these frescos became darker during the last 2 thousand yeas. thats normal
btw. all these figures show straight hair, thin lips and aquiline noses, and brown skin. so what??
But what about persians? you claim that they (alongside greeks ans romans) were black. when i showed you that the Khusrau was in war with abyssinnians and that looked like that
Wood painting in an achaemenid Tomb found in Turkey, Tatarli Tumulus, 400–500 BC (original coulours)
Posts: 95 | From: Europa | Registered: Mar 2018
| IP: Logged |
quote:Originally posted by Nevermore: hahahahaha. these frescos became darker during the last 2 thousand yeas. thats normal
It's a funny argument especially when post freshly restored (demolished) statues.
Those frescos are in the original state, they show distinction between lighter and darker colors. So that argument really doesn't help you at all.
This is why the pope has a black Mary and Jesus at the Cathedral.
“At that time also there appeared a certain man of magic power … if it be meet to call him a man, [whose name is Jesus], whom [certain] Greeks call a son of [a] God, but his disciples [call] the true prophet who is supposed to have raised dead persons and to have cured all diseases. Both his nature and his form were human, for he was a man of simple appearance, mature age, black-skinned (melagchrous), short growth, three cubits tall, hunchbacked, prognathous (lit. ‘with a long face [macroprosopos]), a long nose, eyebrows meeting above the nose, that the spectators could take fright, with scanty [curly] hair, but having a line in the middle of the head after the fashion of the Nazaraeans, with an undeveloped beard. (*Halōsis, ii.174).”[4]
posted
Hmm, it still came afterwards what I have posted. And you yourself posted:
quote:Originally posted by Nevermore: "Here you have the sasanian WHITE King Khusrau and his fellow WHITE sasanians fighting BLACKS".
I know you are not a real fast thinker, perhaps next year it will occur to you what this implies. Since you claim to be an "engineer", you are considerably slow. The word is "SPECTROMETRY."
Keep it going.
quote:The cultural authorities in Turkey called the exhibition of ‘The Return of Colures’ a success, as for the first time the Achaemenid tomb chamber, one of the finest examples of the ancient Iranian art of wood painting that survived to the present day, was on show at Yapi Kredi Vedat Nedim Tör Museum.
After remaining intact for 2500 years, the Tatarli wooden paintings were nearly destroyed within the last forty years. Restoring this burial chamber to its former glory required fitting hundreds of pieces together, making new additions to the original material and using an artificial steel construction.
posted
^What you are posting is not helping your cause. Only in your mind it is helping you. In fact it confirms what I have been posting.
Keep it going.
The Polychromy of the so called Alexander Sarcophagus in the National Museum of Istanbul. Research, Documentation and Reconstruction (Vinzenz Brinkmann, Ulrike Koch-Brinkmann)
posted
and the colours of the Alexander Sarcophagus were revealed by UV/VIS spectrometry.
Plus the original colours are still slightly visible. Just read real science, not your fantasy scripts Posts: 95 | From: Europa | Registered: Mar 2018
| IP: Logged |
The glorious Khusrau Anushirwan fighting Ethiopians and commanding to sadly not let any blacks alive ( He was a fucking asshole racist)
“When the Persian king (Chosroes) heard of this he sent Wahriz with 4,000 Persians and ordered him to kill every Abyssinian or child of an Abyssinian and an Arab woman, great or small, and not leave alive a single man with crisp curly hair. Posts: 95 | From: Europa | Registered: Mar 2018
| IP: Logged |
quote:Originally posted by Nevermore: No. All my Posts are proving that Persians were white (at least not black).
I am supported by SCIENCE.
You on the other hand are posting Pictures of Non-Persian ELamites, Babylonians, Assyrians.
Actually I am Very happy NOONE in the entire world who is to be taken seriously believes that GREEKS, ROMANS, PERSIANS were black.
But keep on dreaming, I support you
SMH this here is terrible. You have to go to pictures, since you can't properly read English. I understand. Now you quickly derail the subject again, making up nonsense arguments that weren't mentions at all. And I am supplely dreaming? Learn to read English properly first, because it's a hurdle and language barrier.
You support science? Hmmm Are you sure? I have posted peer reviewed science and I've ignored it, with crazy pseudo remarks.
Posts: 22234 | From: האם אינכם כילדי הכרית אלי בני ישראל | Registered: Nov 2010
| IP: Logged |
posted
“When the Persian king (Chosroes) heard of this he sent Wahriz with 4,000 Persians and ordered him to kill every Abyssinian or child of an Abyssinian and an Arab woman, great or small, and not leave alive a single man with crisp curly hair.
Yeah pictures are soooo bad. They show you how someone looked like Posts: 95 | From: Europa | Registered: Mar 2018
| IP: Logged |
quote:Originally posted by Nevermore: Just accept this:
The glorious Khusrau Anushirwan fighting Ethiopians and commanding to sadly not let any blacks alive ( He was a fucking asshole racist)
“When the Persian king (Chosroes) heard of this he sent Wahriz with 4,000 Persians and ordered him to kill every Abyssinian or child of an Abyssinian and an Arab woman, great or small, and not leave alive a single man with crisp curly hair.
I already have responded to this. what part did you not understand?
All it does is support what I have posted. I have even cited Bible verses. It does not help you are at all. And you feel insulted when people call you a jackass?
Since you keep reposting, I will repost this for you as well.
Nahum 3:9 "Ethiopia and Egypt were her strength, and it was infinite"
Isaiah 20:4 So shall the king of Assyria lead away the Egyptians prisoners, and the Ethiopians captives, young and old, naked and barefoot, even with their buttocks uncovered, to the shame of Egypt.
Nahum, Nineveh and Those Nasty Assyrians
He cleared the Delta of the Cushites (Ethiopians) in 667/666 BC and the Cushite ruler, Taharqa, fled to No-Amon.
Im so glad you were not present when Khusrau, this fucking racist , commanded to kill all black people in Ethiopia.
Im so glad the arabs finally crushed the saasanians and the Byzantines had some timne to chill
Posts: 95 | From: Europa | Registered: Mar 2018
| IP: Logged |
posted
Winged Sphinx, Darius palace, coloured glazed tiles,
The Palace of Darius in Susa was a palace complex in Susa, Iran, a capital of the Achaemenid Empire. The Achaemenid Empire ( c. 550–330 BC), also called the First Persian Empire, was an empire based in Western Asia, founded by Cyrus the Great
_______________________________
It is reasonable to assume the Persians of the first Persian empire had skin color like this
Posts: 42918 | From: , | Registered: Jan 2010
| IP: Logged |
Im so glad you were not present when Khusrau, this fucking racist , commanded to kill all black people in Ethiopia.
Im so glad the arabs finally crushed the saasanians and the Byzantines had some timne to chill
It obviously wasn't accomplished very well. Since we are here to review it and fulfill the prophecies given by the most High.
quote: which suggested that the African ancestry in West Eurasians is at least as closely related to East Africans (e.g. Hapmap3 Luhya (LWK)) as to West Africans (e.g. Nigerian Yoruba (YRI)) (the same analyses show that there is no evidence of relatedness to Chadic populations like Bulala) (Text S5 and Figure S12).
-- Moorjani et al. 2011 The History of African Gene Flow into Southern Europeans, Levantines, and Jews
Posts: 22234 | From: האם אינכם כילדי הכרית אלי בני ישראל | Registered: Nov 2010
| IP: Logged |
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: Winged Sphinx, Darius palace, coloured glazed tiles,
The Palace of Darius in Susa was a palace complex in Susa, Iran, a capital of the Achaemenid Empire. The Achaemenid Empire ( c. 550–330 BC), also called the First Persian Empire, was an empire based in Western Asia, founded by Cyrus the Great
_______________________________
It is reasonable to assume the Persians of the first Persian empire had skin color like this
It's not a reasonable assumption, it's a fact. The clown has confirmed that they have fought these people and tried to kill them off. The clown still doesn't get it. It's just terrible. All it does is support what we have been writing here on Egyptsearch for so long
Posts: 22234 | From: האם אינכם כילדי הכרית אלי בני ישראל | Registered: Nov 2010
| IP: Logged |
1) The persians when entering the Iranian Plateau from central Asia, met the dark skinned Elamites. The indo european iranic tribes (medes, persians) encountered highly developed native cultures (Elamites, Assyrians) and eventually mixed with them. 2) Those were the achaemenid elites: Pharnabazos, Achaemenid Satrap, 400 BC
Spithridates, Achaemenid Satrap 330 BC
Autophradates I, Achaemenid naval Commander
Baydad, first persian satrap in seleucid Iran 3) this is a typical sasanian lady braided hair , the typcial flaoting ribbons 4) The tomb in Tatarli Tumlus was destroyed but peices with the original colour were still visible. 5) the alexander Sarcoophagus is COMPLETELY intact and shows traces of the original colour. with the help of UV/Vis sepctrometry the colours weren completely revelead. 6) The mural in the Ajanata caves shows a sasanian Embassy. Still the ORIGINAL colours Sasanian murals in Kuh i khwaja 400 AD, Iran:
Alexander sarcophargus showing Greeks fighting Persians, 325BC ( colours revealed by UV/Vis spectrometry
Posts: 95 | From: Europa | Registered: Mar 2018
| IP: Logged |
quote:Originally posted by Nevermore: thank you for your statement Lioness.
1) The persians when entering the Iranian Plateau from central Asia, met the dark skinned Elamites. The indo european iranic tribes (medes, persians) encountered highly developed native cultures (Elamites, Assyrians) and eventually mixed with them. 2) Those were the achaemenid elites: Pharnabazos, Achaemenid Satrap, 400 BC
quote:Originally posted by Nevermore: [QB] thank you for your statement Lioness.
1) The persians when entering the Iranian Plateau from central Asia, met the dark skinned Elamites. The indo european iranic tribes (medes, persians) encountered highly developed native cultures (Elamites, Assyrians) and eventually mixed with them. 2) Those were the achaemenid elites: Pharnabazos, Achaemenid Satrap, 400 BC
PERSIANS AND MEDES, detail of the processional frieze on the east side of the terrace of the apadana palace, Persepolis, Iran
The Achaemenid Empire ( c. 550–330 BC) , the golden age of Persia
At this time we also see the curly hair prominent. Where is the proof that the Medes and Persians did not have this skin color prior to Elamites>
^ If Persians were this color at this time for whatever reason, that means much later Persians would have been due to later admixture from lighter skinned peoples coming in
Posts: 42918 | From: , | Registered: Jan 2010
| IP: Logged |
posted
Yeah, THis is the accepted theory about Indo European Migration. Accepted by all leading Scientists. And taught EVERYWHERE in every University (emphasis on UNIVERSITY)
__________________________________________
images over sized for the forum have been deleted, please re-size
-lioness
[ 15. April 2018, 12:36 PM: Message edited by: the lioness, ]
Posts: 95 | From: Europa | Registered: Mar 2018
| IP: Logged |
posted
Yes thank u. as you can see no curly beard or hair and white arms and the hair is Dark brown (hair colour almost didnt fade so why should have the colour of the arms faded?)
Plus with UV/Vis Spectrometry its possible too reveal the true colours as each colour has a different wavelength (in nanometers).
on the alexander sarcophagus dating from 325 BCthe colours were also almost faded. but with this tool the colours were revealed
posted
and also these coins date from the achmaemenid area, depictingf persian satraps who were DIRECTLY related to the achaemneid bloodline Pharnabazos, Achaemenid Satrap, 400 BC
Spithridates, Achaemenid Satrap 330 BC
Autophradates I, Achaemenid naval Commander
Baydad, first persian satrap in seleucid Iran Posts: 95 | From: Europa | Registered: Mar 2018
| IP: Logged |
quote:Originally posted by Nevermore: Yes thank u. as you can see no curly beard
Darius, relief from the Central Relief of the Northern Stairs of the Apadana, Persepolis
that faded Lydian tomb art is trumped by art commissioned by the Persian Emperor himself Darius I and numerous other reliefs at Persepolis
Posts: 42918 | From: , | Registered: Jan 2010
| IP: Logged |
posted
and we know not only the assyrians artificially curled their hair and beard, but also greeks, persians. The influence of babylonian art on persian art http://www.iranicaonline.org/articles/babylonia-ii
and a again. this is a coloured mural of an assyrian. i dont know if u would classifiy this guy to be black.
Posts: 95 | From: Europa | Registered: Mar 2018
| IP: Logged |
How do you know the straight portions are not artificially straightened?
This could be loose curls Would guards be sitting for hours while somebody curled their hair and beards for hours?
Winged Sphinx, Darius palace, coloured glazed tiles,
So suppose the Persians of the first Persian empire had skin color liked that winged Sphinx and curly hair, most of them at Persepolis have very thin lips and these sharp curved noses, big full beards
It's hard to correlate all of these traits in one to modern populations. They don't look like African or Europeans to me
Posts: 42918 | From: , | Registered: Jan 2010
| IP: Logged |
5) does this Look Like a natural beard to you? He has straight hair too.
[IMG]https://thumbs.dreamstime.com/b/assyrian-art-relief-11245107.jpg[/IMG 6) here is a coloured mural of an Assyrians human ( Not Sphinx) 9)Here are persians with true persian blood without artficially curled hair Pharnabazos, Achaemenid Satrap, 400 BC
Spithridates, Achaemenid Satrap 330 BC
Autophradates I, Achaemenid naval Commander
Baydad, first persian satrap in seleucid Iran Posts: 95 | From: Europa | Registered: Mar 2018
| IP: Logged |
6) here is a coloured mural of an Assyrians human ( Not Sphinx)
You're doing a lot of cherry picking now and switching between Assyrians and Persians
same source here, Fresco (Mid 8th BCE) From Achmar (Tel Barsib/Kaz Salmanassar)
Both images, black curly hair, you're in denial Also in the Frieze of the Archers, scholars are not sure those are Elamites not Persians solely based on the headband
Posts: 42918 | From: , | Registered: Jan 2010
| IP: Logged |
posted
Im switching to Show you COLOURED prove of HUMANS. Please also Show me coloured Art of persians (Not Elamites) or Assyrians depicting Humans.
1) an Assyrian Human with straight hair and artficially curled beard. SKIN NOT COLOURED
2) here is COLOURED mural of an Assyrian human ( Not Sphinx, Not black)
3)Here are persians with true persian blood without artficially curled hair Pharnabazos, Achaemenid Satrap, 400 BC Not COLOURED
Spithridates, Achaemenid Satrap 330 BC
Autophradates I, Achaemenid naval Commander
Baydad, first persian satrap in seleucid Iran 4) Here is a COLOURED mural of an persian nobleman and a persian horseman. The noblemsn has No no curled beard Posts: 95 | From: Europa | Registered: Mar 2018
| IP: Logged |
posted
Btw. In the shield of that persian you can See the famous Scene originally depicted in Persepolis. Dark beards, light faces. The Colours are revealed by UV Vis spectrometry. Posts: 95 | From: Europa | Registered: Mar 2018
| IP: Logged |
Tukuler
multidisciplinary Black Scholar
Member # 19944
posted
Karueein University introduced in Africa 859 CE. Sankore University established in West Africa 13th Cent. Marien Ngouabi University of Congo founded 1971.
This is not a rhetorical question Nevermore. Why would it take >900 years for Congo to have a university?
.
quote:Originally posted by Nevermore: @ISH GABOR
quote: I was never a refugee. So I don't know what the hell you are talking about. Oh wait, you're a uneducated
I just told you i hold a masters degree from an european technical University. What education do u have? Maybe you dont know the word "University". Its a "school" for adults. Introduced in Europe in 1089 AD.Introduced in congo [sic]: maybe the next Millenium.
So on which continent did you Go to school, If U did?
So If you are No refugee, Then what are you Doing in a non-african Country?
Hmmm when you pull curly hair or comb it out it stretches and the tip becomes straightened.
Your artificial claim was just another desperate attempt to alter facts. And how are going to post studies like these, when you beraly understand English. That makes no sense / it’s nonsense!
Posts: 22234 | From: האם אינכם כילדי הכרית אלי בני ישראל | Registered: Nov 2010
| IP: Logged |
UBBFriend: Email this page to someone!
![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
![[Eek!]](eek.gif)
![[Roll Eyes]](rolleyes.gif)
![[Wink]](wink.gif)
Printer-friendly view of this topic