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We are all Khaled Said Excellent news: All protesters, opposition leaders, opposition parties & groups agree to form a group together and chose Dr. Mohamed ElBaradei to lead this group as a representative to negotiate with Mubarak to leave. They offer him safe exit from Egypt. Urgent situation now: In Tahreer square, there are more than 200 thousand people now including Judges, AlAzhar scholars, Opposition leaders (from all parties) from protesters are made up of women, children, men, young and old, Muslims, Christians & Athiests. Jetfighter planes are flying low in the square with helicopte...rs as well. I'm really scared a massacre is about to happen!
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PC and Micky, Do either of you have a link to the live streaming news? I have down loaded two different things and all I can find on the online sites are videos.
I want live news and I am frustrated. One place I go says that the servers are over loaded.
quote:Originally posted by D_Oro: PC and Micky, Do either of you have a link to the live streaming news? I have down loaded two different things and all I can find on the online sites are videos.
I want live news and I am frustrated. One place I go says that the servers are over loaded.
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What I find on bbc and cnn are videos not the live streaming news, and sky has a down load but I don't know how to use it. The sky player is only available in the UK and Ireland.
Micky I had Al Jazeera on all day yesterday but today I get a notice that there is a plug in failure. Posts: 770 | From: www.cafepress.com/tahrir_square | Registered: Jul 2010
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It asked me to update Real Player 10.5, but my pc wouldn't do it... I can still watch AJE though..
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i am watching it now...dont know what your pc problem is..mine works good...i am sorry, check for your pluginns and download them go on CNN right now interview with El Baradi
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What is it going to take for THAT man to accept that he is not wanted We are seeing desperate acts from a desperate man!
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quote:Originally posted by young at heart: What is it going to take for THAT man to accept that he is not wanted We are seeing desperate acts from a desperate man!
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quote:Originally posted by D_Oro: ok, I did do some kind of update last night but didn't select everything. Maybe thats the problem, I will check into it.
Thank you.
Al Jazeera English live stream is the one to watch,D´Oro.
quote:Originally posted by D_Oro: PC and Micky, Do either of you have a link to the live streaming news? I have down loaded two different things and all I can find on the online sites are videos.
I want live news and I am frustrated. One place I go says that the servers are over loaded.
Thanks for helping me.
Also,for some reason the streaming is soo much better on the smartphone applications available for Al Jazeera English as well as CNN International.For this last one it even flashes for you whenever there are breaking news about it.
Go directly to the Application search and find to download them. Yayyyy for iPhone!!!!!!
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Sashy, I was watching it yesterday but today I could not get on. Finally I can see it on the Real Time player. The image is smaller but it is live and stable.
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What do most people think of ElBaradei? My husband doesn't like him and says most of his friends don't like the fact that he thinks he can fly in and be an insta-leader. They'd rather see someone who's been in Egypt from the start of everything.
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quote:Originally posted by doodlebug: What do most people think of ElBaradei? My husband doesn't like him and says most of his friends don't like the fact that he thinks he can fly in and be an insta-leader. They'd rather see someone who's been in Egypt from the start of everything.
He is a valuable asset at this point of the revolution. All opposition parties including the Muslim Brotherhood have endorsed him to speak on their behalf. Having a face for the pro-democracy protesters, any face, is a sign of opposition unity and is necessary to topple the government.
He is temporary fix, and a very good fix for an eventual transitional government. His decision to join the protestors in Tahrir tonight has strengthened his position as the opposition representative.
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quote:Originally posted by D_Oro: Sashy, I was watching it yesterday but today I could not get on. Finally I can see it on the Real Time player. The image is smaller but it is live and stable.
Thanks to everyone for your help.
Have you tried a different browser? Try them all.
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quote:Originally posted by doodlebug: What do most people think of ElBaradei? My husband doesn't like him and says most of his friends don't like the fact that he thinks he can fly in and be an insta-leader. They'd rather see someone who's been in Egypt from the start of everything.
beleidy Amr El Beleidy People who don't like ElBaradei, use him for the transition and vote for who you like, no point starting squabbles now #Jan25 Egypt 40 minutes ago
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Let's look a little down the road. Egypt has about 30 political parties and movements. That number could easily swell. We don't know how Egypt will vote, but we can guess. My opinion is that Egypt will have a balanced representation.
The Muslim Brotherhood will undoubtedly be one of the largest parties, but it won't be able to have a majority unless they build a coalition with other parties such as Socialist Labor Party, Egyptian Arab Socialist Party, Umma Party, Social Justice Party, and other leftists parties.
Other parties such as New Wafd Party, National Progressive Unionist Party and similar Liberal Parties can also form a coalition. A new party might also arise that shares similar ideology. Copts will also support this form of coalition and can easily have as much as 35 seats in a 454 seat parliament.
I think it will be a nice balance but ultimately whoever can win the hearts and minds of the young and poor will rule the country.
Muslim Brotherhood are so popular because they are very active in neighborhoods. They build clinics and hospitals. They financially support widows, and orphans. There are many other programs that they have such as helping couples get married. Despite this popularity they won't be able to rule outright, but in terms of coalition it will be just as I have stated. There will be a coalition of Islamic Parties and a coalition of Secular Parties. I think if the Muslim Brotherhood form a governing coalition their ideology will focus more on social policies rather than political or foreign polices (with the exception of Israel). I can easily see them adding a special tax on alcohol, for example.
There is something that most parties have in common:
1-Arab Unity, which will only grow stronger as more corrupt regimes fold, and Arab unity grows.
2-Reexamining Foreign Policy especially with Israel
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One question: Why do you think the Military remained on the sidelines today?
My guess is lack of confidence. If the commanders, including Tantawi was utmost confident in a successful crackdown, he would have gave the go ahead. I am only guess but I believe there is dissent between the older pre -973 commanders and the younger post-1973 commanders. If this divide materialized we could witnessing a civil war rather than pro-democracy demonstrations. Power to the people. Egyptians are making everyone in the Arab World proud from Morocco to Babylon. They might have been hibernating past 30+ years, but they are in fact leaders of the Arab World. The bravery today in Tahrir was just amazing. Top Notch Amazing.
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see whats funny is the world and hosini thinks that his egyptian people are stupid.. but i know some egypts are the smartest people when it comes to gettin online.. F.Y.I. EGYPTIANS ARE NOT STUPID........ DUH..... what they dont understand is some of these egyptians are online 24/7 in these cafes.. ofcourse they know what they are doin when it comes to bypassing proxies and etc... and they are taking the army for granted. the army is there to protect the streets and to inforce the curfew so they tried to defy them. and some got arrested
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Aren't Egyptians afraid that the next after Mubarak might be just as a dictator?I mean,after more than 30 years of ruling a change has to happen at any price.What we all know is that most protesting are those of the younger generation,as usual. Don't get me wrong,i hugely support that uprising.Just wanted the opinion of those of you better informed than myself.
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quote:Originally posted by doodlebug: What do most people think of ElBaradei? My husband doesn't like him and says most of his friends don't like the fact that he thinks he can fly in and be an insta-leader. They'd rather see someone who's been in Egypt from the start of everything.
beleidy Amr El Beleidy People who don't like ElBaradei, use him for the transition and vote for who you like, no point starting squabbles now #Jan25 Egypt 40 minutes ago
A bit of a stupid way to think. How can anybody have an opinion about Baradei if they don't know him? Why should it be impossible for him to work as a leader? The departments are the people doing the jobs, they report the leader.
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The Baradei leadership possibillity is not in favor by MANY MANY Egyptians ..no one will hijack the Egyptian Revoltuion! http://twitter.com/#!/Gsquare86Posts: 1808 | From: USA | Registered: Aug 2006
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Best quote I heard today ... ' MUBAREK IS ON AN ALTERNATIVE UNIVERSE ' It's taken him 30 years to realise now that there is an economic divide in Egypt!!!! No **** Sherlock!!
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Sorry the above should have quotes - it's not my opinion it's the opinion of the blogger and apparently she feels the same as my husband and his friends.
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quote:Originally posted by snow white: Best quote I heard today ... ' MUBAREK IS ON AN ALTERNATIVE UNIVERSE ' It's taken him 30 years to realise now that there is an economic divide in Egypt!!!! No **** Sherlock!!
just looked at the albumn...the pic of mhammed atef 22,shot in head is shocking.I can remember when 2nd Gulf War was on TV and couldnt believe what I was seeing but the internet takes it to a new level.
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Guess this was my problem, and I have high speed cable..... Must be Texas.
... The result of the Al Jazeera English blackout in the United States has been a surge in traffic to the media outlet's website, where footage can be seen streaming live. The last 24 hours have seen a two-and-a-half thousand percent increase in web traffic, Tony Burman, head of North American strategies for Al Jazeera English, told HuffPost. Sixty percent of that traffic, he said, has come from the United States....
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quote:Originally posted by doodlebug: What do most people think of ElBaradei? My husband doesn't like him and says most of his friends don't like the fact that he thinks he can fly in and be an insta-leader. They'd rather see someone who's been in Egypt from the start of everything.
beleidy Amr El Beleidy People who don't like ElBaradei, use him for the transition and vote for who you like, no point starting squabbles now #Jan25 Egypt 40 minutes ago
A bit of a stupid way to think. How can anybody have an opinion about Baradei if they don't know him? Why should it be impossible for him to work as a leader? The departments are the people doing the jobs, they report the leader.
Stupid you say? I don't think so. People who initiated this revolution - which started on Twitter and FB - did not have any leader. Egyptians don't have many choices right now. ElBaradei on the other hand was before #Jan25 a well-known opponent of the Mubarak regime and he's offered to help with the transition until a new government is formed.
Honestly it would be wrong to remove all big names right now from the government (yes that's what the Egyptians want - a fresh start) but if decisions are being made too drastically it could deeply backfire on the country.
And if the situation in Egypt becomes more unstable extremists could see their golden chance and blow themselves up here and there. At least under Mubarak's iron fist such incidents didn't happen too often but this could change the longer the unrests last and no satisfying solution is found.
Btw, another million march is planned for Tuesday. Stay tuned.
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I'm as thrilled as anyone by what I see in the Cairo streets, but when I turn on American television I see only grim faces. Robert Gibbs looked frightened during his delayed press briefing yesterday afternoon; he didn't know what to say. Obama's comments last night were equivocal and opaque: I'm with Mubarak, for now. This is his 9/11 -- the day Arabs blindsided a president.
I thought this is what he wanted for the Arab world: democracy! But the market dropped, and the cable shows are filled with mistrust of the Arab street. Our talking heads can't stop talking about the Islamists. Chris Matthews cried out against the Muslim Brotherhood and shouted, Who is our guy here? -- as if the U.S. can play a hand on the streets. While his guest Marc Ginsberg, a former ambassador to Morocco whose work seems to be dedicated to finding the few good Arabs out there, said that forces outside Egypt are funding the revolt -- a grotesque statement, given the homegrown flavor of everything we have seen in the streets; and when Matthews pressed him, Ginsberg said, Hamas... Iran.
Matthews's other interpreter was Howard Fineman. Why aren't there more Arab-Americans on U.S. television? I give PBS credit for gathering Mary-Jane Deeb and Samer Shehata (along with the inevitable Steven Cook of CFR) to speak of the real political demands of the protesters (and not galloping Islamism!)-- but when CNN aired Mona Eltahawy saying that the protesters are not violent, the moderator stomped on her and said, what about those burning vehicles? As if eastern Europe changed without similar destruction.
So racism against Arabs is shutting down the American mind once again. And all my friends must turn to Al Jazeera English to get the soul of the story: that these events are electrifying to Arabs everywhere, a heroic mobilization. And not only to Arabs. When ElBaradei says, I salute the youth for overturning a pharaonic power, lovers of human freedom everywhere must be thrilled. We are seeing a dictator dissolve before our eyes. These are the events we cherished in history books; let us embrace the Egyptian movement.
Why is America so afraid?
Because we are seeing a giant leap in Arab power, in which the people of the largest Arab nation demand that they be allowed to fulfill their potential. This change portends a huge shift in the balance of power in the region. For the U.S. has played only a negative role in the Egyptian advance, supplying the teargas, and it seems inevitable that Egypt will cease to be a client state to the U.S. And thereby threaten the order of the last 30 years.
Whatever government replaces the current one in Egypt, it will not serve American interests, which have been largely defined by Israel, the American-Israeli "imperium," as Helena Cobban put it. Since the 1970s (as Joel Beinin shows here), Egypt has been the lynchpin of a US strategy of supporting Israel. The special relationship with Israel has steered our foreign policy, encouraged the destruction and occupation of Iraq, and even fed American Islamophobia. Key to preserving this order has been our ironclad support for the Arab dictatorships in Jordan, Egypt, Tunisia and elsewhere-- by providing the policy with a "moderate Arab" seal. Hey Egypt was a bulwark against the Islamists, and Egypt was crucial to the peace process, as all the correspondents tell us on American TV.
The danger to America and Israel is that the Egyptian revolution will destroy this false choice of secular dictator-or-crazy Islamists by showing that Arabs are smart articulate people who can handle real democracy if they get to make it themselves. And when they get it, they are likely to strip the mask off the peace process. On Al Jazeera English, there is much talk about the Palestinians. One commentator said that the "humiliation" of the Palestinians is feeding the Egyptian revolt. (I will never forget how Egyptian construction workers put down their tools to stand and applaud the Code Pink buses as we left El Arish for Gaza in June 2009.) And in his beautiful statement calling on Mubarak to serve his country by leaving, ElBaradei said that a government that heeds the people's will would turn soon to the Palestinian issue.
This is the great fear, in Israel and in Washington, too: that revolution in Egypt will reveal the despotism of the existing order for the Palestinian people, who have seen their rights and properties and security and water taken from them during the peace process that Egypt has helped sustain.
The grimness on the faces of American Establishment figures reflects the greatest threat to authority, the crumbling of an existing order. Support for Israel has defined order in this region for decades and steered our support for dictators. Ever since Truman defied the State Department in 1947-48, we have been committed to maintaining a Jewish state in the Middle East despite local opposition. This has required great American expenditure, and probably cost Bobby Kennedy his life, but it has been an order. That order has required lip service to Arab democracy, but hey, Mubarak is better than those Islamists.
Now that true Arab democracy is finally coming on stage, that moral structure falls apart. I say morals, because support for Israel has always had a moral rationale. The American establishment felt good about our support for Israel because it seemed like the right thing: We had helped to solve the age-old Jewish Question of Europe. We had ended Jewish persecution. Israel was the answer to Never again! If you doubt that this is the moral calculus of our policy, step into the Center for Jewish History in New York this month. There must be four or five exhibits that touch on Jewish persecution in the Middle East and Europe. The destruction of Italian Jews. The destruction of Berlin businesses that provided the finest linens, photography, interiors... The persecution of Moroccan Jews. It never ends, along with an exhibit dedicated to the "miracle" of Israel's creation with American Jewish support.
Thus the Jewish community has hunkered down in an anachronistic identity-- secure in the completely-contradictory knowledge that the American power structure will support Israel. All this is changing in Egypt. An Arab liberation story is forcing itself into world consciousness. "The vast, vast majority of protesters are peaceful people, mostly middle class, and they are showing great solidarity. People are still defending the Egyptian Museum," Issandr El-Amrani reports, inspiringly. There is bound to be great suffering in Egypt, we pray for a smooth transition, but if the Egyptians are only left to handle their own affairs, who doubts that the polity that will emerge from this chaos will be more responsive to human rights, and will strike a blow against the fetters of anti-Arab racism that have chained the American mind.
quote:Originally posted by Sashyra8: Aren't Egyptians afraid that the next after Mubarak might be just as a dictator?I mean,after more than 30 years of ruling a change has to happen at any price.What we all know is that most protesting are those of the younger generation,as usual. Don't get me wrong,i hugely support that uprising.Just wanted the opinion of those of you better informed than myself.
Sash, Some Egyptians are undoubtedly afraid. Especially the wealthier ones who can freely travel, who have options to educate their children, who don't have to worry about having food on the table, who lived a realtively prosperous life around a brutal regime.
The sad truth is that number is minuscule in comparison to the people who feel there is no hope for the future. I am not merely alluding to the poor but also to middle class people, and college graduates who find it increasingly harder to make ends meet.
So let's put ourselves in the mindset of those people who are on the streets, they have genuine grievances that they truly believe are a direct cause of the policies of the past 30 years. They want change, and we don't know what is to become of it, but it is Change and it doesn't simply come with fear as some Egyptians might have, but also HOPE that most people have.
Yes there is fear but there is also Hope, and Egyptians and Arabs can not continue living in fear, they are taking their own fate into their own hands, and for that lets support and appluad them.
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quote:Originally posted by doodlebug: What do most people think of ElBaradei? My husband doesn't like him and says most of his friends don't like the fact that he thinks he can fly in and be an insta-leader. They'd rather see someone who's been in Egypt from the start of everything.
beleidy Amr El Beleidy People who don't like ElBaradei, use him for the transition and vote for who you like, no point starting squabbles now #Jan25 Egypt 40 minutes ago
A bit of a stupid way to think. How can anybody have an opinion about Baradei if they don't know him? Why should it be impossible for him to work as a leader? The departments are the people doing the jobs, they report the leader.
Stupid you say? I don't think so. People who initiated this revolution - which started on Twitter and FB - did not have any leader. Egyptians don't have many choices right now. ElBaradei on the other hand was before #Jan25 a well-known opponent of the Mubarak regime and he's offered to help with the transition until a new government is formed.
Honestly it would be wrong to remove all big names right now from the government (yes that's what the Egyptians want - a fresh start) but if decisions are being made too drastically it could deeply backfire on the country.
And if the situation in Egypt becomes more unstable extremists could see their golden chance and blow themselves up here and there. At least under Mubarak's iron fist such incidents didn't happen too often but this could change the longer the unrests last and no satisfying solution is found.
Btw, another million march is planned for Tuesday. Stay tuned.
Think you don't understand what I mean. The protesters are absolutely right in what they've asked for. But: what will follow after this? The Egyptians prefer a new name, perhaps as a symbol for a new future. Majority does not trust Baradei. Nevertheless the country needs a person who is able to bring stability, otherwise all this only has created chaos. The future of the world is dependant on what will happen in Egypt. The protests are growing like a inkspot. It's dangerous...
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Well let me repeat myself again. El Baradei is NOT the future, he's merely available to help transition from chaos to a new government.
Amr Moussa (head of the Arab League) said yesterday that he would like to see a multi-party democracy for Egypt and I can only agree with him. It means different parties - which are chosen by the Egyptian people in fair elections - have to make a coalition to rule the country together. I think this makes a lot of sense. You don't want to have another NDP or the MB alone in power. Nothing would change; infact it could get worse.
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Come on guys, lets not focus too much on him. He is merely an instrument in this point of the revolution. Which is a point in which the opposition (Wafd, April 6, MB, Kefaya, Socialist, Rightist, Centrist, Christians, and everyone else) is against the NDP.
When the NDP is toppled, and when free elections are in place, these same parties in the opposition, and newer ones I imagine will all be vying for power. Coalitions will be formed and it will be very interesting to see how people will vote.
We don't know how they will vote. If the NDP is toppled, and if a civil war doesn't ensue, this will be the very first time that true free elections will occur.
The last semi "free elections" in 2005, the Muslim Brotherhood won 20% of parliment seats. This was despite widespread voter fraud by the NDP. My guess is that they can win 35% of seats outright. That is still 15% short of a majority, and even if they do have a majority coalition, I truley believe Egypt will have a balanced goverment.
If we are talking personally, then personally I wish for Pro Pan-Arab goverment. One that is centrist. One that will have the best interest of Egypt and bond closely with other Arab socities, especially nations with regimes that will hopefully topple.
I would like to see free travel and trade amongst Arab nations. I would like to pressure applied on Israel and the US with regards to their foreign policies. I would like to see visionaries in power, those with a foresight for the future. I also hope that westernized Arabs are part of any new goverments as they can help develope and organize nations. I hope to see westernized Arabs return from exile, to take part in a new Era. I don't want these people alienated like they have been by current regimes.
This is the kind of party I want to see in power, not just in Egypt but across the Arab World.
I won't mind concessions to Muslim Parties such as the MB, but ultimately I don't want the parties to impose their religious ideology on the people. It's politics, and give and take is part of the process, I expect it and I hope it will be conducted in a civil manner.
Enough bloodshed, Arabs have seen how others have prospered. It's time they join in the prosperity.
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Al-Jazeera is so cool. They are playing Om Kulthuum in-between their coverage of Egypt's pro-democracy uprising. Truly a revolutionary feel. Here is one of her songs, with English subtitles. Baeed 3aneck/Away From You.
Nasser in the past failed by isolating Islamists. Egypt unlike any other Arab country epitomizes these two ideologies, and let's keep in mind the significance, out of every 3 Arabs, 1 is Egyptian.
Nasserism meets Islamism is truly representative of the majority of Egypt, and for that matter, the Arab world in general.
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A great video that captures the struggle of the pro-democracy protesters making their way to Tahrir. As you know the strategy of the Interior Ministry (police) was to block all the main arteries to Tahrir. One of these arteries is Oct 6 Bridge. The will and determination of Egyptian pro-democracy protesters is an inspiration to everyone who stands for freedom, justice and democracy.
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Honestly I have mixed feelings about the whole situation. I just know the longer the uncertainty lasts of which way Egypt will go the more problems will arise. Egypt is at stake big time. Stability is needed first of all to push towards reforms. Every day which passes by is a day lost now.
And I can only hope that not all Egyptians think that when Mubarak is gone everything is gonna be instantly different and better - at least not for the next 15, 20 or more years.
And please people should also not forget that Mubarak wasn't all the monster and criminal people try to portray him right now. He did many good things for his citizens (forget here for a second the emergency rule and torture of political dissidents and arrested people in general) but especially with the living conditions of the poor, the overpopulation rate, the illiteracy rate and creating jobs he tried but his hands were tied. Not even any new president will overcome these hurdles for many many years - if ever. Don't expect wonders. We have democratic countries here in the Western world and not even here all people live like they should.
Mubarak ruled his country harshly but successful for almost 30 years. Overall Egypt was a stable country. He enjoyed excellent relationships with many other nations. Of course there is a big fear present right now of what will happen inside and outside of Egypt once he's gone.
And also let's not forget that many, many Egyptians lived great because of Mubarak, the profited from the high corruption rate in the country, they are just as much to blame as the still-President himself.
Right now I feel like Egyptians want to break loose from their dictatorial government no matter what it will costs and how many lives have to be shed, they want to be free, but no one really knows how to and moreso what's gonna happen next.
Not to have a plan is not good to say the least.
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quote:Originally posted by tigerlily_egypt: And please people should also not forget that Mubarak wasn't all the monster and criminal people try to portray him right now.
Really?!
Torture and Sexual Exploitation of Prisoners
Police and the Security forces engaged repeatedly in stripping and blindfolding victims; suspending victims by the wrists and ankles in contorted positions or from a ceiling or door-frame with feet just touching the floor; beating victims with fists, whips, metal rods, or other objects; using electric shocks; dousing victims with cold water; and sexual abuse, including sodomy.
Your opinion and mine for that matter are insignificant. The Egyptian people are the ones who suffered for 30 years. They are the ones who have been victims for 30 years. Their voice is loud and clear and your sentence about Mubarak not being that bad, contradicts their suffering.
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It is as if how people talk about somebody who has died: good, and positive. Of course also Mubarak has done positive things. Maybe under pressure from other, but he did. To me the most important proof of his real intentions is the fact that he denies to go when his people are begging for it. While the country is at war. While there is chaos and unsafety. Have you seen what they have done during the last week? Then, to me, it is the proof that Mubarak is a monster and a selfish one too!
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