question for clyde? niger-congo talk is always placed as conjugating their pronouns when using verbs ex. m na-eri nri-i am eating (igbo), where the short m sound stands for the pronoun mu or it's emphatic form munwa(myself) ebonics around my way have contractual emphasis such as in future tense first person singular the word ama is used as in amago tda sto(i will go to the store) i attach ama with the verb go because that is how it is heared. past tense would be ibin went tda sto(i have went to the store} which is modernized and influenced because of the usage of went while west indians and coastal west africans keep the original form [b]migo tda sto[b/] where the meaning can be present or past . this is the same with ancient mdu ntr ex. sdm=f he hears but can be used also for heared in the past except when the past needs top be stressed then it would be sdm.n=f placing na in front of the contracted f. if going to the store needs to be stressed in the past then done is put in front of the verb like midungo tda sto (i have already left for the store.) in arabic zhahabtu ile mhal where tu is representative of I attached to zhahab however they dont say that arabic or other semitic languages contract their pronouns but in actuality that is what they stand for.
quote:Originally posted by Serpent Wizdom we aren't egyptian. i do believe that everyone who is african and african descent can be proud of that great african kingdom. we aa's have geneology from all over africa.
One can understand why you self-describe youself as ...
Can you not see the very contradiction in your post?
"African Americans have genealogy from all over Africa (but) we aren't Egyptian."
is the same contradiction as, for example,
"European Americans have genealogy from all over Europe (but) we aren't Irish."
Which is to say:
"European Americans have genealogy from all over Europe except from Ireland."
...
how the hell are you getting indignant because i am asking questions?
europeans usually can pinpoint their lineage which won't neccessarily be irish in origin but then again the french came from germanic tribes but they are not considered german even though that is their origin. so in a way you are correct but not to the point you are taking it.
being african descent does not mean we can claim being somali.
you have provided some excellent info here. please don't embarrass yourself!!
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Most confused individuals seem to want to put Africans into neat little rigid compartments as if Africans (indeed all humans) are not a mobile group of peoples, rather than accept the historical reality that western Africans have moved to the east; eastern Africans have moved both westward and southward. The Ancient Egyptians originated, like most Africans, in the regions of the Great Lakes; how did they end up so far north? The Batutsi of Rwanda and Burundi did not always inhabit those territories. When the Europeans began to settle in the area of south Africa, the Bantu migrations were still pushing southwards...
This approach to African history; of stagnant ethnicites, and of non-migrations is not only simplistic and immature, it is completely wrong. Human civilization is one continuous and collective historical process, where no one people, in isolation, creates a culture, unaware of the knowledge developed by others.
If I were engaged in a paternity suit and I wanted to determine whether or not the child was mine, I would demand a DNA test. But, there is NO DNA test that can tell me the extent and the individuality of all of my African (and non-African) ancestors:
Prior to DNA, blood tests were a less reliable indicator of parantage, but useful. Blood tests also showed that West Africans and Upper Egyptians had the same blood types; but neither blood tests nor DNA can tell me, or anyone else the various peoples that came together to generate me!
If I were to trace my ancestry to "Kunta Kente" in the region that is now within the country of Senegal, I would not be so naive as to believe that he is my "Adam" but merely only one of them; this reality/objective truth seems to go over a lot of folks' head...
African Americans are related to the Ancient Egyptians by way of migrations of Africans from the Nile valley, the slave trade which served to combine these various groups, who were already pretty much combined, and who became African-Americans. This lineage is both historical and genetic.Posts: 3344 | From: Berkeley | Registered: Oct 2003
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quote:Originally posted by Wally: Most confused individuals seem to want to put Africans into neat little rigid compartments as if Africans (indeed all humans) are not a mobile group of peoples, rather than accept the historical reality that western Africans have moved to the east; eastern Africans have moved both westward and southward. The Ancient Egyptians originated, like most Africans, in the regions of the Great Lakes; how did they end up so far north? The Batutsi of Rwanda and Burundi did not always inhabit those territories. When the Europeans began to settle in the area of south Africa, the Bantu migrations were still pushing southwards...
This approach to African history; of stagnant ethnicites, and of non-migrations is not only simplistic and immature, it is completely wrong. Human civilization is one continuous and collective historical process, where no one people, in isolation, creates a culture, unaware of the knowledge developed by others.
If I were engaged in a paternity suit and I wanted to determine whether or not the child was mine, I would demand a DNA test. But, there is NO DNA test that can tell me the extent and the individuality of all of my African (and non-African) ancestors:
Prior to DNA, blood tests were a less reliable indicator of parantage, but useful. Blood tests also showed that West Africans and Upper Egyptians had the same blood types; but neither blood tests nor DNA can tell me, or anyone else the various peoples that came together to generate me!
If I were to trace my ancestry to "Kunta Kente" in the region that is now within the country of Senegal, I would not be so naive as to believe that he is my "Adam" but merely only one of them; this reality/objective truth seems to go over a lot of folks' head...
African Americans are related to the Ancient Egyptians by way of migrations of Africans from the Nile valley, the slave trade which served to combine these various groups, who were already pretty much combined, and who became African-Americans. This lineage is both historical and genetic.
by this post one would assume that everyone in africa would be related to ancient kemetic peoples. so what would make us so special to represent them?
and would we be more closely related to the ancient kemite then the people who reside in east africa today, such as the eritrean, nubian, ethio, somali?
west africans don't go around claiming descent from ancient egyptians like you are here.
africa had many civilizations, why is egypt so special to you that you want to claim some kind of direct lineal descent from them?
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Wally wrote: ---------------------------------- African Americans are related to the Ancient Egyptians by way of migrations of Africans from the Nile valley, the slave trade which served to combine these various groups ----------------------------------
Your opinionative conclusion is quite juvenile.
1. What evidence do you have that the Ancient Egyptians migrated to what "you" call "west Africa"?
2. What is your definition of "west" Africa? Does it include any or all of the following countries: Algeria, Morocco, Mauritania, Mali?
3. From your statement you seem to believe the only place slaves were obtained from is what "you" call "west Africa". Why would that be? Weren't ships sailing all around the world by at the latest the 1700s?
We are all looking forward to see if either you run away from these simple questions or behave like someone who considers themself a true intellect and scholar, and answer the above simple questions.
quote:Originally posted by Serpent Wizdom: ...by this post one would assume that everyone in africa would be related to ancient kemetic peoples. so what would make us so special to represent them?
and would we be more closely related to the ancient kemite then the people who reside in east africa today, such as the eritrean, nubian, ethio, somali?
west africans don't go around claiming descent from ancient egyptians like you are here.
africa had many civilizations, why is egypt so special to you that you want to claim some kind of direct lineal descent from them?
You are essentially having a debate with yourself...now, take a deep breath, then grab a cup of coffee, then:
Start at the beginning of this topic (page 1) and carefully read the points that I have elaborated on the subject...you may, and probably should avoid the off topic interruptions interspersed here and there...just follow the flow of my documented arguments; then tell me what you think...
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quote: by this post one would assume that everyone in africa would be related to ancient kemetic peoples. so what would make us so special to represent them?
and would we be more closely related to the ancient kemite then the people who reside in east africa today, such as the eritrean, nubian, ethio, somali?
Clarify what you mean when you say us and we.
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I would offer you the same advice that I gave to Serpent Wizdom, except unlike Serpent Wisdom who I think is intelligent, you are an idiot and would not benefit from it...
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quote: and would we be more closely related to the ancient kemite then the people who reside in east africa today, such as the eritrean, nubian, ethio, somali?
Again who is "we"?
What is a "nubian"? Was there ever an ancient nation called "Nubia"? If not, then why are you using that terminology as if it were valid?
Why do you keep saying that eritreans, modern day ethiopians, somalis are more related to the Ancient Egyptians than the indigenous population of modern day Egypt, as well as Sudan and Libya?
Its bizarre that you persist on doing such a thing even when told how untruthful it is. Is it because you cannot let go of eyeball anthropology? If so, why do you continue to want us to take you seriously? Eyeball anthropology is used mostly by adle brained entertainment flunkies.
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Wally crayoned: ----------------------------------- I would offer you the same advice that I gave to Serpent Wizdom, except unlike Serpent Wisdom who I think is intelligent, you are an idiot and would not benefit from it... -----------------------------------
In other words you are just like the typical peabrained race troll. You can't back up anything you say when questioned. You think you can go around masquerading your opinions as facts and then whine like a child when someone calls you out on it.
People, Wally has once again proven that he is no scholar and should not be taken seriously.
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The north western slave port at Goree Island, Senegal was only one of several points of departure for Africans being taken to the United States. There were other points as well, stretching as far southward as the present state of Angola. These ports of departure were used for transporting Africans from the African interior - a vast interior; this was the standard method of European colonialism to move African resources from the interior to the ports, where roads and rail routes were built expressly for this purpose. The West African slave ports were merely ports of convenience for the Atlantic Slave Trade, but Africans brought and sold slaves from as far afield as Tanzania, Mozambique...
The ethnic origin of African Americans includes, but is not limited to, the following African peoples:
Northwest Africa to the Gulf of Guinea; Mossi, Senufo, Mande, Fulani, Toubou, Fulbe, Sara, Moussei, Massa, Wolof, Akan, Ewe, Mandinga, Songhai, Tuareg, Moor, Hausa, Yoruba, Ibo, Kanuri, Ibibio, Tiv, Ijaw...
In everything, there is both positive as well as negative elements. One of the positive elements of the African slave trade to the United States, was that it created the first contemporary Pan-African ethnic group; a group with a common language and culture and separated only by class distinctions.
African Americans have the unique distinction of being historically-genetically related to a vast majority of African ethnic-linguistic groups. In this sense, the African American identification to all African cultures is not merely a philosophical one, as in the case of a European Swede identifying with a European ancient Greece; The African Americans' identification with all African cultures, including and especially, the ancient Nile valley cultures, is both historically and genetically authentic and valid.
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quote:Originally posted by argyle104: Serpent Wizdom wrote:
quote: and would we be more closely related to the ancient kemite then the people who reside in east africa today, such as the eritrean, nubian, ethio, somali?
Again who is "we"?
What is a "nubian"? Was there ever an ancient nation called "Nubia"? If not, then why are you using that terminology as if it were valid?
Why do you keep saying that eritreans, modern day ethiopians, somalis are more related to the Ancient Egyptians than the indigenous population of modern day Egypt, as well as Sudan and Libya?
Its bizarre that you persist on doing such a thing even when told how untruthful it is. Is it because you cannot let go of eyeball anthropology? If so, why do you continue to want us to take you seriously? Eyeball anthropology is used mostly by adle brained entertainment flunkies.
you must be egyptian, north sudanese or libyan.
ok.
i'll add southern sudanese, southern egyptians...don't know about libyans..
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Anyone who walks the streets of America and who observe the African Americans whom they pass must at least subconsciously see the historical reality of the Ancient Egyptian Civilization; they must certainly sublimely see individuals who look like the "Bantu" Great sphinx, or the "Beja" Queen Hatshepsut, or the "Masai" Tutankhamen...
The greatness and genius of Ancient Egypt was that it was a Pan-African Civilization, the most nearly perfect one created by man to this date. The Ancient Egyptians, like the African Americans, were a mix of ALL of these African ethnicities...
...and the realization of the African Americans' genealogical/historical descent from the Nile Valley isn't a narrowly confined focus or an either-or concept:
a) African Americans are also descendants of the Kushite Civilization
b) African Americans are also descendants of the great Civilizations of Ancient Ghana, Mali, Songhai...
c) African Americans are also descendants of the Kongo Civilization...
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^^Correct. This is why Europeans fight so hard to deny that Afro-Americans have a ancient history and direct us toward study of slavery.
They want us to make slavery a frame of reference because this period we were totally under their control. They teach the myth Europeans have been the civilizers of the world --when in reality their civilizations were invented by Blacks .
They knew this all along but they were able to make themselves a world in which they were the supreme race until Afro-Americans became free, learned foriegn languages and could write. Thusly, by the end of the 19th Century we knew that Egypt and the Civilizations in Mesopotamia and Iran were founded by African Blacks.
So Europeans became desperate to hide the true history of the world--since they have no ancient history except Greece and Rome, which were founded by Blacks. This is why trolls come to ES to attempt to fight the truth,
This is also why some people hate this thread. While most Europeans have no direct relationship to Greece and Rome, Afro-Americans have direct descent from the Egyptians. This angers Europeans who are jealous of our great past and desire us to hate ourselves .
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quote:Originally posted by Wally: Anyone who walks the streets of America and who observe the African Americans whom they pass must at least subconsciously see the historical reality of the Ancient Egyptian Civilization; they must certainly subliminally see individuals who look like the "Bantu" Great sphinx, or the "Beja" Queen Hatshepsut, or the "Masai" Tutankhamen...
The greatness and genius of Ancient Egypt was that it was a Pan-African Civilization, the most nearly perfect one created by man to this date. The Ancient Egyptians, like the African Americans, were a mix of ALL of these African ethnicities...
...and the realization of the African Americans' genealogical/historical descent from the Nile Valley isn't a narrowly confined focus or an either-or concept:
a) African Americans are also descendants of the Kushite Civilization
b) African Americans are also descendants of the great Civilizations of Ancient Ghana, Mali, Songhai...
c) African Americans are also descendants of the Kongo Civilization...
All of these realities are due to the processes of African history, from the far reaches of African antiquity to the modern era...
Originally posted by Clyde Winters:
quote: ^^Correct. This is why Europeans fight so hard to deny that Afro-Americans have a ancient history and direct us toward study of slavery.
They want us to make slavery a frame of reference because this period we were totally under their control. They teach the myth Europeans have been the civilizers of the world --when in reality their civilizations were invented by Blacks .
They knew this all along but they were able to make themselves a world in which they were the supreme race until Afro-Americans became free, learned foriegn languages and could write. Thusly, by the end of the 19th Century we knew that Egypt and the Civilizations in Mesopotamia and Iran were founded by African Blacks.
So Europeans became desperate to hide the true history of the world--since they have no ancient history except Greece and Rome, which were founded by Blacks. This is why trolls come to ES to attempt to fight the truth,
This is also why some people hate this thread. While most Europeans have no direct relationship to Greece and Rome, Afro-Americans have direct descent from the Egyptians. This angers Europeans who are jealous of our great past and desire us to hate ourselves.
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Upon his visit to Egypt, President Obama came face to face with the Mdu Ntr glyph for "face" or "ho/kho" in Mdu Ntr, to which the President exclaimed "That looks like me! Look at those ears!" ...yeah, and the nose, and the mouth, and the face...
They say that everyone has a twin look-a-like somewhere; in any event, this little Upper Egyptian girl is a "clone" of a close blood relative of mine! ...swear to God
Trikhanus (1981) found Egyptians (limb ratios) to plot closest to tropical Africans and not Mediterranean Europeans residing in a roughly similar climatic area. A more recent study compared ancient Egyptian osteology to that of African-Americans and White Americans, and found that the stature of the Ancient Egyptians was more similar to the stature of African-Americans, although it was not identical. -- from "Population history of Egypt"Posts: 3344 | From: Berkeley | Registered: Oct 2003
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Trikhanus (1981) found Egyptians (limb ratios) to plot closest to tropical Africans and not Mediterranean Europeans residing in a roughly similar climatic area. A more recent study compared ancient Egyptian osteology to that of African-Americans and White Americans, and found that the stature of the Ancient Egyptians was more similar to the stature of African-Americans, although it was not identical. -- from "Population history of Egypt"
That is very true, when looking at Egyptian statuary, I myself often marvel at how African American they look.
But that is to be expected when you consider the function of the two civilizations.
In ancient times, Egypt was the center of the Black world, with people from every country as part of the mix. As always there were admixture, producing offspring with elements from every contributing phenotype. The United States performs that same function in modern times.
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Deliberate hair-straightening; the conk and the jheri curl
The Conk, which "originated" in the 1920s, was an attempt by Black men to straighten their hair to make it look like that of White men.
The primary ingredients used to straighten or relax the hair are:
Sodium hydroxide (the conk) and Ammonium thioglycolate(the jheri curl). These chemical agents work against moisture, or in other words they dry the hair structure to the degree that it relaxes and the woolly hair looses its natural tendency to curl. This chemically straightened hair also cannot be reverted back to its original natural state. The only way to get rid of a conk is to allow it to grow out.
The primary process of embalming the corpse was the 'natron bath' wherein the corpse was completely covered in dry natron for a period of forty days. The chemical ingredients in natron are:
Sodium carbonate; bicarbonate; sodium sulphate; and chloride. These chemical agents work against moisture, in fact, it was used to 'dry out' the body. (Kinda like making beef jerky.)
This, I think, is why you find all these straight haired prognathous Negro mummies.
Its more 'conk' than conspiracy.
quote:...the substance in the embalming material has been known to straighten hair,and over time mummy hair loses elasticity that hold hair into place. Still there are Nubians and modern Upper Egyptians with a wavy type hair that is not straight but is actually very thick. Europeans have wavy hair that is very thin and has a more rounded folice as opposed to people of African descent. - Ausar
Ancient Egyptian mummies were, inadvertently, submitted to a form of 'conking' and/or Jheri curl!
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The Diola (Jola) - another African American ancestral branch:
The Diola form 9% of the population of Senegal. Some oral sources (Griots) contend that the Diola originated in Egypt and traveled across North Africa in c1000 B.C., settling in the Niger wetlands. Drought and wars later forced them south. As a minority group, and fair game for capture, they fled to the marshes and swamps of the Casamance during the slave trade era, thus becoming the earliest settlers south of the Gambia River. As compared with other ethnic groups, their society is very non-hierarchical and egalitarian, with no inferior castes or races. Although many Diolas converted to Christianity, and despite some recent important inroads made by Islam, their traditional religious beliefs still greatly influence them. Their principal economic activity has been the cultivation of rice (highly female labor-intensive). Palm wine production is another major economic activity.
Diola women harvesting rice
...and on to America...
The ethnic groups that suffered the most directly from the Atlantic slave trade were those living along the coastal areas of the river Gambia and the river Cassamance, and these are the Manjagos, the Balantas, the Papels and the Diolas...
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quote: "The most extensive pan-African haplotype (16189 16192 16223 16278 16294 16309 16390) is in the L2a1 haplogroup. This sequence is observed in West Africa among the Malinke, Wolof, and others; in North Africa among the Maure, Hausa, Fulbe, and others; in Central Africa among the Bamileke, Fali, and others; in South Africa among the Khoisan family including the Khwe and Bantu speakers; and in East Africa among the Kikuyu. Closely related variants are observed among the Tuareg in North and West Africa and among the East African Dinka and Somali."
(-- Bert Ely , Jamie Lee Wilson , Fatimah Jackson and Bruce A Jackson. (2006). AFRICAN-AMERICAN MITOCHONDRIAL DNAs OFTEN MATCH mtDNAs FOUND IN MULTIPLE AFRICAN ETHNIC GROUPS.- BMC Biology 2006, 4:34)
African Americans have the unique distinction of being historically-genetically related to a vast majority of African ethnic-linguistic groups. In this sense, the African American identification to all African cultures is not merely a philosophical one, as in the case of a European Swede identifying with a European ancient Greece; The African Americans' identification with all African cultures, including and especially, the ancient Nile valley cultures, is both historically and genetically authentic and valid.
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...journeying backwards from America to the African slave ports to Ancient Egypt to the Ancient Sudan...
P won.t (aka Punt, Ethaosh, ...; pwonou, pwontiu)
Note here the meaning of this word ("p" is the article "the" ; "won" = "beginning" and the feminine "t" which makes the word a feminine noun) is "The Original country" - i.e., "country from which we came"
On January 27, 28 and 29, 2003, Egyptian police conducted raids of Sudanese, Liberian and sub-Saharan African residences in the Maadi area. Detainees, including those with refugee cards, reported ill treatment, beatings and abuse. One detainee reported-
I was taken into a police wagon on the street. They drove around to collect other black people. They would ask Egyptians on the street, "Where are the buildings where blacks live?" It was about one hour driving around like this. By the end there were ten or twelve Africans in the car." HRW
Other detainees alleged that police referred to the raids as "Black Day" and that police intake sheets were labeled, "Operation Track Down Blacks."
There are tens of thousands of Sudanese refugees in Egypt, most of them seeking refuge from ongoing military conflicts in their home country of Sudan. Their official status as refugees is highly disputed, and they have been subject to racial discrimination and police violence. They live among a much larger population of Sudanese migrants in Egypt, more than two million people of Sudanese nationality (by most estimates; a full range is 750,000 to 4 million (FMRS 2006:5) who live in Egypt. The U.S. Committee for Refugees and Immigrants believes many more of these migrants are in fact refugees, but see little benefit in seeking recognition.
Egypt employs a "shoot to stop" policy against refugees attempting to continue to Israel. According to Human Rights Watch, over 50 refugees, including women and children, have been shot by Egyptian border guards since 2007.[1][2]
The violent destabilization and economic collapse caused by the immense amount of death and destruction in Sudan has forced millions of civilians to flee their homes and cities.[3] Many refugees currently residing in Egypt escaped from the Second Sudanese Civil War, where war "pitted black African separatists" and "Christians" against a "Sudanese government run by Muslim, Arabic-speaking northerners who had tried to impose Islamic law on the country." 1 in 5 Sudanese were killed in the war, and over 4 million civilians in the South have been given Internally Displaced Persons status. [4] The majority of these IDPs are attempting to resettle outside of the country, but efforts have produced minimal results.
In January of 2004, Egyptian politicians wrote legislation for a Four Freedoms Agreement, which would grant both Sudanese and Egyptians the freedom of movement, residence, ownership and work in either country. It would allow Sudanese nationals to live indefinitely in Egypt while no longer having to seek refugee status to remain in the country. The agreement would not enable Sudanese refugees to benefit from educational, medical, or social benefits entitled to native citizens. However, as of 2009, the agreement has yet to be ratified by the Egyptian government. [5]
Refugees in Egypt experience discrimination by both the government and civilian services. A series of laws passed by parliament has effectively stalled legal and financial gains for refugees of all nationalities, and the response by the international community has been limited.
Legal employment in Egypt is "virtually" impossible for Sudanese refugees. The 2003 Labor Law and its implementing Ministerial Decree and the 2004 Decree of the Ministry of Manpower and Emigration force all foreigners including refugees to have a permit to work in "gainful" employment. The requirements are reportedly very "stringent," and include assessments of legal status, employer sponsorship, and non-competition with nationals. In 2006, employers have since been required to submit a certificate verifying Sudanese nationals are not carrying AIDS. As a result of these requirements, only a fraction of Sudanese have obtained working permits.
* Forced Migration and Refugee Studies program (FMRS) of the American University in Cairo, A TRAGEDY OF FAILURES AND FALSE EXPECTATIONS: Report on the Events Surrounding the Three-month Sit-in and Forced Removal of Sudanese Refugees in Cairo, SeptemberDecember 2005, June 2006. * Gamal Nkrumah, "The noose tightens," Al-Ahram Weekly, 5-11 January 2006. * U.S. Committee for Refugees and Immigrants (USCRI), World Refugee Survey 2005.
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quote:Originally posted by Fraud_Buster: Ozzy, you said your family identify as "Black" due to social pressure from a racist society, but this woman lives in a fair and just country that does not practice bigotry and accepts people as they are.
"the word black" is an insult to any Egyptian.
We use the word "asmar", "samara", etc. to label people who are darker.
Of course, you could be asmar, yet your complexion could range from Olive/Tan to Dark Brown. It is the polite way to describe people. instead of calling the kettle black.
Fraud_Buster let me just tell you that youre essentially wasting your time. Afrocentrism is a religious cult most of them are quite content with living in a world devoid of reality, so they really couldnt give a damn about facts. I realized a few weeks ago that its essentially a waste of time trying to show them the light of reason. None of the crap espoused on this board is taught as the mainstream, and to me thats the most important thing. Most of them are filled with envy, and racist as hell, all because their ancestors didnt produce anything substantial. And dont be fooled by the few select photos that they upload of AA who supposedly look like Egyptians.
Regarding the Upper Egyptians, this is what the latest DNA evidence has to say on the matter:
Local comparisons between Upper Egyptians were carried out with other ethnic groups in Egypt, based on frequency and molecular data. No differences were observed in comparison with a general Caucasian population from Cairo in any of the nine loci compared or with Egyptian Christians from Cairo Multi-dimensional scaling (MDS) based on pair-wise FST genetic distances of Upper Egyptian and other diverse global populations. OCE, Oceanian; ME, Middle Eastern; NAF, North African; EAS, East Asian; SSA, sub-Saharan African; UEGY, Upper Egyptian; SAS, South Asian; EUR, European. The figure shows that Oceania and American populations are very distant from Upper Egyptians (marked by a grey triangle) and other populations. The Upper Egyptian population is closer to the Middle Eastern, North African, South Asian and European populations than others. (Genetic variation of 15 autosomal STR loci in Upper (Southern) Egyptians, Omran et al 2008.)
Yes so true, the Yorubans, Bantus and Mandenka(SSA)are AA CLOSEST cousins. Idiots will protest, "No Horners or Nubians were compared blah blah...", but of course this will only show the intermediate position of Horn Africans with most over 60% shared DNA ancestry with Eurasians and other Afrasians.
Note the Egyptian and other Afrasian/Eurasian shared ancestry from Behar et al. 2010. Shared colors represent shared Autosomal DNA ancestry. (One individual per one pixel wide line)at K=10 clusters -
ES Gang sign on the 'black' hand side
and on the 'white' hand side for tools
Yo Wally y u bee hatin an misreprasentin on da reel brothas an sistas, take awaay dat Devil Euro DNA an u be got da reel sistas -
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This idiot NonProphet is definitely a Looney toon - his only intent here is to be a distraction; I checked out his profile and not unsurprisingly there is this photo of a fake "Egyptian" statue of "Hemiunu", his Avatar (?)...
quote: The statue's head has been restored, as it had been damaged around its eyes, which originally may have been inlaid with mountan crystals. The statue is one of the many exhibits in the museum in Hildesheim, Germany. http://www.ancient-egypt.org/index.html
quote: The portrait's oblong face with full cheeks and small sharp chin is largely reconstructed. It was probably smashed by thieves in earlier times to remove the inlaid colored stones most likely rock crystal) and gold casings that comprised the statue's eyes. http://artmuseumjournal.com/hemiunu.aspx
One doesn't have to be a sleuth to see clearly what part of the face that has been "reconstructed" and... One can believe in the "tooth fairy" or "the Easter bunny" or that this fake image belonged to the same family (dynasty) of the Great Pyramids builders, such as these...
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It seems that the use of a personal name for God, specifically YHWH, came into practice during the captivities as some of the Israelites adopted this Aramaean deity. The name probably came officially to the Israelite religion when the Edomites joined the Jerusalem Temple about 150 years before Christ. There is evidence that Yahweh had been the Edomite's lord as far back as 1,400 BC. The oldest known appearance of the name YHWH outside the Holy Land was in Egypt about 1,400 BC where it is found on lists with five other sacred names. A Rameses II (1304-1237) list has it 6 times. In an Amon temple of AmenhotepIII (1417-1379 BC) the name is associated with Seir (Edom). Other evidence places it with Syria at 1,400 BC
It is highly likely that Yahwism had its home in Edom/Seir/Paran. Two poems describe Yahweh as coming from this region. We have already cited the text from the Song of Deborah. The other is found in the Blessing of Moses (Deut 33:2):
Yahweh came down from Sinai. For them, behind Seir, it [i.e. the morning star] arose on the horizon, Over Mount Paran it shone forth. For them it came for the mustering at Kadesh, From its zenith as far down as the foothills.
איר פולד אַלע די מענטשן מיט מאַגיש
יאָ איר געווארט אויף שׂטן ס רופן .. '
The Idumean Child Rapists and Pediphiles!!
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No intelligent reply so G has to resort to pulling the sociopolitical race card, altered photos and ad homs. My intent was humor and knowledge. Those DNA studies were shown because the Modern Egyptians are the living descendants of the AE.
Why don't you be honest for a change and come off your high horse and delusional cloud. I thought you were one of the last 'scholars' left, Billy?
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quote:Originally posted by Wally: ...journeying backwards from America to the African slave ports to Ancient Egypt to the Ancient Sudan...
P won.t (aka Punt, Ethaosh, ...; pwonou, pwontiu)
Note here the meaning of this word ("p" is the article "the" ; "won" = "beginning" and the feminine "t" which makes the word a feminine noun) is "The Original country" - i.e., "country from which we came"
quote:Originally posted by Wally: ...journeying backwards from America to the African slave ports to Ancient Egypt to the Ancient Sudan...
P won.t (aka Punt, Ethaosh, ...; pwonou, pwontiu)
Note here the meaning of this word ("p" is the article "the" ; "won" = "beginning" and the feminine "t" which makes the word a feminine noun) is "The Original country" - i.e., "country from which we came"
ounti, oun, ouon (won)
This is a perfect example why many of you people are stagnant and enjoy backwardness. Nobody except the Wally types care about extinct languages, culture and Gods outside the true academic study of Egyptology. But unlike you guys, true Egyptologists are objective realists who don't pretend to be modern day AE. Is it possibly explained by many Niger-Kordofanian groups having no concept/words to describe precision, gradations and past/future events or planning? And or is it self-hatred, resentment and loathing of your ancestors for the selling off to the Euro traders? There was a brain related genetic mutation that possibly occured in North Africa or the Near East so maybe your ancestors missed out.
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quote:This is a perfect example why many of you people are stagnant and enjoy backwardness. Nobody except the Wally types care about extinct languages, culture and Gods outside the true academic study of Egyptology.
And that's your problem the rest of your statement is simply made of straw..for studying dead languages and culture is called studying "HISTORY" the rest is called sociology Finding Kemetian words in AAs language is a ligit area of interest such as Okra?? well see list on other pages.
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following the social voyage of a word - update
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Ancient Egypt: sok - to pound grain (sokh - to strike, beat)
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Wolof: sookha - to pound, remove chaff
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African American: sock - to strike; "sock it to me"
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Ancient Egypt: o ke - correct, right
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Mande : o ke - all right (and) Wolof: wah keh - all correct
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African American (1700s) ok - correct, right
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Ancient Egypt: napy - a lock of Ancient Egyptian hair
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African American: nappy - tightly coiled / curled unaltered hair. Coiled hair in its natural state as found on people of African descent
also:
Ancient Egypt Nab: A braid, knot, or curl, of hair Napy: A braid, knot, or curl, of hair
Wolof: Nab: A braid, knot, or curl, of hair
African Americanism Nappy: A braid, knot, or curl, of hair
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Ancient Egypt: djam (jam) - to throw up the arms or hands in gladness
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African American: jam; "If you can't help tapping rhythms on the table, if you've got music running in your mind, or if you whistle -- not the tune, but the harmonies behind it, then you can jam. "/ jamboree - happy festivities
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Ancient Egypt: bou - to shine, be bright
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African American: boo - boyfriend/girlfriend
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Ancient Egypt: boubou - splendor, magnificent appearance
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African American: booboo - common nickname in the African American community
also,
Ancient Egypt: Bou - to regard with wonder, delight, love Bou.i (My.Bou) = "My love, My admiration", "My delight", "My esteemed (one)"...
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African Americanism: My boo = (see above)
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Ancient Egypt: deg - to see, to look at carefully
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wolof: dega - to understand
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African American: dig - to see, understand ("can you dig it?" - "You dig?")
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Okra is a green pod from the okra plant which, like coffee, originated in Ethiopia
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Ancient Egypt: okre (jkr)
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Igbo: ọ́kụ̀rụ̀
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African American: okra (pronounced 'oh.kree' in Louisiana)
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Ancient Egypt: da - the
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African American: da - the
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...but human vocabulary does not have to necessarily come directly to America by Africans, but can come indirectly...
Ancient Egypt: Baby; Baba, Babe, Baby, Beby - the first-born (son of Osiris)
Greek: The Greeks then adopted this term which became in their language Bebon
Bebon in Greek eventually became Baban in 14 century English.
English - modern
Baban would modify to become Babe, which would be superseded by Baby - representing a dialectical transformation back into its original form!
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Actually an X-staff member and friend of mine pronounce the word Okra exactly as in Kemetian Okre he is from Atlanta his eyes widen when I showed him your example.
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quote:Originally posted by Brada-Anansi: Actually an X-staff member and friend of mine pronounce the word Okra exactly as in Kemetian Okre he is from Atlanta his eyes widen when I showed him your example.
Thanks for your post.
It is extremely important to have independent verification of evidence presented.
Here' another example:
I wrote, "...and my mama would always make sure that clipped nails or cut hair was always flushed down the toilet!"
to which Heru-Tunde responded:
quote: How interesting i'm Yoruba and my mum would tell me the exact same thing, the same thing happens in Yoruba Mythology.
The north western slave port at Goree Island, Senegal was only one of several points of departure for Africans being taken to the United States. There were other points as well, stretching as far southward as the present state of Angola. These ports of departure were used for transporting Africans from the African interior - a vast interior; this was the standard method of European colonialism to move African resources from the interior to the ports, where roads and rail routes were built expressly for this purpose. The West African slave ports were merely ports of convenience for the Atlantic Slave Trade, but Africans brought and sold slaves from as far afield as Tanzania, Mozambique...
African slaves were a commodity, just like cocoa, ivory, gold, bauxite, which Africans sold to the Europeans, Arabs...
Like all commodities, it was necessary and efficient to transport these commodities from the interior to coastal ports for exportation. The Europeans, for example, did not just saunter in and cherry pick these commodities at will nor were they able to do so, if so inclined...
The East African ports in Mozambique were a source of African slaves not only from Kenya but from the entire east and central African territory...
The ethnic origin of African Americans includes, but is not limited to, the following African peoples:
Northwest Africa to the Gulf of Guinea; Mossi, Senufo, Mande, Fulani, Toubou, Fulbe, Sara, Moussei, Massa, Wolof, Akan, Ewe, Mandinga, Songhai, Tuareg, Moor, Hausa, Yoruba, Ibo, Kanuri, Ibibio, Tiv, Ijaw...
Some African American ancestors: Hausa, Fulani, Igbo, Berber, Tuareg, Tukulor, Wolof, Yoruba, Moor
In everything, there is both positive as well as negative elements. One of the positive elements of the African slave trade to the United States, was that it created the first contemporary Pan-African ethnic group; a group with a common language and culture and separated only by class distinctions.
African Americans have the unique distinction of being historically-genetically related to a vast majority of African ethnic-linguistic groups. In this sense, the African American identification to all African cultures is not merely a philosophical one, as in the case of a European Swede identifying with a European ancient Greece; The African Americans' identification with all African cultures, including and especially, the ancient Nile valley cultures, is both historically and genetically authentic and valid.
Anyone who walks the streets of America and who observe the African Americans whom they pass must at least subconsciously see the historical reality of the Ancient Egyptian Civilization; they must certainly subliminally see individuals who look like the "Bantu" Great sphinx, or the "Beja" Queen Hatshepsut, or the "Masai" Tutankhamen...
The greatness and genius of Ancient Egypt was that it was a Pan-African Civilization, the most nearly perfect one created by man to this date. The Ancient Egyptians, like the African Americans, were a mix of ALL of these African ethnicities...
...and the realization of the African Americans' genealogical/historical descent from the Nile Valley isn't a narrowly confined focus or an either-or concept:
a) African Americans are also descendants of the Kushite Civilization
b) African Americans are also descendants of the great Civilizations of Ancient Ghana, Mali, Songhai...
c) African Americans are also descendants of the Kongo Civilization...
All of these realities are due to the processes of African history, from the far reaches of African antiquity to the modern era...Posts: 3344 | From: Berkeley | Registered: Oct 2003
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Wally what is with all of the picture spam?
Its amazing how most of the fools on this forum have nothing better to do than mugshot people and/or creating human zoos.
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Wally wrote: ---------------------------------------- African Americans are also descendants of the great Civilizations of Ancient Ghana, Mali, Songhai... ----------------------------------------
I've got bad news for you Wally. According to the "historians" and their quotes and maps, African Americans are not related to these people.
According to what the "historians" say and the maps they draw, the slaves did not come from Mali, Mauritania, or Niger. No desert blacks came to the Americas. Slaves only came from the coastal jungle terrained areas below the desert.
Wally, your thoughts on what the "historians" say?
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1) Ancient Egypt c2800 bc_______________________ 2, 3, 4, 5, 6) Other African picks
...then on to America
of course, some folks in Ancient Egypt, like the Great Genius Imhotep, had no use for a pick... ImhotepPosts: 3344 | From: Berkeley | Registered: Oct 2003
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