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When i look up current info for modern nubians they will mention nubians in egypt,sudan,hill nubians,nubians of darfur etc..

When looking at the dna info for modern nubians later on the study on wiki is really talking about nile valley nubians in the sudan on the nile.

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Genetics
Y-DNA

Y-DNA analysis by Hassan et al. (2008) on a sample of 39 Nubians found that:
Around 17 of his Nubian samples from Sudan carried haplogroup J
9 belonged to the haplogroup E1b1b clade

M-DNA
Regarding the M-DNA lineages, Hassan (2009) found that
approximately 83% of their Nubian samples carried various subclades of the Africa-centered macrohaplogroup L. Of these, the most frequent were:

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So this study above is not talking about hill nubians,nubians of darfur,nubians in chad or near the chad border or even nubians in kenya and uganda or arabized hill nubians and arabized darfur nubians.

So you have to be careful reading that info because it's misleading.
For nubians and arabized nubians outside the nile valley sudan and to have get the dna info for nubians in egypt,kenya,uganda,darfur,chad,noba hills etc...

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(Nilo-Saharan, Eastern Sudanic)
46 % A3b2-M13 - Nilotic
14.2% B-M60 - Nilotic
14.2% E1b1b-M215(xE1b1b1a-M7.8. - North East Africa
25 % E1b1b1a1-V12(xE1b1b1a1b-V32) North East Africa

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Nile nubians
Nubian, Arabized Population 553,000
Nubian, Fedicca-Mohas Population 458,000
Nubian, Kunuz Population 55,000

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Nile nubians
Dongolawi Population 78,000
Nubian, Fedicca-Mohas Population 569,000


Darfur nubians
Midobi Population 92,500
Birgid Population 27,000

Hill nubians
Uncu, Ghulfan Population 41,000
Kadaru Population 30,000
Dair, Thaminyi Population 3,000
Delen, Warki Population 13,000
Garko Population 33,000
Wali Population 19,000
El Hugeirat Population 3,200

Debri, Wei Population 2,500
Jebel Debri, located south of the Ghulfan Massif


Other
Afitti, Ditti Population 5,100


Arabized nubians
Darfur nubians
Birgid, Arabized Population 167,000
Midob, Tidda Arabized Population 100,000

Hill nubians
Ghulfan, Arabized Population 51,000
Dilling, Arabized Population 86,000
Kadaru, Arabized Population 54,000
Karko, Arabized Population 28,000
Wali, Arabized 59,000

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Nubi Population: 58,500

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Nubians (/ˈnuːbiənz, ˈnjuː-/) are an ethno-linguistic group of people who are indigenous to the region which is now present-day Northern Sudan and southern Egypt. They originate from the early inhabitants of the central Nile valley, believed to be one of the earliest cradles of civilization. They speak Nubian languages, part of the Northern Eastern Sudanic languages.

Language
Modern Nubians speak Nubian languages. They belong to the Eastern Sudanic branch of the Nilo-Saharan phylum. But there is some uncertainty regarding the classification of the languages spoken in Nubia in antiquity. There is some evidence that Cushitic languages were spoken in parts of Lower (northern) Nubia, an ancient region which straddles present day Southern Egypt and Northern Sudan, and that Eastern Sudanic languages were spoken in Upper and Central Nubia, before the spread of Eastern Sudanic languages even further north into Lower Nubia.


Culture
Nubians have developed a common identity, which has been celebrated in poetry, novels, music and storytelling.

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The Nubian languages (Arabic: لغات نوبية‎ : lughāt nūbiyyah) are a group of related languages spoken by the Nubians. They form a branch of the Eastern Sudanic languages, which is part of the wider Nilo-Saharan phylum. Initially, Nubian languages were spoken throughout much of Sudan, but as a result of arabization they are today mostly limited to the Nile Valley between Aswan (southern Egypt) and Al Dabbah as well as villages in the Nuba mountains and Darfur.

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Rilly (2010) distinguishes the following Nubian languages, spoken by in total about 900,000 speakers:
Nobiin, the largest Nubian language with 545,000 speakers in Egypt, Sudan, and the Nubian diaspora. Previously known by the geographic terms Mahas and Fadicca/Fiadicca. As late as 1863 this language, or a closely related dialect, was known to have been spoken by the arabized Nubian Shaigiya tribe.

Kenzi (endonym: Mattokki) with 100,000 speakers in Egypt and Dongolawi (endonym: Andaandi) with 180,000 speakers in Sudan. They are no longer considered a single language, but closely related. The split between Kenzi and Dongolawi is dated relatively recently to the 14th century.

Midob (Meidob) with 30,000 speakers. The language is spoken primarily in and around the Malha volcanic crater in North Darfur.

Birgid, now extinct, was spoken north of Nyala around Menawashei, with the last known speakers alive in the 1970s. It was the predominant language between the corridor of Nyala and al-Fashir in the north and the Bahr al-Arab in the south as recently as 1860.

Hill Nubian or Kordofan Nubian, a group of closely related languages or dialects spoken in various villages in the northern Nuba Mountains; in particular by the Dilling, Debri, and Kadaru. An extinct language, Haraza, is known only from a few dozen words recalled by village elders in 1923.

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Traditionally, the Nubian languages are divided into three branches: Northern (Nile), Western (Darfur), and Central.

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Hill Nubians are a group of Nubian peoples who inhabit the northern Nuba Mountains in South Kordofan state, Sudan. They speak the Hill Nubian languages. Despite their scattered presence and linguistic diversity, they all refer to themselves as Ajang and call their language Ajangwe, "the Ajang language".

Origin
Canadian linguist Robin Thelwall believes that the Hill Nubians probably didn't migrate to the Nuba Mountains from Nubia, considering their linguistic divergence, and instead probably reached the Nuba Mountains from central Kordofan during the earliest Nubian migrations.Joseph Greenberg believes that any split between Hill and Nile Nubian must have occurred at least 2,500 years before present.

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The Hill Nubian languages, also called Kordofan Nubian, are a dialect continuum of Nubian languages spoken by the Hill Nubians in the northern Nuba Mountains of Sudan.

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Originally posted by Andromeda2025:
These unafrican Sudanese Nubians are going full Kemet/Nubia lol good vid great music, they look like average AA's with varying degrees of admixture maybe a lil horner but not much.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XTcZmMUlCFU&index=200&list=PLoFDYkUloZdgPE8CpOv0lheF_nKpKlndx

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Africans vary from all types of looks.In africa you could see africans(depending on the ethnic group and individuals) that look like african americans.I should say african americans look like the africans they come from.

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The Danagla (Arabic: الدناقلة, "People of Dongola") are a tribe in northern Sudan of partial Arab descent,[1][2][3] primarily settling between the third Nile cataract and al Dabbah. Along with Kenzi, Fadicca, Halfawi, Sikot, and Mahas, they form a significant part of the Sudanese Arabs. In addition, they have historically lived in proximity to their Shaigiya and Ja'alin neighbors. They speak Sudanese Arabic, although the Nubian language of Dongolawi was spoken in northern Sudan.[4] It is still spoken by a minority of the population[5] alongside the Sudanese Arabic dialect.


Genetics
According to Y-DNA analysis by Hassan et al (2008), around 44% of Nubians and Danaglas generally in Sudan carry the haplogroup J in individually varied but rather small percentages. The remainder mainly belong to the E1b1b clade (23%). Both paternal lineages are also common among local Afroasiatic-speaking populations.[6]


Thus it's observed that approximately 83% of their Nubian samples carried various subclades of the Africa-centered macrohaplogroup L. Of these mtDNA lineages, the most frequently borne clade was L3 (30.8%), followed by the L0a (20.6%), L2 (10.3%), L1 (6.9%), L4 (6.9%) and L5 (6.9%) haplogroups. The remaining 17% of Nubians belonged to sublineages of the Eurasian macrohaplogroups M (3.4% M/D, 3.4% M1) and N (3.4% N1a, 3.4% preHV1, 3.4% R/U6a1). These results can be used as rough estimates of genetics most Nubians hold.[citation needed]

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The Mahas are a sub-group of the Nubian people located in Sudan along the banks of the Nile. They are further split into the Mahas of the North and Mahas of the Center. Some Mahas villages are intermixed with remnants of the largely extinct Qamhat Bishari tribe, and as a result today the Qamhat Mahas are ethnic Beja who speak a Nubian language. In the Butana area some Mahas have intermarried with the Rashaida people.

For millennia, the Mahas tribe had resided in the region that constitutes present day north Sudan.[1] Little arable land and finite rainfall lead the Mahas, and other residents of the area, to migrate from the area.[1] As early as the late 1400s to the early 1500s, following the end of the Mamluke Sultanate in Egypt and the Christian kingdom in Nubia, the Mahas ethnic group began to migrate.[1] The Mahas migrants settled in the “Three Towns” area, the present-day cities of Khartoum, Khartoum North, and Omdurman, and along the Blue Nile.[1] Arkell insinuates that the Mahas acquired land in the “Three Towns” area and Tuti Island from the Jummu’iya tribe.[2] When the Mahas had arrived, the area was already inhabited by the Rufa’a, Ja’aliyin, Shayqia, and Jummu’iya peoples.[2]

The Mahas in the “Three Towns” are largely from Nubian descent.[1] Lobban argues that they are of the completely Arabized Nubians.[1] The Mahas of this stock do not maintain strong ties with the Nubians in the north and east.[1] They know little of the Nubian language.[1] Inhabiting the north of Sudan and south of Egypt at a time when Islam was expanding south up the Nile, the Mahas of this group were Arabized relatively early.[1] As Mahas families became established in the Three Towns, they were almost exclusively of Mahas descent.[1] The Three Towns area was composed of Nubian, Arab, Sudanic, Nilotic, and European groups.[1] However, within the Mahas communities, there was a strong inclination for preserving the Mahas lineage.[1] Marriage was predominately between the Arab communities in the Nile valley.[1] It was rare to encounter marriages between the Mahas communities and the Sudanese Darfuris and southern regions of present-day Sudan.[1] The emphasis of cultural homogeneity within the Mahas communities was strengthened with Islamic values at that time that perpetuated egalitarianism.[1]

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Abagail Breidenstein, Binghamton University:
Abstract: “Recent advances in next-generation sequencing (NGS) methods have facilitated paleogenomic studies of hot and arid climates. Nonetheless, archaeological conditions continue to impact ancient DNA quality and quantity. Therefore, it is critical to assess the impact of archaeological conditions and to develop enhanced methodologies that boost the authentic DNA content of sampled tissues. To develop best practices for compromised skeletal remains, we assessed a standard overnight digestion, a double digestion, and bleach pretreatment methods with more than 240 individual skeletal samples representing 89 individuals spanning eight Nubian archaeological sites located in modern day Sudan, a historically important but paleogenomically understudied region of the Ancient Nile River Valley, spanning ca. 2,200 years. This presentation will discuss our results and future research into optimizing the use of NGS methods with African sample material.”

Mary Prendergast, Rice University:
“Tracing the roots of ancient eastern pastoralism with ancient DNA: progress and prospects”
Abstract: “Human ancient DNA studies have rapidly multiplied in eastern Africa. By considering their results together with those from human and animal population genetics, archaeology, and linguistics, we can offer wider perspectives on the spread of pastoralism. Genetic research indicates that Nubia was an area from which pastoralism spread toward the Eastern Rift Valley, but key gaps obscure archaeologists’ understanding of connections – or lack thereof – between these regions. How can future archaeological and genetic research address these gaps? Are there prospects for holistic studies that also incorporate nonhuman DNA to understand early pastoral lifeways? This talk will highlight past work and invite discussion of future agendas.”

Kendra Sirak, Harvard University:
“Leveraging genome-wide ancient DNA data to explore Sudanese population history: Kulubnarti as a case study”
Abstract: “Abstract: Studying genome-level DNA from people who lived hundreds to thousands of years ago can reveal genetic landscapes that are drastically different than today. This is especially true in places like Sudan, where extensive movements of people during the last millennium have resulted in both cultural and genetic changes. We generated genome-wide data from 66 people who lived at Kulubnarti between ~650-1000CE and reveal a gene pool formed over at least a millennium that had both Nilotic-related and non-sub-Saharan African ancestry. Interpreting genetic data alongside archaeological and bioarchaeological data, we show that genetic similarity among people buried in two cemeteries supports a hypothesis of social division without genetic differences.”

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This virtual tour presents the monasteries in Ghazali and in Old Dongola, the capital of Makuria, one of three medieval kingdoms in ancient Nubia. They were digitally reconstructed as part of the “Virtual Nubia” project. On the project website, www.virtualnubia.uw.edu.pl you can visit monastic buildings discovered by archaeologists in the Nubian desert - a land located in the Middle Nile Valley on the territory of modern Sudan and Egypt.

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Originally posted by Firewall:
Huge numbers of White americans( hispanic whites and non hispanics) have modern native and black ancestry

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Originally posted by Firewall:

Most african americans don't look like they have any admixture and most don't look like horners.

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Originally posted by Firewall:
there are some modern black nubians who are not black.

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there are some modern black nubians who are not black.

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Originally posted by the lioness,:

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Originally posted by Firewall:
Huge numbers of White americans( hispanic whites and non hispanics) have modern native and black ancestry

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Originally posted by Firewall:

Most african americans don't look like they have any admixture and most don't look like horners.

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Do most African Americans have non-African admixture?

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Sudanese Arabs (Arabic: عرب سودانيون) are the inhabitants of Sudan who identify as Arabs and speak Arabic as their mother tongue.[5] Some of them are descendants of Arabs who migrated to Sudan from the Arabian Peninsula,[6] although the rest have been described as Arabized indigenous peoples of Sudan of mostly Nubian,[7] Nilo-Saharan, and Cushitic[8] ancestry who are culturally and linguistically Arab, with varying cases of admixture from Peninsular Arabs.[9] This admixture is thought to derive mostly from the migration of Peninsular Arab tribes in the 12th century, who intermarried with the Nubians and other indigenous populations, as well as introducing Islam.[10][11] The Sudanese Arabs were described as a "hybrid of Arab and indigenous blood",[12] and the Arabic they spoke was reported as "a pure but archaic Arabic".[13] Burckhardt noted that the Ja'alin of the Eastern Desert are exactly like the Bedouin of Eastern Arabia.[14]

Sudanese Arabs make up 70% of the population of Sudan,[15] however prior to the independence of South Sudan in 2011, Sudanese Arabs made up only 40% of the population.[16] They are Sunni Muslims and speak Sudanese Arabic. The great majority of the Sudanese Arabs tribes are part of larger tribal confederations: the Ja'alin, who primarily live along the Nile river basin between Khartoum and Abu Hamad, the Shaigiya, who live along the Nile between Korti and Jabal al-Dajer, and parts of the Bayuda Desert, the Juhaynah, who live east and west of the Nile, and include the Rufaa people, the Shukria clan and the Kababish, the Banu Fazara or Fezara people who live in Northern Kordofan, the Kawahla, who inhabit eastern Sudan, Northern Kordofan, and White Nile State, and the Baggara, who inhabit South Kordofan and extend to Lake Chad. There are numerous smaller tribal units that do not conform to the above groups, such as the Messelemiya, the Rikabia, the Hawawir people, the Magharba, the Awadia and Fadnia tribes, the Kerriat, the Kenana people, the Kerrarish, the Hamran, amongst others.[17]

Sudan also houses non-Sudanese Arab populations such as the Rashaida that only recently settled Sudan in the 1846, after migrating from the Hejaz region of the Arabian Peninsula.[18] Additionally, other smaller Sudanese groups who have also been Arabized, or partially Arabized, but retain a separate, non-Arab identity, include the Nubians, Copts, and Beja.

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Arab tribes arrived in Sudan in three main waves, beginning with the Ja'alin in the 12th century. The Ja'alin trace their lineage to Abbas ibn Abd al-Muttalib and their culture was closely linked with that of the Bedouin in Arabia. The second main wave was the migration of the Juhaynah before the 17th century in two main subgroups, the Baggara and Kabbabish. The final main wave was the migration of Bani Rashid in the mid-19th century.[5]

Most Sudanese Arabs speak modern Sudanese Arabic, with western Sudanese tribes bordering Chad like the Baggara and Darfurians generally speaking Chadian Arabic. Sudanese Arabs have large variations in culture and genealogy because of their descent from a combination of various population groups.[19] Other Arab population in Sudan that are not Sudanese Arab, i.e. those that are recent arrivals to the region exist, and most of them such as the Awadia and Fadnia tribes, the Bani Hassan, Al-Ashraf and Rashaida tribes generally speak Hejazi Arabic instead of the more widespread Sudanese Arabic.

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The Ja'alin, Ja'aliya, Ja'aliyin or Ja'al (Arabic: جعليون) are an Arab[a] or Arabised Nubian[b] tribe in Sudan. The Ja'alin constitute a large portion of the Sudanese Arabs and are one of the three prominent Sudanese Arab tribes in northern Sudan - the others being the Shaigiya and Danagla. They trace their origin to Ibrahim Ja'al, an Abbasid noble, whose clan originally hailed from the Hejaz in the Arabian Peninsula and married into the local Nubian population. Ja'al was a descendant of al-Abbas, an uncle of Muhammad. The Ja'alin formerly occupied the country on both banks of the Nile from Khartoum to Abu Hamad.[13] According to a source, the tribe allegedly once spoke a now extinct dialect of Nubian as late as the nineteenth century.[14] Many Sudanese politicians have come from the Ja'alin tribal coalition.[15]

History
The Ja'alin trace their lineage to Abbas, uncle of Muhammad.[13] At the Egyptian invasion in 1811 they were the most powerful of Arab tribes in the Nile valley. They submitted at first, but in 1822 rebelled and massacred the Egyptian garrison at Shendi with the Mek Nimr, a Ja'ali King (mek) burning Ismail, Muhammad Ali Pasha's son and his cortege at a banquet. The revolt was mercilessly suppressed, and the Ja'alin were thence forward looked on with suspicion. They were almost the first of the northern tribes to join the Mahdi in 1884, and it was their position to the north of Khartoum which made communication with General Gordon so difficult. The Ja'alin then became a semi-nomad agricultural people.[13]

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The Shaigiya, Shaiqiya, Shawayga or Shaykia (Arabic: الشايقيّة) are an Arab[1][2][3][4][5][6][7][8][9][10] or Arabised Nubian[11][12][13][14][15] tribe. They are part of the Sudanese Arabs and are also one of the three prominent Sudanese Arabs tribes in North Sudan, along with the Ja'alin and Danagla. The tribe inhabits the region of Dar al-Shayqiya, which stretches along the banks of the Nile River from Jabal al-Dajer to the end of Muscat's fourth waterfall and includes their tribal capital of Korti and parts of the Bayuda desert. Although speaking Sudanese Arabic today, a source claimed that the Shaigiya, like the Ja'alin, have spoken some form of Nubian as late as the 19th century.[16] This language, labelled as Old Shaiqi,[17] was apparently closely related, if not identical to the Nobiin dialect.[18][19] In the 20th century, Shaiqi tribe are among those along the Nile, who have been affected by the Merowe Dam.[20]

Origin and lineage
The Shaigiya are a sub-group of Al-Dahamishiy, a branch of the larger Ja'alin tribe. They are divided into different clans, each belonging to the twelve sons of Shaig (the founder).[21]

Shaigiya are predominantly Sunni Muslims with small sects of Shia believers. They trace their origin to a Hejazi Arab named Shaig who came from the Arabian Peninsula in the 7th century following the Arabian conquest of Egypt.[22] Shaig was a descendant of Abbas (an uncle of prophet Muhammad). He and his family settled in Sudan and intermixed with the local Nubians, creating this tribe. However, historically it seems the tribe has originated in 15th century as a hybrid of various tribes settled in the area. [23] According to Nicholls, at the start of the 20th century, the tribe nobles denied to have Arabic origins and claimed to have always inhabited the same territory as today.[24]

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I don’t doubt the fact that at some point in history, you may have invaded North Sudan for a short time, but all genetic studies in terms of Autosomal point towards North Sudan being occupied by a population that clusters with modern day inhabitants. BTW, the Christian Nubian study you said that they were paternally African. That’s not true, none of the samples had Nilo-Saharan Y-DNA. They were majority E1b1b, and they also were not 100 % maternally Euroasian but mixed just like modern day Horners and Bejas.

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Ah, so now you no doubt we had a presence in the North? We only left the Gezira in the 13th and 15th Centuries, so our presence there was not brief.
People corresponding perfectly to the physical appearance and dimensions of the Nilotics were depicted on those walls because they were encountered; the map on ancient Sudanese kingdoms shows them extending into areas recognised as having been occupied by Nilotics until recently.
The Kasu and the Nubae (Nubians) were very much likely similar to populations in Darfur today, minus the recent Arab admixture that reach Darfur as well in the last 400 years.
Kush was an empire and Nilotics played some role -- unless the depictions are somehow wrong and should (strangely) only be dismissed in relation to this specific population.

The Nubians have their origins in Darfur and like Darfurian populations, they are a composite of Nilotic and indigenous North African ancestry -- marked by E-M35 lineages; Nubians experienced recent Eurasian introgression -- especially during the Arab expansion into Sudan; the specific Kulubnarti population are not ancestral to modern Nubians and have entirely different admixture composites, from a different admixture event.
I don't know why you want to dismiss the genetic studies showing that the Nubians were the products of recent admixture, and why you want to present them as having always been Beja-like, when these studies say otherwise.

Kush was an empire and Nilotics played some role -- unless the depictions are somehow wrong and should (strangely) only be dismissed in relation to this specific population.

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