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Hollywood=/=Academia.

Most filmmakers in Hollywood are laymen who never even read scientific anthropological date on the AE, so I can careless if they depict the Egyptians as pake skinned Europeans. Its up to us blacks in America to make our own film industry/media.

Edit: Heck I think I remember the film producer of Gods of Egypt saying he just made them "white" because he wasn't really sure what race the AE were...

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Bull sh*t. I already post prominent Egyptologists who are currently sponsoring DIGS in Egypt saying Victor Mature was a perfect representation of Horemheb.

Go to ANY school of Egyptology in America and Europe and call the AE black and they will tell you point blank that they were not black. And what they are referring to is skin color, which includes brown skin as well.

White scientists have been rejecting the idea of the AE as black since they discovered Egypt including folks like Zahi Hawass. Don't start talking that silly tripe that the white scientists 'really' believe otherwise, because they don't.

White scientists created scientific racism stupid and they are deserving of criticism and are not 'objective' in any sense other than individuals who buck the system and publish truth, but those are individuals who buck the system. The system still promotes lies.

National Geographic:

http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/2009/04/hatshepsut/hatshepsut-illustration


http://natgeotv.com/asia/burying-king-tut


http://blog.education.nationalgeographic.com/2014/10/22/new-view-of-king-tut/

Looks just like Gods of Egypt to me.

Just admit it. You want approval from these folks which is why you would rather be a lap dog and not challenge them.... Including telling lies to defend them.

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^^^No offense but your reading is really off. Read my reply to you AGAIN. Especially the "Hollywood=/acedemia".

NO ONE is denying racism in Egyptology(hell I agree that Egyptology to an extent was founded on racism), but that LAYMEN in Hollywood are NOT the same as those in academia.

Since you brought up Hollywood depicting AE as white in their films. Again their opinions does not matter because like I said most film makers are not even well versed in the origins of the Ancient Egyptians, hell Hollyweird is not well versed in ANYTHING historical!

Now do you get what I am saying?

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^^^No offense but your reading is really off. Read my reply to you AGAIN. Especially the "Hollywood=/acedemia".

NO ONE is denying racism in Egyptology(hell I agree that Egyptology to an extent was founded on racism), but that LAYMEN in Hollywood are NOT the same as those in academia.

Since you brought up Hollywood depicting AE as white in their films. Again their opinions does not matter because like I said most film makers are not even well versed in the origins of the Ancient Egyptians, hell Hollyweird is not well versed in ANYTHING historical!

Now do you get what I am saying?

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You are stupid then.

How about that?

If you don't see the obvious that white folks run both Egyptology and hollywood you are stupid. They are same people who raped Africa and AE history. Racism requires no advanced degree. These are the same dam people.

Don't talk that retarded nonsense to me.

As long as they are in power in Hollywood and in control of the antiquities in Egypt they will never show the AE as anything other than white people because of racism. This is not an 'expertise' issue it is a racism issue.

I am getting tired of clowns trying to sit here and claim these people are 'objective' when everything they do shows just the opposite. GTFOH with that nonsense.

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↑ That is EXACTLY what it all boils down to: made-made RULES.

When I say that the AE weren't black according to a particular tradition, some knuckleheads think I'm questioning the Africanity of the AE.

If many brown and dark brown skinned North Africans fall outside of the definition of 'black' of a particular observer, and I acknowledge that such a definition exists (e.g. Ptolemy who only considered the tribes around Meroe "pure Aethiopians" and "true blacks"), that doesn't mean that I'm co-signing that tradition.

SMH. These are subjective rules, and yes, if someone uses 'black' in reference to any other skin tone than what visually appears to be jet-black skin, their own definition of 'black', whatever it is, is based on subjective rules. And yes, Ptolemy's definition of who has 'black' skin is more defensible than other definitions of who has 'black' skin, including the al Jahiz one I've subscribed to in the past.

If you're going to argue that Ptolemy is wrong for applying brown to brown-skinned Egyptians and lower Nubians and black to those further south who had jet-black skin, you're chemically imbalanced and I don't need to be talking to you.

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DUMB ASS I AM SAYING THEY WERE THE SAME COMPLEXION AS SUDANESE WHO NOBODY HAS A PROBLEM CALLING BLACK. NOBODY GOES TO SUDAN AND CLAIMS ONLY SOME SUDANESE LIKE THE DINKA AND NEUER ARE BLACK WHILE THE REST ARENT, EVEN THOUGH THERE ARE VARIOUS SHADES OF BROWN IN SUDAN JUST LIKE THERE ARE VARIOUS SHADES OF BROWN THROUGHOUT ALL OF AFRICA. EGYPT WAS NO DIFFERENT THAN ANY OTHER AFRICAN POPULATION STUPID. THERE WAS NO DIFFERENCE IN COMPLEXION IS MY POINT.

STOP TALKING RETARDED.

WHEN I SAY BLACK I MEAN BLACK.

YOU ARE BEING REFUCKINGTARDED.

NOBODY IS GOING TO SIT HERE AND TRY TO COME UP WITH HUNDREDS OF DIFFERENT NAMES FOR INDIVIDUAL SHADES OF BROWN FOUND ACROSS ALL OF AFRICA. THAT IS ABSURD. BLACK IS PERFECTLY SUFFICIENT AS A RFEFERENCE TO TROPICALLY ADAPTED BLACK POPULATIONS IN AFRICA. AND THAT IS HOW THE WORD IS DEFINED IN THE DAM DICTIONARY AND HOW IT HAS BEEN USED FOR THOUSANDS OF YEARS. AND THERE WAS NO "SPECIAL" SHADE OF BROWN CALLED "EGYPTIAN #22" THAT WAS UNIQUE TO EGYPT. THEY WERE BLACK. PERIOD, WITH THE SAME KINDS OF FEATURES AND SKIN COLOR AS OTHER BLACK AFRICANS.

YOUR POINT IS STUPID.

I AM NOT FLIP FLOPPING YOU SIMPLY ARE DISGUSTING WITH YOUR B.S.

WHEN WHITE SCIENTISTS REJECT BLACK FOR AE THEY ARE REJECTING WHAT I JUST SAID, MEANING THEY REJECT THAT THE AE HAD A SKIN COLOR SIMILAR TO MOST AFRICANS AND SUDANESE. YOU SIMPLY ARE TALKING GARBAGE WHEN YOU KNOW BETTER.

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Now the inhabitants of the marches are not yet fully black but are half-breeds in matter of color, for they are partly not so black as the Ethiopians, yet partly more so than the Egyptians. Apollonius, accordingly, when he realized the character of the market, remarked: "Contrast our good Hellenes: they pretend they cannot live unless one penny begets another and unless they can force up the price of their goods by chaffering or holding them back; and one pretends that he has got a daughter whom it is time to marry, and another that he has got a son who has just reached manhood, and a third that he has to pay his subscription to his club, and a fourth that he is having a house built for him, and a fifth that he would be ashamed of being thought a worse man of business than his father was before him.

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↑ That is EXACTLY what it all boils down to: made-made RULES.

When I say that the AE weren't black according to a particular tradition, some knuckleheads think I'm questioning the Africanity of the AE.

If many brown and dark brown skinned North Africans fall outside of the definition of 'black' of a particular observer, and I acknowledge that such a definition exists (e.g. Ptolemy who only considered the tribes around Meroe "pure Aethiopians" and "true blacks"), that doesn't mean that I'm co-signing that tradition.

SMH. These are subjective rules, and yes, if someone uses 'black' in reference to any other skin tone than what visually appears to be jet-black skin, their own definition of 'black', whatever it is, is based on subjective rules. And yes, Ptolemy's definition of who has 'black' skin is more defensible than other definitions of who has 'black' skin, including the al Jahiz one I've subscribed to in the past.

If you're going to argue that Ptolemy is wrong for applying brown to brown-skinned Egyptians and lower Nubians and black to those further south who had jet-black skin, you're chemically imbalanced and I don't need to be talking to you.

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DUMB ASS I AM SAYING THEY WERE THE SAME COMPLEXION AS SUDANESE WHO NOBODY HAS A PROBLEM CALLING BLACK. NOBODY GOES TO SUDAN AND CLAIMS ONLY SOME SUDANESE LIKE THE DINKA AND NEUER ARE BLACK WHILE THE REST ARENT, EVEN THOUGH THERE ARE VARIOUS SHADES OF BROWN IN SUDAN JUST LIKE THERE ARE VARIOUS SHADES OF BROWN THROUGHOUT ALL OF AFRICA. EGYPT WAS NO DIFFERENT THAN ANY OTHER AFRICAN POPULATION STUPID. THERE WAS NO DIFFERENCE IN COMPLEXION IS MY POINT.

STOP TALKING RETARDED.

WHEN I SAY BLACK I MEAN BLACK.

YOU ARE BEING REFUCKINGTARDED.

NOBODY IS GOING TO SIT HERE AND TRY TO COME UP WITH HUNDREDS OF DIFFERENT NAMES FOR INDIVIDUAL SHADES OF BROWN FOUND ACROSS ALL OF AFRICA. THAT IS ABSURD. BLACK IS PERFECTLY SUFFICIENT AS A RFEFERENCE TO TROPICALLY ADAPTED BLACK POPULATIONS IN AFRICA. AND THAT IS HOW THE WORD IS DEFINED IN THE DAM DICTIONARY AND HOW IT HAS BEEN USED FOR THOUSANDS OF YEARS. AND THERE WAS NO "SPECIAL" SHADE OF BROWN CALLED "EGYPTIAN #22" THAT WAS UNIQUE TO EGYPT. THEY WERE BLACK. PERIOD, WITH THE SAME KINDS OF FEATURES AND SKIN COLOR AS OTHER BLACK AFRICANS.

YOUR POINT IS STUPID.

I AM NOT FLIP FLOPPING YOU SIMPLY ARE DISGUSTING WITH YOUR B.S.

WHEN WHITE SCIENTISTS REJECT BLACK FOR AE THEY ARE REJECTING WHAT I JUST SAID, MEANING THEY REJECT THAT THE AE HAD A SKIN COLOR SIMILAR TO MOST AFRICANS AND SUDANESE. YOU SIMPLY ARE TALKING GARBAGE WHEN YOU KNOW BETTER.

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Doug, dry your eyes and take your medicine. There have always been people who didn't group all shades of brown into 'black'. I know it's a bitter pill to swallow, given your racial politics, but get over it. You're starting to look like a mental case right now.

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Now the inhabitants of the marches are not yet fully black but are half-breeds in matter of color, for they are partly not so black as the Ethiopians, yet partly more so than the Egyptians. Apollonius, accordingly, when he realized the character of the market, remarked: "Contrast our good Hellenes: they pretend they cannot live unless one penny begets another and unless they can force up the price of their goods by chaffering or holding them back; and one pretends that he has got a daughter whom it is time to marry, and another that he has got a son who has just reached manhood, and a third that he has to pay his subscription to his club, and a fourth that he is having a house built for him, and a fifth that he would be ashamed of being thought a worse man of business than his father was before him.

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And yes, brown skinned North Africans in Sudan and elsewhere are often called non-black using whatever use of 'black' they adhere to. You're delusional, Doug. And you can't read. But what else is new?

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IV All these people are Muhammadans and have Arab blood in their veins, but racial characteristics derived from non-Arab ancestors have survived very persistently, and more noticeably so among the Mahass and Sukkot. The Kanuz and Danagla approximate very much more to the Arab type.

At the same time, the importation of slave women from the south, which has proceeded uninterruptedly for centuries, has lent a further measure of spurious homogeneity to all of these Nubian peoples 4 .

As regards the Barabra as a whole one thing is quite certain: there are no grounds for closely connecting them as a race with the Nuba of southern Kordofan as Riippell, Rossi and Keane did 1 . They are very similar in type to the Middle Nubians who lived between 3000 and 4000 years ago in the same locality, but these had no more racial affinity with the southern Nuba than the Barabra-Danagla have, and the latter are almost the complete antithesis of the southern Nuba both physically and culturally 2 .

It may be the case, and probably is, that the southern Nuba are to some extent the modern representatives of the race of negroes who temporarily held Dongola and the cataract country south of Haifa in the days of the Middle Kingdom and early Empire and whose congeners, no doubt at a later date, formed part of the forces of the Ethiopian dynasty that conquered Egypt and ruled it for something less than a century, but these negroes were aliens in the northern Sudan and most of them were forced back to the south, and their place in Lower Nubia was taken by its original inhabitants and settlers from Egypt.

In the Dodekaschoinos 3 it is probable that the negroes had hardly displaced the original inhabitants, but south of Haifa they must have done so temporarily and to some extent modified the racial type in the process. But, even so, allowing for periods of interruption, it is true to say that from the time of the Middle Empire (2000-1600 B.C.) and onwards for centuries, and throughout the Meroitic, Ptolemaic and classical periods, and again in the years preceding the decisive Arab conquest of the Sudan, a strong infiltration of the Egyptian and, later, of the Egypto-Arab type was steadily and almost un- interruptedly proceeding in the northern Sudan and the negro element was correspondingly decreasing in that region.

VI It will be seen too that this prolonged infiltration to the south was more than the return of an ancient population, reinforced by fresh blood, to its quondam home on the river. When once the Arabs had overthrown the Christian kingdom of Dongola and established themselves in its place, they rapidly amalgamated with the local Nubians and began to send colonies further afield.

Thus it came about that Barabra, with an Arab leaven, penetrated into Kordofan and settled round about the most northernly of the Nuba mountains and intermarried with the negroes who were probably descendants of the erstwhile conquerors of Nubia 1 . The immigrating race, in addition, imposed its own language upon the blacks in their vicinity, and thus are explainable the linguistic affinities which have troubled so many generations of investigators. The Barabra, in short, do not speak a language akin to that of the northern Nuba of southern Kordofan because the negroes conquered Nubia, the negroes probably spoke some language or languages of their own that may still survive in the mountain fastnesses of the far south, but because the Barabra colonized the country round the foot of the northern hills of Dar Nuba. The conclusion, however, has here anticipated the argument and we must revert.

The Earliest Inhabitants of Nubia

VII As regards the earliest period it has been proved that those shadowy inhabitants of northern Nubia, who are known to archaeologists as "Group A," were contemporaries of the pre-dynastic Egyptians, that both buried their dead in the same way and that in cultural matters there were marked similarities. The two peoples must have been practically uniform 2 , and their stock may have extended in a more or less diluted form from Egypt to the Blue Nile and Abyssinia 3 . They were a "small, dark-haired, black-eyed, glabrous people" bearing a close resemblance to the Libyans of the southern Mediterranean seaboard, and were, in the earliest period of all, devoid of all negro characteristics 4 .

The First Arrival of the Negroes

VIII Later, about the time of the third dynasty, negro types began to settle in Nubia as far north as Aswan, and from now onwards "the population that grew up was a mixture of early Nubian and dynastic Egyptian with an ever increasing Negro element 5 ."

(a) The Bahr el Ghazdl Type

These negroes were for the most part "short and relatively broad- headed," of a type akin to that found at the present day in the south of the Bahr el Ghazal province, and entirely distinct from the invaders of the Empire period.

(b) The Nilotic Type

The tall Nilotes, Shilluk, Dinka and Nuer of the White Nile valley, who now intervene between the Bahr el Ghazal and Nubia, and are dissimilar to either group and display certain Bantu affinities, could not at the time of the earlier (Bahr el Ghazal) invasion have yet occupied their present position 1 . It is likely that they arrived there during the second millennium B.C., or later.

The "C Group" in Lower Nubia

IX By the time of the twelfth dynasty the fusion of races in Lower Nubia had resulted in the production of the singularly homogeneous blend of traits which distinguish the people of the Middle Empire, that is, dynasties twelve to seventeen, or "C Group"; the very type which in a modified form is represented in the same locality by the Barabra of the present day.

By the same date the population further south must have become almost exclusively negro (nehes).

Early Libyan Influences in Nubia

X Concurrently with the early negro infusion into Nubia further racial modification was probably being caused by the settlement on the Nile of Libyans (Temehu) from the western oases and the steppes
of northern Kordofan.

In the time of the sixth dynasty, about 2750 B.C., Harkhuf, the Governor of the district round Aswan, went to Yam, i.e. Lower Nubia on the west side 2 , and, he says, "I found the chief of Yam going to the land of Temeh to smite Temeh as far as the western corner of heaven. I went forth after him to the land of Temeh and I pacified him... 3 ." Harkhuf then went southwards through Upper Nubia, crossed over to the east bank, and returned downstream to Egypt bringing with him incense, ebony, oil, grain, panther-skins, ivory and throwing-sticks 4 . The advocates of the Libyan theory find here evidence that the Libyans (Temehu) lived between the first and second cataracts, but as Giuffrida-Ruggeri remarks 5 , "there is still the possibility suggested by Hrdlicka 6 that these Temehu lived... on the oases of Kharga and Dakhla, which are in the Libyan desert...."
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Christianity had penetrated to the Ethiopians and Blemyes refers to the Abyssinians and Troglodytes converted by Frumentius in the east 2 , but it is none the less probable that there were Christians in Nubia at the same period, and the record of Cosmus Indico- pleustes prove that there were some there in the fifth century 3 .

XXVIII In the sixth century conversion took place on a larger scale. A certain priest named Julianus "...was greatly concerned for the black people of the Nobades, who lived on the southern border of the Thebaid, and as they were heathen he wished to convert them " He accordingly persuaded Theodora, the Empress of Justinian, to send him on a mission to Nubia. There he "taught and baptized the king and the nobles, and... thus were all the people of Kushites converted to the orthodox faith 4 , and they became subjects of the throne of Alexandria 5 ."

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WHEN I SAY BLACK I MEAN BLACK.

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The point is they used the word black as a reference to skin color moron.

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No sh!t, captain obvious. Black was applied as a skin color in late Greek times. But your claim that that 'black' has always implied a range of brown skin colors just got torn a new one. Maybe that's why you're so butthurt.

Doug, take your meds.

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Good work.

Deleted my first comment because I thought I would take more time to analyze your table. But a quick glance at it confirms what DNATribes stated. Even including your new sample sets. The Amarnas lean towards Southern Africans. Like San – 167, 250, and Biaka 025, 150, Mbuti 231, 077, SAFRb 188, 250, KenB 091, 227, 045

So DNATribes was correct. The Amarnas lean towards Southern Africans and based upon DNATribes dataset Levantines and Amazigh are not very close to AEians.

But the fact is based upon the dataset DNATribes used, Great Lakes and South Africans carry closest affinity. And NOT Horners. Which was Swenet’s argument


BTW – I recommended this be in a different thread. As a mod I guess you can sort that out.

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Tunnel vision on your part.

Seven populations star in A III's movie.
It's the NE Afrs who steal the show i. e
* Upper Egypt
* Sudan
* Somali

Don't play dumb about pooling.
Stand three midgets on their
shoulders and they're taller
than any baller but they can't
sweep downcourt and dunk
can they?


The table by target, latitude, and longitudeas originally loaded

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Good work.

Deleted my first comment because I thought I would take more time to analyze your table. But a quick glance at it confirms what DNATribes stated. Even including your new sample sets. The Amarnas lean towards Southern Africans. Like San – 167, 250, and Biaka 025, 150, Mbuti 231, 077, SAFRb 188, 250, KenB 091, 227, 045

So DNATribes was correct. The Amarnas lean towards Southern Africans and based upon DNATribes dataset Levantines and Amazigh are not very close to AEians.

But the fact is based upon the dataset DNATribes used, Great Lakes and South Africans carry closest affinity. And NOT Horners. Which was Swenet’s argument


BTW – I recommended this be in a different thread. As a mod I guess you can sort that out.

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Tunnel vision on your part.

Seven populations star in A III's movie.
It's the NE Afrs who steal the show i. e
* Upper Egypt
* Sudan
* Somali

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Let me break it down for you. Eg CSFP1O. yes, it has highest frequency in Somalia at 093.

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The frequency does not mean shyte without “uniqueness”. Most Africans carry CSFP1O including Yorubans.

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Everyone in the know reading this is laughing at your contortions at this point. Just stop it bro. Enough is enough.

You came back without proof, even though I challenged you to put money where your mouth is and provided links to the samples. I had to provide the links because you pretended that you hadn't seen the page they were on. Now you're pretending that you don't know by now that your interpretation of DNA Tribes is full of bs.

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Siiiiigh!!! What is your problem? Calm down man. This is not a pissing contest besides I would win that one. You and Beyoku are cut from the same cloth man. Quick pick up on insignificant stuff. CSFP1O=9!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Look at your fkging chart. Most Africans carry CSFP1O=9 including AIII. I assume, your chart does not show it, but AIII CSFP1O=6?

Trying to explain to “me” what a lucus is is really stupid and shows you psycho state. I am only interpreting what your Table has. Not sure where you got the details from? I assume AIII has CSFP1O with 6 repeats since it was included. Which means San and AIII share a fkging uniquesness.

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Siiiiigh!!! What is your problem? Calm down man. This is not a pissing contest besides I would win that one. You and Beyoku are cut from the same cloth man. Quick pick up on insignificant stuff. CSFP1O=9!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Look at your fkging chart. Most Africans carry CSFP1O=9 including AIII. I assume, your chart does not show it, but AIII CSFP1O=6?

Trying to explain to “me” what a lucus is is really stupid and shows you psycho state. I am only interpreting what your Table has. Not sure where you got the details from? I assume AIII has CSFP1O with 6 repeats since it was included. Which means San and AIII share a fkging uniquesness.

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More Doug flip flops:

1) Throughout this thread, Doug has tried to peddle his BS claim that 'black' has always included a range of brown pigmentation.

2) I then prove this wrong by posting Ptolemy and other late Greeks who used 'black' ONLY in reference to jet-black skin, while considering brown skin BROWN (not 'black').

3) Instead of addressing what I said, Doug flip flops and starts talking about dumb crap like whether or not 'black' is used as a color by that late Greek. As usual, Doug starts spacing out and knocking down the strawmen in the figments of his imagination:

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The point is they used the word black as a reference to skin color moron.

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You are going over-board while you did pain- sakingly good work this is very simple. AIII carry 6 repeats at CSFP1O and 9 repeats at the other region. Most Africans carry 9 repeats also. But only San carry 6 repeats…along with AIII. Step through the process. No computer needed. By a process of elimination through shared STR one has to conclude DNATribes was right. This is very simple. No emotional outburst needed or waving your small dick around is needed.


QUOTE]Originally posted by Tukuler:

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Siiiiigh!!! What is your problem? Calm down man. This is not a pissing contest besides I would win that one. You and Beyoku are cut from the same cloth man. Quick pick up on insignificant stuff. CSFP1O=9!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Look at your fkging chart. Most Africans carry CSFP1O=9 including AIII. I assume, your chart does not show it, but AIII CSFP1O=6?

Trying to explain to “me” what a lucus is is really stupid and shows you psycho state. I am only interpreting what your Table has. Not sure where you got the details from? I assume AIII has CSFP1O with 6 repeats since it was included. Which means San and AIII share a fkging uniquesness.

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Tables are made of rows and columns.
This table's 1st row lists the basic 8 STRs
of Amarna mummies.

The 2nd row gives the values of Amenhotep's
paired alleles for each locus. The following
rows do the same for 4 nations, 12 ethnic
groups, 4+ language families, and 8 regions.

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... Amenhotep's STR profile against distinct ethnic
groups with pooled Upper Egypt and pooled Sudan
data shows Upper Egypt, Sudan, and Somali as the
closest to Amenhotep's profile.

Kenya BaNtu follows further behind.

Above comments based on weighing
locus and allele matches and frequencies.


Below comments are observations on
ethnic and geographic affinities of some
loci and alleles.

D2S1338 = 16 27; Egypt Sudan
D18S51 = 16 22; Egypt Sudan Somali
FGA = 23 31.2; Somali
loci are only found today as where named.

CSFP1O = 6; San
D7S820 = 6; Biaka
FGA = 31.2; Kenya Bantu
alleles are exclusive in Africa to only the above today.

D16S539 = 8 13 locus and
D2S1338 = 16
D13S317 = 10
D18S51 = 16
FGA = 23 alleles are not very specific markers.

D21S11 = 34 interestingly enough appears
only in Biaka, San, Mbuti, and NE Africa.

The situation is more complex than simply
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Originally posted by Tukuler:
Why can't you tell me something I didn't
already post when I put up tthe A III table.

Why can't you research and build your own tables.

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Originally posted by Tukuler:
Why can't you tell me something I didn't
already post when I put up tthe A III table.

Why can't you research and build your own tables.

Why can't you stop fronting? CSFP1O = 20?
Prove there is any such thing why don't you.

Africa and Europe both have CSFP1O = 6
limited to one ethnicity or nation for each..
All Old World major geographies, the Pacific,
Central and South America carry CSFP1O = 9.


Re-posting for perusal not glances:

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... Amenhotep's STR profile against distinct ethnic
groups with pooled Upper Egypt and pooled Sudan
data shows Upper Egypt, Sudan, and Somali as the
closest to Amenhotep's profile.

Kenya BaNtu follows further behind.

Above comments based on weighing
locus and allele matches and frequencies.


Below comments are observations on
ethnic and geographic affinities of some
loci and alleles.

D2S1338 = 16 27; Egypt Sudan
D18S51 = 16 22; Egypt Sudan Somali
FGA = 23 31.2; Somali
loci are only found today as where named.

CSFP1O = 6; San
D7S820 = 6; Biaka
FGA = 31.2; Kenya Bantu
alleles are exclusive in Africa to only the above today.

D16S539 = 8 13 locus and
D2S1338 = 16
D13S317 = 10
D18S51 = 16
FGA = 23 alleles are not very specific markers.

D21S11 = 34 interestingly enough appears
only in Biaka, San, Mbuti, and NE Africa.

The situation is more complex than simply
closest matching population or geography.

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Originally posted by xyyman:
BTW – Just so you know. Different world populations may carry the same STR repeats at ONE locus. But when you include a “second” STR locus the differentiation begins. That is why I said earlier in this thread that at minimum ONLY “TWO” STR are needed to give a” preliminary” geographic profile. But the more the merrier. Lol! JAMA released 8 STRs for the Amarnas. That is more than enough. DNATribes got it right. As YOU have showed no” proprietary software” is needed. Lol!

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Coming from a man who created a thread to understand Cluster/Kluster vs Population. ….nuff said. But we are all here to learn. Wink wink

Not to see who has the bigger dick!! Tukuler/Beyoku

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Originally posted by Tukuler:
You just proved you don't know what a STR locus is.

I explained it to you 3 times already so I give up
unless someone else wants a glossary type FAQ.

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Originally posted by xyyman:
BTW – Just so you know. Different world populations may carry the same STR repeats at ONE locus. But when you include a “second” STR locus the differentiation begins. That is why I said earlier in this thread that at minimum ONLY “TWO” STR are needed to give a” preliminary” geographic profile. But the more the merrier. Lol! JAMA released 8 STRs for the Amarnas. That is more than enough. DNATribes got it right. As YOU have showed no” proprietary software” is needed. Lol!

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Originally posted by beyoku:
Finding which African population carries the matching Repeat of a specific STR found in AE Mummies a the highest frequency does not debunk DNA Tribes proprietary algorithm. It gives you something to talk about, a new way of taking the data and giving your own interpretation of what it means but it cannot debunk the commercial algorithm from DNA Tribes.

It is too simplistic to just look at a populations and try and break it down by peak frequency. These profiles are actual "PROFILES" so peak frequency may not be the determining factor of affinity as far a DNA TRIBES algorithm is concerned. To put things in perspective.....Lets assume the ancient DNA from the Lake Turkana remains has a heterogeneous Y-Chromosome profile of A3b, B2a, E1a, M2, M35 and E2. It would be incorrect to point to populations that Peak those respective lineages : Dinka, Nuer, Dogon, Bamileke, Somali, Alur respectively looking for some sort of parental genetic affinity. I would be equally incorrect to assume these 6 Ethnic groups individually contributed their Y-Chromosomes to the humans found at Lake Turkana in whatever proportion they are found.

When looking at Y-Chromosome STR profiles, it is the profile itself that you have to break down. You couldn't just go through each individual STR value to see where it peaks in a given population/haplogroup. One sequence of repeats may be more common in E1b1a, others more common in E1a, I2a or R1b. The totality of the STR profile will give you a better prediction of a REAL haplogroup.

I cannot sit back and say what is MORE correct. What i can say is their algorithm is proprietary. There is no way for us to know the details.

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Originally posted by Tukuler:
As I posted earlier my concern is with
matching loci and alleles not DNAtribes.

I will say this, DNAtribes obviously missed
out honing in on Upper Egypt and Sudan
samples. Sudan samples offer much more
Nilo-Saharan than DNAtribes did. It is silly
to accept a search for modern occurrences
of Amarna STRs and exclude Upper Egypt
and Sudan.

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Originally posted by xyyman:
BTW – Just so you know. Different world populations may carry the same STR repeats at ONE locus. But when you include a “second” STR locus the differentiation begins. That is why I said earlier in this thread that at minimum ONLY “TWO” STR are needed to give a” preliminary” geographic profile. But the more the merrier. Lol! JAMA released 8 STRs for the Amarnas. That is more than enough.

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