Watch the short video where he says that Obama deceives people.
The truth is out!
quote: Independent presidential candidate Ralph Nader accused Sen. Barack Obama, the presumed Democratic Party nominee, of downplaying poverty issues, trying to "talk white" and appealing to "white guilt" during his run for the White House.
quote: "He wants to show that he is not a threatening . . . another politically threatening African-American politician," Nader said. "He wants to appeal to white guilt. You appeal to white guilt not by coming on as black is beautiful, black is powerful. Basically he's coming on as someone who is not going to threaten the white power structure, whether it's corporate or whether it's simply oligarchic. And they love it. Whites just eat it up."
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Of course many WHITES/JEWS, and their wannabe WHITE ACTING/SOUNDING/THINKING Negroes will find great offense at Nader's comments without actually acknowledging or addressing what was actually said.
His comments were right on, with the exception of his comment on WHITE GUILT. WHITES want to give the ILLUSION they are not racists and can elect a person of color as commander-and-chief, but the reality is this is only possible when the candidate packages himself in the mold of the "BLACK SKINNED WHITE ETHIOPIAN" Whites are so fond of saying existed in ancient times.
The truth is, Obama has never addressed black issues, nor has he followed in the tradition of even the man he tries so hard to sound like, Martin Luther King. Obama doesn't deserve the black vote. He has paid no dues except to maintaining the WHITE supremacy infrastructure.
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I think Nader is a fool who simply has no idea what it's like to be a Black politician running for president. Honestly, it makes little sense for Barack to define himself as "the candidate of Race", or the defender of minority interests. He'd look like your typical special interest candidate which goes against his theme of change firstly, and secondly, indeed makes him more threatening. One would be totally foolish to consider that Obama isn't restraining himself in order to win playing by their rules. Blacks who are Anti-Obama often confuse me. I mean, out of the viable choices presented, certainly Obama has the better policy towards economic growth in the Black community, by offering middle class tax cuts, college tuition assistance, health care reform, welfare-to-work programs, among other things.. I'm not exactly sure how a war monger like John Mccain or a Commie like Ralph Nader has the interest of Black people in mind. I have faith that once Obama holds a position of power, he'd no longer have to pander as much to the white establishment and will focus a lot more on empowering the community he has claimed to affiliate himself with.
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quote:I have faith that once Obama holds a position of power, he'd no longer have to pander as much to the white establishment and will focus a lot more on empowering the community he has claimed to affiliate himself with.
And that key word 'faith' has become the bone of contention, which is why this discussion has gone on for so long with each side holding fast to their convictions still. It all boils down to what each side believes. Personally, given the reality of American politics I don’t believe he will make even a dent in the corrupt system. Our solution is up to us, not him. Always has always will be.
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quote:Originally posted by akoben08: And that key word 'faith' has become the bone of contention
And WHY you decide to cherry-pick one word out of my entire statement as if it defines MY point, is beyond me. Obviously the following is not in response to what I said..
quote:, which is why this discussion has gone on for so long with each side holding fast to their convictions still.
Bad interpretation, imo..
quote: It all boils down to what each side believes. Personally, given the reality of American politics I don’t believe he will make even a dent in the corrupt system. Our solution is up to us, not him. Always has always will be.
This is a very blank and generalized statement. It is NOT a solution. A citizenry can only depend on its government, unless they themselves establish some kind of radical movement to break off into a separate nation. Until then, it's all about electing the best candidate, which is Obama. I see little to complain about for those grounded in the present reality.
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quote:Originally posted by akoben08: And that key word 'faith' has become the bone of contention
And WHY you decide to cherry-pick one word out of my entire statement as if it defines MY point, is beyond me. Obviously the following is a not in response to what I said..
quote:, which is why this discussion has gone on for so long with each side holding fast to their convictions still.
Bad interpretation, imo..
quote: It all boils down to what each side believes. Personally, given the reality of American politics I don’t believe he will make even a dent in the corrupt system. Our solution is up to us, not him. Always has always will be.
This is a very blank and generalized statement. It is NOT a solution. A citizenry can only depend on its government, unless they themselves establish some kind of radical movement to break off into a separate nation. Until then, it's all about electing the best candidate, which is Obama. I see little to complain about for those grounded in the present reality.
Yes but my point is that years of civil rights philosophy has led to an irrational dependence on government (which is a socialist mentality) and electing the "best" Democratic Party candidate with little or no transformation. Why you think Obama will be any different? Again it all goes back to faith, unless you are like Seeking who can see into the future to know he will change America.
Look, we have gone through all this before and it will come right back to what you believe in: Obama will face the same forces as other white liberals who also promised to better the lives of black America. Don't get upset with me because I simply using precedent as a basis for my analysis. I am not saying separation is a solution either; but if black America (like Jews) were more organised around self interest, (like we use to be before Garveyism was eclipsed by integration) then the process of change will begin. This cannot happen as the civil rights leadership is in the hands of our traditional enemies. Until we do for self, which is not abstraction but a practical and only viable plan we once had, then we will just be spectators in the American political drama. That's all I am saying.
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quote:Originally posted by akoben08: Yes but my point is that years of civil rights philosophy has led to an irrational dependence on government (which is a socialist mentality) and electing the "best" Democratic Party candidate with little or no transformation. Why you think Obama will be any different? Again it all goes back to faith, unless you are like Seeking who can see into the future to know he will change America.
Dude, this is a Slippery Slope. In other words, since I can't see into the future, I should abandon my own intellect as paranoia and projected negativity has less of a burden than positivity inferred from good policy proposals. WHy you keep emphasizing "faith" in a religious context is confusing and has nothing to do with the context in which I used it. My point being that regardless if YOU think he'd be different or not, for some reason I'd be capable of explaining to you why Obama's a better candidate than the rest for Black America, and why Mccain is not an option. Yet it doesn't seem like you can or are willing to explain the opposite. If you cannot, you are just a product of inaction and a part of the problem.
quote:Look, we have gone through all this before and it will come right back to what you believe in:
Yes, everything is based on some type of "belief", so this comment is redundant. What's important is the reasons why you believe what you do and if they are sound. When you have no reasons, you are just being submissive.
I see no reason why anyone else should be president of the United States, especially in this thread.
quote:Obama will face the same forces as other white liberals who also promised to better the lives of black America.
Obama isn't a white liberal..
quote: Don't get upset with me because I simply using precedent as a basis for my analysis.
One that didn' make much sense, frankly. And I'm not upset with you. That's silly.
quote:I am not saying separation is a solution either; but if black America (like Jews) were more organised around self interest, (like we use to be before Garveyism was eclipsed by integration) then the process of change will begin.
What kind of change? It still sounds like the outdated premise of a separatist ideology based on a in group identity politics. If the problem is White Supremacy, then why not simply combat and destroy it, instead of running away from it like some beat-down slave with no other options. Blacks gaining power does no entail isolating themselves as much as possible.
quote:This cannot happen as the civil rights leadership is in the hands of our traditional enemies. Until we do for self, which is not abstraction but a practical and only viable plan we once had, then we will just be spectators in the American political drama. That's all I am saying.
You need to say more because what you're saying is vague. "Do for self"? What does that mean exactly and how is that accomplished? What can a political movement of the 60s do culturally and economically for the 45 million AAs living in the U.S. in 2008? Precisely WHAT are you proposing that is any different from our established democracy and constitution? Different leadership notwithstanding.
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quote:Yes but my point is that years of civil rights philosophy has led to an irrational dependence on government (which is a socialist mentality) and electing the "best" Democratic Party candidate with little or no transformation. Why you think Obama will be any different? Again it all goes back to faith, unless you are like Seeking who can see into the future to know he will change America.
Yes, but if you buy the government you can always get it to work for you. how do you buy the government? Simple! Just openly bribe the politicians when they run for office. It's legal and is called 'making campaign contributions'
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quote:Originally posted by akoben08: Yes but my point is that years of civil rights philosophy has led to an irrational dependence on government (which is a socialist mentality) and electing the "best" Democratic Party candidate with little or no transformation. Why you think Obama will be any different? Again it all goes back to faith, unless you are like Seeking who can see into the future to know he will change America.
Dude, this is a Slippery Slope. In other words, since I can't see into the future, I should abandon my own intellect as paranoia and projected negativity has less of a burden than positivity inferred from good policy proposals. WHy you keep emphasizing "faith" in a religious context is confusing and has nothing to do with the context in which I used it. My point being that regardless if YOU think he'd be different or not, for some reason I'd be capable of explaining to you why Obama's a better candidate than the rest for Black America, and why Mccain is not an option. Yet it doesn't seem like you can or are willing to explain the opposite. If you cannot, you are just a product of inaction and a part of the problem.
quote:Look, we have gone through all this before and it will come right back to what you believe in:
Yes, everything is based on some type of "belief", so this comment is redundant. What's important is the reasons why you believe what you do and if they are sound. When you have no reasons, you are just being submissive.
I see no reason why anyone else should be president of the United States, especially in this thread.
quote:Obama will face the same forces as other white liberals who also promised to better the lives of black America.
Obama isn't a white liberal..
quote: Don't get upset with me because I simply using precedent as a basis for my analysis.
One that didn' make much sense, frankly. And I'm not upset with you. That's silly.
quote:I am not saying separation is a solution either; but if black America (like Jews) were more organised around self interest, (like we use to be before Garveyism was eclipsed by integration) then the process of change will begin.
What kind of change? It still sounds like the outdated premise of a separatist ideology based on a in group identity politics. If the problem is White Supremacy, then why not simply combat and destroy it, instead of running away from it like some beat-down slave with no other options. Blacks gaining power does no entail isolating themselves as much as possible.
quote:This cannot happen as the civil rights leadership is in the hands of our traditional enemies. Until we do for self, which is not abstraction but a practical and only viable plan we once had, then we will just be spectators in the American political drama. That's all I am saying.
You need to say more because what you're saying is vague. "Do for self"? What does that mean exactly and how is that accomplished? What can a political movement of the 60s do culturally and economically for the 45 million AAs living in the U.S. in 2008? Precisely WHAT are you proposing that is any different from our established democracy and constitution? Different leadership notwithstanding.
Oh boy, here we go again. I already explain why, in my view, he will not change America. Like I said, all this has been discussed before, why don’t you just read my posts and explain point by point why my views are misplaced? Instead you say I have no reasons for my position, then you say they don’t make much sense. This schizoid ranting is as a result of you not reading my posts only reacting emotionally. I am not surprised by your dismissal of Black cultural nationalism as escapist, vague and outdated (btw it's a typical commie view ) and I will not try to convince you otherwise. I will only say that it's ironic you think in-group identity, separatist ideology is somehow "outdated" yet Obama has to bow down to those who practice it the most, Jews! Plus the two rising third world powers India and China are traditionally known for their in-group mentality even bringing it to America. This has contributed significantly to their success as immigrants to the point where they don't push for an Asian presidential candidate because they know whoever is in power will have to deal with them! We have it the other way around: politics before economics, and this is why I say our situation will not change fundamentally.
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This must be the first year of voting for some here. To ASSUME Obama is the best choice is just that, an unfounded assumption and based on no concrete evidence, only on HOPE, FAITH, and invalid conclusion. Example: Does Obama have a background in Economics? NO. Does Obama have military experience? NO. Does Obama have a history of supporting Black causes? NO. Therefore, from a historic evaluation, Obama is NOT the best candidate for blacks. Someone said earlier Obama would be good for blacks because he'll offer a tax break for the middleclass. Didn't Bush just do the same? The fact is, the only positive for blacks is the chance a man who looks black MAY be elected to the office for the first time in the country's history. Remembering Clarence Thomas and Condellezza Rice both whose histories are very close to Obama's, I see no real need to get excited about Obama's election. Personally, I'd have a greater comfort in someone real like Collin Powell having the honor. Inspite of his being a republican.
The probable downside of Obama will very likely be, it will be the worst administration since Reagan, making the nation's first black looking President look incompetent and black progress will continue to slide backward as well, as it has under both Bush terms.
Bottom line: If you believe that integration at all costs is the best path for black progress in America, you'll convince yourself by FAITH that Obama is the best option to achieve this goal. If on the other hand, you understand that the US government and people will NEVER accept true black progress, then you'll likely see Obama for what he truly is, a tanned Trojan horse.
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quote:Originally posted by meninarmer: This must be the first year of voting for some here. To ASSUME Obama is the best choice is just that, an unfounded assumption and based on no concrete evidence, only on HOPE, FAITH, and invalid conclusion.
If you say so. Though proving a negative is never a trap I've allowed myself to jump into. Basically this is a circular argument.
quote:Example: Does Obama have a background in Economics? NO.
Does Mccain? Also, is this relevant. The better question is, who surrounds themselves around experience, who has better judgment and leadership qualities. Talk about first time voters, who complains about the establishment, yet emphasizes a need for someone who has the most experience in the same theme of government that you supposedly reject. presidents are not economists, they hire economic advisers and display good judgment while not compromising the needs of the American people when heeding advice.
quote:Does Obama have military experience? NO.
So? This is America, not Burma. We don't need any military dictators and military experience is not a pre-requisite for president. In fact, more often than not, recent history suggests that those with military experience often lose in a time of economic distress as they often look at things through a military (non-domestic) prism. Kerry losing to Bush being the mot recent example.
quote:Does Obama have a history of supporting Black causes? NO.
Yes.. Do some research. He started his public service in inner city Chicago as a community organizer, providing health care and education reform, later to become a civil rights attorney, defending inner city Blacks and others who were wrongly prosecuted. He then became a legislator where he fought for the same causes, then Senator.
quote: Therefore, from a historic evaluation, Obama is NOT the best candidate for blacks.
Actually he is and if he isn't, I'd be happy to listen to who is and how THEY are better. Surely you're not talking about Mccain, Nader, or Barr, so it must be some other obscure candidate with absolutely NO chance of winning even 5% of the vote.
quote:Someone said earlier Obama would be good for blacks because he'll offer a tax break for the middleclass.
I said that.
quote: Didn't Bush just do the same?
No. He offered a tax break to the top 5% incomes who don't need it, which takes away from tax-based programs that benefit minorities. Obama has vowed to end the Bush tax cuts, give even lower tax cuts to the middle class and raise taxes on the highest earners. Please do some more research! Your criticism is ridiculous.
quote:The fact is, the only positive for blacks is the chance a man who looks black MAY be elected to the office for the first time in the country's history.
Rhetoric, rhetoric, rhetoric. Where's the beef? You're just casting a blanket with no analytical depth. It's just a claim made by you here that no one has to take seriously. PROVE that there's a better candidate. Please do. Give us a position, not a rant about why you hate Black politicians.
quote:Remembering Clarence Thomas and Condellezza Rice both whose histories are very close to Obama's
Their history is nothing like Obama's, neither are their records in Washington. Stop embarrassing yourself.
quote:, I see no real need to get excited about Obama's election.
I do and so do millions of others who voted for him.
quote: Personally, I'd have a greater comfort in someone real like Collin Powell having the honor.
Wow.. That explains everything then.
quote: Inspite of his being a republican.
That has little to do with it, as it has more to do with his deceiving the American people in order to start and perpetuate a war that has cost us 600 Billion dollars and more lives than 9/11, yet hasn't made us safe. Speaking of military experience, he received command under a draft dodger and initiated the biggest military blunder in American history. You are so ass-backwards on the issues. If you call that "real", then you are "really" out of touch.
quote:The probable downside of Obama will very likely be, it will be the worst administration since Reagan, making the nation's first black looking President look incompetent and black progress will continue to slide backward as well, as it has under both Bush terms.
This is the fear of many self-hating Blacks who have no confidence in their own or their self for that matter. It is baseless.
quote:Bottom line: If you believe that integration at all costs is the best path for black progress in America, you'll convince yourself by FAITH that Obama is the best option to achieve this goal.
Here we go with the cherry-picking of words again, which only leads to dumb straw man comments like this. You confuse "FAITH" WITH BLIND "faith", as opposed to logic-based faith. I have faith that he'd be a good president based on his policies, perceived character, and history as a public servant. I don't believe or have faith in a flying spaghetti monster simply because I can have faith. Don't be so simple in your approach. As far as integration, I'm not sure what it is you're proposing that is in opposition to it. "Integration" is a useless label that has no meaning without the word "segregation". I always thought it natural for intelligent, civilized human beings to coexist. A minority power struggle again, does not entail isolation by default, it's more about changing the structure that oppresses them, instead of running like a coward to create your own little island nation from scratch.
quote:If on the other hand, you understand that the US government and people will NEVER accept true black progress, then you'll likely see Obama for what he truly is, a tanned Trojan horse.
You sound more paranoid and self-defeating than anything else. Me.. Well, I choose to have more FAITH (yea, I said it) in my country, BASED on its progress. I mean, I don't know how old you are, but this isn't the 60s anymore.
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quote:Originally posted by akoben08: Oh boy, here we go again. I already explain why, in my view, he will not change America.
This is redundant. No one person can change anything without cooperation and YOU (among others) are not willing to cooperate.
quote:Like I said, all this has been discussed before, why don’t you just read my posts and explain point by point why my views are misplaced?
Not my job. You responded to me and I've responded to your address to ME. I have no interest in your previous exchanges. If you have an issue with any of the opinions I've put fourth, then you're free to give yours, but being vague when responding to ME, only reinstates why you have no argument in my eyes.
quote:Instead you say I have no reasons for my position, then you say they don’t make much sense.
They don't and you've mainly generalized your position. You've offered no details, no alternatives, no reasons for your contempt for the first viable Black candidate in history. Just generalized comments about how Black people will never ever progress unless we racialize society and isolate ourselves from the masses.
quote: This schizoid ranting is as a result of you not reading my posts only reacting emotionally.
Not really. I really think it's just a point of you not making sense, and as stated, I'm not being "emotional". I'm just confounded by your level of outdated radicalism and Black-centric psycho agenda.
quote: I am not surprised by your dismissal of Black cultural nationalism as escapist, vague and outdated (btw it's a typical commie view )
If you say so. You claim to represent Black nationalism and expect that simply by bringing it up, that I''m supposed to understand your bogus points of contention and how they apply to Blacks in 2008. I have no idea how that makes me a "commie", but it seems typical of Black-centric cult followers who are stagnated in ideological quicksand.
quote:and I will not try to convince you otherwise.
You don't seem too good at "convincing" anyways.
quote:I will only say that it's ironic you think in-group identity, separatist ideology is somehow "outdated" yet Obama has to bow down to those who practice it the most, Jews!
I see no evidence for such.. I have no idea what your Jew bashing has to do with anything. You're starting to seem more and more like a conspiracy nut. Excuse me if my ideas are more grounded.
quote: Plus the two rising third world powers India and China are traditionally known for their in-group mentality even bringing it to America.
America is a better country than those two for obvious reasons. They are not a model to live by. Plus, I thought you didn't like Commies? Only when it's convenient I guess.
quote: This has contributed significantly to their success as immigrants to the point where they don't push for an Asian presidential candidate because they know whoever is in power will have to deal with them!
African immigrants attain the highest level of educational success and also rate high financially. The reason immigrants prosper here has little to do with in group identity politics and more to do wth cultural practices relative to ours (study habits, emphasis on education, etc)..
quote: We have it the other way around: politics before economics, and this is why I say our situation will not change fundamentally.
I don't see this reflected in Obama's economic policy, but whatever you say. You seem confused. Are you an American, or?
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^ Yes, it's well established that ALL you have is FAITH and nothing else. Obama's legal assistance endeavors are not unlike many 10s of thousands of lawyers whose firms donate their spare time to the needy. That is no testament to supporting relevant black causes. It only shows you confuse very easily and have no experience in black causes or legal charities yourself.
Speaking of research, please check the local US news. Rebate checks are shipping as we speak. If you fail to realize it or not, This IS considered a tax break for the middle class. Of course you'd need to be one of the working population to receive one and perhaps the reason you don't understand this. Anyway, as I correctly stated, Bush has already done this so your sole Pro-Obama example is meaningless.
Enough of the BLIND FAITH wishful thinking rhetoric poorly offered as informed logic. Just prove your assumptions by clearly stating what Obama has presented as programs and actions he will implement IF elected. If these existed, so many black men wouldn't be of this very valid opinion. I don't expect any valid response from you. Just more meaningless, mealy-mouthed gibberish. Please don't waste anyone else's time with additional typing which cannot help but contain zero substance, and plenty of BLIND FAITH ASSUMPTIONS. If we wanted this, I'd go to any black church.
I realize this is NOT the 60s, where matras of, "I'm Black And I'm Proud", have been replaced today with the less potent and watered down, "I'm Bi-Racial and NOT TOO Proud", and the 60s "Power To The People" has been replaced with, "Power To Commercialism and We Gonna Get Paid".
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1) I am amazed that an Africanist can't appreciate in-group identity practices (which is related to "culture" anyway...duh!) and its relationship to group prosperity.
2) Where is the evidence that African immigrants out perform Asians educationally and financially? Show me their model community and how it is replicated back home as with Asians.
3) Instead of hiding behind the typical "Jew bashing" line I thought you would've proven me wrong re their historical in-group mentality/culture and how it is unrelated to their economic success and them having enormous influence over American politics today.
3) China is no longer "communist", their system is more appropriately referred to as state capitalism. You sound as stupid as Lou Dobbs with his "communist China" rants. LOL
4) What is "his" economic policy and how is it different from other the progressives who were in that office?
Look, I really don't see the reason for all this long drawn out discussion over opinions based on proposals, promises, and faith. You talk of straw men yet you take swipes at invisible separatists proposing black island nation building from scratch! LOL Come on Sundiata behind all of your "logic-based faith" and your belief in the promise of America, is the fact of the giant that is the American political structure, bigger than Obamamania, and will survive and outlive it after eight years.
Lashing out at those who disagree with your candidate for change as self-haters and defeatists only shows how unsure you really are about your own faith (your words). Bear in mind, there is inconvenient fact of "better candidates" in past elections and our situation didn't change. Unless you are going to blame blacks for this, you must admit that doing the same thing over and over, expecting different results, is a sign of madness. Where is the point by point analysis explaining why he will be any different from white progressives promising the same to blacks in the past? Only name calling and smug dismissals. Very telling. Your problem is you think "new" means better, which is why the civil rights movement last hope now is Obama. In my view it is a reflection of a celebrity driven culture:
quote:Originally posted by meninarmer: Yes, it's well established that ALL you have is FAITH and nothing else.
That must mean that you have nothing at all since you find it necessary to misconscrew my words, which means you are incapable of making any sense whatsoever on the merits, leaving you an ample opportunity to be as completely illogical as you want. I've already explained my logic, which is sound and based on actual precedence.
quote:Obama's legal assistance endeavors are not unlike many 10s of thousands of lawyers whose firms donate their spare time to the needy. That is no testament to supporting relevant black causes. It only shows you confuse very easily and have no experience in black causes or legal charities yourself.
Conveniently leave out my FIRST point about his life as a community organizer (that lead him in the direction of civil rights attorney) while accusing the opponent of naivetee. LOL. What a see through gimmick you make yourself out to be. You can't bluff me. You know nothing about the man's biography, period. His organizing lead him into this direction, even after being president of the Harvard law review. With his credentials, he could have simply abandoned public service in order to work for the head of some corporate giant. He chose a different path, which isn't conventional. DO YOUR RESEARCH!
quote:Speaking of research, please check the local US news. Rebate checks are shipping as we speak.
aND?
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If you fail to realize it or not, This IS considered a tax break for the middle class. Of course you'd need to be one of the working population to receive one and perhaps the reason you don't understand this. Anyway, as I correctly stated, Bush has already done this so your sole Pro-Obama example is meaningless.
lol!!! oMG, PLEASE, stop it. Technically, the stimulus package is a rebate similar to a second income tax return that was offered as a response to the current recession that Bush got us in in the first place. You obviously don't take heed though. The Bush tax cuts offer SOME middle class relief but gives breaks to the top 5% of income earners, who don't need it! This takes away from government funds and programs that benefits minorities. Obama vows to send out ANOTHER stimulus package and end the Bush tax cuts, lowering even more, the taxes of middle class workers, but raising taxes on the top 5%. Why was this hard to comprehend the first time I explained it? Stop grasping at straws.
quote:Enough of the BLIND FAITH wishful thinking rhetoric poorly offered as informed logic. Just prove your assumptions by clearly stating what Obama has presented as programs and actions he will implement IF elected.
I already have and using my own words against me is pathetic and shows merely that you're being outclassed on substance. I disassociated myself from such a Blind Faith label unlike you, and gave reasons and a few specific policies as well as history to explain why I believe in him. Completely ignoring what I said and demanding me to repeat myself as if I never explained, is not an argument. You've already shown us that you're out of touch with the political process by some of your inaccurate claims.
Though a fews things I'm for:
* Middle Class tax breaks, increase in high income taxes.
* Health care mandate for children (especially the unfortunate) and subsidizing of cost. No exclusions based on pre-conditions.
* End to racial profiling:
"Obama will ban racial profiling by federal law enforcement agencies and provide federal incentives to state and local police departments to prohibit the practice."
* He plans to provide training and mental health assistance to former offenders and get them back in the work force.
* He plans to put an end to Black-White disparities in felony sentencing by eliminating the disparity between long Crack-Cocaine and Powdered-Cocaine sentences.
* Plans on recruiting better teachers for inner cities, higher pay for them, better incentives and smaller classrooms in the inner city. He also plans to pay for college tuition of any student who in turn serves the government, by way of community service, peace corpse, etc.. Double investment.
* He offers a $1,000 tax cut to cover rising gas while he promises an investigation into speculation in the Market, while putting more emphasis into research and renewable forms of energy that will create thousands of jobs and cut energy costs.
^These are ONLY a few and all of this benefits Blacks and none of it has been supported by the opposition.
Do your research!
quote:If these existed, so many black men wouldn't be of this very valid opinion.
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quote:Originally posted by akoben08: 1) I am amazed that an Africanist can't appreciate in-group identity practices (which is related to "culture" anyway...duh!) and its relationship to group prosperity.
I'm surprised at your trying to pass of social propaganda as some sort of modern progressive tool for the advancement of Black people. I'm also surprised that you've yet to define what "group" you're referring to and why it is dependent on your bunk concept of race. I have no innate pre-dispositions simply because I'm black and care about Black people. That's called "being brainwahed".
quote:2) Where is the evidence that African immigrants out perform Asians educationally and financially? Show me their model community and how it is replicated back home as with Asians.
**sigh**
Quote: Black immigrants, the invisible model minority
" DO African immigrants make the smartest Americans? If you were judging by statistics alone, you could find plenty of evidence to back it up.
In a side-by-side comparison of 2000 census data by sociologist John Logan at the Mumford Center, State University of New York at Albany, black immigrants from Africa average the highest educational attainment of any population group in the country, including whites and Asians.
For example, 43.8 percent of African immigrants had achieved a college degree, compared to 42.5 of Asian Americans, 28.9 percent for immigrants from Europe, Russia and Canada, and 23.1 percent of the U.S. population." http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4176/is_20070318/ai_n18741604
quote:3) Instead of hiding behind the typical "Jew bashing" line I thought you would've proven me wrong re their historical in-group mentality/culture and how it is unrelated to their economic success and them having enormous influence over American politics today.
I have no burden of proof, since YOU are the one making the claim, sir. This is a formal rule of logic.
the term burden of proof refers to the extent to which, or the level of rigour with which, it is necessary to establish, demonstrate or prove something for it to be accepted as true or reasonable to believe.
You'd have to elaborate and I'll assess your position and tell you whether or not I agree. Let me in on why it is you blame Jews for all of your problems.
quote:3) China is no longer "communist", their system is more appropriately referred to as state capitalism. You sound as stupid as Lou Dobbs with his "communist China" rants. LOL
I see that you watch too much CNN. Please explain to me how the communist party of China is officially defunct to the point that it's now legitimately considered a true "capitalist" state, regardless of their socialized way of governing still in nearly every sector of living, including population control, and socialized health care, etc. They don't run on a completely free market like we do. Stop distorting facts while trying to confuse potential newbies.
quote:4) What is "his" economic policy and how is it different from other the progressives who were in that office?
I've outlined some of his policy and it's different due to the fact that he'd be subject to less lobbyist influence from special interests, which he's starting now by opting out of public financing and funding his campaign on the backs of the American people. He works for us.
quote:Look, I really don't see the reason for all this long drawn out discussion over opinions based on proposals, promises, and faith. You talk of straw men yet you take swipes at invisible separatists proposing black island nation building from scratch! LOL Come on Sundiata behind all of your "logic-based faith" and your belief in the promise of America, is the fact of the giant that is the American political structure, bigger than Obamamania, and will survive and outlive it after eight years.
The point being that you leave only a bad taste in the mouths of those who want real change. You propose nothing but criticize everything. Such a way of thinking I reject as it is nothing more than a call to inaction. I like America just fine and it has nothing to do with being romantic. All Blacks aren't bitter, sorry.
quote:Lashing out at those who disagree with your candidate for change as self-haters and defeatists only shows how unsure you really are about your own faith (your words).
Not really. If the said individuals never gave that vibe, I wouldn't make that observation. Those comments were in response to other specific comments, not your position. Just what you say to defend it, some of which strikes me as curious.
quote: Bear in mind, there is inconvenient fact of "better candidates" in past elections and our situation didn't change. Unless you are going to blame blacks for this, you must admit that doing the same thing over and over, expecting different results, is a sign of madness.
Stop being so general, you only drag out the conversation. Where does Obama the individual fit into this and again, who is a better candidate and why? Can you debate on the issues or is everything ideology, conspiracy and pessimism for you?
quote: Where is the point by point analysis explaining why he will be any different from white progressives promising the same to blacks in the past? Only name calling and smug dismissals. Very telling.
Actually, you are being rash since I've already provided that in my response to meninarmer above. Though it is convenient I assume that I have a bigger burden than you to support my position when you've only offered points of arbitrary rejection. Also, I never called you out of your name. Stop whining. Your ideas and whining is an embarrassment to American Blacks, assuming that you're even an American.
quote: Your problem is you think "new" means better,
The problem is that you keep telling me what I mean rather than address what I'm saying.
quote: which is why the civil rights movement last hope now is Obama. In my view it is a reflection of a celebrity driven culture:
Not reality:
I guess. I'll ask you once more. Who is a better candidate and for what reasons?
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quote:Obama's legal assistance endeavors are not unlike many 10s of thousands of lawyers whose firms donate their spare time to the needy. That is no testament to supporting relevant black causes. It only shows you confuse very easily and have no experience in black causes or legal charities yourself.
Conveniently leave out my FIRST point about his life as a community organizer (that lead him in the direction of civil rights attorney) while accusing the opponent of naivetee. LOL. What a see through gimmick you make yourself out to be. You can't bluff me. You know nothing about the man's biography, period. His organizing lead him into this direction, even after being president of the Harvard law review. With his credentials, he could have simply abandoned public service in order to work for the head of some corporate giant. He chose a different path, which isn't conventional. DO YOUR RESEARCH!
quote:Speaking of research, please check the local US news. Rebate checks are shipping as we speak.
aND?
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If you fail to realize it or not, This IS considered a tax break for the middle class. Of course you'd need to be one of the working population to receive one and perhaps the reason you don't understand this. Anyway, as I correctly stated, Bush has already done this so your sole Pro-Obama example is meaningless.
lol!!! oMG, PLEASE, stop it. Technically, the stimulus package is a rebate similar to a second income tax return that was offered as a response to the current recession that Bush got us in in the first place. You obviously don't take heed though. The Bush tax cuts offer SOME middle class relief but gives breaks to the top 5% of income earners, who don't need it! This takes away from government funds and programs that benefits minorities. Obama vows to send out ANOTHER stimulus package and end the Bush tax cuts, lowering even more, the taxes of middle class workers, but raising taxes on the top 5%. Why was this hard to comprehend the first time I explained it? Stop grasping at straws.
quote:Enough of the BLIND FAITH wishful thinking rhetoric poorly offered as informed logic. Just prove your assumptions by clearly stating what Obama has presented as programs and actions he will implement IF elected.
I already have and using my own words against me is pathetic and shows merely that you're being outclassed on substance. I disassociated myself from such a Blind Faith label unlike you, and gave reasons and a few specific policies as well as history to explain why I believe in him. Completely ignoring what I said and demanding me to repeat myself as if I never explained, is not an argument. You've already shown us that you're out of touch with the political process by some of your inaccurate claims.
Though a fews things I'm for:
* Middle Class tax breaks, increase in high income taxes.
* Health care mandate for children (especially the unfortunate) and subsidizing of cost. No exclusions based on pre-conditions.
* End to racial profiling:
"Obama will ban racial profiling by federal law enforcement agencies and provide federal incentives to state and local police departments to prohibit the practice."
* He plans to provide training and mental health assistance to to former offenders and get them back in the work force.
* He plans to put an end to Black-White disparities in felony sentencing by eliminating the disparity between long Crack-Cocaine and Powdered-Cocaine sentences.
* Plans on recruiting better teachers for inner cities, higher pay for them, better incentives and smaller classrooms in the inner city. He also plans to pay for college tuition of any student who in turn serves the government, by way of community service, peace corpse, etc.. Double investment.
* He offers a $1,000 tax cut to cover rising gas while he promises an investigation into speculation in the Market, while putting more emphasis into research and renewable forms of energy that will create thousands of jobs and cut energy costs.
^These are ONLY a few and all of this benefits Blacks and none of it has been supported by the opposition.
Do your research!
quote:If these existed, so many black men wouldn't be of this very valid opinion.
Last I checked, Obama got 90% of the Black vote in the primaries. [/QB]
Not that I don't trust you, but please provide validating links for all Obama speeches addressing each commitment.
Contrary to your false statement, the Bush rebates ARE an official Tax Cut meant to stimulate the weak economy;
"My tax cut plan is not just about productivity, it is about people. Economics is more than narrow interests or organized envy. A tax plan must apply market principles to the public interest. And my plan sets out to make life better for average men, women and children." — President George W. Bush
Obama has already stated he is PRO-NAFTA, and PRO-Off-shore outsourcing, two of the most devastating programs against the US middle class. First he stated he was against Out-sourcing, then he turned around and was Pro-outsourcing. Which is it? Is he going to create new jobs to replace those out-sourced in his 4 year term? Not likely. You'd be better off betting against the house in Vegas, the odds are better.
First in front of union workers Obama states; Barack Obama on Monday made an aggressive pitch at Ohio’s blue-collar workers by proposing a “Patriot Employers” plan that would lower corporate taxes for companies that did not ship jobs overseas.
…Mr Obama’s plan would lower the corporate tax rate for companies that met criteria including maintaining their headquarters in the US, maintaining or increasing their US workforce relative to their overseas workforce, holding a neutral position in union drives among their employees and providing decent healthcare.
On Outsourcing, another India specific issue and which became the hot potato in the last Presidential election, he may go soft. “We cannot reverse the process of globalisation,” said Obama in a meeting.
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^^Conversation over due to ridiculously moving the goal post. Like I said, just do your research.
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^ The conversation is over because you cannot point to specific speeches where Obama promised these things and in most of the above, Obama's plan is hardly different then those of his opponents. While some specifically address WHite/Jewish requests, NONE address specific black concerns. The drug sentencing disparity is already being addressed in teh courts. Therefore, this is not one of Obama's issues.
In Obama's famous and often repeated mantra; "Do we participate in a politics of cynicism," he asked, "or do we participate in a politics of HOPE ?" That describes Obamites in a nutshell, HOPE.
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Right on schedule! Give thanks breddren, I was looking for that particular study for so long! But unfortunately for you Sundiata, in your enthusiasm to "prove" me "wrong" and knack for posting studies off the net, you now completely undermined your own argument! Did those African immigrants need Obama to achieve as a group, what AA couldn't? Did they need promises, proposals and faith in Obama do succeed at education? NO THEY DID FOR SELF. The obvious difference is that African immigrants arent from the same cultural/historical/psychological circumstances (although the Hip hop urban culture is slowly creeping in) as AA, as immigrants in a foreign land they would have an in-group culture as all immigrants do. However, to avoid admitting the importance of in-group cultural outlook you present a false dichotomy between in-group identity and cultural practices and its relationship to success. But this is desperation as even the designation "African immigrant" connotes an in-group category.
Never said Jews are to blame for all our problems, another straw by the substance based world class poster of ES (outclassed on substance)! LOL My conclusions re Jews and in-group culture are based on reading (McDonald, Martin, Cruse, et al.) no need to "prove" anything to you, if you think they are all bunk then explain.
Having a strong state and a socialised way of governing doesn't make you a "commie" Sundiata, come one where is that substantive analysis? China today is not manifestly different than the authoritarian regimes of the Asian Tigers, in fact it's the typical Asian model and thus it has been described by analysts as "state capitalism". You and Lou Dobbs are simpletons in this reguard.
And please, Obama has already subjected himself to lobbyist influence hence his shameless grovelling before AIPAC!!! And if you think he could have gotton this far, and hope to go further, without big business then you are really a newbie voter!
In typical civil rights fashion, you say you "like America just fine", yet you want Obama in office to change the mess you outlined re black America? You're like Dubois, torn between what America promises and what she really is!
Who is "better" based on promises was never the bone of contention, only another one of your straws Sundiata. Obama's foreign policy re ME is no different from war mongering McCain, something you fail to comment on!
Good observations Meninarmer re NAFTA etc... it was a conversation stopper. LOL
"And if all others accepted the lie which the Party imposed--if all records told the same tale--then the lie passed into history and became truth. 'Who controls the past,' ran the Party slogan, 'controls the future: who controls the present controls the past.' And yet the past, though of its nature alterable, never had been altered. Whatever was true now was true from everlasting to everlasting. It was quite simple. All that was needed was an unending series of victories over your own memory. 'Reality control', they called it: in Newspeak, 'doublethink'." (Source: 1984, George Orwell)
quote:^^Conversation over due to ridiculously moving the goal post. Like I said, just do your research.
^ Honestly what more could you expect from those two?
Atleast marc washington/clyde winters actually provide sources for their claims. To date they have not provided a *single* source for any of their claims. Zero.
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lol , meninarmer, it's "not a good look" at all being associated with that Homo Thug.
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I can't be goaded into doing your homework for you. Also with your opinion of Jews your mind is already made up. But most important of all, this is the last time I waste my time trying to discuss anything with you.
quote:Originally posted by akoben08: I never questioned the fact of the Act itself, simply asked what in your view did they gain that was significant that they didnt have before (e.g. decent housing, education, wealth creation opportunities etc) and you fail to answer because you know it's misleading, not incorrect, to simply say Jews got their civil rights in the 60s. You even intimated that they didn't gain anything significant: Civil rights is not freedom and all people didn't need them.
Telling me about the result of the failure of black self-determination in the black community is not addressing the fact that in the 60s the different ideological movements were intertwined. Again, the fact of a difference between black nationalism and civil rights (integration) was not question, I m simply saying in that era the lines were blurred. That's all. I would've expected a veteran poster to stick to what I actually say, not build straws.
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quote:Originally posted by alTakruri: [QB] I can't be goaded into doing your homework for you. Also with your opinion of Jews your mind is already made up. But most important of all, this is the last time I waste my time trying to discuss anything with you.
So now the "sage" of ES is too proud to admit he was wrong on this one. Of course this is your last time al, your straws and evasions can't work with me . You know damn well Jews gained nothing significant they didn't have before and your post about their "civil rights" was downright misleading. It's the usual tactic of those who advance the Jews-are-our-allies argument. Your problem is you didnt expect to run up against a brick wall this time.
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What kind of idiot reads a post revealing Jews used Blacks as shield in order to attain their own civil rights without being seen doing so and drawing further ire from the WASPS, and concludes the post is saying Jews are Blacks best friends? A myopic thick as a brick in the wall idiot of course.
This guy and his pals remind me of that Roman senator who ended every address to the forum with Carthage must be destroyed. Just substitute the gawdamn Jews in place of Carthage.
There's a gawdamn Joo behind every thing wrong in the world. High gas prices -- gawdang Joose. Obama fer prezuhdent --- goldang Jewz. Hangnail on baby toe -- who else responsible but them goshdarn Jewses?!?!?!?
But tell them something about the Jews their cracker instructors in anti-Jew 101 didn't lay on them and they can't get to it. Only when Simon Says do they move forward.
Read the Blacks and Jews issue of the Black Books Bulletin or Harold Cruse or Clayborne Carson or Tony Martin, even Al Sharpton. Go on now, don't be scarred, do your own homework. I just threw in some more source potential to help in the assignment for you. That's all a brick wall gets for free until it gives up something anything worthwhile in exchange.
And if it fails to ... I know, I know. It's all the fault of them gaddamn Jews!
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^ Oh damn, I just saw this. LOL But still screaming at the wind I see, and still making up straws. I asked you what in your view that was so significant that Jews gained that they didn't have before, in response to this:
quote: "Jews obtained their civil rights with the civil rights act of 1964 (which included other peoples of Europe denied full USA white privilege until then)."
Never question the passing of the Act itself or difference between black nationalism and civil rights. You can throw in as many diversions as you want, roman senators, Carthage, Professor Martin et al. But you still have not answered my question oh great sage of ES. The sad thing about all your evasions is that all I want is your opinions, and still you fear me - because you know "Jews gained nothing significant they didn't have before and your post about their "civil rights" was downright misleading."Posts: 4165 | From: jamaica | Registered: May 2008
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^Somethin tells me dat Al is getting a FAT check from some Joo or maybe gettin paid in barrels of Alum and young boyz wit tight holes dat don't bleed. Da dummy don't know dat high gas prices are due to two primary reasons; (1) The devaluation of the US dollar (Joo'ish run FED), and (2) Wall Street speculation (adds ~$50/barrel) which of course don't have any Jews on Wall Street. (riiiight!) These two items alone add a buck fiddy to a buck 90 to the price of gas per gallon. Now da fool don't want us ta think the NEO-CONS had anything to do with the US war in Iraq or tryin to go to war with Iran. How can someone so smart be so dumb? Perhaps dat Alum has soaked upwards to him brain.
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Yes, yes, yes. After all that whining, you still can't refute what I presented about the price of gas which makes your previous statement about gas prices look silly and foolish.
Unlike you, I don't receive no checks from ANY WHITES or JEWS. Therefore being unbeholden to anyone, I am free to comment what I see.
Before you get too far gone, when I use the term Jew, I'm speaking of the one in this vid without the hat. The ones in the hats are perfectly cool and agree with me 100%. You, of course owe your pay to the hatless one which is why your panties are bunched up in your wide hole.
Yes, we are here to expose the ill contradiction which is YOU, oh wise (snick) sage.
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It's perfectly cool that the ones in the hat refer to you as an soulless apelike beast? Now I have no doubt as to who and what you are.
You get paid in the semen you regularly drink from the nasty gnostic crackers who sent you here to disrupt a once credible Africana forum turning it into your projectionary homo fantasy.
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Most the anti-zionist orthodox Jews I know here in the US are cool. They are very much like the Quakers, another cool group. A minority and very much into attempting to meet the tenants of their religion. At least that my experience with the many I've encountered. Your experience may be different, but if they called you an ape, personally, I'd think differently.
LOL, I can always tell when you lie. Your lips move.
I'm still awaiting your evidence that the Gnostics were comprised of homosexuals. You made the comment but as usual ran away without backing it up.
In the previous thread on Islamic homosexuality, I introduced evidence that it was not exclusively confined to the Islamic religion.
You on the other hand, attempted to divert the conversation to young boys with tight holes and the use of alum to simulate the same feeling in elephantine women. Yeah, you add tremendous credibility to any thread, as long as it's OK to project.
You may be OK as a translator, but for creative/analytic thinking, we'd better offload that task elsewhere.
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I posed an answer to the threads question and commented on the Simmons divorce. All the rest is from your semen soaked nasty gnostic mind. Stop eating your cracker masters sperm boy.
Yazid comment but no cracks against him. King even posted a praise poem for pederasty but no barbs at him. I, a black man give a summary from the only academic source I have on the subject header and you go mad dog rabid.
We easily see you hate fear and envy superior black men. This is why you eat your nasty gnostic cracker friends semen and lash out against those who supposedly you should be alligning with to advance black causes.
No not hard at all to see who sent you here and why. And what a great demagoguery job you're doing. You've succeeded in swaying Horus to see me through your eyes.
I have a history of outstanding analytical contributions made here over the last 3 - 4 years that show and prove my calibre of dedication to Africana studies and the advancement of African peoples at home and abroad.
You, you have a track record of no hits except besmirching your fellow black man.
With that I apologize to the readership who expected more out of me than to lower myself to the level of my detractors by engaging in similar verbage. I will try to figure a way to address the topic and issues without responding to their sophmoric disruptive roorag.
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Ah yes, in the absence of your ability to address my question you pull the "demagogic" card. LOL Just like your low life negro Jew apologist Henri L. Gates Jr. taught you, hey maybe you are skip Gates...no wait, you're APPIAH...that's it you're Appiah, it all makes sense now! LMAO! Oh my, you are so typical of the smug negro al.
quote:I have a history of outstanding analytical contributions made here over the last 3 - 4 years that show and prove my calibre of dedication to Africana studies and the advancement of African peoples at home and abroad.
Its obvious that you have a complex my friend, why do you feel the need to validate your credentials and sexual orientation? Why cant you deal with the issues at hand now, instead of projecting this pretentious smug attitude obviously a defence mechanism? Because al you never had an argument from the beginning and it damaged your negro elitist ego I know this. So stop the moralist pretending, you're fooling no one.
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All that and still no backup on your Gnostic statement. Why? Because both you and I know it was a generalized statement and not applicable to many of the various Gnostic sects.
Now you get the ass and add semen spouting to your tight hole talk. LMBAO!
I'm not the one who choose to focus on a narrow paragraph about "tight ends" and Alum as response to the thread's question. That was your "personal" injection. Don't blame me for reading between the very obvious lines.
As for Horus, I'm have to disagree with you once again. I realize you pedophiles attempt to establish a bond with prey before dropping the bomb, but don't think I'm getting in between you and your mission. I'm just dropping what little knowledge I have and hope it may prove to useful to maybe 1:100 readers. My goal is definitely not to compete for the Ole Holy Sage title or interfere with you and possible prey.
Anyway, we're still waiting for you to back up your previous statements. They appear to be stacking up.
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quote:As for Horus, I'm have to disagree with you once again. I realize you pedophiles attempt to establish a bond with prey before dropping the bomb, but don't think I'm getting in between you and your mission.
^ HAHAHAHAAA Horus is red "meat" for great sage! HAHAHA
quote:Originally posted by meninarmer: As for Horus, I'm have to disagree with you once again. I realize you pedophiles attempt to establish a bond with prey before dropping the bomb, but don't think I'm getting in between you and your mission.
So now I'm a pedophile because I pointed out that your aggression towards alTakruri is uncalled for? Did I ever insult you? I suppose these are your true colours.
It doesn't matter what I say anyway, for some reason alTakruri seems to think I have joined you in hating on him. It remains a mystery to me where he got that idea from.
I'll leave you two to resolve your differences. I can see my involvement has only made things worse.
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Watch the video titled "Locked Out, Again!", scroll down about 3/4 lenght down the page. Speech by Haki R. Madhubuti.
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The hunter J-Horus becomes the prey of great sage.
You clearly have bigger things to worry about. Me being a "lapdog" aint one of them! LOL
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^ clearly projecting you proven liar. check out the zimbabwe thread for the real troll in here.
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Akoben, you being a Jamaican, or claiming to be a Jamaican, I thought you might be interested in this.
quote: Obama's promise of debt relief a $29b opportunity for Jamaica published: Friday | June 27, 2008
Democratic presidential candidate, Senator Barack Obama.
Democratic presidential candidate, Senator Barack Obama, is promising 100 per cent debt relief for the Caribbean if he becomes the next leader of the United States.
That would translate for Jamaica into a $29 billion write-off in central government debt to the US, a small portion of the near $500 billion of foreign debt the island is carrying, Jamaica's finance ministry figures show.
Policy to be pursued
While Obama himself did not reveal that plan for the region, his foreign policy adviser, Dan Restrepo, told the Government and tourism officials attending the Caribbean Tourism Organisation conference here that this is one of the policies to be pursued by Obama if elected to office.
"As you all well know, the poorest countries in the world, including some in the Caribbean, suffer under the weight of enormous external debt. Barack Obama wants to see a 100 per cent debt cancellation for the world's heavily indebted poor countries, including all such countries in the Caribbean," he said.
Jamaica's debt
The USAID is a a major conduit of US financing to overseas countries and groups.
Jamaica's breakout of its US debt shows that it owes the agency $5.6 billion.
The country is more heavily indebted to the US Department of Agriculture which it owes $7.7 billion and the Federal Financing Bank, which holds $14.6 billion of the country's US debt.
Restrepo also spoke about Obama's intention to facilitate trade between the US and Cuba, saying that the Democrat would personally lead direct diplomacy with Cuban officials.
He said the presidential hopeful also understood the unique security challenges of the Caribbean and that the issue of trans-national crime was of great importance to the region.
He has, therefore, promised to restore funding for drug control programmes that were cut by the George W. Bush administration and to put an end to the illegal gun trade in the south.
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Don't worry, Akoben08, with Meninarmer, will transform Jamaica and it won't even have the need to entertain Obama's gift. Oh shoot, I forgot, those two aren't running for anything. Oh well back to the Boone's farm bottle.
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Instead of worrying about me not falling for more of Obama's promises, you should be busy doing your homework I gave you long ago. Instead of retreating to "the bottle", like all losers do, try to elevate yourself from the Grumman of "old"? No pun intended. LOL
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quote:Originally posted by Grumman: Don't worry, Akoben08, with Meninarmer, will transform Jamaica and it won't even have the need to entertain Obama's gift. Oh shoot, I forgot, those two aren't running for anything. Oh well back to the Boone's farm bottle.
quote:Originally posted by alTakruri: No not hard at all to see who sent you here and why. And what a great demagoguery job you're doing. You've succeeded in swaying Horus to see me through your eyes.
I'm still waiting for you to explain this insinuation alTakruri.
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) and I will not try to convince you otherwise. I will only say that it's ironic you think in-group identity, separatist ideology is somehow "outdated" yet Obama has to bow down to those who practice it the most, Jews! Plus the two rising third world powers India and China are traditionally known for their in-group mentality even bringing it to America. This has contributed significantly to their success as immigrants to the point where they don't push for an Asian presidential candidate because they know whoever is in power will have to deal with them! We have it the other way around: politics before economics, and this is why I say our situation will not change fundamentally.
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, meninarmer, it's "not a good look" at all being associated with that Homo Thug.
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