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Pillar, I’m starting to feel you just have a go at me for the sake of having a go at me. That is perfectly ok by me, it has kept me entertained on the snowy afternoon, but don’t try to hide behind it being for actual valid reasons. Please look at my two first posts above (read them properly), and quote what bits so offended you. In fact, just look at the first one, that is what started it all- and you then posted “good luck wk”, but going on what someone else said, you had edited it from something worse. So, please tell, what in the post was so offensive? Was it when I disagreed with you about men respecting woman? Is this what it all comes down to, that I have different experiences with men than you do? I clearly said my generation, it was clearly an observation. I wasn’t saying “it is this way, and no other way”. So please, inform me what was so wrong about my post. Or maybe you just have issues with someone thinking people are as free as they feel, whatever their lifestyle
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quote:Originally posted by ExptinCAI: In the post you quote, you describe women who have intercourse out of wedlock as "she has to take walk of shame to the operation room all alone..."
That sounds like Egypt, not Sweden, to me. So what "western" women with corrupt morals are you describing?
Because to me (and many on here) you are describing Egyptians. Many of them muslim.
The walk of shame a.k.a abortion, any muslin woman who follows your footsteps the footsteps of 'liberality' have her own self to blame if she falls under the same destruction..
*YOUR* who is this "your" as in any muslim woman who follows your footsteps.
Are you - the pious muslimah that you are - making judgments about ME? Are you - the pious muslimah that you are, making those judgments falsely? They are certainly not based on anything I wrote on this board. My footsteps to abortion? To "Liberty"?
What? I would at this point ask if you were drunk if posted this, had you not made it so clear that you're a pious muslimah who wouldn't admit to as much.
I'm saying the "walk of shame" you describe is more common in Egypt than Sweden.
Please explain how this fits with your "liberal" evil western ways.
YOUR sisters probably get more abortions in secret than your fellow swedish citizens. (And no, there's no official statistics, which is part of the "walk of shame" you describe. Swedish women are not made to feel guilty and try to hide the decision they're legally given by their government.)
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quote:Originally posted by Pillar: (the term 'actual fact', btw of gold, is used often in the English language to describe things that are not scientifically proven)
quote:Originally posted by Pillar: (the term 'actual fact', btw of gold, is used often in the English language to describe things that are not scientifically proven)
is it??
Um, no. It isn't. In fact, if Pillar bothered to use a dictionary, she would find it's a redundancy as by definition all facts are actual.
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quote:Originally posted by Pillar: (the term 'actual fact', btw of gold, is used often in the English language to describe things that are not scientifically proven)
quote:Originally posted by Pillar: (the term 'actual fact', btw of gold, is used often in the English language to describe things that are not scientifically proven)
1. something known to be true: something that can be shown to be true, to exist, or to have happened
2. truth or reality of something: the truth or actual existence of something, as opposed to the supposition of something or a belief about something based on fact
3. piece of information: a piece of information, e.g. a statistic or a statement of the truth
So we can assume from this that an 'actual fact' is something that IS proven as opposed to something that is NOT proven? I do hope so, being English myself I wouldnt like to think I have used this wrongly all these years Posts: 15090 | From: http://www.egyptalk.com/forum/ | Registered: Jul 2004
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I'm sorry Ayisha, but you're wrong. As I posted, it's a redundancy. By definition, anything labeled a "fact" has to also by definition be "actual"
so it's a bit like saying PIN (Personal Identification Number Number)
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yes Exp I get that, like saying a real fact or a true fact, but its the bit about it being used for something NOT proven thats getting to me. Surely if something is fact then it IS proven, scientifically or otherwise?
Like for instance the big bang 'theory' has not been scientifically proven so I wouldnt say it is an actual fact. Pillar is saying she would use 'actual fact' for this as its not been scientifically proven. Posts: 15090 | From: http://www.egyptalk.com/forum/ | Registered: Jul 2004
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quote:Originally posted by Pillar: (the term 'actual fact', btw of gold, is used often in the English language to describe things that are not scientifically proven)
is it??
Um, no. It isn't. In fact, if Pillar bothered to use a dictionary, she would find it's a redundancy as by definition all facts are actual.
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looking up acronym and savant and will get back to ya both
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quote:Originally posted by Ayisha: yes Exp I get that, like saying a real fact or a true fact, but its the bit about it being used for something NOT proven thats getting to me. Surely if something is fact then it IS proven, scientifically or otherwise?
Like for instance the big bang 'theory' has not been scientifically proven so I wouldnt say it is an actual fact. Pillar is saying she would use 'actual fact' for this as its not been scientifically proven.
Ayisha, I believe this is why it is called a theory...
Pillar, can safely say that her theory is that men do not respect a woman if she sleeps with him too soon.
She can also call it her hypothesis which is an educated guess based on some previous observation or experience.
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who is playing at British Exp?? I am Brit, Pillar is Brit, of_gold is from over the pond
im confused on the actually thingy though
My brian hurts now
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^hmmmm this could explain why we are having trouble communicating... You British people talk funny.
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Read the OP and I have not read the thread........ but my instinct is to say NO for the LOV of God NO do not pursue it. Other side of the world, guy from a little village. This is not how stella got her groove back.
quote: It is an actual fact that the English can't even speak English!
(According to the bold new definition of fact)
Lets remember who it was that couldn't understand the word "top! Darn Americans
Fact is fact... but for some reason, sticking the world "actual" in front of it, turns fact into opinion. Had I known English was so complicated, I would have just started out with mandarin.
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quote:Originally posted by Pillar: (the term 'actual fact', btw of gold, is used often in the English language to describe things that are not scientifically proven)
is it??
Um, no. It isn't. In fact, if Pillar bothered to use a dictionary, she would find it's a redundancy as by definition all facts are actual.
In actual fact people use it quite a lot, but you people just loooove to pull people apart dontcha. Why bother reading a dictionary when I have all of you 'experts' to tell me how the world works?
There you go, its used, people use it, you may not like it, but it is used in everyday language, if you want to get you knickers in a twist over it, be my guest
so, seeing as it means the same as 'actually' you will find that we often use actually about things that are not the same as scientifically proven facts.
And of Gold, dont presume to know what I might hypothesize or how I might reach my conclusions because I'm still neither a man or prostitute...If I want you to know what my hypothesis is, I will tell you. (or one of the ES experts will tell you )
And while you experts are at it, you might want to contact the BBC
"Note that we can also use in actual fact or as a matter of fact to clarify matters or to introduce new information:"
Now if you recall I said the use of 'in actual fact' was not for scientific FACT, as Of-Gold jumped on me saying that what I was saying was not FACT, as it was not proven to be so...The use of this term does not CLAIM to be stating something as a Scientifically proven FACT.
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quote:Now if you recall I said the use of 'in actual fact' was not for scientific FACT, as Of-Gold jumped on me saying that what I was saying was not FACT, as it was not proven to be so...The use of this term does not CLAIM to be stating something as a Scientifically proven FACT.
nah ya dint
quote:(the term 'actual fact', btw of gold, is used often in the English language to describe things that are not scientifically proven)
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quote:Now if you recall I said the use of 'in actual fact' was not for scientific FACT, as Of-Gold jumped on me saying that what I was saying was not FACT, as it was not proven to be so...The use of this term does not CLAIM to be stating something as a Scientifically proven FACT.
nah ya dint
quote:(the term 'actual fact', btw of gold, is used often in the English language to describe things that are not scientifically proven)
Well thats what I MEANT, of course i didnt mean that it is a general term to describe all that is NOT scientific, cos that would be ridiculous.
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quote:Originally posted by CairoStudent: Read the OP and I have not read the thread........ but my instinct is to say NO for the LOV of God NO do not pursue it. Other side of the world, guy from a little village. This is not how stella got her groove back.
The question was posted in December 2006. What is the mysterious reason for it's resurrection?
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quote:Now if you recall I said the use of 'in actual fact' was not for scientific FACT, as Of-Gold jumped on me saying that what I was saying was not FACT, as it was not proven to be so...The use of this term does not CLAIM to be stating something as a Scientifically proven FACT.
nah ya dint
quote:(the term 'actual fact', btw of gold, is used often in the English language to describe things that are not scientifically proven)
Well thats what I MEANT, of course i didnt mean that it is a general term to describe all that is NOT scientific, cos that would be ridiculous.
well thats what I thought! now you put the 'in' in it im a bit wiser-ish Posts: 15090 | From: http://www.egyptalk.com/forum/ | Registered: Jul 2004
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Alhmdulillah my dad values the manners and religion far more then money and talking with the brother is a big deal for us we don't have to open our legs in order to get to know him, unlike so called free women of 2009.. No one is holding a gun in his head, I'm sure some parasites have told some women here and there their little sad story on how their own family forced them to to get married to their poor little cousin (that he can't stand and yet have kids with each year )and that he never got the chance to be in love before.. Man some people are just easy
And if a man wants have a second wife the future second wife has the choice to enter the marriage contract or not, and the first has the same rights to either get a divorced or stay with him.. No one is forcing anyone into anything here..
I've lived in Egypt for one year and tonight I saw for the first time a magazine called Just Divorced. A magazine dedicated to the prevention of divorce. Interesting to note that according to this magazine Egypt's divorce rate is over 40%. Egypt was ranked like number 3 in the world for the highest divorce rate.
And really Modesty, I did not say anyone was being "forced" into anything. Those were your words - a subliminal slip of the tongue I'm sure. I also never said that one must open their legs in order to get to know someone - again those were your words. Just keep convincing yourself that you have freedom of choice, that letting your father choose your potential husband and that sitting with a man and talking to him with other people watching you like a hawk leads to a successful marriage. Keep convincing yourself that you will fall in love with him after you marry him. The only real choice you have is to make the final decision from among the handful of potential applicants your father has pre-interviewed for you. These guys made it to the final round - you simply get to pick the one that gets the golden ticket.
Most of these guys don't have a choice either. They were equally "forced" by their father and mother to even go and talk to your father in the first place.
So, do you think this is a good way to choose the person you will spend the rest of your life with? Or do you think it explains why the divorce rate in Egypt is over 40%? You decide.
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quote:Originally posted by MoDeStY: [QUOTE]And if a man wants have a second wife the future second wife has the choice to enter the marriage contract or not, and the first has the same rights to either get a divorced or stay with him.. No one is forcing anyone into anything here..
In a perfect world maybe. But when these guys are out trying to pick up other woman they conveniently forget that they are married. I had a friend who was heavily pursued by a man. After several weeks passed he told her matter of factly "by the way, I'm getting married tomorrow." My friend sent the guy on his merry way, but he called her from his wedding party begging her not to leave him.
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quote:Originally posted by Pillar: (the term 'actual fact', btw of gold, is used often in the English language to describe things that are not scientifically proven)
is it??
Um, no. It isn't. In fact, if Pillar bothered to use a dictionary, she would find it's a redundancy as by definition all facts are actual.
In actual fact people use it quite a lot, but you people just loooove to pull people apart dontcha. Why bother reading a dictionary when I have all of you 'experts' to tell me how the world works?
There you go, its used, people use it, you may not like it, but it is used in everyday language, if you want to get you knickers in a twist over it, be my guest
so, seeing as it means the same as 'actually' you will find that we often use actually about things that are not the same as scientifically proven facts.
And of Gold, dont presume to know what I might hypothesize or how I might reach my conclusions because I'm still neither a man or prostitute...If I want you to know what my hypothesis is, I will tell you. (or one of the ES experts will tell you )
And while you experts are at it, you might want to contact the BBC
"Note that we can also use in actual fact or as a matter of fact to clarify matters or to introduce new information:"
Now if you recall I said the use of 'in actual fact' was not for scientific FACT, as Of-Gold jumped on me saying that what I was saying was not FACT, as it was not proven to be so...The use of this term does not CLAIM to be stating something as a Scientifically proven FACT.
both of the links you provide pretty much concur with what I posted.
what you wrote is:
"the term 'actual fact', btw of gold, is used often in the English language to describe things that are not scientifically proven"
which is utter crap. you may want to look up the definition of "fact". any adjective or adverb you place in front of it may modify the noun, but does not change the meaning of the noun itself.
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quote:Originally posted by MoDeStY: And if a man wants have a second wife the future second wife has the choice to enter the marriage contract or not, and the first has the same rights to either get a divorced or stay with him.. No one is forcing anyone into anything here..
Ok, as you are so wise: if the first wife doesn't have any money or no place to go but she wants to divorce - what she can do? Mind you, she has been all of her life at home cooking, cleaning and taking care of children, so there's not really many jobs available for her and there already are so many unemployed people in Egypt who are looking for same jobs.
She maybe has to leave her kids with him - on the other hand if she can take them with her, she probably has no money to feed them.
Islam can give many rights but reality in Egypt can be very different. Many (Egyptian) women stay in bad marriages because they have to not because they want to. How many, don't know, nobody knows...
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quote:Originally posted by The Ministry of Common Sense:
quote:Originally posted by MoDeStY:
Alhmdulillah my dad values the manners and religion far more then money and talking with the brother is a big deal for us we don't have to open our legs in order to get to know him, unlike so called free women of 2009.. No one is holding a gun in his head, I'm sure some parasites have told some women here and there their little sad story on how their own family forced them to to get married to their poor little cousin (that he can't stand and yet have kids with each year )and that he never got the chance to be in love before.. Man some people are just easy
And if a man wants have a second wife the future second wife has the choice to enter the marriage contract or not, and the first has the same rights to either get a divorced or stay with him.. No one is forcing anyone into anything here..
I've lived in Egypt for one year and tonight I saw for the first time a magazine called Just Divorced. A magazine dedicated to the prevention of divorce. Interesting to note that according to this magazine Egypt's divorce rate is over 40%. Egypt was ranked like number 3 in the world for the highest divorce rate.
And really Modesty, I did not say anyone was being "forced" into anything. Those were your words - a subliminal slip of the tongue I'm sure. I also never said that one must open their legs in order to get to know someone - again those were your words. Just keep convincing yourself that you have freedom of choice, that letting your father choose your potential husband and that sitting with a man and talking to him with other people watching you like a hawk leads to a successful marriage. Keep convincing yourself that you will fall in love with him after you marry him. The only real choice you have is to make the final decision from among the handful of potential applicants your father has pre-interviewed for you. These guys made it to the final round - you simply get to pick the one that gets the golden ticket.
Most of these guys don't have a choice either. They were equally "forced" by their father and mother to even go and talk to your father in the first place.
So, do you think this is a good way to choose the person you will spend the rest of your life with? Or do you think it explains why the divorce rate in Egypt is over 40%? You decide.
Excellent post Mini, very well put
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First thought that Modesty was a man, but it seems to be a woman, pretending to be Egyptian? No Egyptian women will ever use this words, so I'm afraid that this is the work of somebody who likes to tease. I'm not going to take this seriously anymore.
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Odd that between Oct 2004 and Jan 2009 nothing else was posted though.
I first thought it was a certain troll but now am unsure, although I am crap as guessing trolls
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quote:Originally posted by ?????: First thought that Modesty was a man, but it seems to be a woman, pretending to be Egyptian? No Egyptian women will ever use this words, so I'm afraid that this is the work of somebody who likes to tease. I'm not going to take this seriously anymore.
Modesty is a woman,and not Egyptian nor Swede precisely, but is well known that she has hit on women.
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quote:Originally posted by ?????: First thought that Modesty was a man, but it seems to be a woman, pretending to be Egyptian? No Egyptian women will ever use this words, so I'm afraid that this is the work of somebody who likes to tease. I'm not going to take this seriously anymore.
Modesty is a woman,and not Egyptian nor Swede precisely, but is well known that she has hit on women.
sash ,i do declare shut my mouth plzzzzzzzz
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It doesn't matter who it is, and where it lives. It defenitly is not trying to discuss by arguments, it defenitly enjoys to be as rough as possible. So, what benefit could this argument bring me? None. I wouldn't learn something, I wouldn't know different perspectives, all what would happen, should be arguments and fights. Am I here because I love arguments and fights? Also nope. So, case closed. Let Modesty (what's in a name!) insult somebody else...
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quote:Originally posted by ?????: First thought that Modesty was a man, but it seems to be a woman, pretending to be Egyptian? No Egyptian women will ever use this words, so I'm afraid that this is the work of somebody who likes to tease. I'm not going to take this seriously anymore.
Modesty is a woman,and not Egyptian nor Swede precisely, but is well known that she has hit on women.
I thought it was that troll too sash.
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Odd that between Oct 2004 and Jan 2009 nothing else was posted though.
I first thought it was a certain troll but now am unsure, although I am crap as guessing trolls
Notice how the first person who answered her post about coming to Cairo assumed that "she" was a convert to Islam.
I have to agree. This does not sound like someone who is born Muslim. The way Modesty writes sounds too typical of the Western convert who turns into a fanatic.
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I thought so too Mini, and its interesting that in 2004 she says her family are too 'western' and now shes saying how her family do all the 'proper' meeting a prospective spouse. Also odd that she is 30 odd now and still unmarried while her sisters are all married and in love. by 30 she should have had all the meetings and the pressies from numerous prospective spouses so why still unmarried?
And why is she 6 months in each country? hijjrah means 'moving away' to somewhere else doesnt it?
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And why hasn't she just come out and told us what her actual nationality is. She has had many opportunities but all she keeps saying is she is born Muslim, not Sweedish, not Egyptian, has working knowledge of Arabic, etc.
Care to take a guess?
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I don't know anything about that. I joined this site over the summer and have not been posting much. Not really familiar with who is who and all that drama...
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quote:Originally posted by Pillar: I counted to ten and decided that if I dont have anything good to say, then better to say nothing.
I guess I just dont have your brains Of-Gold, you're too clever for me.
Agree...
quote:Originally posted by Pillar to weirdkitty: Well, unfortunately thats not how you come across, you come across as having a HUGE superiority complex.
Disagree...
quote:Originally posted by Pillar: One time, Of_gold thought I wore a burka simply because I presented an argument, now she thinks I have to be a man or a semi retired prostitute to discuss other 'facts' or attitudes (the term 'actual fact', btw of gold, is used often in the English language to describe things that are not scientifically proven)
huh??? You have been here since December. There have been no discussions about burkas in forever, and if there were I doubt I said that you wear one because "I CAN NOT SEE YOU".
Also, you might want to go back and review what I said. I sarcastically asked if you are a man because you claim to know the mind of a man. There is a huge difference between a question and a statement. Same as there is a huge difference between a fact and an opinion.
Are you LML?
quote:Originally posted by Pillar: And of Gold, dont presume to know what I might hypothesize or how I might reach my conclusions because I'm still neither a man or prostitute...If I want you to know what my hypothesis is, I will tell you. (or one of the ES experts will tell you )
Did I??? As I recall I said that you "COULD" say it was a hypothesis. You cannot say it is a fact, at least and be correct that is.
As ExptinCAI clearly points out your links make it clear why you don't understand what anyone else is saying. You are using a book of "Common Errors in English" as your dictionary. Posts: 3891 | From: No good deed goes unpunished. | Registered: May 2007
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