quote:Originally posted by MY NAME IS NO MORE .....,: is this a personal issue or u love attacking him ,hey batman in one thread u had no accent riting and i know u didnt paste it i no people comment on my english but i cud swear u have changed accents 4times are u i assume u are ....
I noticed that Batman's english is improving
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i SEE WE OBLIGAET THEM TO MAKE HOMOSEXUALITY, GIVE THEM HIJGH VOLTAGE ELECTRIC SHOCK. UNDRESS THEM AND MAKE THEM GO NAKED. MAKE THEM HEAT THEIR STOOL AND OBLIGAET THEM TO ATE THE HEATED STOOL. WE ALSO RAPE THE WOMEN AND KILL THE CHILDREN
FORGET TO SAY, WE TIE THEM LIKE DOG ON THE NECK
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yes you are doing these in your jails in Egypt,Syria,Iran...etc with Muslims and Non-muslims it became no difference now
Jesus said before take care from false prophets who will com after me in sheep clothes but they are wolves from inside, from their fruits you will know them .
you can read this file to know the fruits, may be you can see the truth once day.
quote:Originally posted by loveforever: Jesus said before take care from false prophets who will com after me in sheep clothes but they are wolves from inside, from their fruits you will know them .
i DOUBT IF HE SAID IT.
LETS' ASSUME HE SAID,
WHERE R THOSE FALSE 'PROPHETS'?? they must be more than one
hOW MANY FALSE PROPHETS CAME ?
which fruits r u talking about?
the propeht Muhammed is stiill found in your written bible. God makes people keep his name in the bible. dont you know that?
Btw, u cant believe ur bible that people write it themselves
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Muslims and 5 US Presidents do not agree with the trinity.
TV Evangelists claim that Allah, God of the Muslims, is not a real God and is not the same God of Christians. This is because the Christian god is the trinity. Muslims do not agree with the Christian doctrine of trinity or the divinity of Jesus. Millions of Christians reject this same doctrine. At least five Presidents of the USA: John Adams, Thomas Jefferson, John Quincy Adams, Millard Fillmore, and William Howard Taft did not believe that Jesus was the son of god. They were Unitarians that respected the teachings of Jesus and rejected his divinity. Moreover, Sir Isaac Newton, the greatest scientist in the history, Lev Tolstoy, the giant of the Russian literature, and Johann Von Goethe, the greatest German writer (Goethe Institutes for teaching the German language exist in many parts of the world) did not agree with the trinity. Therefore, those TV Evangelists are either ignorant of their history or they do not tell the WHOLE TRUTH.
The following are the writings of the second US President John Adams:
[B]"The divinity of Jesus is made a convenient cover for absurdity. Nowhere in the Gospels do we find a precept for Creeds, Confessions, Oaths, Doctrines, and whole carloads of other foolish trumpery that we find in Christianity." --John Adams
"I almost shudder at the thought of alluding to the most fatal example of the abuses of grief which the history of mankind has preserved--the Cross. Consider what calamities that engine of grief has produced!"--John Adams in a letter to Thomas Jefferson
“As I understand the Christian religion, it was, and is, a revelation. But how has it happened that millions of fables, tales, legends, have been blended with both Jewish and Christian revelation that have made them the most bloody religion that has ever existed?" John Adams letter to F.A. Van der Kamp, Dec. 27, 1816.[\B]
The following are the writings of the third US President Thomas Jefferson (The writer of the US Declaration of Independence, and the signer of US Constitution):
The divine aspects of Christ were "the fabric of very inferior minds. It is as easy to separate those parts, as to pick out diamonds from dunghills." --Jefferson in a letter to John Adams, January, 24, 1814.
“Among the sayings and discourses imputed to [Jesus] by His biographers, I find many passages of fine imagination, correct morality, and of the most lovely benevolence; and others, again, of so much ignorance, so much absurdity, so much untruth, charlatanism and imposture, as to pronounce it impossible that such contradictions should have proceeded from the same Being. I separate, therefore, the gold from the dross; restore to Him the former, and leave the latter to the stupidity of some, and roguery of others of His disciples. Of this band of dupes and impostors, Paul was the great . . . corruptor of the doctrines of Jesus.” --Jefferson in a letter William Short, April, 13, 1820.
Jefferson went so far as to produce a revised New Testament deleting all references to miracles and portraying Jesus as just an extraordinary man and a powerful moral leader.
It is very interesting that Thomas Jefferson, the writer of the US Constitution, purchased a copy of the Quran, and taught himself to read Arabic, and to know the basic Arabic grammars. It should be noted that Arabic is a Semitic language written from right to left as opposed to English which a Latin language written to left to right. It is suggested in this article that Thomas Jefferson went to all this work in the Quran and it language to study the Islamic Law to help him in his legal work! You be the judge!
Reference
Kane, Joseph Nathan. Facts About the Presidents (Fourth Edition). New York: The H. W. Wilson Co. (1981)
DeGregorio, William A. The Complete Book of U.S. Presidents (Second Edition). New York: Dembner Books (1989)
Kevin Hayes, “How Thomas Jefferson Read the Quran” Early American Literature; June 2004, Vol.39 Issue 2, P. 247
quote:WHERE R THOSE FALSE 'PROPHETS'?? they must be more than one
I think you need to read more to understand how the world is going now.
Have you heard about the other Religions Sikhism ,Buddhism,Hinduism....etc these religions called man made there are also many who claimed prophethood in America and Asia not only one or two even in Islam you don't know about Baha'ia,Drouz ...etc
Examples of such prophets include:
Nostradamus Shirdi Sai Baba Sathya Sai Baba Helena Petrovna Blavatsky (Madame Blavatsky) Deganawidah Dan Evehema, Hopi Elder Tupac Shakur Mitar Tarabich John Titor Jeane Dixon Richard Rossi Hal Lindsey Edgar Cayce William Miller Merlin the wizard Mother Shipton Elizabeth Clare Prophet St Malachy - see Prophecy of the Popes Ellen White
Read my friend instead of being hidden from the new informations and afraid of The God of Islam to hurt you because you are reading in another religions as you have been taught.
Don't afraid keep reading ,do your comparisonss,use your mind which is busy by useless stuff and the real God will help you to discover the truth like many others before you did the same and crossed the road to the ligh.
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we need to find a wife for batty.... he is in drastic need for that.... the man is so bored he does not know what to do with himself anymore, matala3shi hammak 3aleina yasi khofassh
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quote:Originally posted by loveforever: Jesus said before take care from false prophets who will com after me in sheep clothes but they are wolves from inside, from their fruits you will know them .
i DOUBT IF HE SAID IT.
LETS' ASSUME HE SAID,
WHERE R THOSE FALSE 'PROPHETS'?? they must be more than one
hOW MANY FALSE PROPHETS CAME ?
which fruits r u talking about?
the propeht Muhammed is stiill found in your written bible. God makes people keep his name in the bible. dont you know that?
Btw, u cant believe ur bible that people write it themselves
Batman needs to understand that one person's belief system is not the same as the next persons. If he could respect that, it would save his needless attacks on Christianity. This equally applies to the fundamental Christian nutters on this forum. Your version of God is YOUR version of God. These are YOUR truths. They are facts to you, not anyone else. If you can't respect this, you have no right to demand respect from anyone else.
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quote:Originally posted by SayWhatYouSee: Batman needs to understand that one person's belief system is not the same as the next persons. If he could respect that, it would save his needless attacks on Christianity. This equally applies to the fundamental Christian nutters on this forum. Your version of God is YOUR version of God. These are YOUR truths. They are facts to you, not anyone else. If you can't respect this, you have no right to demand respect from anyone else. [/QB]
Exactly........ Why doesnt everybody respect everybody else even if they were different?
I am not for fundamentalists whether muslims or christians ....... Have you seen "The Power of Nightmares" video that I submitted in the Politics Forum? It's about fundamentalism in both religions & both cultures east & west.
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quote:Originally posted by loveforever: Jesus said before take care from false prophets who will com after me in sheep clothes but they are wolves from inside, from their fruits you will know them .
i DOUBT IF HE SAID IT.
LETS' ASSUME HE SAID, you either pasted this or your ENGLISH HAS DEFFINAELTY IMPROVED you keep changing your accents u sound one minuit so cokney then ur sound jamaican then its perfect english i dont get it ur either looking for a psage and pasting it or your messing around i thnkyour an old user under a dfferent name ......PLA THE GAME SHAKEYAHBATTY¬¬¬!!!!!! WHERE R THOSE FALSE 'PROPHETS'?? they must be more than one
hOW MANY FALSE PROPHETS CAME ?
which fruits r u talking about?
the propeht Muhammed is stiill found in your written bible. God makes people keep his name in the bible. dont you know that?
Btw, u cant believe ur bible that people write it themselves
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''I am not for fundamentalists whether muslims or christians ....... Have you seen "The Power of Nightmares" video that I submitted in the Politics Forum? It's about fundamentalism in both religions & both cultures east & west.'' Chinderella
No, I haven't seen it. Could you provide a link, please, Chinderella?
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quote:Originally posted by SayWhatYouSee: ''I am not for fundamentalists whether muslims or christians ....... Have you seen "The Power of Nightmares" video that I submitted in the Politics Forum? It's about fundamentalism in both religions & both cultures east & west.'' Chinderella
No, I haven't seen it. Could you provide a link, please, Chinderella?
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GOD's stupidity is smarter than all of us?!
1- Paul's blasphemous statement:
Let us read what Paul said in the corrupted Bible:
"For the foolishness of God is wiser than man's wisdom, and the weakness of God is stronger than man's strength. (From the NIV Bible, 1 Corinthians 1:25)"
Let us analyze this foolish and blasphemous verse from Paul:
1- Regardless of how smart and stupid GOD and us humans are, our intelligence will never reach even the stupidity of GOD!
2- GOD is a fool.
3- GOD is weak.
4- Man is more foolish and weaker than GOD.
5- The comparison itself is very insulting and degrading to GOD Almighty. It is also limiting to Him since our finite and limited intelligence and strength were compared to His infinite Attributes.
Now before Christians jump and start telling me what Paul's "real" intentions were, I want to eliminate this nonsense of theirs altogether by telling them that Paul's intentions are not relevant here, even though it is quite obvious that he did INSULT GOD Almighty! So please, hold your horses, sit down, and don't spam my email address with your nonsense. The reason why his intentions are irrelevant, even though he is clearly a blasphemer, is because:
1- I am not discussing Paul's human-words, but rather GOD Almighty's supposed Divine Revelations! I don't care what humans say. I care about what is supposed to be GOD Almighty's Holy and Divine Revelations.
2- The verse above is crystal clear that it is Paul's stupidity that uttered such blasphemous words and not GOD Almighty's Divine Inspirations!
So again, Paul and his intentions are irrelevant here. It is the TEXT that is relevant, and whether or not the Bible is corrupt and altered by men.
But at any rate:
Paul did clearly insult GOD Almighty, and I challenge any polytheist trinitarian pagan to disprove it!
2- "Fool" is a forbidden word by Jesus! Paul clearly contradicted that:
It is truly funny how the word "fool" is forbidden upon Christians to use it against each others, and yet, Paul used it on the Creator of the Universe Himself!
Let us look at what Jesus said:
"But I tell you that anyone who is angry with his brother will be subject to judgment. Again, anyone who says to his brother, 'Raca, ' is answerable to the Sanhedrin. But anyone who says, 'You fool!' will be in danger of the fire of hell. (From the NIV Bible, Matthew 5:22)"
Clearly, Paul contradicted Jesus' own commands by using this forbidden word on the Creator of the Universe Himself, blowing away every argument about him being a true apostle of GOD Almighty!
3- The Arabic Bible translators could not even dare to translate the word accurately!
Advice to Zawadi: Men living in glasshouses shouldn’t pick up stones and throw them at others.
My response:
Our house is not made of glass. It is solid brick! Your house on the other hand, as I demonstrated above, is made from not only glass, but from paper as well where it can be blown away, washed away, and burnt away very quickly and easily.
Your Bible is not only a notorious book in contradictions and man's alterations in it, but it is also a notorious book in X-Rated Pornography, where it declares women's vaginas and breasts taste like "wine". Ironically, there are "variant readings" in that as well.
Also, not only your gospel of porn is notorious in porn and corruption, but it is also notorious in stupidity as Paul declared that GOD Almighty's stupidity is smarter than all of us combined:
"For the foolishness of God is wiser than man's wisdom, and the weakness of God is stronger than man's strength. (From the NIV Bible, 1 Corinthians 1:25)"
Note: Visit Paul's blasphemy and stupidity to see further proofs from GREEK where the most accurate translation of the word is actually STUPIDITY (moro in Greek)!
Ironically, when one reads the Arabic translation of this stupidity and blasphemy, he clearly sees that the liars translated "foolishness" to IGNORANCE (jahalah)! The reason for this is because in Arabic we don't have two words for foolish and stupid. They both mean one word and that is GHABI. Foolishness or stupidity mean GHABA'A. The Arabic translators COULD NOT DARE to use this word in their translations, because the Arabic words ghabi and/or ghaba'a are very offensive words!
To further prove this, let us consider Jesus' own words in the New Testament:
"But I tell you that anyone who is angry with his brother will be subject to judgment. Again, anyone who says to his brother, 'Raca, ' is answerable to the Sanhedrin. But anyone who says, 'You fool!' will be in danger of the fire of hell. (From the NIV Bible, Matthew 5:22)"
Because the word is just way too offensive in the middle east, Jesus himself forbade it upon his followers! The verse is clearly saying that a Christian can not call another Christian "stupid", because the word is so offensive that it would bring the person closer to Hell Fire! That is why Jesus made such a big deal out of the word "fool" or "stupid", because it is just too serious. Yet, Paul used it on GOD Almighty Himself!
At any rate and as we clearly see, even in stupidity, Sam Shamoun's gospel of porn has some very ludicrous "variant readings" between language translations, which are no less than lies, in it, that render it quite absurd and pathetic!
This is quite hilarious indeed!
4- GOD Almighty would never declare such utter nonsense!
To me, GOD Almighty would never say that He has stupidity and weakness in Him. He would never declare that He is a fool! In fact, when we look at the GOD Almighty of the Noble Quran, we clearly and indisputably see a Sovereign and Almighty GOD who is above and beyond everyone. Let us look at what the True and Living GOD Almighty Said in the Noble Quran.
The sub-sections here are:
1- He is the Sovereign LORD over all of the Universe. 2- Do not profane His Holy Name. 3- Regarding Paul and his likes in the Noble Quran.
1- He is the Sovereign LORD over all of the Universe:
"God is He, than Whom there is no other god;- the Sovereign, the Holy One, the Source of Peace (and Perfection), the Guardian of Faith, the Preserver of Safety, the Exalted in Might, the Irresistible, the Supreme: Glory to God! (High is He) above the partners they attribute to Him. (The Noble Quran, 59:23)"
"Whatever is in the heavens and on earth, doth declare the Praises and Glory of God,- the Sovereign, the Holy One, the Exalted in Might, the Wise. (The Noble Quran, 62:1)"
"Say: He is God, the One and Only; God, the Eternal, Absolute; He begetteth not, nor is He begotten; And there is none like unto Him. (The Noble Quran, 112:1-4)"
"The Jews say: "God's hand is tied up." Be their hands tied up and be they accursed for the (blasphemy) they utter. Nay, both His hands are widely outstretched: He giveth and spendeth (of His bounty) as He pleaseth. But the revelation that cometh to thee from God increaseth in most of them their obstinate rebellion and blasphemy. Amongst them we have placed enmity and hatred till the Day of Judgment. Every time they kindle the fire of war, God doth extinguish it; but they (ever) strive to do mischief on earth. And God loveth not those who do mischief. (The Noble Quran, 5:64)"
2- Do not profane His Holy Name:
"Revile not ye those whom they call upon besides God, lest they out of spite revile God in their ignorance. Thus have We made alluring to each people its own doings. In the end will they return to their Lord, and We shall then tell them the truth of all that they did. (The Noble Quran, 6:108)"
"The most beautiful names belong to God: so call on him by them; but shun such men as use profanity in his names: for what they do, they will soon be requited. (The Noble Quran, 7:180)"
"Already has He sent you Word in the Book, that when ye hear the signs of God held in defiance and ridicule, ye are not to sit with them unless they turn to a different theme: if ye did, ye would be like them. For God will collect the hypocrites and those who defy faith - all in Hell:- (The Noble Quran, 4:140)"
"When thou seest men engaged in vain discourse about Our signs, turn away from them unless they turn to a different theme. If Satan ever makes thee forget, then after recollection, sit not thou in the company of those who do wrong. (The Noble Quran, 6:68)"
"And make not God's (name) an excuse in your oaths against doing good, or acting rightly, or making peace between persons; for God is One Who heareth and knoweth all things. (The Noble Quran, 2:224)"
"God! there is no god but He! To Him belong the most Beautiful Names. (The Noble Quran, 20:8)"
"He is God, the Creator, the Evolver, the Bestower of Forms (or Colours). To Him belong the Most Beautiful Names: whatever is in the heavens and on earth, doth declare His Praises and Glory: and He is the Exalted in Might, the Wise. (The Noble Quran, 59:24)"
"He is God, the Creator, the Evolver, the Bestower of Forms (or Colours). To Him belong the Most Beautiful Names: whatever is in the heavens and on earth, doth declare His Praises and Glory: and He is the Exalted in Might, the Wise. (The Noble Quran, 59:24)"
They are 99 Holy Names and Attributes.
3- Regarding Paul and his likes:
"Then woe to those who write the Book with their own hands, and then say:"This is from God," to traffic with it for miserable price!- Woe to them for what their hands do write, and for the gain they make thereby. (The Noble Quran, 2:79)"
"Who can be more wicked than one who inventeth a lie against God, or saith, "I have received inspiration," when he hath received none, or (again) who saith, "I can reveal the like of what God hath revealed"? If thou couldst but see how the wicked (do fare) in the flood of confusion at death! - the angels stretch forth their hands, (saying),"Yield up your souls: this day shall ye receive your reward,- a penalty of shame, for that ye used to tell lies against God, and scornfully to reject of His signs!" (The Noble Quran, 6:93)"
"O ye who believe! If ye listen to a faction among the People of the Book, they would (indeed) render you apostates after ye have believed! (The Noble Quran, 3:100)"
"O ye who believe! Fear God as He should be feared, and die not except in a state of Islam. (The Noble Quran, 3:102)"
"O ye who believe! Take not into your intimacy those outside your ranks: They will not fail to corrupt you. They only desire your ruin: Rank hatred has already appeared from their mouths: What their hearts conceal is far worse. We have made plain to you the Signs, if ye have wisdom. (The Noble Quran, 3:118)"
5- Conclusion:
I hope this article has clearly demonstrated and proven that Paul is no more than a liar who was deceived by satan. There is no question that the Bible had been altered by men's lies, and it is indeed a corrupted book! Calling GOD Almighty a "fool" and "weak" is clear blasphemy! Anyone who argues against this becomes as blasphemous as Paul himself.
Paul, the liar, thought he was giving a proverb; a wisdom. He didn't realize that his lie of claiming to be an apostle from GOD Almighty ended here, and that he has exposed himself very badly with this blasphemous "proverb" of his.
The stupidity of GOD is smarter than all of us combined?! Give me a break!!
Do we have to praise GOD Almighty through insulting Him??
By the way, Paul did in the past call disbelievers, who are supposedly doomed to Hell, as "holy men"! Please visit: www.answering-christianity.com/baptism_rebuttal.htm and see my rebuttal to Sam Shamoun and how I have exposed his deceptive methods and the absurdity of Paul and the New Testament.
Truly, the gospel of porn (the book of women's vaginas and breasts taste like "wine") is a corrupt book that was inspired by satan. May He, the Almighty, burn that liar and blasphemer, Paul, in Hell for Eternity! Ameen.Posts: 1007 | From: http://www.sultan.org | Registered: Mar 2006
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See in Quran How God is saying Let's mediate on these two verse deeply:
179 Many are the Jinns and men we have made for Hell: They have hearts wherewith they understand not, eyes wherewith they see not, and ears wherewith they hear not. They are like cattle,- nay more misguided: for they are heedless (of warning). 180 The most beautiful names belong to Allah. so call on him by them; but shun such men as use profanity in his names: for what they do, they will soon be requited.
Sura Al-Araf
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Let us see what Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him said regarding the validity and the reliability of the Bible:
Narrated AbuNamlah al-Ansari: "When he was sitting with the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) and a Jew was also with him, a funeral passed by him. He (the Jew) asked (Him): Muhammad, does this funeral speak? The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: Allah has more knowledge. The Jew said: It speaks.
The Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) said: Whatever the people of the Book [Jews and Christians] tell you, do not verify them, nor falsify them, but say: We believe in Allah and His Apostle. If it is false, do not confirm it, and if it is right, do not falsify it. (Translation of Sunan Abu-Dawud, Knowledge (Kitab Al-Ilm), Book 25, Number 3637)"
The following two Sayings of our beloved Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him were sent to me by Yusif 65; may Allah Almighty always be pleased with him:
Narrated Ubaidullah: "Ibn 'Abbas said, 'Why do you ask the people of the scripture about anything while your Book (Quran) which has been revealed to Allah's Apostle is newer and the latest? You read it pure, undistorted and unchanged, and Allah has told you that the people of the scripture (Jews and Christians) changed their scripture and distorted it, and wrote the scripture with their own hands and said, 'It is from Allah,' to sell it for a little gain. Does not the knowledge which has come to you prevent you from asking them about anything? No, by Allah, we have never seen any man from them asking you regarding what has been revealed to you!' (Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Holding Fast to the Qur'an and Sunnah, Volume 9, Book 92, Number 461)"
Narrated Abu Huraira: "The people of the Book used to read the Torah in Hebrew and then explain it in Arabic to the Muslims. Allah's Apostle said (to the Muslims). 'Do not believe the people of the Book, nor disbelieve them, but say, 'We believe in Allah and whatever is revealed to us, and whatever is revealed to you.' ' (Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Holding Fast to the Qur'an and Sunnah, Volume 9, Book 92, Number 460)"
As we clearly see in the above Sayings of our beloved Prophet peace be upon him, the source that the Jews and Christians use (i.e. the Bible or any other religious source such as their Popes', Rabbis or other religious people's verdicts) must be ignored because it is not reliable. As we've seen in the above introduction, the man-made scribes (laws) had corrupted the Bible and turned it "into a lie" (Jeremiah 8:8).
According to Islam, Allah Almighty (GOD Almighty) in the Bible promised those who try to tamper His Words in the Bible to face hell fire, because He knew that it was going to happen. He gave the people of the book (Jews and Christians) a chance/test and they simply blew it!. Today, there is no one Bible!. The number of Books/Gospels in the Roman Catholics Bible for instance is different from the King James Version Bible, which is different in the number of Books/Gospels from the Jehovah's Witnesses Bible, which is different in the number of Books/Gospels from the Mormon's Bible, etc... Look at Noble Verse 5:13 from the Noble Quran: "But on account of their breaking their covenant We cursed them (Jews and Christians) and made their hearts hard; they altered the words from their places and they neglected a portion of what they were reminded of; and you shall always discover treachery in them excepting a few of them; so pardon them and turn away; surely Allah loves those who do good (to others)." Israel, when it lost Allah Almighty's grace, began to sin against truth and religion in three ways: (1) they began to misuse Scripture itself, by either taking words out of their right meaning, or applying them to things for which they were never meant; (2) in doing so, they conveniently forgot a part of the Message and purpose of Allah; and (3) they invented new deceits to support the old ones.
Let us look at Noble Verse 5:41 "O Apostle! let not those grieve thee, who race each other into unbelief: (whether it be) among those who say "We believe" with their lips but whose hearts have no faith; or it be among the Jews,- men who will listen to any lie,- will listen even to others who have never so much as come to thee. They change the words from their (right) times and places: they say, 'If ye are given this, take it, but if not, beware!' If any one's trial is intended by God, thou hast no authority in the least for him against God. For such - it is not God's will to purify their hearts. For them there is disgrace in this world, and in the Hereafter a heavy punishment."
Please visit History of man's corruption in the Bible for more details. Allah Almighty in the Noble Quran on the other hand, did promise that He will personally guard the Noble Quran from corruption. He never promised hell fire to anyone who tries to tamper His words in the Noble Quran. He will guard it Himself; "We (Allah) have, without a doubt, sent down the Message (The Quran); and We (Allah) will assuredly Guard it [from corruption]. (The Noble Quran, 15:9)." Today we have only one Arabic Noble Quran.
Visit: The lie of 1 John 5:7, where it was later discovered to be a man made corruption inserted into the Bible.
"Son of GOD" conflict between the Bible and the Noble Quran.
How is Allah Almighty telling the Jews and Christians to follow their Books when these Books had been corrupted?
Do the errors in the Bible prove that the Noble Quran is not from GOD?
What parts of the Bible do Muslims believe are closest to the Truth? and Why?
Did Prophet Muhammad recognize the Bible as an error-free book?
A continuation to my answer from sister Jacqueline S. Waheed; may Allah Almighty always be pleased with her:
The above question has [THREE] parts, so let us see the answers accordingly. To answer the part ["Muslims believe that the current Bible is not all the true word of GOD, and only the Quran is"] Yes, Muslims believes that current bible [OT &NT] is not the one[s], which God [Allaah] almighty gave to Moses and Jesus [peace be upon them]. But it is also verified and confirmed by Noble Qur'aan, which is the main source of Muslims' belief. If you read OT, NT, and Noble Qur'aan, it will become obvious that all missing links in the bible are found in Noble Qur'aan and it makes undeniable sense. That is why once one explore the Noble Qur'aan with its entirety in almost all cases it is inevitable for him/her to not say the Shahada.
To respond to the second part of question ["If so, then why did the GOD of Islam allow for His Words to get corrupted in the Bible?"] "If so" is hardly the case here, beside that one cannot blame the God [Allaah] The Creator, all Knower, and all Seer of all heavens and earth for allowing His words to be corrupted. Such blame ONLY represents a typical frivolous product liability lawsuit mentality. That will not work in this UNIQUE case, because the God [Allaah], has already replaced the abused and tempered [by human] product with far SUPERIOR [product] the Final Revelation *****THE NOBLE QUR'AAN***** Which by the way is another testament of God's existence that He not only can save His word, but again He can give mankind a chance to correct himself and follow his true word [The Noble Qur'aan] to be saved. Because God [Allah] is the Most Beneficent and Most Merciful.
To answer the last part of question ["or why did He allow for the original copy of the Bible to be lost?"]. Again in this part we see the frivolous product liability lawsuit mentality. Having said that God [Allaah] did not allow [original] copy to be lost. It was the keepers of bible[OT & NT] who tempered it and hide many facts that resulted in current bible not making any sense. Which by the way is also confirmed by God [Allaah] in Noble Qur'aan and I quote:
005.015 YUSUFALI: O people of the Book! There hath come to you our Messenger, revealing to you much that ye used to hide in the Book, and passing over much (that is now unnecessary): There hath come to you from Allah a (new) light and a perspicuous Book, - PICKTHAL: O People of the Scripture! Now hath Our messenger come unto you, expounding unto you much of that which ye used to hide in the Scripture, and forgiving much. now hath come unto you light from Allah and plain Scripture, SHAKIR: O followers of the Book! indeed Our Messenger has come to you making clear to you much of what you concealed of the Book and passing over much; indeed, there has come to you light and a clear Book from Allah;
Followed by God [Allaah] emphasizing in Noble Qur'aan [next verse]:
005.016 YUSUFALI: Wherewith Allah guideth all who seek His good pleasure to ways of peace and safety, and leadeth them out of darkness, by His will, unto the light,- guideth them to a path that is straight. PICKTHAL: Whereby Allah guideth him who seeketh His good pleasure unto paths of peace. He bringeth them out of darkness unto light by His decree, and guideth them unto a straight path. SHAKIR: With it Allah guides him who will follow His pleasure into the ways of safety and brings them out of utter darkness into light by His will and guides them to the right path.
Bottom line is that as question itself indicates by use of [words] "original copy" which is highly inappropriate in this case. However, implication by virtue of question is absurd. Because FORENSIC AND EMPIRICAL RESULTS proves that MASTER COPY [or SOURCE CODE] was never lost nor tempered. It was and it has always been in possession of God [Allaah] the Creator of all heaven and earth. It further proves the existence of ONE and ONLY God [Allaah] the all Knower and all Seer who way ahead foretold to Jews and Christians in OT and NT about the arrival of Prophet Muhammed [saw] and commanded Jews and Christians to follow Prophet Muhammed [saw].
Noble Qur'aan 3:64! Say (O Muhammad SAW): "O people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians): Come to a word that is just between us and you, that we worship none but Allâh, and that we associate no partners with Him, and that none of us shall take others as lords besides Allâh[]. Then, if they turn away, say: "Bear witness that we are Muslims."
Noble Qur'aan 3:85! And whoever seeks a religion other than Islâm, it will never be accepted of him, and in the Hereafter he will be one of the losers[].
Example: If Johnny writes a letter to Marry Joe and saves it. That Marry Joe later edits and/or modify claiming to be original letter by Johnny. That can be proven wrong by Johnny because he got the master copy. So to make Marry Joe looks like a fool and a liar all Johnny has to do is to give another copy of Jean Doe to show the people that she [Marry Joe] is lying. It pretty bad, for Marry Joe, isn't it?
Sultan, I asked Batman a question. Maybe you can answer it. Here it is...................
Batman,
Dude, you don't know what you are talking about! Seriously! I asked you a while ago about the "abrogations" found in the Koran. How come you never answered me? I will ask you again. Why is it that the Koran tells Christians and Jews in Surah 2 that they will be ok as long as they do good works, etc., but then in another Surah, it then says that Islam is the only religion? Why? Why does allah change his mind? According to the Bible, the God says, "I the Lord do not change"...book of Malachi. God doesn't change his word. So why does allah change his? Why? Does that mean that prior to the abrogation of Surah two that Christians and Jews were able to enter the Muslim heaven and have 72 virgins? I mean, before Muhammad said that allah changed his mind, he told Jews and Christians that they were ok, yet he changes..............I don't understand? Acutually I do understand. But i am not here to disrespect you and or anybody here. But when you try to challenge my faith, I have the knowledge to challenge yours. We can go deeper than this simple argument if you want.........Salaam
Please answer my question about your Koran..........If you can't answer my question about the incoherence of the Koran, then don't spew a pseudo-religious ideology about the Bible. Salaam.
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I don't understand the need to slay holy books of others. There is a difference between being passionate about one's religion or faith and being rigid and righteous. All about insecurities I guess.
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[I don't understand the need to slay holy books of others.] becuz this is a debate, Damiana, dont u see the topic name
[ There is a difference between being passionate about one's religion or faith and being rigid and righteous] what's the differnec?
[I will ask you again. Why is it that the Koran tells Christians and Jews in Surah 2 that they will be ok as long as they do good works,]
what's it? let me take a look and i will get you the full tafseer(explaination)
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[Why the need to be argumentative and degrading of others?] this is a forum u understand it
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OMG, why such loooooooong posts? when i see huge posts like that I tend to ignore them
Take my advice... if you want your post to be read & get your point accross...... then please make shorter posts in your own words & with a reference to a link rather than copying & pasting.
I just get lost in a pretty huge thread & i cant read everything
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quote:Originally posted by Chinderella Ideal Stnrd Shower head: OMG, why such loooooooong posts? when i see huge posts like that I tend to ignore them
Take my advice... if you want your post to be read & get your point accross...... then please make shorter posts in your own words & with a reference to a link rather than copying & pasting.
I just get lost in a pretty huge thread & i cant read everything
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quote:Originally posted by Sheikh_Eltawheed(oneness of God):
quote:Originally posted by Chinderella Ideal Stnrd Shower head: OMG, why such loooooooong posts? when i see huge posts like that I tend to ignore them
Take my advice... if you want your post to be read & get your point accross...... then please make shorter posts in your own words & with a reference to a link rather than copying & pasting.
I just get lost in a pretty huge thread & i cant read everything
:confused:ana? betkallemeny ana?
No no...... it's to Sultan....
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all of youz has nothing better to do???? this is what we are good at...
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it is funny that Sultan tries to talk about the Bible, and trys to trample on Christian belief in the trinity, founded upon Scripture(Old and New Testament), yet the Quran is hardly a historical book! The Bible has evidence, proof. It was recorded in the historical past that archealogists dig up and search for, finding evidence, such as the Dead Sea Scrolls, and profane history such as the rise of Tarhakah, pharoah of Kush, recorded in the books of Kings, Chronicles(I think), Isaiah, etc. Hence, it confirms the histories of Assyria and Kush(Egypt) when those two empires warred against one another............
What I am saying is that the Bible is a recorder of historical events. The Quran doesn't come close..........Everyone from the Christians, Jews, PErsians, Sabians, etc., claim that Muhammad simply took from their legends, beliefs, scriptures, etc., and weaved them into a writing we now call the Koran. The Koran is embarrasingly unhistorical. I challenge Batman and Sultan to truly study the Koran to find historical authencity..........you will hardly find it except perhaps in the life of Muhammad. The Bible has been proven to be a historical book. The Koran is NOT the same at all...........Salaam
Hi Israel,
How about the fact that the Bible and the Quran are more than merely books to be compared as to which is the most historical? Both books are believed to contain guidance from Allah therefore it would make sense that they contain replicas and similarities in the content.
A Muslim believes that Allah sent many prophets to deliver his message: 043.006 YUSUFALI: But how many were the prophets We sent amongst the peoples of old?
It stands to reason that if the Prophets of the 3 major religions came from the One God, then the messages would be the same.
In the same Surah we have the ayat:
043.003 YUSUFALI: We have made it a Qur'an in Arabic, that ye may be able to understand (and learn wisdom).
The Quran was originally delivered to the Arab people in the language that they understood, same as the Torah and Injeel were originally sent in the language of the people it was delivered to. Same message, different people and different languages.
I haven't read the posts of Sultan or Batman, however I don't agree with the effort to prove whose book is the right one. You can find tons of information on the net to disprove the authenticity of both books, but it's down to each of us what we want to believe.
“It's all a matter of interpretation, my dear Watson,”
Hey,
whats happening "NotSleepless"? Salaam: peace be upon you. I agree with you. I am not into arguments(though it might seem that way). But many Muslims have a presumption that there is a corruption in Christianity(perhaps not knowing that Christians make the EXACT same charge...). Hence, they read the Bible and then try to tell me and others what it says when they don't know what they are talking about. Hence, starting this summer, I began to read the Surahs(i.e. chapters of the Koran) and Hadith. It is amazing just the little bit that I found.............
What I am trying to say is that when guys on the net try to come like they actually have knowledge, well I spit a little bit of the knowledge that I know, and it neutralizes the attacks they bring against my faith. Batman has yet to address my question. Do you know why? Because he can't............yet he attacks the concept of the Trinity......Now tell me, if you can't DEFEND your own scripture, how do you even dare think that you can try to attack what is sacred to me?
But anyway, I don't want the vibe of this forum to turn into a Christian-Muslim war. Not at all. You respect me and I will respect you. But if these guys want to talk, then I will defend..........There are times though when I might just shut my mouth cause there is no point arguing.......then there are times when the Christ inside of me will rise with boldness.............not threatening, but Jesus said, "The Kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent taketh by force.....".............Now see, I better explain that verse cause a militant "so and so" might think that that is justification for war. It isn't. Jesus said, "The spirit gives life; the flesh counts for nothing. The words I have spoken to you are spirit and they are life..". Hence, Jesus, when speaking about the Kingdom of God, was saying that this is a spiritual war............Selah(meaning: think on these things). Hence, the Christ in me will stand for the faith, period. But Christ loved all, even those who persecuted Him. Hence, I will love all, even those who persecute me. But even as Christ stood, so will I.............
Forgive me for getting "deep". I respect everyone's opinion to believe what they will. Salaam
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quote:Originally posted by sultan.org(In Makka not here ): GOD's stupidity is smarter than all of us?!
1- Paul's blasphemous statement:
Let us read what Paul said in the corrupted Bible:
"For the foolishness of God is wiser than man's wisdom, and the weakness of God is stronger than man's strength. (From the NIV Bible, 1 Corinthians 1:25)"
Let us analyze this foolish and blasphemous verse from Paul:
1- Regardless of how smart and stupid GOD and us humans are, our intelligence will never reach even the stupidity of GOD!
2- GOD is a fool.
3- GOD is weak.
4- Man is more foolish and weaker than GOD.
5- The comparison itself is very insulting and degrading to GOD Almighty. It is also limiting to Him since our finite and limited intelligence and strength were compared to His infinite Attributes.
Now before Christians jump and start telling me what Paul's "real" intentions were, I want to eliminate this nonsense of theirs altogether by telling them that Paul's intentions are not relevant here, even though it is quite obvious that he did INSULT GOD Almighty! So please, hold your horses, sit down, and don't spam my email address with your nonsense. The reason why his intentions are irrelevant, even though he is clearly a blasphemer, is because:
1- I am not discussing Paul's human-words, but rather GOD Almighty's supposed Divine Revelations! I don't care what humans say. I care about what is supposed to be GOD Almighty's Holy and Divine Revelations.
2- The verse above is crystal clear that it is Paul's stupidity that uttered such blasphemous words and not GOD Almighty's Divine Inspirations!
So again, Paul and his intentions are irrelevant here. It is the TEXT that is relevant, and whether or not the Bible is corrupt and altered by men.
But at any rate:
Paul did clearly insult GOD Almighty, and I challenge any polytheist trinitarian pagan to disprove it!
2- "Fool" is a forbidden word by Jesus! Paul clearly contradicted that:
It is truly funny how the word "fool" is forbidden upon Christians to use it against each others, and yet, Paul used it on the Creator of the Universe Himself!
Let us look at what Jesus said:
"But I tell you that anyone who is angry with his brother will be subject to judgment. Again, anyone who says to his brother, 'Raca, ' is answerable to the Sanhedrin. But anyone who says, 'You fool!' will be in danger of the fire of hell. (From the NIV Bible, Matthew 5:22)"
Clearly, Paul contradicted Jesus' own commands by using this forbidden word on the Creator of the Universe Himself, blowing away every argument about him being a true apostle of GOD Almighty!
3- The Arabic Bible translators could not even dare to translate the word accurately!
Advice to Zawadi: Men living in glasshouses shouldn’t pick up stones and throw them at others.
My response:
Our house is not made of glass. It is solid brick! Your house on the other hand, as I demonstrated above, is made from not only glass, but from paper as well where it can be blown away, washed away, and burnt away very quickly and easily.
Your Bible is not only a notorious book in contradictions and man's alterations in it, but it is also a notorious book in X-Rated Pornography, where it declares women's vaginas and breasts taste like "wine". Ironically, there are "variant readings" in that as well.
Also, not only your gospel of porn is notorious in porn and corruption, but it is also notorious in stupidity as Paul declared that GOD Almighty's stupidity is smarter than all of us combined:
"For the foolishness of God is wiser than man's wisdom, and the weakness of God is stronger than man's strength. (From the NIV Bible, 1 Corinthians 1:25)"
Note: Visit Paul's blasphemy and stupidity to see further proofs from GREEK where the most accurate translation of the word is actually STUPIDITY (moro in Greek)!
Ironically, when one reads the Arabic translation of this stupidity and blasphemy, he clearly sees that the liars translated "foolishness" to IGNORANCE (jahalah)! The reason for this is because in Arabic we don't have two words for foolish and stupid. They both mean one word and that is GHABI. Foolishness or stupidity mean GHABA'A. The Arabic translators COULD NOT DARE to use this word in their translations, because the Arabic words ghabi and/or ghaba'a are very offensive words!
To further prove this, let us consider Jesus' own words in the New Testament:
"But I tell you that anyone who is angry with his brother will be subject to judgment. Again, anyone who says to his brother, 'Raca, ' is answerable to the Sanhedrin. But anyone who says, 'You fool!' will be in danger of the fire of hell. (From the NIV Bible, Matthew 5:22)"
Because the word is just way too offensive in the middle east, Jesus himself forbade it upon his followers! The verse is clearly saying that a Christian can not call another Christian "stupid", because the word is so offensive that it would bring the person closer to Hell Fire! That is why Jesus made such a big deal out of the word "fool" or "stupid", because it is just too serious. Yet, Paul used it on GOD Almighty Himself!
At any rate and as we clearly see, even in stupidity, Sam Shamoun's gospel of porn has some very ludicrous "variant readings" between language translations, which are no less than lies, in it, that render it quite absurd and pathetic!
This is quite hilarious indeed!
4- GOD Almighty would never declare such utter nonsense!
To me, GOD Almighty would never say that He has stupidity and weakness in Him. He would never declare that He is a fool! In fact, when we look at the GOD Almighty of the Noble Quran, we clearly and indisputably see a Sovereign and Almighty GOD who is above and beyond everyone. Let us look at what the True and Living GOD Almighty Said in the Noble Quran.
The sub-sections here are:
1- He is the Sovereign LORD over all of the Universe. 2- Do not profane His Holy Name. 3- Regarding Paul and his likes in the Noble Quran.
1- He is the Sovereign LORD over all of the Universe:
"God is He, than Whom there is no other god;- the Sovereign, the Holy One, the Source of Peace (and Perfection), the Guardian of Faith, the Preserver of Safety, the Exalted in Might, the Irresistible, the Supreme: Glory to God! (High is He) above the partners they attribute to Him. (The Noble Quran, 59:23)"
"Whatever is in the heavens and on earth, doth declare the Praises and Glory of God,- the Sovereign, the Holy One, the Exalted in Might, the Wise. (The Noble Quran, 62:1)"
"Say: He is God, the One and Only; God, the Eternal, Absolute; He begetteth not, nor is He begotten; And there is none like unto Him. (The Noble Quran, 112:1-4)"
"The Jews say: "God's hand is tied up." Be their hands tied up and be they accursed for the (blasphemy) they utter. Nay, both His hands are widely outstretched: He giveth and spendeth (of His bounty) as He pleaseth. But the revelation that cometh to thee from God increaseth in most of them their obstinate rebellion and blasphemy. Amongst them we have placed enmity and hatred till the Day of Judgment. Every time they kindle the fire of war, God doth extinguish it; but they (ever) strive to do mischief on earth. And God loveth not those who do mischief. (The Noble Quran, 5:64)"
2- Do not profane His Holy Name:
"Revile not ye those whom they call upon besides God, lest they out of spite revile God in their ignorance. Thus have We made alluring to each people its own doings. In the end will they return to their Lord, and We shall then tell them the truth of all that they did. (The Noble Quran, 6:108)"
"The most beautiful names belong to God: so call on him by them; but shun such men as use profanity in his names: for what they do, they will soon be requited. (The Noble Quran, 7:180)"
"Already has He sent you Word in the Book, that when ye hear the signs of God held in defiance and ridicule, ye are not to sit with them unless they turn to a different theme: if ye did, ye would be like them. For God will collect the hypocrites and those who defy faith - all in Hell:- (The Noble Quran, 4:140)"
"When thou seest men engaged in vain discourse about Our signs, turn away from them unless they turn to a different theme. If Satan ever makes thee forget, then after recollection, sit not thou in the company of those who do wrong. (The Noble Quran, 6:68)"
"And make not God's (name) an excuse in your oaths against doing good, or acting rightly, or making peace between persons; for God is One Who heareth and knoweth all things. (The Noble Quran, 2:224)"
"God! there is no god but He! To Him belong the most Beautiful Names. (The Noble Quran, 20:8)"
"He is God, the Creator, the Evolver, the Bestower of Forms (or Colours). To Him belong the Most Beautiful Names: whatever is in the heavens and on earth, doth declare His Praises and Glory: and He is the Exalted in Might, the Wise. (The Noble Quran, 59:24)"
"He is God, the Creator, the Evolver, the Bestower of Forms (or Colours). To Him belong the Most Beautiful Names: whatever is in the heavens and on earth, doth declare His Praises and Glory: and He is the Exalted in Might, the Wise. (The Noble Quran, 59:24)"
They are 99 Holy Names and Attributes.
3- Regarding Paul and his likes:
"Then woe to those who write the Book with their own hands, and then say:"This is from God," to traffic with it for miserable price!- Woe to them for what their hands do write, and for the gain they make thereby. (The Noble Quran, 2:79)"
"Who can be more wicked than one who inventeth a lie against God, or saith, "I have received inspiration," when he hath received none, or (again) who saith, "I can reveal the like of what God hath revealed"? If thou couldst but see how the wicked (do fare) in the flood of confusion at death! - the angels stretch forth their hands, (saying),"Yield up your souls: this day shall ye receive your reward,- a penalty of shame, for that ye used to tell lies against God, and scornfully to reject of His signs!" (The Noble Quran, 6:93)"
"O ye who believe! If ye listen to a faction among the People of the Book, they would (indeed) render you apostates after ye have believed! (The Noble Quran, 3:100)"
"O ye who believe! Fear God as He should be feared, and die not except in a state of Islam. (The Noble Quran, 3:102)"
"O ye who believe! Take not into your intimacy those outside your ranks: They will not fail to corrupt you. They only desire your ruin: Rank hatred has already appeared from their mouths: What their hearts conceal is far worse. We have made plain to you the Signs, if ye have wisdom. (The Noble Quran, 3:118)"
5- Conclusion:
I hope this article has clearly demonstrated and proven that Paul is no more than a liar who was deceived by satan. There is no question that the Bible had been altered by men's lies, and it is indeed a corrupted book! Calling GOD Almighty a "fool" and "weak" is clear blasphemy! Anyone who argues against this becomes as blasphemous as Paul himself.
Paul, the liar, thought he was giving a proverb; a wisdom. He didn't realize that his lie of claiming to be an apostle from GOD Almighty ended here, and that he has exposed himself very badly with this blasphemous "proverb" of his.
The stupidity of GOD is smarter than all of us combined?! Give me a break!!
Do we have to praise GOD Almighty through insulting Him??
By the way, Paul did in the past call disbelievers, who are supposedly doomed to Hell, as "holy men"! Please visit: www.answering-christianity.com/baptism_rebuttal.htm and see my rebuttal to Sam Shamoun and how I have exposed his deceptive methods and the absurdity of Paul and the New Testament.
Truly, the gospel of porn (the book of women's vaginas and breasts taste like "wine") is a corrupt book that was inspired by satan. May He, the Almighty, burn that liar and blasphemer, Paul, in Hell for Eternity! Ameen.
corrupted bible. i see that. they say that prophets commit adultery?
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quote:Originally posted by loveforever: yes you are doing these in your jails in Egypt,Syria,Iran...etc with Muslims and Non-muslims it became no difference now
Jesus said before take care from false prophets who will com after me in sheep clothes but they are wolves from inside, from their fruits you will know them .
you can read this file to know the fruits, may be you can see the truth once day.
Just tell me what fruit did christianity offered to the world, is in it the crusaide and the inquisition, we have a better record than yours we have always developed human nature to the best, such behavior happens in any society, but comparing the education and knowledge for sure our society is much more civilized than it would be compared to any other mal-cultured societies, pagan or christian ones .. Just don't through stones when your home is made from glass. Actually don't through stones to a brick wall when your home is made solely from glass.
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I hope you don't get exalted over these 'war' of words Bibo, there is just no honour, understanding or anything holy in bashing each others religion.
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quote:Just tell me what fruit did christianity offered to the world, is in it the crusaide and the inquisition, we have a better record than yours we have always developed human nature to the best
when we are talking about this standard that Jesus put to examine the false prophet then we have to apply it on the teaching of the prophet and what the religion is teaching the followers to do.
When you check the Gospel/Injeel you will not find anything inciting to kill or fighting in wars against anybody but unlike that you will find Jesus teaching to love your enemy and to bless who cursing you and I think you have debated with so many before and you are fully aware about what inside the Gospel and the teaching about the love and the peaceful.
Then when you talking about the cross crusade was the fruits of Christianity it means you are cheating yourself first and your Muslims readers second.
Because you are aware that who did these wars they were not following the teaching of Jesus and the cross that was putting on their banners was not a sign of war but was a sign of redemption and the sacrifice of Jesus for others,then it's clear that they put the cross for their desires only and to give their wars the religion colour
Therefore your example is fully wrong because is not related to Jesus's teaching.
And when you talk that you have developed human natures Just give me one example from the Muslims country surrounding us and to check how their citizens are living and how they are treated from their dictator's governments
so now would you like to talk about Quran and Mohamed's teaching to check if Muslims is following the teaching of their prophet or not?
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I am sure both Christians and Muslems added to knowledge and prosperity of mankind. This remark about the fruits is just helping in deciding if something is to the benefit or not in all sort of situations. And then change your ways. Not demonize.
quote:Originally posted by loveforever: when we are talking about this standard that Jesus put to examine the false prophet then we have to apply it on the teaching of the prophet and what the religion is teaching the followers to do.
WHERE IS THOSE STANDARDS? THOSE IN THE BOOK OF VAGINAS AND BREASTS LIKE WINE. OR THOSE THAT IN WHIHC POAUL INSULTS gOD SAYING GOD IS STUPID
quote: When you check the Gospel/Injeel you will not find anything inciting to kill or fighting in wars against anybody but unlike that you will find Jesus teaching to love your enemy
lOVE THE ENEMY AND LET HIM KILL YOU. DONT DEFEND YOURSELF
quote: not following the teaching of Jesus
HOW CAN U KNOW IF THE IS FOLLOWING OF JESUS OR NOT IF U DONT HAVE ANY CREDIBLE AUTHENTIC BOOK. R U NOT CHEATER? U DONT EVER NO THE TRUTH ABOUT jESUS TEACHING? YOU BOOK IS EDITED AND EVERY ONE READ THE ABOVE LONG ARGUMENTS WILL GET IT EASILY
quote:Just give me one example from the Muslims country surrounding us and to check how their citizens are living and how they are treated from their dictator's governments
YOU REPLIED TO YOURSELF WHEN U SAID ABOUT THE CRUSADE WAR " not following the teaching of Jesus"
MUSLIMS DONT FOLLOW THE TEACHING OF GOD
quote: so now would you like to talk about Quran and Mohamed's teaching to check if Muslims is following the teaching of their prophet or not?
YES I WOULD LIKE TO BUT BEFORE YOU REPLY TO THE ABOVE INSULTING OF GOD IN THE ABOVE ARGUMENT OF SULTAN. U CALL GOD STUPID
quote: Note that our homes are from the steel that christians discovered and Manufactured not from the glass that we also discovered
YOUR BOOK IS A MIX OF ADULTERY AND LIES ANY ONE CAN GET IT EASILY
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quote:I am sure both Christians and Muslems added to knowledge and prosperity of mankind.
I do not hate Muslims or Islam Demiana But what I hate is their desire to impose their traditions of Islam on everyone like in Saudi or Iran, their idea that their religion is the right one and the others is wrong and corrupted, their opinion about Christians that all of them are worshipping three Gods and they will go to hell, their attempts to stop the free pens for saying their opinions about Mohamed and Islam.
Their ancient rules that most of Muslims bored of them, this is why they are trying to immigrate to Christians lands for freedom and to escape from their tragedies
In their Quran they are challenging anyone to bring a verse looks like Quran and if anyone tried that, they are killing him as a blasphemer by cold blood.
We are not arguing with Hindus or Buddhists because they didn't attribute their religions with the previous ones, saying that it abrogated the previous creeds, and we didn't hear about Hindu or Sikh exploded himself in a bus or restaurant
But the problem of Islam and Mohamed that he used the previous religion's stories to confirm his claim that he is the seal and his religion is the right one.
So Muslims have to stand the discussions with Christians and Jewish because they have choosed to stick with them forever
Note the steel is not discovered by Christians I was just kidding.
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"But what I hate is their desire to impose their traditions of Islam on everyone like in Saudi or Iran, their idea that their religion is the right one and the others is wrong and corrupted, their opinion about Christians that all of them are worshipping three Gods and they will go to hell, their attempts to stop the free pens for saying their opinions about Mohamed and Islam."
I am sure if not already there are a lot of muslems (for sure some of the elder generations) that will come back from this considering the results. Some just like to hang out Islamism to feel good, just insecurities. I am sure it can be pretty annoying.
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[In their Quran they are challenging anyone to bring a verse looks like Quran and if anyone tried that, they are killing him as a blasphemer by cold blood.]
GET A VERSE LIKE QURAN HERE, WE WILL NOT KILL YOU.
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quote:Originally posted by Demiana: "But what I hate is their desire to impose their traditions of Islam on everyone like in Saudi or Iran, their idea that their religion is the right one and the others is wrong and corrupted, their opinion about Christians that all of them are worshipping three Gods and they will go to hell, their attempts to stop the free pens for saying their opinions about Mohamed and Islam."
I am sure if not already there are a lot of muslems (for sure some of the elder generations) that will come back from this considering the results. Some just like to hang out Islamism to feel good, just insecurities. I am sure it can be pretty annoying.
PLZ DONT GET AWAY FROM THE DISCUSIION. YOUR BOOK INSULT God saying he is stupid the above argument of Sultan any comments?
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"[ There is a difference between being passionate about one's religion or faith and being rigid and righteous] what's the differnec?"
Make this question of yours the priority in your search for knowledge and you will know.
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quote:"For the foolishness of God is wiser than man's wisdom, and the weakness of God is stronger than man's strength. (From the NIV Bible, 1 Corinthians 1:25)"
Do you think that Paul was preaching and worshiping stupid God and was preaching that to the people around the world? Is not funny what you want to prove?
First this was mentioned in the message of Paul to Corinthians people.
Paul was talking about the stupidity of the Jewish and the Greek for their thinking about how the death of Jesus on the cross will give them the salvation?
They thought that this is a foolishness from God to do that. Paul used their way and told them that even if they think that this a foolishness from God it will be wisdom than their thinking.
I think this may give a good answer or you will be like the Jewish and the Greek my friend?
Isn't mentioned in Quran that God is cunning and sly?
quote:WHERE IS THOSE STANDARDS? THOSE IN THE BOOK OF VAGINAS AND BREASTS LIKE WINE
ok give us an examples instead of talking without understanding
quote:YOUR BOOK IS A MIX OF ADULTERY AND LIES ANY ONE CAN GET IT EASILY
so tell us the lies and then corrected by the truth you know
quote:MUSLIMS DONT FOLLOW THE TEACHING OF GOD
No they are following the teaching of Mohamed in hating non muslims, killing them if they said their opinions, get married more than one wife as they can as long as they keeping them under five and many many teaching no need to talk about them now or giving you the verses from Quran,you know and we know.
quote:GET A VERSE LIKE QURAN HERE, WE WILL NOT KILL YOU.
You want the verses in Arabic or English!!!!! Anyway there is well known book called True Furqan you can find both Arabic and English verses and had been written in seven days not twenty three years like Quran
You can read it in this link and you will find how much easily for anyone good in Arabic language and the grammar to do one.
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ROFL, Thet took some word of some stuff oF QUran and adding of lots of weird stuff. I think the author of this book dont understand what ther are writing. they wrote some weird stuff illogcal stuff. it doesnt have any new meaning by the way.
quote: Do you think that Paul was preaching and worshiping stupid God and was preaching that to the people around the world? Is not funny what you want to prove?
First this was mentioned in the message of Paul to Corinthians people.
Paul was talking about the stupidity of the Jewish and the Greek for their thinking about how the death of Jesus on the cross will give them the salvation?
They thought that this is a foolishness from God to do that. Paul used their way and told them that even if they think that this a foolishness from God it will be wisdom than their thinking.
I think this may give a good answer or you will be like the Jewish and the Greek my friend?
Isn't mentioned in Quran that God is cunning and sly?
"But I tell you that anyone who is angry with his brother will be subject to judgment. Again, anyone who says to his brother, 'Raca, ' is answerable to the Sanhedrin. But anyone who says, 'You fool!' will be in danger of the fire of hell. (From the NIV Bible, Matthew 5:22)"
Paul in fire?
Posts: 2728 | From: جمهورية مصر العربية | Registered: Sep 2006
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"For the foolishness of God is wiser than man's wisdom, and the weakness of God is stronger than man's strength. (From the NIV Bible, 1 Corinthians 1:25)"
Let us analyze this foolish and blasphemous verse from Paul:
1- Regardless of how smart and stupid GOD and us humans are, our intelligence will never reach even the stupidity of GOD!
2- GOD is a fool.
3- GOD is weak.
4- Man is more foolish and weaker than GOD.
5- The comparison itself is very insulting and degrading to GOD Almighty. It is also limiting to Him since our finite and limited intelligence and strength were compared to His infinite Attributes.
Posts: 2728 | From: جمهورية مصر العربية | Registered: Sep 2006
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To me, GOD Almighty would never say that He has stupidity and weakness in Him. He would never declare that He is a fool! In fact, when we look at the GOD Almighty of the Noble Quran, we clearly and indisputably see a Sovereign and Almighty GOD who is above and beyond everyone. Let us look at what the True and Living GOD Almighty Said in the Noble Quran.
The sub-sections here are:
1- He is the Sovereign LORD over all of the Universe. 2- Do not profane His Holy Name. 3- Regarding Paul and his likes in the Noble Quran.
what about the porn in bible and the wine like breasts and vaginas?
Posts: 2728 | From: جمهورية مصر العربية | Registered: Sep 2006
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To the Christian and Muslim extremists on this thread, a few facts:
Your religion's view of God is exactly that, your religion's view of God.
Followers of Christianity choose to follow a faith that is true and real to them . Muslims choose to follow a faith that is true and real to them .
Why do you continue to bash each other over the head with holy books? Do you think 'God' would be proud of those behaving so badly? Do you feel 'God' would be pleased that you treat each other with such disdain? After all, YOU believe 'God' created all of humanity. Do you also believe that 'God' would sanction human beings behaving so piously, while rebutting the religious views of others?
To those of you who behave respectfully and reasonably, you are a credit to your 'God'. The remaining nutters should analyse what 'God' wants with your hearts, as words confuse you.
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Still avoiding me????????? I'm talking to you ElTawheed.........you still haven't answered my questions.........ah, I understand, cause you are unarmed..............I understand. So you pick on the sweet soul of Demiana instead, huh? What a shame. Salaam
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[Followers of Christianity choose to follow a faith that is true and real to them . Muslims choose to follow a faith that is true and real to them .]
yes fire is for those who worship 3 Gods heavens r for the believer of the one God Muslims choose the paradise christian chose the hell is that what u mean?
Posts: 2728 | From: جمهورية مصر العربية | Registered: Sep 2006
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quote:ROFL, Thet took some word of some stuff oF QUran and adding of lots of weird stuff. I think the author of this book dont understand what ther are writing. they wrote some weird stuff illogcal stuff.
First – have you read the challenge verse in Quran carefully? You will find that it challenging who can bring one verse looks like Quran,
So if they took some staff from Quran,it won't be strange because this is the challenge of the verse.
And what you should know that they didn't get anything from Quran but they used only words from the Arabic language, because Quran didn't invent new words but it were available in the Arabic language and many words from another languages also and the desert local dialect too.
Second- What is your standard to judge the text if it's from God or not? Can you give us any proof?
Third- You have said that the Author wrote some illogical stuff… How you can explain to us the most weird letters alphabet in the first of some Verses in Quran like K,H,A,S can you you tell us what the miracle in these strange letters and what the benefit for the Muslims when they read them.
quote:Paul in fire?
Ok if Paul in the fire Can you tell us if any Muslim did everything mentioned in Islam perfectly can he guarantees going to the paradise?!!!
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