/11/1777 Carpenter Carpenters (white and negro) wanted. 4/11/1777 Carpenter Carpenters (white and negro) wanted. 4/4/1777 Carpenter House carpenters, Negro carpenters wanted. 3/28/1777 Carpenter Carpenters (white and negro) wanted. 3/28/1777 Carpenter Carpenters (white and negro) wanted. 3/21/1777 Carpenter House carpenters, Negro carpenters wanted. 3/21/1777 Saltmaker Negro workers wanted. 3/14/1777 Ironworker Negro workers wanted. 3/7/1777 Ironworker Negro workers wanted. 2/28/1777 Ironworker Negro workers wanted. 2/21/1777 Saltmaker Repayment of debts to come; Negros wanted. 2/21/1777 Ironworker Seeks Negro workers. 2/21/1777 Ironworker Seeks Negro workers. 2/14/1777 Joiner Shop joiners, negro carpenters wanted. 1/31/1777 Blacksmith Negro blacksmith for hire. 1/31/1777 Blacksmith Negro blacksmith for hire. 1/24/1777 Blacksmith Negro blacksmith for hire. 1/17/1777 Joiner Very faint; shop joiners, negro carpenters wanted. 1/17/1777 Joiner Shop joiners, negro carpenters wanted. 1/10/1777 Carpenter Negro carpenters wanted. 4/5/1776 Carpenter Negro carpenters wanted. 3/29/1776 Carpenter Negro carpenters wanted. 3/22/1776 Blacksmith Negro blacksmith for hire. 2/9/1776 Blacksmith Negro blacksmith for hire. 2/2/1776 Blacksmith "Valuable Negro Blacksmith" to be hired. 1/27/1776 Blacksmith Negro blacksmith for hire. 1/26/1776 Carpenter Negro carpenter for hire. 1/5/1776 Blacksmith Negro blacksmith wanted. 11/21/1771 Blacksmith Negro blacksmith wanted. 11/14/1771 Blacksmith Negro blacksmith wanted. 11/7/1771 Musician Negro musician wanted for hire or purchase. 10/5/1769 Musician Negro musician wanted for hire or purchase. 9/21/1769 Musician Negro musician wanted for hire or purchase. 9/14/1769 Carpenter "Four Negro Carpenters" from deceased man's estate 4/6/1769 Carpenter "Four Negro Carpenters" from deceased man's estate 3/9/1769 Carpenter "Four Negro Carpenters" from deceased man's estate 2/23/1769
. African Slaves would not have had these types of skills.
Sure, I think that Africans would have possessed these skills, and more.
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All I know is Africans have been competing in international boxing as long as African Americans ..... which is extremely puzzling.
Why do YOU think they aren't?
Can you be specific regarding the information above. When did AAs start competing in international boxing? When did Africans start? With sources if possible...
Waiting...
Boxing is and always has been very popular in England since the 1500s.
Africans were colonized by the English and everywhere the English went (Africa, Asia, India) they took their boxing rules and set up boxing between the natives. Today's boxing is based on England's Queensberry Boxing rules as defined in 1867.
Boxing existed in Africa well before England's existence, but today, boxing is in accordance with the English rules.
As I said, IMHO, for the most part African and African Americans are genetically identical. So, why aren't Africans whipping Albino ass like their African American cousins? It's a valid question.
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quote:Originally posted by Narmerthoth: Then you can look at tiny Cuba who have the best Afro-Cuban boxers in the world. Russian boxers fear Cuba's black boxers. So the genetics of Cubans and African Americans in boxing seem on par.
. Blacks in the Americas represent survivors of mass murder in Europe and the Americas, and then, often the enslavement of survivors. They also survived the most brutal treatment; including transportation from Africa. Not to mention the use of disease as a weapon of war. Thus the American Black is genetically the best of the best.
Point being - the American hemisphere Black is quite different from all others.
No. going by the same logic you use for Africans AAs are fucking losers because they lost three continents to obviously "weaker albinos". Europe and the 2 Americas.
AAs must be worse off in the mind set than Africans who lost just one continent, and Indians who lost half a continent.
AAs were genocided, then enslaved, then the jim crowed, then the kkk-ed, then lynched; which persists today and manifests as those public lynchings and killings by police.
Again and again the weak albino wallops our collective AA asses.
Is that a sign of strength and superiority? Is there a link there to your dislike of Africans?
If what Mike is saying proves true, then they aren't technically AAs and I can't immediately think of an appropriate label. Perhaps Mike already has.
However, if they are AAs or not isn't my question.
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quote:Originally posted by IronLion: The black race is the most hated race on planet earth and black people being the most hated race on planet earth should stick together instead of trying to pick tribes and races that they do not among themselves.
We do not have the luxury of refusing to cooperate because we believe we are black Europeans rather than Africans, or black Asians against black South America.
Nomatter how black European your black ass maybe, you are still a black man to any pink ass European. He dont give a **** which tribe you think you belong, and would shoot you just like he would shoot a black Australian, given the chance.
This divisive philosophy is disgraceful and should cease!
Actually, the hate is in your own mind. In my experience, blacks are the most envied of all so-called races. Although we are envied, we are disrespected because we allow ourselves to be abused when we clearly are physically superior, but mentally dysfunctional. Our sad condition is no one's fault but our own.
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All I know is Africans have been competing in international boxing as long as African Americans ..... which is extremely puzzling.
Why do YOU think they aren't?
Can you be specific regarding the information above. When did AAs start competing in international boxing? When did Africans start? With sources if possible...
Waiting...
Boxing is and always has been very popular in England since the 1500s.
Africans were colonized by the English and everywhere the English went (Africa, Asia, India) they took their boxing rules and set up boxing between the natives. Today's boxing is based on England's Queensberry Boxing rules as defined in 1867.
Boxing existed in Africa well before England's existence, but today, boxing is in accordance with the English rules.
As I said, IMHO, for the most part African and African Americans are genetically identical. So, why aren't Africans whipping Albino ass like their African American cousins? It's a valid question.
You side stepped my question because you had no answer.
I will help you.
AAs began participating in Western style international boxing in the late 19 century.
Africans got into the game in the 1950s.
AAs should thus be more experienced. AA boxers have had the benefits of world class gyms, world class coaches and world class promoters which are not generally accessible to African boxers.
Western style Boxing, just like western soccer, just like western basket ball games, is a western game not an African game. Africans in the field are learning the rules of something very alien to their culture.
Genetic disposition is honed by good training facilities which lack in African petty states. Promotion is the life blood of most boxers and there is none in Africa.
In any case, no Kenyan has called you mentally lame because you cannot compete with them in long distance races.
Seen?
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quote:Originally posted by IronLion: The black race is the most hated race on planet earth and black people being the most hated race on planet earth should stick together instead of trying to pick tribes and races that they do not among themselves.
We do not have the luxury of refusing to cooperate because we believe we are black Europeans rather than Africans, or black Asians against black South America.
Nomatter how black European your black ass maybe, you are still a black man to any pink ass European. He dont give a **** which tribe you think you belong, and would shoot you just like he would shoot a black Australian, given the chance.
This divisive philosophy is disgraceful and should cease!
Actually, the hate is in your own mind. In my experience, blacks are the most envied of all so-called races. Although we are envied, we are disrespected because we allow ourselves to be abused when we clearly are physically superior, but mentally dysfunctional. Our sad condition is no one's fault but our own.
Collective responsibility is alright. The type of divisiveness that Mike has practiced on this forum for a while now is disgusting.
Together we make it or sink.
And by the way, "envy" is not too far off from "hate". Both indicate a feeling of resentment...
quote:Envy: a feeling of discontented or resentful longing aroused by someone else's possessions, qualities, or luck....
All I know is Africans have been competing in international boxing as long as African Americans ..... which is extremely puzzling.
Why do YOU think they aren't?
Can you be specific regarding the information above. When did AAs start competing in international boxing? When did Africans start? With sources if possible...
Waiting...
Boxing is and always has been very popular in England since the 1500s.
Africans were colonized by the English and everywhere the English went (Africa, Asia, India) they took their boxing rules and set up boxing between the natives. Today's boxing is based on England's Queensberry Boxing rules as defined in 1867.
Boxing existed in Africa well before England's existence, but today, boxing is in accordance with the English rules.
As I said, IMHO, for the most part African and African Americans are genetically identical. So, why aren't Africans whipping Albino ass like their African American cousins? It's a valid question.
You side stepped my question because you had no answer.
I will help you.
AAs began participating in Western style international boxing in the late 19 century.
Africans got into the game in the 1950s.
AAs should thus be more experienced. AA boxers have had the benefits of world class gyms, world class coaches and world class promoters which are not generally accessible to African boxers.
Western style Boxing, just like western soccer, just like western basket ball games, is a western game not an African game. Africans in the field are learning the rules of something very alien to their culture.
Genetic disposition is honed by good training facilities which lack in African petty states. Promotion is the life blood of most boxers and there is none in Africa.
In any case, no Kenyan has called you mentally lame because you cannot compete with them in long distance races.
Seen?
I didn't side step anything. You are just in defensive mode and refuse to acknowledge the data. It doesn't matter when AAs or Africans entered into international competition. They both have been boxing long before then. American boxing didn't start with Jack Johnson in the early 1900s. African slaves in America have been boxing since they arrived in America and even before.
As a cultural aspect of slavery, sports were an extremely important element of life for the American slave. The competition and athleticism provided through sports granted slaves healthy outlets for aggression and enjoyment with and away from their masters. Although slaves primarily participated in sports on their own time and own terms, occasionally the masters of the plantations would pit their strongest and most valiant slave against a slave from a neighboring plantation in boxing or wrestling matches.[51] These events were prominent among southern plantations and served as forms of entertainment for slave masters and their families as well as the slaves living in the area. Owners predominantly purchased male slaves for their strength and physical prowess. Their white counterparts throughout the country were often times astounded by the brute force and strength presented by the slaves both shipped from Africa and those bred domestically.[52] These slaves were not only efficient field hands but they also made for entertaining competitors within the confines of the ring. The excitement among the plantations would brew as the boxing matches were intense, bare-knuckled brawls filled with violence and blood.[53] Ultimately, the plantation owner whose slave was crowned victor of the match would take the losing slave home. The loser, in other words, was the bet in these competitions. Sports in Shackles: The Athletic and Recreational Habits of Slaves on Southern Plantations Jon Griffith
Africans have been boxing well before Whites discovered the African continent. We didn't just begin boxing when whites allowed us to compete with them, but thousands of years before.
Using those late dates for AAs and Africans in boxing is an excuse because you are afraid to acknowledge and address the issue I presented.
quote:Sure, I think that Africans would have possessed these skills, and more.
Yes, Africa had long entered the Iron Age. The Benin Bronzes, Nok Terracotta, and Ife Art in wood and metal all testify to that. The skilled carvings from all over West Africa, the existence of towns with protective gates long exited before the Atlantic trade. Example: the Walled City of Kano.
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quote:Originally posted by Nehesy: Well Boxing has nothing to do with genes, I think.
Like all martial arts physical conditioning is compulsory (70 % of a fight's outcome depends on endurance and strenght).(English)Boxing and Muay Thai Boxing are highly energy draining, and consequently their conditioning is the best out here. Plus you have to respect your body with diets and effective rest.
Boxing is an art and a science: footsteps, combinations, bobbing and weaving, strategy etc
Afro Americans boxers were the best not because of their genes but of their effective training, and their willingness to train hard.
Just look at Mike Tyson, when he started chasing women and gave up his hard training sessions, he became a "common" boxer.
Sugar Ray Robinson was AMAZING, looking at some of his documentaries in YouTube: his style inspired the Great Muhammad Ali who acknowledged that Robinson was the best POP boxer ever.
Thomas Hearns who KO'd Roberto Duran in a NASTY way or Marvin Hagler were also fierce fighters. Frazier, Foreman, Holyfield...AAs produced GREAT fighters, and USA is the mecca of boxing.
You're wrong. Boxing, as well as many other sports has much to do with genetics. Strength, reflexes, endurance, are all predetermined by genetic composition.
As example, it is a biological fact that black women birth children with 30% higher bone density than white women. Bigger bones can carry larger muscles.
Also, muscle twitch factor (reflexes) are dependent on the time the brain sends signalling to the muscle via neuromuscular melanin interconnects. This is accomplished by Eumelanin in spinal fluid which connects the brain to all other parts of the body.
Whites knew there is a genetic difference between blacks and whites early in the 1700s, and in the US, sports competition between whites and blacks was illegal until the early 1900s. Even in the 1940s NBA/ABA Basketball teams were comprised of all whites (Jews), and it was a sad thing to watch. The sport didn't become popular until the 1950s when Blacks began being integrated into basketball teams. When blacks were allowed in there was no longer a place for Jews. They simply could not compete.
Same with Boxing. This is why today you see all Russian boxers being caught using steroids and PEDs (Performance Enhancing Drugs) to counter their genetic short comings. Without artificial enhancement, Russians and whites in general just cannot compete with the naturally gifted black athletes.
The same is true for Martial Arts, but don't confuse Martial arts with the sport of boxing. They are not the same. Very few Martial Artists can successfully make the transition to boxing. Buddha introduced Martial arts into Asia, not as a combat sport, but to help strengthen weak albino bodies and minds.
Being from Russia, there is a 90% probability that Kovalev, Golovkin and both Klitscho brothers are products of long term steroids and PED usage. It has been proven that steroid and PED use has been mandated in Russia from Putin on down with severe penalties given to Russian athletes who don't comply. This is why they were totally banned from competing in the RIO Olympics.
However, I have wondered why all the world's greatest boxers are African American and none African. African Americans (and African-Cubans, Brazilian, Afro-Britains, etc.) beat up every other country in the world, but today's native Africans get beaten silly by Russians, Americans, and even Asians.
I have a couple theories of why this is and will post them shortly.
Well...After Reading all your post, you NEVER trained boxing for sure...There is an Afro American School of Boxing (Boxers and Trainers), it is well known...Eddie Futch rings a bell ??? And your last sentence about Africans (what's up with this BS ?)is just high class ignorance...John Mugabi? Hassan N'Dam ? Souleymane M'Baye ?
Klitschko brothers are punks who only fought 2nd or 3rd class boxers. Lennox Lewis whooped the eldest when he was almost 40 yrs old.
Golovkin never fought a tough guy...
I repeat...Boxing has nothing to do with genes...The way you have been trained is the most important thing.
It's like saying Karate or Judo is linked to Japanese genes. Since they opened their doors and their training methods(to Europeans) they do have an upper hand anymore.
And it is people with African descent: mainly from Africa (Congo,Senegal,Mali, Ivory Coast etc) and few from the West Indies ( French West indies) , trained martial artists (Boxers, Taekwondo, Kick Boxing, Muay Thai, Kung Fu etc) who cleaned up Paris, with the Skinheads trash...Men to men fights in the streets...Research (Paris) BLACK DRAGONS...
Pure Ignorance...
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Another aparté, Danny Bill an African raised in Paris. The biggest Muay Thai(boxing and legs) artist of the 90s, and a legend in Thailand.
When he went to Thailand to train and learn their arts, his Asian Muay Thai masters told him that this art came from Africans and showed him documents about this fact and reality...Yes guys...You can find the video on Youtube...
Danny went several times to Runoko Rashidi, conferences here in Paris to tell this story...
I repeat pure ignorance...When having a look at the rebellions during the slave plantations period in the New World...Only Haitians (pure Africans at that time) at this period destroyed their masters and slavery and paved the way for emancipation in many countries in the West Indies and South America...Learn your facts straight guys...
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John Mugabi, Hassan N'Dam, Souleymane M'Baye were good boxers, but far from being all time greats. None of them are on the boxing all time great lists I posted above.
You prove my point by bringing up Lennox Lewis's 6 round TKO of Vitali Klitscho. Lennox Lewis is of Jamaican decent, migrated to Britain. Not African.
Samuel Peters however, who fought and got beat by BOTH Klitscho brothers was an African, or rather I should say, he was a Nigerian. The way those Russian boys beat up the Nigerian was embarrassing.
Lennox Lewis, a Jamaican, IS on the boxing all time great (ATG) list. He beat up Vitali Klitscho as a black man should.
Samuel Peters, a Nigerian, is not on the ATG list, and for good reason.
Boxing has as little to nothing too do with Martial arts and is as far from martial arts as it is from UFC. Don't get them twisted, foolish one.
Eddie Futch is a great African American boxing trainer. He is an AA, not African. Africa has produced no boxing trainers who are listed on the boxing all time great list. In fact, I had a good laugh when I saw LHW South African boxer Chilemba being trained by a white woman. Needless to say, the Russian, Kovalev knocked Chilimba out.
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quote:Originally posted by Nehesy: Another aparté, Danny Bill an African raised in Paris. The biggest Muay Thai(boxing and legs) artist of the 90s, and a legend in Thailand.
When he went to Thailand to train and learn their arts, his Asian Muay Thai masters told him that this art came from Africans and showed him documents about this fact and reality...Yes guys...You can find the video on Youtube...
Danny went several times to Runoko Rashidi, conferences here in Paris to tell this story...
I repeat pure ignorance...When having a look at the rebellions during the slave plantations period in the New World...Only Haitians (pure Africans at that time) at this period destroyed their masters and slavery and paved the way for emancipation in many countries in the West Indies and South America...Learn your facts straight guys...
Please stop polluting the thread with martial arts. This is a boxing thread and MA or UFC have nothing to do with boxing. Don't believe me, ask Rhonda Rousey.
France also has no boxers on the All Time Great list. France produces no top level boxers. They hardly produce even good contender level boxers. However, if there was an international competition for weeping, the French would be all time greats. Posts: 4693 | From: Saturn | Registered: Apr 2012
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quote:Originally posted by IronLion: AAs must be worse off in the mind set than Africans who lost just one continent, and Indians who lost half a continent.
AAs were genocided, then enslaved, then the jim crowed, then the kkk-ed, then lynched; which persists today and manifests as those public lynchings and killings by police.
Again and again the weak albino wallops our collective AA asses.
Is that a sign of strength and superiority? Is there a link there to your dislike of Africans?
. The facts you state about what happened in Europe and the Americas is quite true.
But Africans also did not see the huge threat the dirty, stink, colorless, Albino posed.
The only thing saving Africa from total destruction was the sheer number of Africans and the diseases of Africa.
As in all such "Near Death" escapes - the survivors come out stronger.
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quote:Originally posted by IronLion: The black race is the most hated race on planet earth and black people being the most hated race on planet earth should stick together instead of trying to pick tribes and races that they do not among themselves.
We do not have the luxury of refusing to cooperate because we believe we are black Europeans rather than Africans, or black Asians against black South America.
Nomatter how black European your black ass maybe, you are still a black man to any pink ass European. He dont give a **** which tribe you think you belong, and would shoot you just like he would shoot a black Australian, given the chance.
This divisive philosophy is disgraceful and should cease!
. I have heard that so often:
First it was in relation to Ghetto people:
But guess what, the average Black family has more to fear from a ghetto criminal than ANY Albino.
Now were are asked to overlook the fuch-ups of Africans - in thinking and deed - because we are all one.
Well - Yes we should cooperate - as equals. That means Africans need to re-evaluate.
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quote:Sure, I think that Africans would have possessed these skills, and more.
Yes, Africa had long entered the Iron Age. The Benin Bronzes, Nok Terracotta, and Ife Art in wood and metal all testify to that. The skilled carvings from all over West Africa, the existence of towns with protective gates long exited before the Atlantic trade. Example: the Walled City of Kano.
All over the world, the structures of these skilled tradesmen still stand as testaments to their work. Can you cite any such examples in sub-Sahara Africa?
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The Albinos answer to why Blacks in the Americas had those skills was because they were trained by Albinos! (Remembering that they have to provide explanations in keeping with their false history).
THE ONLY PROBLEM IS THAT THEIR STORY DOESN'T JIBE WITH THE REALITY OF THE TIMES!
REMEMBER - THE LIST OF SLAVE TRADESMEN I POSTED, COVERED THE YEARS 1769 - 1780.
United States Department of Labor:
Chapter 1: The Emergence of American Labor By Richard B. Morris
On August 5, 1774, just a month before the First Continental Congress convened in Philadelphia, the ship Needham landed in New York from Newry, England, Captain William Cunningham, master. The ship's cargo was white indentured servants. On arrival they protested to the authorities that they had been kidnapped in Ireland and had suffered "bad usage" on the voyage across the Atlantic. Whereupon the city fathers ordered them discharged. The servants had gained their freedom, but Cunningham nursed a grudge, and later, as the notorious provost marshal of the British army in America, he confined captured Patriots to atrocious prison ships and jails. The incident of the Needham's cargo dramatizes how the early American labor market was supplied. It also reveals that certain aspects of the old labor system were repugnant to that free society the American inhabitants sought to create for themselves.
The colonists quickly discovered that the Indians, the native Americans who had settled the continent centuries before the Europeans, would not make compliant workers confined to settled abodes. The alternatives for labor power were to be found in the British Isles, the European continent, and along the west coast of Africa. (This is never creditably explained - merely a throwaway to cover skilled Blacks). Convinced that England was overpopulated, the government encouraged the emigration to America of the unemployed poor and vagrant class and permitted skilled workers to go to the colonies. Gradually, with England's rise to commercial and industrial primacy by the end of the seventeenth century, the official attitude changed, culminating in the enactment by Parliament in 1765 of a law forbidding the emigration of skilled workers. This was followed in turn by statutes of 1774, 1781, and 1782 forbidding the exportation of textile machinery, plans, or models. Toward the poor, the untrained, the vagrants, and the criminal class the government felt no such inhibitions; they were encouraged to immigrate to the colonies if someone, somewhere, would foot the bill for the passage. Official obstructions notwithstanding, the importation of skilled artisans continued virtually unabated throughout the colonial years.
The rest of this is basically typical Albino lie history as relates to race.
quote:Originally posted by Nehesy: Another aparté, Danny Bill an African raised in Paris. The biggest Muay Thai(boxing and legs) artist of the 90s, and a legend in Thailand.
When he went to Thailand to train and learn their arts, his Asian Muay Thai masters told him that this art came from Africans and showed him documents about this fact and reality...Yes guys...You can find the video on Youtube...
Danny went several times to Runoko Rashidi, conferences here in Paris to tell this story...
I repeat pure ignorance...When having a look at the rebellions during the slave plantations period in the New World...Only Haitians (pure Africans at that time) at this period destroyed their masters and slavery and paved the way for emancipation in many countries in the West Indies and South America...Learn your facts straight guys...
Please stop polluting the thread with martial arts. This is a boxing thread and MA or UFC have nothing to do with boxing. Don't believe me, ask Rhonda Rousey.
France also has no boxers on the All Time Great list. France produces no top level boxers. They hardly produce even good contender level boxers. However, if there was an international competition for weeping, the French would be all time greats.
When I say You're ignorant : Boxing is a martial art which uses body weapons who are your arms and fists, footsteps and body (clinch). However Legs and knees are forbidden.
In Muay Thai Boxing you use Boxing, Clinch, Arms + Elbows and Fists + Legs and knees
In all martial arts you use Jabs, Hooks, Uppercuts and clinch...You need to go practicing and stop uttering BS on the net...
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I could understand the native population as they were free but the African part makes no sense as the whole point of slavery was for blacks to work going by what whites say. Ghettos were created by whites to funnel blacks or made by whites leaving black encroachment so the peoples behavior were generated out of stuff they weren't cognizant to or they the power relations didn't permit the blacks maintain those places.
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