And really I've had enough of all this ad hominem roorag.
It's evident who has what sexual orientation based on the pornographic homo erotic fantasies they indulge themselves in for their self pleasure. We all see who is conjuring up lurid images from their own psyche and project them onto ones who do not flood this board with explicit male - male sex talk.
Horus, you are a man of great intelligence using logic to such a high degree that you rake in a mid six figure income from applying that science. Yet, the craft of demagoguery is so artful that even a master of logic looses all such propensity and lends credence to craftily implanted slander though no evidence of truth of the accusation exists.
Bottom line, though unwittingly so, you allowed yourself to be used by speaking where silence was of best service.
quote:Originally posted by HORUS^*^:
quote:Originally posted by alTakruri: No not hard at all to see who sent you here and why. And what a great demagoguery job you're doing. You've succeeded in swaying Horus to see me through your eyes.
I'm still waiting for you to explain this insinuation alTakruri.
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Pompous a**hole, as in other threads, when you can't back up your BS arguments you pull your usual snobbery. It's getting boring as is your constant homosexual allusions.
And really I've had enough of all this ad hominem roorag.
It's evident who has what sexual orientation based on the pornographic homo erotic fantasies they indulge themselves in for their self pleasure. We all see who is conjuring up lurid images from their own psyche and project them onto ones who do not flood this board with explicit male - male sex talk.
Horus, you are a man of great intelligence using logic to such a high degree that you rake in a mid six figure income from applying that science. Yet, the craft of demagoguery is so artful that even a master of logic looses all such propensity and lends credence to craftily implanted slander though no evidence of truth of the accusation exists.
Bottom line, though unwittingly so, you allowed yourself to be used by speaking where silence was of best service.
quote:Originally posted by HORUS^*^:
quote:Originally posted by alTakruri: No not hard at all to see who sent you here and why. And what a great demagoguery job you're doing. You've succeeded in swaying Horus to see me through your eyes.
I'm still waiting for you to explain this insinuation alTakruri.
Yo, stop picking on Young Horus and then attempting to flim-flam him into feeling guilty about your comments. Rather than showing your lack of confidence in swaying the impressionable, you should rather adjust your great intelligence to correct the serious flaws we observe in your skewed logic. Once you make progress in correcting this deficiency, you may gain some confidence on how others perceive you.
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And really I've had enough of all this ad hominem roorag.
It's evident who has what sexual orientation based on the pornographic homo erotic fantasies they indulge themselves in for their self pleasure. We all see who is conjuring up lurid images from their own psyche and project them onto ones who do not flood this board with explicit male - male sex talk.
Horus, you are a man of great intelligence using logic to such a high degree that you rake in a mid six figure income from applying that science. Yet, the craft of demagoguery is so artful that even a master of logic looses all such propensity and lends credence to craftily implanted slander though no evidence of truth of the accusation exists.
Bottom line, though unwittingly so, you allowed yourself to be used by speaking where silence was of best service.
quote:Originally posted by HORUS^*^:
quote:Originally posted by alTakruri: No not hard at all to see who sent you here and why. And what a great demagoguery job you're doing. You've succeeded in swaying Horus to see me through your eyes.
I'm still waiting for you to explain this insinuation alTakruri.
Big Bruv, you are the one that misunderstands me, I assure you.
My closing statements on the page you pointed to...
quote:Originally posted by HORUS^*^: ^It's Tee85 everybody!
he's back in signature form.
Please refrain from leading him on no matter how hard he baits.
His meat is our poison.
Lol, .
I was accusing akoben08 of being Tee85. I don't know if you remember but I have exchanged many hostile words with Tee85 in the past.
Anyway, how does that post insinuate anything relating to you? As far as I know, I was throwing darts at akoben for the choice of meat that he likes to put in his mouth lol .
I don't say this often but I have learnt more about Africana from you (and some other posters on this forum) in the past 24 months than I ever did in my 27 years of just being a "native African/ Nigerian". This has done wonders for my life on many levels. This is the reason for my respecful behaviour towards you and certain other posters, you know, Doug (where is he anyway?), rasol et al. Also, it is the African Way to always show respect to our elders even when they haven't been 100% right. This should explain my attitude towards Meninarmer. Like you, he's an older dude, so I respect him but I don't agree with his approach to solving the "black people" problems that we often talk about here. But just because we disagree does not mean we must become enemies.
Also, I know a bit more about the real you behind that keyboard. I have a lot of respect for the person that you are, I know your story. I view you through my own eyes - what I've learnt about you here from YOU and MY own personal research. I'll end it here but I'm sure you get my point.
p.s> I'm not as logical as you think, so my "financial status" (which is bullshit anyway, I don't print any money of mine) has less to do with my "intelligence" and more to do with the FACT that I HUSTLE harder than any other. I am just an average guy with BIG DREAMS. I don't read most people's posts on this forum (cuz most people ain't saying nothing), I tend to be selective. So if there's something I've missed out that led me to speak in such a way that it seemed I was insulting you, I do apologise.
My advice , if it is worth anything to you, is to IGNORE your detractors (and I am most definitely not one of them). They are not the ones you are trying to educate anyway. I'm sure the silent majority that visit this forum know who the real valuable posters are. Have you ever wondered why they (YOUR detractors) choose to attack YOU??? I'm sure you have...
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...you rake in a mid six figure income from applying that science. Yet, the craft of demagoguery is so artful that even a master of logic looses all such propensity and lends credence to craftily implanted slander though no evidence of truth of the accusation exists.
Um, you're right but only in dollars($), not in sterling(£) eh heh . But I get paid in sterling so your statement isn't strictly correct. I have increasingly learnt though that talking about MONEY (and how much of it I have) in a world where a lot of people are broke is not a good idea. So I'll end this one here.
As far as the "literary world" is concerned and the art of debating, I am very much a newbie (an accidental one in fact - I really came here to learn about Ancient Egyptian history in 2006). You are the Architect in this domain. I am here to learn from your kind. I for now, am only a student. So please don't expect my word-play to be as refined as yours.
Fyi, please check yout TNV mail.
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quote:I don't say this often but I have learnt more about Africana from you (and some other posters on this forum) in the past 24 months than I ever did in my 27 years of just being a "native African/ Nigerian".
Uuuuuh...a great moment in man-boy relations. LOL
quote: Also, I know a bit more about the real you behind that keyboard.
Wow!!!! J-Horus please, it's your turn now to explain this statement!!!
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Thank you sooo much Meninarmer for posting a link to Grumman's looks. Lordy Jesus, just what I suspected all along; that boy he white. I thought you were going to post the dirt on this guy since he's a businessman. Where dat at? By the way, you said you're a businessman, 'fess up with your dirt. C'mown Jim-m-m, I know you got some.
I'm thinking since I have a Tuskegee Airmen jacket plus a few other items, out of respect and profound admiration, by your reckoning I shouldn't wear the jacket; after all, since those brothers flew in whiteboy-designed airplanes they bootlickin' up to the man, ain't they. Never mind they kicked some white nazi ass in the process. I suspect you have a lowdown opinion of them, them flyin' white airplanes all over Europe. You would rather have had them doing the cotton picking routine just so you could have something to bitch about in 2008. Way to go, you who perceives at the speed of dark.
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^Clean it up anyway you'd like, but your sig doesn't say, Tuskegee Airmen, or F4, or anything else but GRUMMAN, for the racist prick who lived imitating a man. Granted, you probably don't know anything except GRUMMAN was a white Jew, and not aware of his many Nazi-like endeavors. As they say, ignorance IS Bliss.
Yes, I am a business man. As soon as I read Al's enthusiastic response I went out and brought stock in an Indian company that manufactures, refines and distributes Alum thruout the middle east.
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quote: Never mind they kicked some white nazi ass in the process.
Flying for one group of white nationalists to help defeat another. Yep, they are heroes alright. LMAO!
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Your Success took a shot at you what are you going to do now? how are you gonna kill it? you gonna become unsuccessful? Fine, you can be successful and have enemies or; be unsuccessful and you can have friends... he he
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akoboboy08, I put a special message in that song ( Success ) for you. It starts exactly at 58 seconds into the song and ends exactly at 59 seconds. Enjoy! Posts: 3423 | From: the jungle - when y'all stop playing games, call me. | Registered: Jul 2006
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You idiot he is no "renegade" he is as loyal to Americanism as any negro. Can't you see that? Besides if he really wanted to silence his critics he should probably stop trying to play negative western stereotypes, oh yeh gangsters are very uplifting type to young impressionable black youths. LOL
I know your kind, you are too far into this hip hop s**t to understand what I am saying. But listen up J-Horus, the Jay-Z phenomenon is not new or progressive, we always had rich negros who think they "made it".
today
1920s
Unfortunately these fools, not Garvey, Malcolm or even Madhubuti, became the models thus continuing the cycle of brainwashing while whites laugh all the way to the bank.
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quote: those 1920s negroes were having a good time. I'd rather be them than you.
I know J-Horus, I knew from reading your posts long ago how much of a negro you were. Thanks for confirm it. LOL
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quote:Originally posted by alTakruri: [QB] I can't be goaded into doing your homework for you. Also with your opinion of Jews your mind is already made up. But most important of all, this is the last time I waste my time trying to discuss anything with you.
So now the "sage" of ES is too proud to admit he was wrong on this one. Of course this is your last time al, your straws and evasions can't work with me . You know damn well Jews gained nothing significant they didn't have before and your post about their "civil rights" was downright misleading. It's the usual tactic of those who advance the Jews-are-our-allies argument. Your problem is you didnt expect to run up against a brick wall this time.
Dude why are you arguing with a white Jew about the Civil Rights movement? It is obvious that "Jews can do no wrong" in this book as in ALL Jews books and he will fight tooth and nail to make Jews actions fair seeming.
It's a lost cause. I don't know why you engage in discourse with this guy considering all he wants to do is tarnish African history with his "North" Afrocentricity based on his avatar and his propensity to unconditionally support Jews.
It's a dead issue and a waste of time. Him as well as other Jews are just simply vampires that drain energy and blood from black Africans as they have done for centuries on end.
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quote: I denied accusing you of JEALOUSY, not holding a grudge, which is apparent. Learn how to read.
So if, as a result of your conceitedness, you accuse others of holding a "grudge" against you that is not accusing them of "jealousy"? Oh well. LOL
Huh? Are you that punch drunk to associate two completely divergent concepts and force converge them in order to save face for your ridiculous accusations? I accused you of holding a GRUDGE, period. People hold grudges for various reasons. Most of the time it has to do with a stripping away of pride and a longing to regain the dignity that was lost in the process. Jealousy has more to do with being ashamed of who you are. I sense both, but in the context of your response to me, I meant what I said.
quote: The latter, where your only argument was the inevitable failure of Black people and the unstoppable Jew who can't seem to take his foot out of your ass.
quote:The irony of all this of course is the fact that they have it up your savoirs ass. LOL
Well, I've seen him address almost every community there is in America, including Native Americans in Montana. The fact that he has every foot of every ethnic group up his ass makes for a "shitty" situation, I'd assume. lol.. On a serious note though, this is just picture spam, c'mon now.
quote: That's not a contradiction or even an accurate assessment of my position of what I stated. Try again and don't stretch it so far next time.
quote:Who is moving goal post now? LOL Contrary to your "best candidate" thesis and need for government solutions to our problems ("A citizenry can only depend on its government"), those African immigrants didn't need an Obama presidency to "do culturally and economically" for them, they simply did for self....you know, that concept too "abstract for your simple mind to comprehend.".... LOL
Wtf? This is another weird non sequitur from you and I have no idea what you're talking about. lol.. Moving the goal post my ass, you were the one who was dubious of the claim that Africans out perform Asians and Europeans educationally, and now it's a reference for your failed "argument"? A reference that you got from me. The same Africans who run from their government TO this government in order to reap the added benefits of an American government where they CAN progress in education. Also, you should get enough of quoting me out of context, it is a disingenuous way trying to make a point. A "citizenry can only depend on its government" for domestic and foreign policy, not individual or cultural progress.
quote: I never stated that "in group thinking is outdated", so obviously that's not a direct quote. It is a straw man.
quote:Oh jesus don't lie now: "outdated premise of a separatist ideology based on a in group identity politics," you also inveighed against "outdated radicalism and Black-centric psycho agenda." damn negro elitist LOL
Ok.. Now where, as you quoted me, did I say: "in group thinking is outdated".. In group identity isn't separatist by default, simpleton. A separatist ideology BASED on in group superiority or identity politics, is what I'd label primitive. Not the actual concept of cultural identity. What kind of nonsense are you trying to push here with these endless Straw men? Don't insult the reader's intelligence.
quote: Your paranoid conspiracy theories simply don't apply here either. I request facts, data, and citations. Not expressions of contempt for Jews who you have yet to demonstrate have any connection whatsoever to the man in question.
quote:Don't lie, again, I provided you with sources you haven't read for obvious reasons. Also Jewish in-group tradition and control of American politics isn't "conspiracy theory" white nord, it is fact.
^^Like I said, I have no time for your schizophrenic conspiracy theories.
Your article was written by John Mearsheimer and Stephen Walt..
John J. Mearsheimer (born December 1947) is the R. Wendell Harrison Distinguished Service Professor of Political Science at the University of Chicago. He is a well-known international relations theorist.
Go to Amazon Books, category - "Books for Conspiracy Theorists":
#13. The Israel Lobby and U.S. Foreign Policy by John J. Mearsheimer
^^ Next time maybe you'd shy away from your general google scholarship and be more objective before claiming that everything you find in a search engine is somehow an established "fact". Jeeze! It sucks to be you.
quote:I do
quote:Even with all her historical and contemporary racism and marginalisation of blacks you like America just fine?!?!? Better take care of those two warring souls Dubois. LOL
I guess. Not that I know what you're talking about and/or speak Baboon.
quote: If you have no idea what "Jew Bashing" is, then how will I be able to show evidence of it or even get you to admit that that's what you're doing? Anyways, get a life and end your obsession.
quote:Yep, just as I thought, white nord cannot even define "Jew bashing", let alone identify it. Talk about see through! LMAO!
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Completely divergent concepts? My god, I figure you know that grudges are born out of jealousy, but I understand your need for hair splitting. LOL
quote: Well, I've seen him address almost every community there is in America, including Native Americans in Montana. The fact that he has every foot of every ethnic group up his ass makes for a "shitty" situation, I'd assume. lol.. On a serious note though, this is just picture spam, c'mon now.
That you would compare other groups to his kneeling before the supreme council of Elders of AIPAC, to the point of compromising his own ideals of "changing Washington culture" (of which such extreme grovelling is common place) shows you who are either a simpleton or a deceitful negro.
quote: you were the one who was dubious of the claim that Africans out perform Asians and Europeans educationally, and now it's a reference for your failed "argument"? A reference that you got from me. The same Africans who run from their government TO this government in order to reap the added benefits of an American government where they CAN progress in education. Also, you should get enough of quoting me out of context, it is a disingenuous way trying to make a point. A "citizenry can only depend on its government" for domestic and foreign policy, not individual or cultural progress.
Out of context my ass, you said "A citizenry can only depend on its government, unless they themselves establish some kind of radical movement to break off into a separate nation. Until then, it's all about electing the best candidate, which is Obama."
Since I never advocated a separate nation for blacks in America, we can disregard that particular straw. Now let's go down the line shall we and expose your lies: the sum of my argument was that government has failed blacks over the years and Obama will be no different. My alternative is for us to "do for self" (cultural nationalism/in-group mentality) and not rely on civil rights movement's enslavement to the Democratic Party. I never made the claim Asians performed Africans, to underscore my argument I said "India and China are traditionally known for their in-group mentality even bringing it to America.", You the replied with success of African immigrants (based on a study just at the end of a Democratic presidency and a republican congress imagine that!) this I asked for, knowing you would go fetch it, you did and it underscored my argument: they didn't need Obama's promises to progress culturally and economically, they did for self! Evidently then, for those immigrants it wasn't "all about" falling for the promises of Obama.
quote: Ok.. Now where, as you quoted me, did I say: "in group thinking is outdated".. In group identity isn't separatist by default, simpleton. A separatist ideology BASED on in group superiority or identity politics, is what I'd label primitive. Not the actual concept of cultural identity..
Yep, again you are moving the goal post with a false dichotomy since I never advocated separatism! But I fully understand your tactics nord as you know damn well in-group identity culture (which I do advocate) is important to group success.
quote: Next time maybe you'd shy away from your general google scholarship and be more objective before claiming that everything you find in a search engine is somehow an established "fact". Jeeze! It sucks to be you.
Yep, here again you expose yourself. Since you are unable to refute the claims of scholars who are saying nothing new, you resort to the standard model of smear and ad hominem. I have to admit Sundiata/white nord/mmmkay you did surprise me here, given the fact you are a seasoned debater.... with yourself! as I said you can only handle your trolls. you little fake ass negro. LMAO!
quote:White Nord definitely has a problem then..
Yep you do have a problem now, youre going the way of the other fakes philo Semites in here...exposed!
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Yes because this was done for integration which this most surely represents.
quote: Niggers always going through bullshit change but when it comes to real change niggers are scared of revolution.
Now this was for this but it never happened because
quote:you know and I know niggers will party and bullshit and party and bullshit and par-tay ... some might even die before the revolution comes
And that's your difference between freedom movement and civil rights. Civil war (if necessary), not civil rights. Ballots and boxes, bullets and guns (ask Kenya) and the outlaw always rides in front.
quote:Originally posted by akoben08: Generation gap J-Horus, sorry. Hip hop is no more, I don't listen s**t music from whites and their negros.
we went through this:
so we could get this, what a change!
NIGGAS ARE ALWAYS GOING THROUGH BULLSHIT CHANGE
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quote:Originally posted by akoben08: Completely divergent concepts? My god, I figure you know that grudges are born out of jealousy, but I understand your need for hair splitting. LOL
Hahahaha!! You are definitely no English major.
Grudge: - a persistent feeling of resentment against a person who has caused harm or upset
Jealousy: - Having to do with or arising from feelings of envy, apprehension, or bitterness
Jealousy by default does not begat grudges and grudges by default do not derive from Jealousy. I can hold a grudge against someone who did me harm and temporarily envy a person with out holding a grudge.
quote:That you would compare other groups to his kneeling before the supreme council of Elders of AIPAC, to the point of compromising his own ideals of "changing Washington culture" (of which such extreme grovelling is common place) shows you who are either a simpleton or a deceitful negro.
Your hatred for any civility towards Jews notwithstanding, I watched that meeting live and Sen. Obama compromised nothing by way of his long held plans to help change Washington. This is just bitter rhetoric with no basis n reality, as usual. No substance behind your charges, just bitter rants and racially charged diatribes. You must truly hate yourself.
quote:Out of context my ass, you said "A citizenry can only depend on its government, unless they themselves establish some kind of radical movement to break off into a separate nation. Until then, it's all about electing the best candidate, which is Obama."
Like I said, A citizenry can only depend on its government concerning foreign and domestic policy. Not cultural and individual progress or self-determination. Keep trying to spin out of that isolated quotation what you will, but the meaning is the same.
quote:Since I never advocated a separate nation for blacks in America, we can disregard that particular straw.
You strongly advocate separatism which is evident from your rhetoric. The "separate island nation" comment was obviously hyperbole.
quote: Now let's go down the line shall we and expose your lies: the sum of my argument was that government has failed blacks over the years and Obama will be no different.
Ok, you're entitled to that opinion, though I've already explained why I think he will. I have no idea why your pessimism somehow outweighs my optimism. I can effectively argue the opposite however given your limited biographical knowledge of the candidate.
quote: My alternative is for us to "do for self" (cultural nationalism/in-group mentality) and not rely on civil rights movement's enslavement to the Democratic Party.
This is NOT an alternative, nor a strategic plan to get out of bondage. It is a cultural statement of pride that does little to solve the political issues that directly affect minorities on a daily basis. It offers no means of co-existing while working to change government. It looks to isolate a group of people based on sub-culture, while ignoring the mainstream culture that we're a part of and need to evolve into. Democrat, republican, they are just labels. The ideas is what makes this country great. I think Obama has the best ideas out of any candidate. My position of course being that Obama is our best choice for president. You on the other hand, approach that view as if we don't need a president at all, being that you are opposed to my position, but can't seem to justify your opposition by naming a "better candidate" and why. In other words, you're either just trolling or are confused.
quote:I never made the claim Asians performed Africans
Never said you did, scarecrow..
quote: to underscore my argument I said "India and China are traditionally known for their in-group mentality even bringing it to America.", You the replied with success of African immigrants (based on a study just at the end of a Democratic presidency and a republican congress imagine that!)
If this is a cheap way to undermine the study, keep in mind that it's from last year, not "at the end of a Democratic presidency and a republican congress".. Your attention deficit disorder is definitely a hindrance.
quote:this I asked for, knowing you would go fetch it, you did and it underscored my argument
You had no argument, you didn't even believe me when I told you and your point was about in group solidarity. This actually undermines whatever point you had since Africans (unlike African Americans) don't put much emphasis on in group, ethnic identity politics. Their success has more to do with OTHER cultural habits.
quote:they didn't need Obama's promises to progress culturally and economically, they did for self!
Ok, well if it's all about "doing for self" then what is it about America and its policies that allows them to more easily "do for self" than back home, where according to you, government doesn't affect lives since it's all about "doing for one's self"? Obviously you're confused and are changing your argument every other reply only to be trapped in your own contradictions.
quote:Evidently then, for those immigrants it wasn't "all about" falling for the promises of Obama.
Of course not, and no on puts **all** of their stock in government as one shouldn't and cannot deny government influence on everyday lives. It isn't a question of either, or.
quote:Yep, again you are moving the goal post
Define your definition of moving the goal post because I'm totally lost now. You seem to be throwing the kitchen sink right now and generally make no sense. For the life of me I do not see how my comment is "moving the goal post"..
quote:with a false dichotomy
Which is the "false dichotomy"? What is the object of comparison and how are they being illogically distinguished? What are you talking about? Please, make some sense.
quote:since I never advocated separatism!
Yes you have.. If you haven't, then you sure speak the language and I would honestly have no idea what your point would then be. Stop wasting my time. You have in one day, flip flopped more than anybody I've ever engaged on this forum. 680 posts in one month (20+ posts a day) about nothing.
quote:But I fully understand your tactics nord
And calling me "white Nord" isn't a tactic? What a fraud.
quote: as you know damn well in-group identity culture (which I do advocate) is important to group success.
As well as isolation, radicalism, overthrowing government, revolutionary warfare, and intra-ethnic intolerance, according to your strange ideas.
quote:Yep, here again you expose yourself. Since you are unable to refute the claims of scholars who are saying nothing new, you resort to the standard model of smear and ad hominem. I have to admit Sundiata/white nord/mmmkay you did surprise me here, given the fact you are a seasoned debater.... with yourself! as I said you can only handle your trolls. you little fake ass negro. LMAO!
Filler. Point that you sly away from being that you claimed these were not conspiracy theories. I've clearly refuted that assertion. Therefore, I am not obligated to refute every google seach that you make since google wars are perpetual ones. The easiest way to refute claims made from google searches is through another google search. Why waste my time. I'm not you (a google scholar).
quote:Yep you do have a problem now, youre going the way of the other fakes philo Semites in here...exposed!
I guess the deranged drama queen will decide to continue his character role play. I will just ignore it as I should and let this psychotic female continue to spew undirected venom.
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Whatever nuance you want to debate is fine, but like I said, I fully understand why you insist on this one.
quote: Your hatred for any civility towards Jews notwithstanding, I watched that meeting live and Sen. Obama compromised nothing by way of his long held plans to help change Washington. This is just bitter rhetoric with no basis n reality, as usual. No substance behind your charges, just bitter rants and racially charged diatribes. You must truly hate yourself.
What didn't compromise his values? your faith that it was only rhetoric or what he actually said?
quote: Like I said, A citizenry can only depend on its government concerning foreign and domestic policy. Not cultural and individual progress or self-determination. Keep trying to spin out of that isolated quotation what you will, but the meaning is the same.
No isolation, no spin. Only quote what you said at the time. Too late now for the edit button. LOL
quote: You strongly advocate separatism which is evident from your rhetoric. The "separate island nation" comment was obviously hyperbole.
Give me f**king break, don't put words in my mouth because you dont have an argument.
quote: This is NOT an alternative, nor a strategic plan to get out of bondage. It is a cultural statement of pride that does little to solve the political issues that directly affect minorities on a daily basis. It offers no means of co-existing while working to change government. It looks to isolate a group of people based on sub-culture, while ignoring the mainstream culture that we're a part of and need to evolve into. Democrat, republican, they are just labels. The ideas is what makes this country great. I think Obama has the best ideas out of any candidate. My position of course being that Obama is our best choice for president. You on the other hand, approach that view as if we don't need a president at all, being that you are opposed to my position, but can't seem to justify your opposition by naming a "better candidate" and why. In other words, you're either just trolling or are confused.
Wow! Talk about incoherent scatter brained garbage! Now you see us as being in "bondage" yet you liked America just fine!?!?! YOU SLAVE! HAHAHAH You now concede "Democrat, republican, they are just labels." What happened to savior Obama????
Oh my, you really are a Dubois!
But contrary to your view, assimilation ("the mainstream culture that we're a part of and need to evolve into.") will NEVER take place; years of "bondage" despite America being a "good idea" should have convinced you by now. But you are a dreamer, I give you that. LOL
quote: If this is a cheap way to undermine the study, keep in mind that it's from last year, not "at the end of a Democratic presidency and a republican congress".. Your attention deficit disorder is definitely a hindrance.
Not "undermining it" just showing how you shot yourself in the foot. And I thought it was a side-by-side comparison of 2000 census data, but if you are going to argue that they succeed even under Bush then you have just killed yourself! LMAO!
quote: You had no argument, you didn't even believe me when I told you and your point was about in group solidarity. This actually undermines whatever point you had since Africans (unlike African Americans) don't put much emphasis on in group, ethnic identity politics. Their success has more to do with OTHER cultural habits.
I knew of that study was looking for it for the longest while, and baited you to post it, knowing it will undermine your "best candidate" thesis. Don't cry on me now that you are a sucker. And African immigrants by and large, like other immigrant "model minorities", are in-group oriented which is why there is such a thing as an "African immigrant community" i.e. they aren't assimilated. Your problem is you mistake simply wearing black pride t-shirts and saying Eeeguupttt is black like rasolowitz etc with my concept of "in-group" orientation. LOL
quote: Ok, well if it's all about "doing for self" then what is it about America and its policies that allows them to more easily "do for self" than back home, where according to you, government doesn't affect lives since it's all about "doing for one's self"? Obviously you're confused and are changing your argument every other reply only to be trapped in your own contradictions.
You wish white nord. Your confusion stems from you building straws and them not working. Never used your term "all about" doing for self, I shy away from such absolute alternatives like you. I am not saying America doesn't provide opportunities (even as she destroys other countries) for success, just that we don't need an Obama to take advantage of them. Clearly African immigrants made good of the opportunities (without Obama and under a republican congress, under the same "culture of Washington" he now wants to change), so should other blacks. You have no argument.
quote:Which is the "false dichotomy"? What is the object of comparison and how are they being illogically distinguished? What are you talking about? Please, make some sense.
quote: never advocated separatism!
quote:Yes you have.. If you haven't, then you sure speak the language and I would honestly have no idea what your point would then be. Stop wasting my time. You have in one day, flip flopped more than anybody I've ever engaged on this forum. 680 posts in one month (20+ posts a day) about nothing.
No "flip flopping" you're just a liar. You can't even make up your mind if I said it "Yes you have.. ..If you haven't,". HAHA Can't have your cake and eat it liar-liar.
quote: As well as isolation, radicalism, overthrowing government, revolutionary warfare, and intra-ethnic intolerance, according to your strange ideas.
More lies, show where I say all that!
quote: Filler. Point that you sly away from being that you claimed these were not conspiracy theories. I've clearly refuted that assertion. Therefore, I am not obligated to refute every google seach that you make since google wars are perpetual ones. The easiest way to refute claims made from google searches is through another google search. Why waste my time. I'm not you (a google scholar).
You little insect, you know damn well ad hominem is the oldest trick in the book. You pull this s**t now for obvious reasons. But if you think they are all "conspiracy theories", then demonstrate. But be careful, you might end up looking as stupid as this critic.Posts: 4165 | From: jamaica | Registered: May 2008
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quote:Originally posted by Sundiata: I think Nader is a fool who simply has no idea what it's like to be a Black politician running for president. Honestly, it makes little sense for Barack to define himself as "the candidate of Race", or the defender of minority interests. He'd look like your typical special interest candidate which goes against his theme of change firstly, and secondly, indeed makes him more threatening. One would be totally foolish to consider that Obama isn't restraining himself in order to win playing by their rules. Blacks who are Anti-Obama often confuse me. I mean, out of the viable choices presented, certainly Obama has the better policy towards economic growth in the Black community, by offering middle class tax cuts, college tuition assistance, health care reform, welfare-to-work programs, among other things.. I'm not exactly sure how a war monger like John Mccain or a Commie like Ralph Nader has the interest of Black people in mind.
I agree.
quote:I have faith that once Obama holds a position of power, he'd no longer have to pander as much to the white establishment and will focus a lot more on empowering the community he has claimed to affiliate himself with.
Yeah, I definitely have hope that this will be the case to, because, judging by what he's saying, I can identify with him and feel for him.
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Believe or not this is not the first time something like this has happened.
There was this one roach that was posting the typical Somali race tripe that he slavishly picked up from whites. He actually had his picture up in his avatar.
The fool looked like Sean Elliott from the San Antonio Spurs. Someone most have told him that he didn't look any different from him or some other African descended person, because guess what, the next day he changed his avatar.
LOL LOL Double LOL
LOL at the soSmalies slavishly repeating white low self-esteem propaganda all the while looking like young Barry Bonds from the Pittsburgh Pirates, Sean Elliott from the San Antonio Spurs, Sean "Puffy" Combs, and the recording artist Montell Jordan.
Somalis are some of the most pitiful bastards on this planet, which is the reason why Somalia is known as "The Devil's Toilet". : )
hahahaheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
PS. Now I see where Puff Daddy got his teef from. : )
quote: This is very pecular to me, she's a somali woman who lives in europe, why is she hunting "uncle tom's" in america? She's not "black" american, it's none of her business if Oprah or whoever is a "traitor", that's a matter between her and her people. Of course it's also none of my business why her mentality is like that, i was just being curious, that's why i asked.
Maybe its the same reason your Barry Bonds looking ass is always worried about:
quote: Most recently of all, Obama, who up until now had openly backed the strict handgun ban in Washington DC, last week declared his support for a 5 to 4 Supreme Court ruling which overturned the restrictions. Even though his own hometown mayor, Chicago's Richard Daley, and the Los Angeles police chief William Bratton, both criticised the ruling, Obama flip-flopped once more, saying that the judgment "reinforces that if we act responsibly we can both protect the constitutional right to bear arms and keep our communities and our children safe."
quote: Most recently of all, Obama, who up until now had openly backed the strict handgun ban in Washington DC, last week declared his support for a 5 to 4 Supreme Court ruling which overturned the restrictions. Even though his own hometown mayor, Chicago's Richard Daley, and the Los Angeles police chief William Bratton, both criticised the ruling, Obama flip-flopped once more, saying that the judgment "reinforces that if we act responsibly we can both protect the constitutional right to bear arms and keep our communities and our children safe."
This is why the Bass is having trouble understanding Obama, how many times will he do these things? Black people have better beware, this man has promised us nothing so nothing great should be expected. When the white man set up country on the foundation of white supremacy he damn well made sure that he and his people would always be in charge while simultaneously making sure that no non-whites would even sit in his place.
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quote:Originally posted by alTakruri: Yes because this was done for integration which this
most surely represents.
quote: Niggers always going through bullshit change but when it comes to real change niggers are scared of revolution.
Now this was for this but it never happened because
quote:you know and I know niggers will party and bullshit and party and bullshit and par-tay ... some might even die before the revolution comes
And that's your difference between freedom movement and civil rights. Civil war (if necessary), not civil rights. Ballots and boxes, bullets and guns (ask Kenya) and the outlaw always rides in front.
What makes you say Jay-Z is scared of REVOLUTION? How did you come to this conclusion?
Can revolutionary muzik (though sublime) not contribute towards a revolution?
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quote: Revolution is nothing but change And all niggers do is change
Niggers always goin' through bullshit change But when it comes for real change, Niggers are scared of revolution
You haven't the foggiest of what revolution is otherwise you'd not speak of it so lightly.
quote: I hope pearly white teeth fall from the mouths that speak of revolution without reference
Speak not of revolution until you are ready to eat rats to survive
With revolution, guns and rifles take the place of poems and essays.
Revolution is not childsplay nor is it posts on the internet.
What happened in Cuba was revolution. No more mother and daughter "working" for the Yankee dollar.
Slow down to comprehend that which you read. I said nothing about any Jay-Z It was The Last Poets speaking on niggers and revolution.
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quote:Originally posted by alTakruri: Enough of the kid stuff.
quote: Revolution is nothing but change And all niggers do is change
Niggers always goin' through bullshit change But when it comes for real change, Niggers are scared of revolution
You haven't the foggiest of what revolution is otherwise you'd not speak of it so lightly.
quote: I hope pearly white teeth fall from the mouths that speak of revolution without reference
Speak not of revolution until you are ready to eat rats to survive
With revolution, guns and rifles take the place of poems and essays.
Revolution is not childsplay nor is it posts on the internet.
What happened in Cuba was revolution. No more mother and daughter "working" for the Yankee dollar.
Slow down to comprehend that which you read. I said nothing about any Jay-Z It was The Last Poets speaking on niggers and revolution.
Don't cop out alT, why don't you tell the kid wether or not you think J-Z is "revolutionary muzik".... Posts: 4165 | From: jamaica | Registered: May 2008
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quote:Originally posted by alTakruri: I said nothing about any Jay-Z
I know you didn't say it, but you kinda implied it. It's a real bitch when people make assumptions about your thoughts, innit?
quote:Originally posted by alTakruri: Slow down to comprehend that which you read.
You're right about this. I do skim read most times. My bad. But when you're a knowledge scavenger, and there's a drought, you develop a habit of skimming thru fluff to quickly get to the real stuff. The downside to that attitude is you occassionaly miss gems.
Posts: 3423 | From: the jungle - when y'all stop playing games, call me. | Registered: Jul 2006
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quote:Originally posted by alTakruri: Enough of the kid stuff.
quote: Revolution is nothing but change And all niggers do is change
Niggers always goin' through bullshit change But when it comes for real change, Niggers are scared of revolution
You haven't the foggiest of what revolution is otherwise you'd not speak of it so lightly.
quote: I hope pearly white teeth fall from the mouths that speak of revolution without reference
Speak not of revolution until you are ready to eat rats to survive
With revolution, guns and rifles take the place of poems and essays.
Revolution is not childsplay nor is it posts on the internet.
What happened in Cuba was revolution. No more mother and daughter "working" for the Yankee dollar.
Slow down to comprehend that which you read. I said nothing about any Jay-Z It was The Last Poets speaking on niggers and revolution.
Don't cop out alT, why don't you tell the kid wether or not you think J-Z is "revolutionary muzik"....
Why don't you let go of alT's trousers. He's not like that.
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Gil Scott-Heron. Who'll Pay Reparations on my Soul Many suggestions And documents written. Many directions For the end that was given. They gave us Pieces of silver and pieces of gold. Tell me, Who’ll pay reparations on my soul?
Many fine speeches (oh yeah) From the White House desk (uh huh) Written on the cue cards That were never really there. Yes, But the heat and the summer were there And the freezing winter’s cold. Now Tell me, Who’ll pay reparations on my soul?
Call my brother a junkie 'cause he ain’t got no job (no job, no job). Told my old man to leave me when times got hard (so hard). Told my mother she got to carry me all by herself. And now that I want to be a man (be a man) who can depend on no one else (oh yeah).
What about the red man Who met you at the coast? You never dig sharing; Always had to have the most. And what about Mississippi, The boundary of old? Tell me, Who’ll pay reparations on my soul?
Call my brother a junkie 'cause he ain’t got no job Told my old man to leave me when times got hard (so hard). Told my mother she got to carry me all by herself. Wanna be a man that can depend on no one else (oh yeah).
What about the red man, Who met you at the coast? You never dig sharing; Always had to have the most. And what about Mississippi, The boundaries of old? Tell me, Who’ll pay reparations on my soul?
Many fine speeches (oh yeah) From the White House desk (uh huh) Written on the cue cards That were never really there. Yes, But the heat and the summer were there And the freezing winter’s cold. Tell me, Who’ll pay reparations on my soul? Who’ll pay reparations, ‘Cause I don’t dig segregation, but I can’t get integration I got to take it to the United Nations, Someone to help me away from this nation. Tell me, Who’ll pay reparations on my soul? Posts: 8014 | From: the Tekrur in the Western Sahel | Registered: Feb 2006
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Gil Scott-Heron. Liberation Song I’ve seen the red sun in the autumn And I’ve seen the leaves turn to golden brown I’ve seen the red sun in the autumn And I’ve seen the leaves returning to golden brown I’ve seen the red blood of my people Heard them calling for freedom everywhere If you’ve seen the red blood of your people All you’ve got to do it Reach out your hand and we’ll take you there Red stands for liberation Red
I see the blackness of winter I see death lurking in the trees Yeah, I see the blackness of winter And I see death lurking in the trees I see the blackness of my people You know they’re calling for freedom everywhere I’ve seen the blackness of my people And all you got to do, Brothers and sisters, reach out your hands, We’re gonna take you there Black stands for liberation, yeah, aah
I’ve seen the green buds in the springtime And somebody told me that means new life I’ve seen the green buds in the springtime Comin’ up through the concrete Somebody told me they symbolize new life I’ve seen the green fields of my homeland And I’ve heard people calling for freedom everywhere It seems to me like if you’ve seen the green fields of your homeland Even when you dream it, you can reach out your mind And someone will take you there, cause Green stands for liberation Green
There are three colors on our flag now, brother One red, one black, and there’s one green There are three colors on our flag now, sister Can you tell your babies what they mean? I’m talking ‘bout red and the black and green Want you to keep on thinking ‘bout red and the black and green I’m gonna keep on singin’ ‘bout red and the black and green And sooner than you think the whole world’s gonna know just what we mean When we say they stand for liberation They stand for liberation
Talkin’ bout red Yes, and black We’re talkin’ bout green It’s more than a dream if you dig what we mean
It stands for liberation It stands for a brand new nation It stands for liberation It stands for a brand new nation YeahPosts: 8014 | From: the Tekrur in the Western Sahel | Registered: Feb 2006
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So where's the online music service owned and operated by which hip hop mogul where I can either listen to or read the lyrics of
EXUMA - Pay me what you owe me WATTS PROPHETS - Them Niggers ain't playin'; etc LAST POETS - etc GIL SCOTT-HERON - etc NIKKI GIOVANNI - Peace be still; etc SOUND EXPERIENCE - Give me my Mule PROPHET MOSE - Would you do it black; etc GARY BARTZ - Harlem Bush Music album
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Jay-Z Big Pimpin Uhh, uh uh uh It's big pimpin baby.. It's big pimpin, spendin G's Feel me.. uh-huh uhh, uh-huh.. Ge-ge-geyeah, geyeah Ge-ge-geyeah, geyeah..
You know I - thug em, **** em, love em, leave em Cause I don't fuckin need em Take em out the hood, keep em lookin good But I don't fuckin feed em First time they fuss I'm breezin Talkin bout, "What's the reasons?" I'm a pimp in every sense of the word, bitch Better trust than believe em In the cut where I keep em til I need a nut, til I need to beat the guts Then it's, beep beep and I'm pickin em up Let em play with the dick in the truck Many chicks wanna put Jigga fist in cuffs Divorce him and split his bucks Just because you got good head, I'ma break bread so you can be livin it up? **** I.. parts with nothin, y'all be frontin Me give my heart to a woman? Not for nothin, never happen I'll be forever mackin Heart cold as assassins, I got no passion I got no patience And I hate waitin.. Hoe get yo' ass in And let's RI-I-I-I-I-IDE.. check em out now RI-I-I-I-I-IDE, yeah And let's RI-I-I-I-I-IDE.. check em out now RI-I-I-I-I-IDE, yeah
We doin.. big pimpin, we spendin G's Check em out now Big pimpin, on B.L.A.D.'s We doin.. big pimpin up in N.Y.C. It's just that Jigga Man, Pimp C, and B-U-N B Yo yo yo.. big pimpin, spendin G's We doin - big pimpin, on B.L.A.D.'s We doin.. big pimpin up in N.Y.C. It's just that Jigga Man, Pimp C, and B-U-N B
[Bun B] Nigga it's the - big Southern rap impresario Comin straight up out the black bar-rio Makes a mill' up off a sorry hoe Then sit back and peep my sce-nawr-e-oh Oops, my bad, that's my scenario No I can't **** a scary hoe Now every time, every place, everywhere we go Hoes start pointin - they say, "There he go!" Now these motherfuckers know we carry mo' heat than a little bit We don't pull it out over little **** And if you catch a lick when I spit, then it won't be a little hit Go read a book you illiterate son of a bitch and step up yo' vocab Don't be surprised if yo' hoe stab out with me and you see us comin down on yo' slab Livin ghetto-fabulous, so mad, you just can't take it But nigga if you hatin I then you wait while I get yo' bitch butt-naked, just break it You gotta pay like you weigh wet wit two pairs of clothes on Now get yo' ass to the back as I'm flyin to the track Timbaland let me spit my pro's on Pump it up in the pro-zone That's the track that we breakin these hoes on Ain't the track that we flow's on But when **** get hot, then the glock start poppin like ozone We keep hoes crunk like Trigger-man Fo' real it don't get no bigger man Don't trip, let's flip, gettin throwed on the flip Gettin blowed with the motherfuckin Jigga Man, fool
Chorus Two: Bun B
We be.. big pimpin, spendin G's We be.. big pimpin, on B.L.A.D.'s We be.. big pimpin down in P.A.T. It's just that Jigga Man, Pimp C, and B-U-N B Cause we be.. big pimpin, spendin G's And we be.. big pimpin, on B.L.A.D.'s Cause we be.. big pimpin in P.A.T. It's just that Jigga Man, Pimp C, and B-U-N B.. nigga
[Pimp C] Uhh.. smokin out, throwin up, keepin lean up in my cup All my car got leather and wood, in my hood we call it buck Everybody wanna ball, holla at broads at the mall If he up, watch him fall, nigga I can't **** witch'all If I wasn't rappin baby, I would still be ridin Mercedes Chromin shinin sippin daily, no rest until whitey pay me Uhhh, now what y'all know bout them Texas boys Comin down in candied toys, smokin weed and talkin noise
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. But I get paid in sterling so your statement isn't strictly correct. I have increasingly learnt though that talking about MONEY (and how much of it I have) in a world where a lot of people are broke is not a good idea. So I'll end this one here.
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What a fraud.
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