quote:Originally posted by metinoot: I had heard Tony Blair was leaning towards "stability" and not so much in favor of the pro-democracy protesters.
What is the view among Brits right now?
That is, brits in Britain that don't have such a person stake in the protests?
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quote:Originally posted by Shanta Qadeama: Well Tony Bliar would - 1 million of us marched in Central London against the invasion of Iraq and he totally bloody well ignored us and did it anyway. But let's not derail the thread. Off to bed before my head explodes.
I am just wondering what Brits thought of all this in the UK due to the kind of reporting coming out of the BBC.
For a couple days there, Tuesday and Wednesday it sounded like the 700 club had taken over.
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quote:Originally posted by metinoot: I had heard Tony Blair was leaning towards "stability" and not so much in favor of the pro-democracy protesters.
What is the view among Brits right now?
That is, brits in Britain that don't have such a person stake in the protests?
They think it's bloody awful what happened to the mummies. We would have been happy to take safe care of them in the British Museum
LondonToCairo Sam Welbeck Please excuse me I must go offline - please keep RT my last tweets - I'm going offline for a reason - please RT my last tweets
Its the news channel that has tempered the views of in regards to Americans as all being from the bible belt.
My grandmother would blare the 700 Club on Sunday morning to punish my grandfather for his activities on Saturday night. My grandfather could drink an entire case of beer in a sitting, and was a staunch liberal and quite agnostic.
It would make him crazy, and he'd leave the house for the weekend.
Google "Tammy Fay Baker" the images tab for a revolting laugh.
Pat Robertson was always going on about the Middle East and how Arabs must be purged from the Middle East so Jews could reclaim "God's Kingdom" and thus break about the Apocalypse and the seconding coming of Jesus. You might want to google a video on it, because Pat Robertson also gave these speeches with a hardon. Later Pat Robertson was ousted for "adultry" and begged his followers for forgiveness.
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I saw this tweet on London to cairos wall and didn't know what she meant so I went to her wall. It has her and a group of others say tahair is peaceful all is good but then if you follow each of their pages they turn out to be pro Mubarak supporters. It's funny how anti are terrified sending out messages of warning when pro are saying it's Peaceful
I don't know if it's scaremongering or spiders pulling flies into the web
LondonToCairo RT @sophie_tolba: @sophie_tolba @LondonToCairo i shall ivestigate the matter and report back - how can you do that? Who are you? 30 minutes ago
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Seriously though, here in the UK general conscensus seems to hinge on what is said by the BBC. It seems to be taken as gospel. Initially Brits were on the side of the protestors, because the BBC were, but there is a complete turnaround with them now after Mubarak's last interview.
They're banging on now about the Muslim Brotherhood. Mubarak is sharp - this has got them spooked.
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quote:Originally posted by Monkey: Seriously though, here in the UK general conscensus seems to hinge on what is said by the BBC. It seems to be taken as gospel. Initially they were on the side of the people, because the BBC were, but there is a complete turnaround with them now after Mubarak's last interview.
They're banging on now about the Muslim Brotherhood. Mubarak is still sharp - this has got them spooked.
Exactly and thats why I am really concerned about the reporting of the protests by the BBC.
What the western leaders are concerned about, mainly, is a new Egypt government scraping the Camp David Accords.
Carter might've characterized himself as a democrat, but in reality he's a dixiecrat. Dixcrats staunchly side with the Zionist agenda. This biblical view of Israel affected how Carter pushed the Camp David Accord in the direction of Zionist, Christian and Jewish Zionist alike.
Sadat sold Palestines future and Arab unity for the price of a few helicopters and hollywood friends. then he was shot.
This does play into how western nations foreign policy will support or intervene to install another puppet at the Presidential Palace.
Which is why the BBC is trying to raly support for a Zionist view of the demonstrations.
Thats why I was pissed at the BBC.
Screw the Camp David Accords, support what is the will of the Egyptian people.
The assumption is that the MB will tear apart the Camp David Accords or disregard it. Problem with this concept is, the assumption is no Mubarak means only the MB will take over at the Presidential Palace.
thats not necessarily the case. This is fear mongering much in the same manner the NDP is using state television to spread false reports in favor of the police thugs.
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Watched Question Time tonight and Claire Short had it sussed but the woman from the Daily Mail was doing all the scare tactics about Muslim extremists blah blah Posts: 4476 | From: Scotland | Registered: Mar 2006
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Haven't spoken to MoNing or Penny but they are in Alex and I have heard that things are a bit tougher up there. BUT I don't know.
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I'm disgusted at BBC and co using the Muslim Brotherhood as a scare tactic if that is what they are doing. My dad was going on about BBC last night on the phone over my mum's shoulder but I said I get BBC World not regular BBC. He didn't say why he wanted me to watch it but it was probably that. It does spook people.
Like it or not, in a true democracy people can vote for 'the wrong party' and that is what concerns certain governments.
No more shall I say.
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quote:Originally posted by Shanta Qadeama: I'm disgusted at BBC and co using the Muslim Brotherhood as a scare tactic if that is what they are doing. My dad was going on about BBC last night on the phone over my mum's shoulder but I said I get BBC World not regular BBC. He didn't say why he wanted me to watch it but it was probably that. It does spook people.
Like it or not, in a true democracy people can vote for 'the wrong party' and that is what concerns certain governments.
No more shall I say.
Two points:
1. The Egyptian people really hasn't had free and fair elections before. Why not give them just an opportunity to vote in an election that isn't rigged?
Why deprive Egypt of democracy?
How many nations freed from dictators, have an actual free election and it gets worse? I can't think of one.
2. The BBC is trying so hard to filter out information that might paint a more sympathetic picture of the demonstrators.
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I have been really impressed with their reporting up until now. But I'm looking now - the live stream is back on but it's all reruns from last night. It may be they just don't have anyone in Tahrir Square anymore to keep it current.
I don't think Mr McCain's speech was particularly smart. Americans stamping their feet and saying you're not allowed to be led by the MB isn't going to help. I don't think it's a great idea. Shariah law combined with the amount of corruption (it isn't going to disappear overnight) is a scary prospect. Banging on about how Shariah law is a terrible thing in itself when you're addressing Muslims is downright stupid, however. He just reiterated that they need democracy, so long as they choose whoever America likes.
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quote:Originally posted by Shanta Qadeama: I'm disgusted at BBC and co using the Muslim Brotherhood as a scare tactic if that is what they are doing. My dad was going on about BBC last night on the phone over my mum's shoulder but I said I get BBC World not regular BBC. He didn't say why he wanted me to watch it but it was probably that. It does spook people.
Like it or not, in a true democracy people can vote for 'the wrong party' and that is what concerns certain governments.
No more shall I say.
Some guy put a message on a BBC message board saying that the brotherhood would take over and tall hell would be let loose...thus scaring people....I have put the whole view now and it is quitened down. The trouble with the UK is that they have only had the experience of the bombers and this is mostly from the Pakistani world...they have no understanding of other Muslim countries.
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Revolution in Egypt and Beyond It's about time, says Doug Casey.
Doug: I'm not saying I favor the unpleasantness and inconvenience for so many people that comes with such events, but this upheaval is long overdue. These Arab countries have long been the most repressive places in the world, with the possible exception of the despotisms in Africa, to their south. It's very good to see these regimes being overthrown. And the revolution – hopefully that's what it is – is internally generated. It's not the product of an invasion by foreign troops from an alien culture, which is what happened in Iraq and Afghanistan. Regime change in that whole part of the world is inevitable, necessary, and salubrious. The problematic question is: what are the old regimes going to be replaced with?
L: Fair enough. Let's take this one piece at a time… I think I know what you'll say, but do you think this is a fire that's going to spread, or were Tunisia and Egypt just particularly rickety?
Doug: I think it is going to spread, and I'll tell you why:
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Betrayal Is that the eventual fate for the Egyptian revolution?
There is nothing in this dark and cynical world that is more beautiful than when a people rises up en masse against its suffocating and predatory political system and tells its murderous "leaders" to get the hell out of the country. Such a scene is all the more inspiring when it is motivated solely by the hope for freedom and prosperity, and the participants resort to the protest instead of the assault rifle. In the face of such a powerful grassroots lunge toward liberty, it is a foregone conclusion that the "leaders" of the country will eventually be forced to abdicate power and run for their lives. When this happens, the victorious and free people will fill the streets and countryside with joyous and uproarious song. They will have won the battle for liberty.
The truth is, however, that running the bastards out of town is at most only half the battle, because there are always plenty of bastards waiting in the wings to betray the revolution and assume power themselves. In fact, chances are that the new bastards have already made powerful contacts within the military and police and quiet agreements with foreign governments to reinstate a moderated form of the old system even before the old bastard is finally ousted. They will assume the throne and re-enslave the people, perhaps slightly less onerously than before, but enslave them nonetheless. [...]
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Have heard from a friend up the road on another compound that the net might be going down again in Egypt today - not sure how true it is - rumours as we know are rife at the moment.
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And there are rumours of a march to the palace. This will affect certain roads to the airport.
News from airport this morning though, taxis ran as normal, roads in all clear and the airport is running well and it stinks like crapola and is dirty as hell. Advised to take own food, water and loo roll too. But most folk I know buggered off to the Novotel for a beer instead of sitting in hotel.
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The BBC are streaming live again from Tahrir Square. I don't think I ever saw so many people. I have no sound but it looks peaceful.
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morning all, can anyone give a brief recap on what's been happening overnight or point me to somewhere, net is slow as a snail, woke up with thumping head and ran out of Cleopatra, ggggrrrr
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@Sashyra If it's the one taken by Sandmonkey that was posted earlier in the thread, trucks were reversing over people on the bridge. It's horrendous. But we should see it. The world needs to be watching.
@Ayisha Last night was weird. At one point on twitter there was report after report of the army leaving, 80 - 100 cars full of pro Mubarak people arriving, then they were countered by reports that everything was calm. It would appear it was some kind of scare tactic - general conscensus was it was calm. There were absolutely no journos present though. Those who are braving it out were probably getting some shut eye for today.
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Ayisha - as far as we know relatively quiet night was passed in Tahrir. No idea about the rest of Egypt.
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Monkey... Don't turn up volume and judge with your own eyes whas hapenning. I suggest a lot of folk do that.
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I still not have the nerve to watch this.Dont think will.
sash, no one was hurt, miraculously. Just shows how much he loves his people though. Posts: 15090 | From: http://www.egyptalk.com/forum/ | Registered: Jul 2004
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Pro-M thugs and police preventing pro-democracy protestors from marching from Shoubra to Midan Tahrir. Using live fire to turn them back. Army simply watching.
AJ live
note: Shoubra is an area north of Cairo, but not too far from Tahrir.
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Egyptian president Hosni Mubarak: It'll be chaos if I quit Egyptian president Hosni Mubarak said he wanted to step down but feared there would be chaos if he did so.
Caption on the picture: Street fight: Anti-government protesters throw stones at Mr Mubarak’s supporters in Cairo (Picture: AP)
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even if you didnt want to see it, if your watching AJ they showed them both on there
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The Metro paper is issued by the Daily Mail and it was them apparently spreading scare stories re the MB yesterday in the UK that freaked the Brits back home out.
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There doesn't seem to be any trouble. People are milling about, chanting, smiling. Doesn't look like an angry crowd anymore. Can't see any evidence of any pro Mubaraks.
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quote:Originally posted by Shanta Qadeama: The Metro paper is issued by the Daily Mail and it was them apparently spreading scare stories re the MB yesterday in the UK that freaked the Brits back home out.
that's good to know...thanks.
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quote:Originally posted by Monkey: There doesn't seem to be any trouble. People are milling about, chanting, smiling. Doesn't look like an angry crowd anymore. Can't see any evidence of any pro Mubaraks.
I don't think there will be violence in Tahrir during daytime. Tantawi (Def. Minister), and other top Generals were there "inspecting" the Square.
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I spoke to Mr T yesterday and asked him about his feelings to outside influences. He said he doesn't know anyone himself that is mistrustful of foreigners but he said he doesn't care what other presidents prime ministers and leaders say because him and those he knows want this to be an Egyptian people win. Without outside influences. He said they need to do this for them and by themselves
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I still not have the nerve to watch this.Dont think will.
I don't know if it has already been mentioned on here, but I have seen a different video. A white car ran down countless people, you can see one person being flung off it as the car drives down the street. Does anyone know the deathcount for that, surely a least a few died? I will try to find the video...
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WK i saw the same video and they just showed its on AJ. They said it was a miracle no one was killed
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Watching AJE... the scene in Tahrir is REALLY amazing! It's fantastic...
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I still not have the nerve to watch this.Dont think will.
I don't know if it has already been mentioned on here, but I have seen a different video. A white car ran down countless people, you can see one person being flung off it as the car drives down the street. Does anyone know the deathcount for that, surely a least a few died? I will try to find the video...
This same one was showed from different angles as far as I can see and no one was hurt. There is apparently another of a tank or car or something backing over people but not seen that one. If anyone can post that again please?
Listening to AJ live feed now
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Friday Tahrir Sermon: “the people reject American and outside influences, the people reject the opposition parties negotiating on the people behalf, if they want dialogue, it must be with the people”
also
“this revolution is not about religion and is not about any ideology, it is about all of Egypt right for freedom”
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mosaaberizing Mosa'ab Elshamy by Sandmonkey New comers applauded by us but foreigners are met with extra cheers. #Tahrir
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