quote:"For too long, social and political commentators have talked and written as though Africa lies outside the main stream of world historical development--a separate entity to which the social, economic and political patterns of the world do not apply. " - Kwame Nkrumah - Class Struggle in Africa
These distortions can be seen everywhere, and on every topic, including even this one:
1) the migrations of European tribes, their formations into ethnic groups and nationalities, are presented matter of factly and calmly accepted as such. i.e., http://www.wsu.edu/~dee/MA/GERMANS.HTM
2) in discussing African migrations, we suddenly shift to some amazing distortions that simply defy common sense and logic -
-- a) 'Egyptians remained in Egypt'; of course the Slavs, Goths, Romans, Angles, Saxons, Greeks, did not remain in their homelands...
--b) 'there is no evidence of a mass exodus from Egypt to West Africa'; now we're in the Bible! and what are described in Europe as migrations, in Africa it suddenly has to become an 'exodus' or of Africans 'fleeing' - Africans, perhaps the most mobile of groups on the planet, can only move from a spot in order 'to flee' an oppression, nee exodus...
3) add nauseum
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Ancient Egypt was a Pan-African state; a collective of African ethnicities who were drawn to this land due to the similar enticements which would lead others to migrate to Rome, to England, and to America...
Ancient Egypt was held together by culture and the unifying lingua franca of the Mdu Ntr...
And like in Ancient Ghana, Songhai...Africans came freely from and left freely to other parts of the Continent; this social pattern exists to this day.
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quote: The African Americans are partially descended from Ancient Egyptians. People from the Nile Region fled that area to escape incoming Assyrian, Greek, Roman and later Arab invaders. Several West African tribes say they came from the East.
We have genetic proof that many from West Central Africa are similar to Nile Valley Africans.
We're all waiting for you to define "west" Africa. What are the nations that make up "west" Africa?
Are Morocco, Algeria, and Tunisi in "west" Africa?
Until you answer the above you have proven yourself to be just another uneducated loon who does nothing but make unscholarly unsubstantiated claims.
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Djehuti aka "Puppy Chow" wrote: --------------------------------- Why can't people accept that the many similarities between Egypt and West Africa are due to COMMON AFRICAN ORIGINS that go back perhaps since the dawn of humanity and but definitely as recent as the wet Sahara. ---------------------------------
Probably because they have the same mentality such as you who has an insatiable desire to equate "west" Africans as slaves.
Its funny how you never back up your emotional claims with any non-racialist facts.
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Its funny how you continue to avoid answering the question that has been asked of you. Its almost as if you are ashamed to admit that you believe in the eurocentric doctrine that only people who are considered "negroid" were slaves.
Which is why you are creating these imbecillic myths about people migrating from Ancient Egypt to so called "west" Africa. Where they became so called "negroid" and were used as slaves.
Damn Wally you need to see a shrink.
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---The Igbo - a part of the African American ancestral tree...
The oral history of the Igbos also traces their origins to Ancient Egypt.
The Igbo people have been in Africa for thousands of years. They seemed to have settled in their current spots a few thousand years ago. There is abundant evidence that shows that the Igbo people originated from Kemet or the environs of Kemet - The Nile Valley...
A POSSIBLE IGBO TOTEMIC NAME ETYMOLOGY...
GBOU
...AS IN GBOU
some other theories on the etymology of 'Igbo'...
quote:There are several theories regarding the etymology of the word Igbo. It is presumed that it has Sudanic origin, derived from the verb gboo.
quote:"Igbo" is commonly presumed to mean "the people." The root -bo is judged to be of Sudanic origin; some scholars think that the word is derived from the verb gboo and therefore has connotations of "to protect," "to shelter," or "to prevent"—hence the notion of a protected people or a community of peace.
My contention is that the names of African emigrants from the Nile Valley Civilizations are derived from their ancient totemic gods and of which they became conceptualized into 'the people':
Example from the Mdu Ntr:
rome - Egyptian men/people
derived from;
rime - tears from the god of creation that resulted in the creation of the rome...
By contrast, the Nahasu- foreign Blacks were the results of the masturbation of Re...
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Igbo accounts of Ancient Egyptian origins from several sources...
"Just like many ancient kingdoms that are now scattered in the Southern part of the Sahara, the Onicha history is rooted in Ancient Egypt. From linguistics, cultural, cosmological, anthropological, pictorial, traditional and spiritual analyses and comparisons, Onicha people and their Yoruba and Edo relatives are from Ancient Egypt, known then to our ancestors as Kemet." --Ugonabo Onwa Amene Esq., Attorney at the International Court of Trade.
"By archeological account, in around 2345BC in Ancient Egypt, "M-Eru-ka (or Eru/Eri)" became a high priest to Pharaoh Teti. Because of this, the Egyptian origin of the Igbo people as many have insisted is also backed by linguistic evidences proving many Ancient Egyptian words survive in the Igbo language today and has led researchers to focus in this area. A small list of Ancient Egyptian words which survive in the Igbo language are as follows:
EGYPTIAN | IGBO (Onitsha and Uburu dialects used)
KAKA(God) | Ka (greater, superior) Khu (to kill, death) | Nwu/Gbu (die/to kill) Em (smell) | Imi/Emi (nose, associated with smell) Bi (to become) | Bu (to become) un (living being) | Ndu (life) Feh (to go away) | Feh (to fly away) Budo (dwelling place) | Obodo/ubudo (country, dwelling place) Dudu (black image of Osiris) | Mmadu (person) Un (living person) | Ulo/Uno (living area, house) Beka (pray/confess) | Biko/Beko (to plead, please) Aru (mouth) | Onu (mouth) & kooh/Kwue (to speak) Dor (settlement) | Dor-Nor (sit down, settle) Ra -Shu (light after darkness) | La -Shu (sleep) Aru (rise) | Anu/Kulie (up, rise) Wu (rise) | KWu-ni/Kunie (rise) In- n (negation) nh-n (negation) Ma (to know) | Ma, Ma-li (to know) Se (to create) | Ke (to create) & Se (to draw) Hoo (rejoice) | Goo, ta-Goo (dance, rejoice) Omijener (deep water) | Ime-me (deep inside) Nen (the primeval water mother) | Nem (mother) Ro (talk) | Kwo (to talk) Penka (divide) Panje (break it) Ala (Land of) | Ala (Land of, ground, boundary) Amu (children) | Umu (children) Ani (ground land below) | Ani (ground land below) Ka (higher) | Ka (greater, higher, stronger, above) Pa (open) | Meghee (open) Isi (leader) | Isi (leader, head (body part), female name as in igbo: "Isioma") Oni (AE City) | Oni-tsha (Igbo City) Ikhenaten (name of a Pharaoh) | Ikh-em (Igbo name for a male representing high power) Au-nu (Crocodile) | Anu/Anu-Ma-nu (animal, beast) Miri (water) | Miri (water) Nahasu (other Blacks) | Ahasi/Ani-hasi (Evening, night) Ak (man) | Ok-a (man) Ehn/Hen (yes, nod head) | Eh (yes, nod head) Paa/Faa (fly) | Feeh/Faa (fly) Utcha (dawn) | Uchi-chi/Utchi-chi(night) MM (among) | Imme (inside, among) W (they) | Uwe (they, them)" --Igbo Community Association of Nigeria
"Fact: Some of the people among the many principalities of Urhobo ethnic group nowadays have a mixture of Ibo people and other groups of Nigerians. For instance; my cultural group of Uvwie, an Urhobo sub-cultural group in our migration journey from Egypt, have settled in Orugbo, in Ondo, settled in Ife, settled in Erohwa, settled in Aboh, settled in Uvwie ro'rho, settled in Evwereni, settled in Patani, settled in Ughelli until we pitched tent in Ekpan, Effurun and their other sister towns. (The Urhobo People, Onigu Otite, 1982). In the process of these movements, we undeniably intermarried with the people we met on the way. Same can be apparently said of the Itsekiri, the Benin , the Ishan, the Ijaw, any other groups in Nigeria in their migrations from Egypt ." --Wilson Ometan, URHOBO-WORLD.ORG
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quote:Originally posted by markellion: Why do people keep talking as if there was not continual contact? Why are people ignoring the long distance interactions?
Nobody said there was no continual contact. In fact Ausar pointed out a well known ancient highway the Egyptians used that stretched not only to Sudan but as far west as Chad and there is evidence of trade further south perhaps in Central Africa and further west in Sahelian West Africa. My question to you, is why does it seem like the Egyptians must have long distance connections to other Africans in order to somehow keep their African identity and roots intact?? The ancient Vietnamese were always Asian long before they had contact with China and the Romans were always European long before they had contact with Nords. Why do you over-emphasize Egypt's contact with other Africans as if that in it of itself is proof of their African nature?
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Kufa also means death in Lingala one of those so called Bantu languages.
Mayi means Water in Lingala Ona means a child in Tetela
It's amazing how we have kept this connection for thousands of years. As someone from Central Africa, my Grandfather used to tell us stories of how their ancestors came from the north. But over the years due to disputes and wars they have migrated and divided into tribes. Keep this thread growing brothers.
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Wally wrote: ---------------------------- More stupidity ----------------------------
So now you are reverting back to the eurocentric propaganda that only the Yoruba and Igbo were slaves from Nigeria.
What about the Hausa and Fulani, Wally?
Its funny when I called you out earlier, you revised your dogshit charts to include them. But only because I called you out on it.
You see folks, Wally knows the propaganda strategy his white masters utilize. Since the Hausa speak an Afro-asiatic language they have to be removed from American slavery. Also, since the Fulani purportedly have a resemblance to the so called "caucasoid" Ancient Egyptians, the Fulani must also be removed from American slavery.
Wally, why are you a slave to eurocentrism?
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I think fahaka/fadaka just means silver. In Yoruba that is.
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quote:Originally posted by argyle104: Red, White, and Blue + Christian wrote:
quote: The African Americans are partially descended from Ancient Egyptians. People from the Nile Region fled that area to escape incoming Assyrian, Greek, Roman and later Arab invaders. Several West African tribes say they came from the East.
We have genetic proof that many from West Central Africa are similar to Nile Valley Africans.
We're all waiting for you to define "west" Africa. What are the nations that make up "west" Africa?
Are Morocco, Algeria, and Tunisi in "west" Africa?
Until you answer the above you have proven yourself to be just another uneducated loon who does nothing but make unscholarly unsubstantiated claims.
We're waiting...........
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West Africa can be defined many ways. I like to think of the members of the ECOWAS states + Chad and Mauritania.
When I say Ancient Egyptians, I mean the Upper Egyptians who are definitely Black. Some of and the Nubians went west in successive waves west. This is basically the theory of Cheik Anta Diop.
The Phoenicians reached West Africa (Senegal/Sierra Leone) about 400 BC. Herodutus gives a description of West Africa also. They saw pygmies in West Africa at that time.
Very black and very tall groups came in later. They are the ancestors of some Wolofs, Mande etc. The Songhay have a tradition of coming from Aswan.
Dr. A. M. Lam follows in Diop's footsteps with:
By the way, this is Dr. A.M. Lam:
He wrote also:
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He again deals with the question of the Nile vs. the Sahara in a book which I did not read yet:
We are more advanced them him because we have DNA evidence. As I said here and in other posts a minority of African American men have the same Y chromosomes found with men along the Nile Valley: These are A, B, E-m35, E-M78, E1b1a*, T(K2), R-M173 etc. They can be found in Hausa, Fulani, and Balanta slave descendants. The M1 mtDNA can be found along the Nile, in Guinea Bissau and in America.
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quote:Originally posted by Kaizen: I think fahaka/fadaka just means silver. In Yoruba that is.
quote:The Fahaka Puffer, also known as the Nile Puffer or Band Puffer, comes from the freshwater lakes and rivers of Africa and can grow to a very large size. The Fahaka is brownish-gray on the back fading to an off-white on the underbelly, with a series of lighter horizontal stripes running from the tail to the pectoral fin.
Archaeologists believe that the people who became the Balanta migrated to present-day Guinea-Bissau in small groups between the tenth and fourteenth century C.E. During the nineteenth century they spread throughout the area that is presently Guinea-Bissau and southern Senegal in order to resist the expansion of the Kaabu kingdom. Oral tradition amongst the Balanta has it that they migrated westward from the area that is now Egypt, Sudan, and Ethiopia to escape drought and wars. Today, the Balanta are mostly found in the south and central regions of Guinea-Bissau.
Re: Balanta people in Guinea-Bissau By:weare <Show E-Mail> Date: 10/13/2008, 11:44 am In Response To: Re: Balanta people in Guinea-Bissau (weare)
In May of 2007, yDNA results were received from African Ancestry for a male cousin who represents my ggrandfather on my mother's side. He is 100% the same as the Balanta people who live in Guinea-Bissau today. The family migrated from Virginia to Natchez, Mississippi. My own yDNA results are 100% the same as the Balanta and Fula people who today live in Guinea-Bissau. The family migrated from South Carolina to Tallahatchie County, Mississippi.
Surprising Results from DNA By:Anita Wills <Show E-Mail> Date: 2/17/2006, 1:47 am
I am posting some information my brother sent regarding his Y- Chromosome DNA test. It is really quite amazing to see how this is unraveling and showing our genetic links. The original DNA test was taken through Howard, and Family Tree DNA expanded on it.
The K2 Haplogroup is dubbed "Eurasian Man," a non-African male who was born with a unique genetic marker know as M9. Eurasian Man lived in the area of Iran or South-Central Asia 40,000 years ago and from him nearly all North American and East Asian males are descended as are most Europeans and many Indians.
This is from our Paternal line, on my Fathers', Fathers side of the family. We now know that the line originated as a Native who resided in South Carolina.
From Wikipedia's T Y chromosome page:
Me: The Fulani share this Y chromosome and traits with Jews, Egyptians, Ethiopians and Indians.
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According to the oral and documented history of the Tikar people, they originated in present-day Sudan. It is believed that when they inhabited Sudan, they lived adjacent to two groups. The first group comprised of iron-makers/blacksmiths and carpenters in the Meroe Kindgom; this group (ancestors of the Mende people) later left the Sudan and moved west towards Lake Chad. They eventually traveled to the Mali Empire, and along with the town Fulani and Mande, founded the Kingdom of Mani. The second group - ancestors of the Fulani - arrived in the Sudan from Egypt and Ethiopia. These cattle and goat herders moved west to Lake Chad near present-day Cameroon, Niger, and Nigeria before traveling across West Africa. It is is believed that when the ancestors of the Tikar were in the Sudan, they lived along the Nile River. There, they developed their cattle grazing, iron-making, horse riding, and fighting skills.
Look at, and study this chart: You will note that only 1 in 4 of John Kennedy's grandparents is, in fact, a Kennedy; if we go to his great grandparents, barring incest, only 1 in 8 is a Kennedy; and this increases exponentially with each subsequent generation (1 in 16,...).
Thus, it is absurd, even folly, for ANY African American to claim 100% descent from a particular African ethnic group, even President Obama can not (he is too intelligent to do so anyway), his mother would also have to be Luo..
DNA research is an extremely important scientific research tool, but a tool is only as good as how it is used...a gun is a tool.
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For an individual to have any real idea of their ancestry all of their cousins and 2nd cousins, and then some, would need to be tested to avoid the parental lineal skew Wally demonstrated.
These mtDNA and nrY chromosome results were designed for population genetics not personal heritage searches.
For instance a male subject's father's father's father's father ad infinitum could be an Irishman and that same person's mother's mother's mother's mother ad infinitum could be a Leni Lenape.
Yet their father's mother's father blah blah blah could be Fulani and their mother's father's mother blah blah blah could be Soninke; and so on for all the non parental skewed lineage.
The result? That male subject would be typically Savannah/Sahel African (aDNA would verify that) but the nrY chromosome and mtDNA report would say he is 50% Euro and 50% AmInd but in reality he's 100% African.
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Everyone is noticing that you are running from a scholarly question. It shouldn't be that hard to answer a basic "Yes" or "No" question.
Are you saying that people who looked like the presidents of Iraq, Libya, Saudi Arabia, Palestine, Lebanon, Turkey, Iran, Syria, Jordan, Algeria, Morocco, Egypt, etc were brought over to the new world as slaves?
You can't obfusicate the question now Wally. Just answer "Yes" or "No".
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According to the oral and documented history of the Tikar people, they originated in present-day Sudan. It is believed that when they inhabited Sudan, they lived adjacent to two groups. The first group comprised of iron-makers/blacksmiths and carpenters in the Meroe Kindgom; this group (ancestors of the Mende people) later left the Sudan and moved west towards Lake Chad. They eventually traveled to the Mali Empire, and along with the town Fulani and Mande, founded the Kingdom of Mani. The second group - ancestors of the Fulani - arrived in the Sudan from Egypt and Ethiopia. These cattle and goat herders moved west to Lake Chad near present-day Cameroon, Niger, and Nigeria before traveling across West Africa. It is is believed that when the ancestors of the Tikar were in the Sudan, they lived along the Nile River. There, they developed their cattle grazing, iron-making, horse riding, and fighting skills.
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An extremely significant contribution, which I shall again repeat, posted by Red, White, and Blue + Christian, regarding the Tikar of Cameroon, who form a component of the African American ancestral tree:
"According to the oral and documented history of the Tikar people, they originated in present-day Sudan. It is believed that when they inhabited Sudan, they lived adjacent to two groups. The first group comprised of iron-makers/blacksmiths and carpenters in the Meroe Kindgom; this group (ancestors of the Mende people) later left the Sudan and moved west towards Lake Chad. They eventually traveled to the Mali Empire, and along with the town Fulani and Mande, founded the Kingdom of Mani. The second group - ancestors of the Fulani - arrived in the Sudan from Egypt and Ethiopia. These cattle and goat herders moved west to Lake Chad near present-day Cameroon, Niger, and Nigeria before traveling across West Africa. It is believed that when the ancestors of the Tikar were in the Sudan, they lived along the Nile River. There, they developed their cattle grazing, iron-making, horse riding, and fighting skills."
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African Americans are the Ancient Egyptians. The proof is in our blood, our genetic make-up.
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Since both West and East Africans are genetically related via the PN2 clade, and since both may have ancestry in the pre-desertification Sahara, I suppose black Americans claiming a fraternal connection to the ancient Egyptians isn't any worse than white Americans and Europeans claiming a common "Western" heritage with the ancient Greeks.
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Truthcentric wrote: ------------------------------ Since both West and East Africans are genetically related via the PN2 clade, and since both may have ancestry in the pre-desertification Sahara, I suppose black Americans claiming a fraternal connection to the ancient Egyptians isn't any worse than white Americans and Europeans claiming a common "Western" heritage with the ancient Greeks. ------------------------------
You're dismissed. Its apparent that scholarship and intellect aren't your strongsuit. You should refrain from posting since your stupidity will continuosly come to the fore.
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...Ugonabo Onwa Amene continues his essay on the Ancient Egyptian Origins of the Igbo, Edos, Yoruba -- ancestors (Ikhu) of the African American:
"Our confusion and rejection of our Egyptian roots is premised upon years and years of colonial mis-education and doctrine that the Egyptian civilization was attributable to Europeans. The imperialist oppressors never taught our history from its remotest past but taught and narrowed the genesis of African history to the colonial era and advent. Most Europeans who made a good effort to conduct research on African history and anthropology, like Professor Richard Henderson, in his “The King in every man” did excellent works but their works were very prejudicially narrowed in time and scope.
None ever attempted to conduct an indepth study to connect our history to the advanced ancient Egyptian roots. This was a deliberate omission, perhaps premised upon the colonial doctrine that “Africa was a race without a past” because it does not take a lot of studies for one to connect Onicha and closely related communities like the Edos and Yorubas to ancient Egypt."
...I think we've assisted this process within this very thread. So, keep posting your contributions! Posts: 3344 | From: Berkeley | Registered: Oct 2003
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quote:Truthcentric wrote: Since both West and East Africans are genetically related via the PN2 clade, and since both may have ancestry in the pre-desertification Sahara, I suppose black Americans claiming a fraternal connection to the ancient Egyptians isn't any worse than white Americans and Europeans claiming a common "Western" heritage with the ancient Greeks.
...You seemed to have missed or have not read a crucial distinction made in the opening post of this topic...
quote:African Americans have the unique distinction of being historically-genetically related to a vast majority of African ethnic-linguistic groups. In this sense, the African American identification to all African cultures is not merely a philosophical one, as in the case of a European Swede identifying with a European ancient Greece; The African Americans' identification with all African cultures, including and especially, the ancient Nile valley cultures, is both historically and genetically authentic and valid.
quote:Originally posted by Wally: Igbo accounts of Ancient Egyptian origins from several sources...
"Just like many ancient kingdoms that are now scattered in the Southern part of the Sahara, the Onicha history is rooted in Ancient Egypt. From linguistics, cultural, cosmological, anthropological, pictorial, traditional and spiritual analyses and comparisons, Onicha people and their Yoruba and Edo relatives are from Ancient Egypt, known then to our ancestors as Kemet." --Ugonabo Onwa Amene Esq., Attorney at the International Court of Trade.
"By archeological account, in around 2345BC in Ancient Egypt, "M-Eru-ka (or Eru/Eri)" became a high priest to Pharaoh Teti. Because of this, the Egyptian origin of the Igbo people as many have insisted is also backed by linguistic evidences proving many Ancient Egyptian words survive in the Igbo language today and has led researchers to focus in this area. A small list of Ancient Egyptian words which survive in the Igbo language are as follows:
EGYPTIAN | IGBO (Onitsha and Uburu dialects used)
KAKA(God) | Ka (greater, superior) Khu (to kill, death) | Nwu/Gbu (die/to kill) Em (smell) | Imi/Emi (nose, associated with smell) Bi (to become) | Bu (to become) un (living being) | Ndu (life) Feh (to go away) | Feh (to fly away) Budo (dwelling place) | Obodo/ubudo (country, dwelling place) Dudu (black image of Osiris) | Mmadu (person) Un (living person) | Ulo/Uno (living area, house) Beka (pray/confess) | Biko/Beko (to plead, please) Aru (mouth) | Onu (mouth) & kooh/Kwue (to speak) Dor (settlement) | Dor-Nor (sit down, settle) Ra -Shu (light after darkness) | La -Shu (sleep) Aru (rise) | Anu/Kulie (up, rise) Wu (rise) | KWu-ni/Kunie (rise) In- n (negation) nh-n (negation) Ma (to know) | Ma, Ma-li (to know) Se (to create) | Ke (to create) & Se (to draw) Hoo (rejoice) | Goo, ta-Goo (dance, rejoice) Omijener (deep water) | Ime-me (deep inside) Nen (the primeval water mother) | Nem (mother) Ro (talk) | Kwo (to talk) Penka (divide) Panje (break it) Ala (Land of) | Ala (Land of, ground, boundary) Amu (children) | Umu (children) Ani (ground land below) | Ani (ground land below) Ka (higher) | Ka (greater, higher, stronger, above) Pa (open) | Meghee (open) Isi (leader) | Isi (leader, head (body part), female name as in igbo: "Isioma") Oni (AE City) | Oni-tsha (Igbo City) Ikhenaten (name of a Pharaoh) | Ikh-em (Igbo name for a male representing high power) Au-nu (Crocodile) | Anu/Anu-Ma-nu (animal, beast) Miri (water) | Miri (water) Nahasu (other Blacks) | Ahasi/Ani-hasi (Evening, night) Ak (man) | Ok-a (man) Ehn/Hen (yes, nod head) | Eh (yes, nod head) Paa/Faa (fly) | Feeh/Faa (fly) Utcha (dawn) | Uchi-chi/Utchi-chi(night) MM (among) | Imme (inside, among) W (they) | Uwe (they, them)" --Igbo Community Association of Nigeria
"Fact: Some of the people among the many principalities of Urhobo ethnic group nowadays have a mixture of Ibo people and other groups of Nigerians. For instance; my cultural group of Uvwie, an Urhobo sub-cultural group in our migration journey from Egypt, have settled in Orugbo, in Ondo, settled in Ife, settled in Erohwa, settled in Aboh, settled in Uvwie ro'rho, settled in Evwereni, settled in Patani, settled in Ughelli until we pitched tent in Ekpan, Effurun and their other sister towns. (The Urhobo People, Onigu Otite, 1982). In the process of these movements, we undeniably intermarried with the people we met on the way. Same can be apparently said of the Itsekiri, the Benin , the Ishan, the Ijaw, any other groups in Nigeria in their migrations from Egypt ." --Wilson Ometan, URHOBO-WORLD.ORG
There is the theory, and even the strong belief among some Ibo people, that they are descendents of the Hebrews......http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_Nigeria
However, I am not dismissing the cultural connections to AE.
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quote:Israel wrote: There is the theory, and even the strong belief among some Ibo people, that they are descendents of the Hebrews.....However, I am not dismissing the cultural connections to AE.
You, like so many, many people, are confusing race, ethnicity, and religious beliefs...
We encounter this social confusion in our daily lives:
a) "Is he Black (a phenotype) or Puerto Rican (a nationality)?" - so does the 20% of Puerto Ricans who are Black become irrelevant?
b) Muslims, Jews (Hebrews), Baptists, Buddhists, Animists...are a people, only in the sense that they share a commonality of religious doctrine; the Ethiopian Hebrews and the Polish Hebrews are the same people in this regard...
c) The idea that the Igbo claim a descent from a faith is in no way a contradiction to their origins from a nationality...
FYI: Apru - a class of foreign stonemasons, once identified with the Hebrews.
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quote:Originally posted by congoman: Kufa also means death in Lingala one of those so called Bantu languages. (Khu in Mdu Ntr)
Mayi means Water in Lingala (Mu, Miri in Mdu Ntr) Ona means a child in Tetela (Omau in Mdu Ntr)
It's amazing how we have kept this connection for thousands of years. As someone from Central Africa, my Grandfather used to tell us stories of how their ancestors came from the north. But over the years due to disputes and wars they have migrated and divided into tribes. Keep this thread growing brothers.
The Gullah people have a rich storytelling tradition strongly influenced by African oral traditions, but also informed by their historical experience in America. Their stories include animal trickster tales about the antics of "Brer Rabbit", "Brer Fox" and "Brer Bear", "Brer Wolf", etc.; human trickster tales about clever and self-assertive slaves; and morality tales designed to impart moral teaching to children.
.....his is almost identical with Uncle Remus’s story of how the rabbit robbed the fox of his game. In a story from Upper Egypt, a fox lies down in the road in front of a man who is carrying fowls to market, and finally succeeds in securing them.
“I am not prepared to form a theory about these stories. There can be no doubt that some of them, found among the negroes and the Indians, had a common origin. The most natural solution would be to suppose that they originated in Africa, and were carried to South America by the negro slaves......."
“It is interesting to find a story from Upper Egypt (that of the fox who pretended to be dead) identical with an Amazonian story, and strongly resembling one found by you among the negroes. Vambagen, the Brazilian historian (now Visconde de Rio Branco), tried to prove a relationship between the ancient Egyptians,......"
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A Boo Hag is a mythical creature in the folklore of South Carolina's Gullah culture. It is a regionalized version of the Hag myth.
The legend
According to the legend, Boo Hags are similar to vampires. Unlike vampires, they gain sustenance from a person's breath, as opposed to their blood, by "ridin'" you.[1][2][3]
They have no skin, and thus are red. In order to be less conspicuous, they will steal a victim's skin and use it for as long as it holds out, wearing it as one might wear clothing. They will remove and hide this skin before going ridin'.
When a hag determines a victim is suitable for "ridin'", the hag will generally gain access to the home through a small crack, crevice, or hole. The hag will then position themselves over the sleeping victim, sucking their breath. This act renders the victim helpless, and induces a deep dream-filled sleep. The hag tends to leave the victim alive, so as to use them again for their energy. However, if the victim struggles, the hag may take their skin, leaving the victim to suffer. After taking the victim's energy, the hag flies off, as they must be in their skin by dawn or be forever trapped without skin. When the victim awakes, they may feel short of breath, but generally the victim only feels tired.
An expression sometimes used in South Carolina is "don't let de hag ride ya." This expression may come from the Boo Hag legend.
It was also said that if a person placed a broom beside their bed before going to sleep it would prevent the Hag from riding them. Hags supposedly would be distracted by counting the straws of the broom and would not get to ride the person sleeping before the sun rose the next morning.
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Commonly found on houses in the American South, Haint Blue is a paint color used on porch ceilings and door and window trim.
Tradition holds that it orginated in the Carribean as a way to ward off evil spirits ("haints"). Indigo was used to get the blue color. Also, lime was commonly used in the blue paint which helped keep insects away.
"...folks from the South who believe blue ceilings scare evil spirits.
That can be credited to the Gullah/Geechee culture, a mix of African tribes that made up a large part of the slave population once found in the Carolina Low Country...
These people brought many customs and myths with them to the United States, including the superstition that the color blue warded off evil spirits ("haints," or haunts). The Gullah people would paint the woodwork around their windows and doorways to ward off the haints... The practice spilled over onto porch ceilings, and the color came to be known as "haint blue." Source
"Haint Blue" isn't one specific color. It can vary from a pale pale light blue to a more deep turquoise or teal color. As long as we see it as the color of aporch ceiling or around a door/window, we can consider it Haint Blue.
"Legend has it that the color was brought to the United States with the slaves who believed that it had the ability to ward off evil spirits. In the South, a “Haint” is a spirit (a derivation of “haunt”) and the color supposedly keeps them away. This is why many houses in the South have blue porches or blue trim on the house. "
Today we see Haint Blue on all sorts of structures, from old shacks to graceful mansions. Even on commercial buildings and hotels.
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That would be very interesting if indeed if the blue doors has the same meaning on the Nile as the in the America's..also they made use of Voodoo dolls in ancient Kemet
The above is from Kemetic/Greco/Roman period and Modern pop culture Voodoo doll.
Execration text scribbled on a crude statue, dated to the 1st Intermediate Period.
Execration Texts - The Ancient Egypt Site (main.gif - 14.4 Kb)
A particular type of magical text are texts listing places, groups of people or individuals that were considered dangerous, hostile or evil. They were written on statues of prisoners or on jars, that were broken and then buried, as part of the ritual destruction of the enemies listed in the texts.
Statues or shards with these execration texts have been found throughout Egypt, but particularly near tombs in Thebes and Saqqara, and near the Middle Kingdom fortresses in Nubia. The enemies listed in these execration texts could be Egypt's traditional enemies, as well as specific ones. It is, however, hard to distinguish between texts that refer to real, existing enemies and those that are just copies of older ones or that list ancient enemies that no longer pose a threat to Egypt. To fully understand the historical value of an execration text, it is necessary to study the context in which it was found and to compare it with the other texts.
One example found near a fortress in Nubia was written on a skull. It is not impossible that this skull belonged to a member of a group that the Egyptians in command of the fortress considered hostile. By decapitating him and writing an execration text on his skull, the Egyptians probably wanted to magically transfer the fate of that individual to his entire group.
The oldest known examples of this type of text are dated to the Old Kingdom, but they remain popular throughout pharaonic history. The example to the right, scribbled on a crude statue representing an enemy, is dated to the 1st Intermediate Period and can now be found at the Louvre Museum. The arms of the statue are not present, probably to magically render the enemy it represents incapable of causing any harm. http://www.ancient-egypt.org/index.htmlPosts: 6546 | From: japan | Registered: Feb 2009
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I live in NYC. My blood type is O+. The Blacks in NYC are often very mixed. In my neighborhood there are many lightskinned Blacks. That's just the way it is.
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I was thinking about language.
Chadic and Berber are both part of the AfroAsiatic language family which is what Ancient Egyptian also belonged to.
Our ancestors included those who spoke Hausa and other Chadic languages from Northern Cameroon and Tamasheq the Tuareg language.
Also, Kanuri of Kanem-Bornu and Songhay are Nilo-Saharan languages like Nubian.
Therefore, we are linguistically related to AE and Nubia.
All African languages are related. But, Hausa, Tamasheq, Songhay and Kanuri are closer to the tongue of Ancient Egypt than the other Niger Congo languages.
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September 27, 2004 Vol. 62 No. 13 Roots RevealedBy Bob Meadows Using DNA to Explore the Family Tree, Rick Kittles Helps Black Americans Trace Their Ancestry Back to AfricaWhere do we come from? It's the most basic of questions, but the legacy of slavery made it impossible for Antoinette Harrell-Miller to answer. The New Orleans homemaker knew that her family had lived in the South for generations. But she wanted to go back even further. Rummaging through records in churches and quizzing older relatives for clues about her distant forebears, "I found out quite a bit," Harrell-Miller recalls. "But nothing that led me to Africa."
Then last year, Harrell-Miller, 43, learned about a new tool that could help solve a genealogical mystery: the first DNA testing kit designed specifically for black Americans interested in pinpointing their African ethnicity. On July 4, 2003, she took the test at home, running a cotton swab along her inner cheek and mailing the sample to a lab. Six weeks later, evidence of her lost heritage arrived in the mail. It showed that she shared DNA with the nomadic Tuareg people, who inhabit Niger and other parts of West Africa......
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What I am saying to you is that assuming your relatives were enslaved in Louisiana, you are probably part Tuareg and this you have every right to claim as your heritage.
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I can claim the Fulani, since my ancestors were enslaved in SC and historically we know many slaves came from Fullah lands and DNA proves this over and over again.
The Fulani are already in Egypt, Sudan and Ethiopia in a modern migration. The Hausa/Fulani are the 4th largest ethnic group in Sudan. Therefore, the relatives of the African American are already back on the Nile.
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