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Perhaps that team can explain why Nefertiti her skin complexion is the way it is on there. Of course the racist French chick Elisabeth Daynes, is on the team again, duh.
ANCIENT EGYPT: MUMMY OF QUEEN NEFERTITI BROUGHT TO LIFE WITH CONTROVERSIAL FAIR SKIN IN 3-D SCAN
And if Tutankhamen is the offspring, and had they had him like this?
How come, a white person in 2018 decides to give her a skin complexion similarly to their own.
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The complexion they gave her is close to the pigment used to depict her on the relief. what the hell are you talking about?
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quote:Originally posted by Frankly Kemet: The complexion they gave her is close to the pigment used to depict her on the relief. what the hell are you talking about?
Quite Frankly,
If you call that close, you need spectacles. There is a reason why I posted a closeup, but even that wasn’t sufficient for you. Please visit the optician rather hella quickly.
So you can observe better on Kemet.
Nefertiti’s booty,
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The bust shows her as light-skin - like a Levantine; the family of her husband were clearly more akin to North Sudanese.
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quote:Originally posted by sudaniya: The bust shows her as light-skin - like a Levantine; the family of her husband were clearly more akin to North Sudanese.
There is a lot to say about the bust. Do you really want to go there? Also the Levantine we can touch.
Now, I am not ruling out any Levantine women, because I know well they can have the same color complexion and facial features.
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These are modern Egyptian woman. The recreation of Nefertiti would fit right in:
This lie modern Egyptians are not the ancient Egyptians MUST DIE. They overwhelmingly carry DNA of their ancient ancestors and were more Middle Eastern in ancient times: Posts: 108 | From: UK | Registered: Jan 2018
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Modern Egyptian aren't the same as the ancient Egyptian unless you're talking about the black ones.
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Of course the above Y-DNA Map does not apply to Copts, who like their ancient Egyptian ancestors, carry NO Black African DNA or Arab DNA and carry overwhelmingly MID EAST DNA: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DNA_history_of_Egypt#CoptsPosts: 108 | From: UK | Registered: Jan 2018
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quote:Originally posted by Dinkum: She looks just like King Tut:
That's the problem will you wake up? You say she looks like Tut. Did it ever occur to you that something might be wrong with that Tutankhamen reconstruction?
Did it ever occur to you that the Pharaohs are depicted in Egyptian art virtually without exception as brown skinned yet they gave him a European complexion in the reconstruction?
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Here's a problem and I have corrected it in the second version unless someone can prove my version wrong
original reconstruction, Nefertiti
lioness variation, Nefertiti reconstruction, eye color black
On the flip side the above construction has fuller lips than the bust
the eye on the bust however is black
Another ancient Nefertiti sculpture
Again, compared to the reconstruction this Egyptian sculpture shows less full lips, less prognothsis and a nose thinner in the middle than in the reconstruction
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quote:Originally posted by Dinkum: Of course the above Y-DNA Map does not apply to Copts, who like their ancient Egyptian ancestors, carry NO Black African DNA or Arab DNA and carry overwhelmingly MID EAST DNA: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DNA_history_of_Egypt#Copts
lol @ "race dna." White/Black supremacists would like that I guess...
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This lie modern Egyptians are not the ancient Egyptians MUST DIE. They overwhelmingly carry DNA of their ancient ancestors and were more Middle Eastern in ancient times:
Even if it should die, research generally suggests a phenotypic (if not genotypic) cline in Egypt, and they would be representative of a northern trend that would've existed to some degree. Anyways, if you're going to assign races to genetics and are only going to look at a snapshot of Egyptian history to pretend as though its the same as having a full canvas of what happened throughout Egyptian history, go ahead. It's a dubious, but go ahead.
The DNA acquired was from one Lower Egyptian site (Lower Egyptians already being more mixed with non Africans) that had seen heavy Asiatic immigration for hundreds of years BEFORE the first of these mummies was ever born. Why do you cherry pick what the research says, when they tell you in the study about this well documented history in case you didn't know? You guys take research, strip it of it's context and try to make arguments of race, please stop.
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The bust is unveiled on live TV with a real Egyptian
to the left in white Hoda Kotb both parents Egyptian, to the middle typical NorthWestern European woman ( I forget her name) , and the but looking more English than North African.
A Convicted Forger Calls Nefertiti's Bust a Fake, from the Smithsonian YT channel
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Come on. We know the game these people play.
There are thousands of images of dark skinned pharaohs from Ancient egypt but they always use the same hand picked pictures to "prove" how they looked.
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Its very likely that Queen Nefertiti, King Tut and other members of the Amarna Dynasty were more European and Middle Eastern than Black African, just like the Abusir el Meleq mummies.
Ancient Egyptians portrayed themselves with terracotta colour skin, but so did other Mediterranean peoples, like the Minoans. Minoans were indigenous Europeans according to DNA. Posts: 108 | From: UK | Registered: Jan 2018
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According to Afrocentrics, ALL ancient Egyptian sculpture portraying Caucasians is fake. I once contacted the Egypt Museum in Cairo and asked if any of the sculpture is fake.
They replied and said ALL THEIR SCULPTURES are the REAL THING, NO FAKES. Nefertiti is NOT a fake.
Also as Iv written before, there have been 4 places in Egypt where DNA has been taken from ancient Egyptians. THEY WERE ALL MIDDLE EASTERN IN ORIGIN
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Ancient Egyptians DID NOT portray their exact likeness in sculptures. They used an idealized versions of themselves. In other words, they had themselves portrayed as more pretty or handsome.
Eliot Olisofon took good pictures of these people but the Siris site is broken and the images unavailalble....
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Eliot Olisofon took good pictures of these people but the Siris site is broken and the images unavailalble....
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quote:Originally posted by Dinkum: According to Afrocentrics, ALL ancient Egyptian sculpture portraying Caucasians is fake. I once contacted the Egypt Museum in Cairo and asked if any of the sculpture is fake.
They replied and said ALL THEIR SCULPTURES are the REAL THING, NO FAKES. Nefertiti is NOT a fake.
Also as Iv written before, there have been 4 places in Egypt where DNA has been taken from ancient Egyptians. THEY WERE ALL MIDDLE EASTERN IN ORIGIN
Of course modern cultures are fake. DUH DUMBASS!!!
Doug M posted sculptures of Armana and Nefirtiti. Now go cry out self to sleep again.
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During three seasons of research (in 2000, 2001 and 2003) carried out by the Combined Prehistoric Expedition at Gebel Ramlah in the southern part of the Egyptian Western Desert, three separate Final Neolithic cemeteries were discovered and excavated. Skeletal remains of 67 individuals, comprising both primary and secondary interments, were recovered from 32 discrete burial pits. Numerous grave goods were found, including lithics, pottery and ground stone objects, as well as items of personal adornment, pigments, shells and sheets of mica. Imports from distant areas prove far-reaching contacts. Analysis of the finds sheds important light on the burial rituals and social conditions of the Final Neolithic cattle keepers inhabiting Ramlah Playa. This community, dated to the mid-fifth millennium B.C. (calibrated), was composed of a phenotypically diverse population derived from both North and sub-Saharan Africa. There were no indications of social differentiation. The deteriorating climatic conditions probably forced these people to migrate toward the Nile Valley where they undoubtedly contributed to the birth of ancient Egyptian civilization.
—Michał Kobusiewicz, Jacek Kabaciński, Romuald Schild, Joel D. Irish and Fred Wendorf
Burial practices of the Final Neolithic pastoralists at Gebel Ramlah, Western Desert of Egypt
British Museum Studies in Ancient Egypt and Sudan 13 (2009): 147–74
quote:Originally posted by Dinkum: Ancient Egyptians DID NOT portray their exact likeness in sculptures. They used an idealized versions of themselves. In other words, they had themselves portrayed as more pretty or handsome.
DEAL WITH REALITY. AIR HEAD! THIS IS HOW SHE IS DEPICTED IN COLOR COMPLEXION BY ANCIENT EGYPTIANS!!!!! You obviously have to incredibly dumb, if you can't see this difference.
"..portrayed as more pretty or handsome.."
You are debunking yourself here, you dumbass.
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quote:Originally posted by Dinkum: Its very likely that Queen Nefertiti, King Tut and other members of the Amarna Dynasty were more European and Middle Eastern than Black African, just like the Abusir el Meleq mummies.
quote:Originally posted by Yatunde Lisa: Oh the irony...
The bust is unveiled on live TV with a real Egyptian
to the left in white Hoda Kotb both parents Egyptian, to the middle typical NorthWestern European woman ( I forget her name) , and the bust looking more English than North African.
A Convicted Forger Calls Nefertiti's Bust a Fake, from the Smithsonian YT channel
Yes, and that is what this is about. It is discussing and a slap in the face of Hoda.
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quote:Originally posted by Dinkum: THEY ARE THE SAME! This is EGYPTIAN Y-DNA SHOWING SUPER CLEARLY THEY ARE INDIGENOUS NORTH AFRICANS:
Afrocentrics just will not accept reality:
You are obviously not understand very well what this is about.
Northeast Africa was an exit for migrations, into the middle east.
Now, let's review this more critical. And dissect your B Sh*t under the microscope.
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Based on FST values, the mitochondrial genetic diversity of Soqotra is statistically different (P \ 0.01) from the comparative populations. An MDS plot of FST values shows that the Soqotra sample is clearly distinct from all sub-Saharan, North African, Middle East, and Indian populations (see Fig. 2). High differentiation of the East African groups such as the Sandawe, Hadza, Turu, Datog, and Burunge is shown on the left side of the graph. However, there is a general similarity of the remaining sub-Saharan African populations, particularly those from the Sahel band and the Chad Basin (with the exception of the Fulani nomads). Subsequently, there is a transitional zone formed by the populations from Ethiopia and the Nile Valley but also by some Yemeni groups, particularly the ones from the eastern parts of the country (Hadramawt). Finally, the cluster on the right part of the graph is composed by the Indian populations on the top, the Near and Middle Eastern groups in the middle and the populations of the Arabian peninsula at the bottom; Yemeni Jews being slightly different. The only outlier within the region of southwestern Asia is the Kalash sample that is situated on the extreme right part of the graph (see also Quintana-Murci et al., 2004). There is a general cline among all populations in the MDS plot from the Soqotri population to a cluster of Middle East and North African populations that splits into sub-Saharan and Indian populations.
Population differentiation of Soqotra from African, Middle East and Indian populations based on NRY-SNP data manifests a similar picture although the compara- tive populations are different and fewer than in the mi- tochondrial DNA analysis (see Fig. 3). A comparison of FST values shows that the only population that is not significantly different from Soqotra is that from Yemen (P [ 0.01). Similarly to mtDNA MDS plot, we observe a cline from the Soqotri population to a cluster of Middle East and North African populations that splits into sub- Saharan and Indian populations.
Phylogenetic affiliations
Within the Soqotri samples, we identified haplotypes belonging to three of the main branches of the mtDNA phylogeny (macrohaplogroups L, N, and R); notably hap- logroup M is absent (Table 2). There are only two sub- Saharan L haplotypes and they do not carry the 3594HpaI mutation so their classification is L3*; these haplotypes do not contain the specific mutations of L5b (23594HpaI) (Kivisild et al., 2004) and therefore they are possibly L3h2 as they both contain substitutions at 16111, 16184, and 16304 (see Behar et al., 2008). Macro- haplogroup N is represented by three different haplo- types of which only one can be unambiguously classified as N1a (it contains HVS-I motif 16147G-16172-16223-16248-16355). Two other N haplotypes have never been found outside Soqotra (see Table 2).
The most widespread mtDNA types in Soqotra belong to macrohaplogroup R (Table 2). The majority of R haplo- types can be classified as R0a [previously known as (preHV)1]. Three of the R haplotypes have not been previously reported. A network analysis of all Soqotri R0a haplotypes with additional sequences from Africa and Asia (see Fig. 4) shows a time to most recent common ancestor (TMRCA) of 23,339 6 8,232 YBP for R0a. It is shown that the majority of Soqotri R0a haplotypes fall into clade R0a1 (defined by variant 16355) whose TMRCA is 11,418 6 4,198 YBP. Furthermore, within R0a1, the unique Soqotri haplotypes form a new clade that is defined by variant 16172 and that we have named R0a1a1. Abu-Amero et al. (2007) identified a hap- lotype defined by variant 16355 and named it (preHV)1a1, thus it corresponds to R0a1a using the newer nomenclature and the unique Soqotri haplotypes are derived from this lineage). This Soqotri-specific clade has a very young TMRCA (3,363 6 2,378 YBP) that sug- gests the R0a1a1 haplotypes evolved on Soqotra and have not dispersed elsewhere. Two other Soqotri R hap- lotypes are not classified further than R* and are quite common in neighboring populations. Five haplotypes within macrohaplogroup R carry the 4216N1aIII variant that places them in clade JT. Of the JT haplotypes, two are unique to Soqotra; J1b is represented by two individuals and T* is represented by one individual.
The majority of NRY haplotypes in Soqotra belong to haplogroup J (85.7%), with most (45 out of 54) unclassified as J*(xJ1,J2) and a few (the remaining 9 samples) classified as J1 (see Fig. 5). It is interesting to note that NRY haplotypes lacking both M172 and M267, as in our unclassified J*, have not been previously identified on the Arabian Peninsula (Cadenas et al., 2008). Haplogroup E is represented at a frequency of 9.5% and three other haplogroups, F*(xJ,K), K*(xO,P) and R*(xR1b), are present in one individual each. It is worth noting that none of the ancient African haplogroups (A and B) were observed in Soqotra.
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In comparison with datasets from neighboring regions, the Soqotri population shows evidence of long-term isolation and autochthonous evolution of several mitochondrial haplogroups.
—Viktor Cˇ erny ́ Out of Arabia—The Settlement of Island Soqotra as Revealed by Mitochondrial and Y Chromosome Genetic Diversity
quote:African and Middle Eastern populations shared the greatest number of alleles absent from all other populations (fig. S6B).
—Sarah A. Tishkoff, The Genetic Structure and History of Africans and African Americans
Further more we have other Southern Arabians:
Akhdam
Qarra
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quote:Originally posted by Doug M: And there are Africans in Africa with the same look. There are NO Europeans that look like this.
Mangbetu are a good example of this.
head-binding is practiced all over the world, dude. some ancient European tribes used to do it too.
actually a mild form was practiced in a certain part of France until quite recently.
but why are you so obsessed with Europeans? it's the Middle East and North Africa that's relevant.
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no one does it now, i have no idea why anyone thought it looked good in the first place, but you can find it on every continent. looks like frigging aliens to me but there's no accounting for taste.
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no one does it now, i have no idea why anyone thought it looked good in the first place, but you can find it on every continent. looks like frigging aliens to me but there's no accounting for taste.
Of course I can search five-seconds, but I am asking for hands-on knowledge on ethnic groups. I guess you yourself did not know.
So do you think the Armana sculptures look like that cold adapted man from Europe, or more like people you'll find in Africa?
Ps, it's also very funny that there nothing about Africa written on that wikipage, as if there it not such history in Africa. The author(s) has to be delusional. It obviously biased, prejudice and loads of B.S..
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Ish, you are a complete waste of time to talk to. it's like a toddler trying to use the Socratic method.
if you want to discuss for the ten billionth fucking time how African ancient Egpytians look leave me out of it, i don't care. point is skull-squishing is not peculiar to Africa.
PS it's Wikipedia. stop whining and add the Africans yourself. that's the point of Wikipedia.
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quote:Originally posted by capra: Ish, you are a complete waste of time to talk to. it's like a toddler trying to use the Socratic method.
if you want to discuss for the ten billionth fucking time how African ancient Egpytians look leave me out of it, i don't care. point is skull-squishing is not peculiar to Africa.
"It's a complete waste of time". That was hilarious. The person who wrote that wiki page is a toddler. Clearly not fully developed.
You don't want to respond to a simple question, on how Africans look in comparison to the elongated Armana sculptures, but you quickly popped up showing a European man, to make a point. It's hilarious, I can give you that. Socratic?
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^^^ It is not clear what the boundaries of the back of her head are because of that hairstyle
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Doug, i don't care whether a European ever lived who looked anything like the bust of Queen Nefertiti. make yourself useful and add the Mangbetu to the Wikipedia article, why don't you.
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I am wondering why they are living in tents... If they are Saudis, why they are living in poverty and the government does not share the country's wealthy with them.
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quote:Originally posted by Dinkum: Its very likely that Queen Nefertiti, King Tut and other members of the Amarna Dynasty were more European and Middle Eastern than Black African, just like the Abusir el Meleq mummies.
Ancient Egyptians portrayed themselves with terracotta colour skin, but so did other Mediterranean peoples, like the Minoans. Minoans were indigenous Europeans according to DNA.
As everyone else has sort of nudged you towards with these pictures: What makes you think saying someone is genetically more closely related to someone European will make them classified the same racially? It is not very common for Europeans to have skin as dark as the AE. AND they came from Sudan, often with full lips, and curly hair? Look, the Sudanese the Upper Egyptians descended from look like this:
I mean what if we saw ancient people living in China, Europe or the Near East with lighter skin and said "oh that person can't be Asian or can't be white because Igbo and Khoisan can be very light skinned?" Well that's what you sound like right now.
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DNA of ancient Egyptians debunks so called black sculptures, paintings and everything else. Recreations of ancient Egyptians by REAL FORENSIC SCIENTISTS show ancient Egyptians were Caucasians.
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Why do Afrocentrics never look at DNA??????
The vast majority of Europeans ARE MIDDLE EASTERN CAUCASIANS IN ORIGIN. Their DNA originated from the MIDDLE EAST about 8000 years ago. Some Northern Europeans carry Y-DNA from East Asia
quote:Originally posted by Dinkum: [QB] Why do Afrocentrics never look at DNA??????
A 2012 study done on the mummified remains of Ramesses III and his son determined that both y-chromosomes belonged to Haplogroup E1b1a (Y-DNA). The pharaoh’s y-chromosome belongs to the most frequent haplogroup among contemporary Sub-Saharan y-chromosomes
“Genetic kinship analyses revealed identical haplotypes in both mummies (table 1); using the Whit Athey’s haplogroup predictor, we determined the Y chromosomal haplogroup E1b1a. The testing of polymorphic autosomal microsatellite loci provided similar results in at least one allele of each marker (table 2).”
–Hawass et al 2012. Revisiting the harem conspiracy and death of Ramesses III. British Medical Journal, BMJ2012;345:e8268
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quote:Originally posted by Dinkum: Why do Afrocentrics never look at DNA??????
The vast majority of Europeans ARE MIDDLE EASTERN CAUCASIANS IN ORIGIN. Their DNA originated from the MIDDLE EAST about 8000 years ago. Some Northern Europeans carry Y-DNA from East Asia
Have you considered why they posted some of the pictures they did? Socotra are heavily haplogroup J but do not look at all like Europeans or "white" Near Easterners. You are again trying to use DNA to determine "race" by suggesting that people of the same race will also be genetically closest to one another when this is NOT always true. In the streets of Europe these kids would be black:
But they'd be closer to modern Near Easterners genetically than they would a Sub Saharan "black Africans." Even if Sudan were riddled with haplogroup J migrants, how do you know these hypothetical Upper Egyptians didn't look like these back migrants simply by looking at their genetic profile?
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MIDDLE EASTERN FARMERS MIGRATED EUROPE. NORTH AFRICA, CENTRAL ASIA and NORTHERN INDIA about 9000 - 6000 years ago and thats why all these peoples resemble Mid East people.
Ancient Egyptians looking just like their Middle Eastern ancestors:
quote:Originally posted by Dinkum: [QB] Why do Afrocentrics never look at DNA??????
A 2012 study done on the mummified remains of Ramesses III and his son determined that both y-chromosomes belonged to Haplogroup E1b1a (Y-DNA). The pharaoh’s y-chromosome belongs to the most frequent haplogroup among contemporary Sub-Saharan y-chromosomes
“Genetic kinship analyses revealed identical haplotypes in both mummies (table 1); using the Whit Athey’s haplogroup predictor, we determined the Y chromosomal haplogroup E1b1a. The testing of polymorphic autosomal microsatellite loci provided similar results in at least one allele of each marker (table 2).”
–Hawass et al 2012. Revisiting the harem conspiracy and death of Ramesses III. British Medical Journal, BMJ2012;345:e8268
Dinkum, look who's ignoring the DNA. It's you
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As for Ramesses 3, I never said there were no Sub Saharan Africans in Egypt, just that the majority were MID EAST in origin.
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quote:Originally posted by Dinkum: MIDDLE EASTERN FARMERS MIGRATED EUROPE. NORTH AFRICA, CENTRAL ASIA and NORTHERN INDIA about 9000 - 6000 years ago and thats why all these peoples resemble Mid East people.
Ancient Egyptians looking just like their Middle Eastern ancestors:
quote:Originally posted by Dinkum: MIDDLE EASTERN FARMERS MIGRATED EUROPE. NORTH AFRICA, CENTRAL ASIA and NORTHERN INDIA about 9000 - 6000 years ago and thats why all these peoples resemble Mid East people.
Ancient Egyptians looking just like their Middle Eastern ancestors:
IDK how the bottom left looks white to you and black people can have facial features found on whites. At least one of the scribes imaged was originally very dark skinned, which you can tell by looking at larger full images that reveal parts of the body where the paint didn't fade. But for now let's ignore that, I will ask you once more I'm going to just ask you this one question: When and where in Egypt did these Egyptians come from? What we already talked about covers a lot of this.
quote:Originally posted by Dinkum: As for Ramesses 3, I never said there were no Sub Saharan Africans in Egypt, just that the majority were MID EAST in origin.
And you're determining this from what? one gravesite that was Lower Egyptian AND then subject to Near East occupation for centuries? How do you determine their race by their haplogroup? Lets assume Upper Egypt was heavily J. Looking at the art and self portrayals they made, How do you know UPPER EGYPTIANS wouldn't have originally looked like this:
Native Near Easterners don't have to be white.
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some ancient European tribes used to do it too. 
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The author(s) has to be delusional. It obviously biased, prejudice and loads of B.S..
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