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If you don't like what's being said...you don't have to keep reading what he writes. Truth is myriad and Batman's idea of truth in his religious beliefs are the One Truth for him. It doesn't mean he is right and it doesn't mean he is wrong. We are all free to believe what we want and instead of getting all worked up over his posts;just ignore them.
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quote:Originally posted by Sheikh_Eltawheed(oneness of God): [you still haven't answered my questions]
i asked u about the verse, dude. get it here.
dude am armed. u r not
[Followers of Christianity choose to follow a faith that is true and real to them . Muslims choose to follow a faith that is true and real to them .]
yes fire is for those who worship 3 Gods heavens r for the believer of the one God Muslims choose the paradise christian chose the hell is that what u mean?
Ok, lets call a spade a spade...........you know what, for the sake of Muslims whom I respect on this forum I will not get ugly with you.............Why should I? The truth is that you, I, and everyone needs the salvation that Jesus Christ offers.........only the blood of Jesus, the Lamb of God, will cleanse your soul Batman............That is the gospel in a nutshell. The truth of it stands on firm foundation which will never be shaken. Jesus Christ proclaimed the gospel of the Kingdom. He didn't kill anyone, yet Muhammad killed people. Jesus said you can tell a tree by its fruit. Jesus Christ willingly gave His life for the salvation of others, yet "others" killed people to force people to worship according to a "new" religion...........You need Jesus Christ Batman. God bless you. If I don't bless you, then I would use my tongue wickedly. Well Satan won't get the best of me tonight. THe Lord God bless you and keep you. Salaam
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quote:Originally posted by Sapna: If you don't like what's being said...you don't have to keep reading what he writes. Truth is myriad and Batman's idea of truth in his religious beliefs are the One Truth for him. It doesn't mean he is right and it doesn't mean he is wrong. We are all free to believe what we want and instead of getting all worked up over his posts;just ignore them.
are you talking to me
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quote:Originally posted by Sapna: If you don't like what's being said...you don't have to keep reading what he writes. Truth is myriad and Batman's idea of truth in his religious beliefs are the One Truth for him. It doesn't mean he is right and it doesn't mean he is wrong. We are all free to believe what we want and instead of getting all worked up over his posts;just ignore them.
Your right Sapna...... Posts: 3128 | From: Not Your Heaven | Registered: Sep 2006
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quote:Originally posted by Sapna: If you don't like what's being said...you don't have to keep reading what he writes. Truth is myriad and Batman's idea of truth in his religious beliefs are the One Truth for him. It doesn't mean he is right and it doesn't mean he is wrong. We are all free to believe what we want and instead of getting all worked up over his posts;just ignore them.
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loveforever jews did not curcified Him it was the roman... secondly the God came here to be crucified and THAT was the purpose of his coming.
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quote:loveforever jews did not curcified Him it was the roman... secondly the God came here to be crucified and THAT was the purpose of his coming.
And why the Romans crucified Jesus, was not a respond for the Jewish request who asked Bilates the Romanian governor that time to kill him because Jesus claimed the equality with God.
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Now Batman, how can you say its a hoax? How are others to know that what you post is real and not fiction?
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Again, I ask...can you show me accurate proof from a reliable source without the personal rhetoric from you?
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YOU ASKED ME YESTERDAY TO TELL YOU ABOUT MY CREED AS A MUSLIM SUNNI RELATED TO THE PROPHET MUHAMMED CREED WHICH WAS THE SAME LIKE THE PROPHET JESUS WHICH WAS THE SAME LIKE PROPEHT MOSES( BUT YOU WON'T GET THAT AFTER THE CORRUPTION OF THE BIBLE)
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Actually, I understand just fine. But, you didn't get my previous question. I wasn't questioning your previous posts or your creed. If you look back to see my previous post, I asked you to refute Loveforever's argument. I asked you to give a reliable source from that.
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again love forever,,, the killing was pilates did not want to do it go back to the bible... and again.. no one would have crucified him should he not wanted to be done... he came to be CRUCIFIED it was his purpose his duty and God's will. Case closed. Who believe differently is wrong.
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quote:Originally posted by Batman , discovering lies:
quote:How are others to know that what you post is real and not fiction?
what kind of Question is that?
i get your real verses from your book contradictiong each other.
I dont understand how u still believe your book is not corrupted
how can u take ur creed about God from a corrupted book?
if you take your creed from a corrupted book, then u have a corrupted creed
that is clear like crystal to al people reading my posts
batman... isnt it true that is the coran book also text contradicting each other such as what they call "na2ti ba2ayaten bemeslaha aw khayran menha" does that mean that the first aya that god sent is not as good as the secomd one does that mean that the coran is corrupted???? rag3 shwaya ma3loumatak
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Batman, you need the blood of Jesus Christ to cleanse you. Don't let the spirit of the Pharisees get a hold of you.............Salaam.
P.S.-Many Christians believe that Muhammad was a false prophet...............Now, I didn't put that in your face, did I Batman? Did I ever say that to you? No, I didn't. So, for now on, be resepectful. Christians do not worship three gods. That is IGNORANCE, pure and simple. Ignorance that was probably taught to you by your local Imam who never read the Bible in the first place............If you do not wish for allah spokensman to be downcasted, then don't blashpheme my precious Lord. Shukran(thanks). Salaam
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quote:Originally posted by Batman , discovering lies:
quote:How are others to know that what you post is real and not fiction?
what kind of Question is that?
i get your real verses from your book contradictiong each other.
I dont understand how u still believe your book is not corrupted
how can u take ur creed about God from a corrupted book?
if you take your creed from a corrupted book, then u have a corrupted creed
that is clear like crystal to al people reading my posts
batman... isnt it true that is the coran book also text contradicting each other such as what they call "na2ti ba2ayaten bemeslaha aw khayran menha" does that mean that the first aya that god sent is not as good as the secomd one does that mean that the coran is corrupted???? rag3 shwaya ma3loumatak
let's see the interpretation of the verse
الأية ( ما ننسخ من أية أو ننسها نأتي بخير منها أو مثلها)سورة البقرة
God change some order for example the wine was legal then God banned It. God banned it for our sake.
God is wise because he didnt ban it in the begininng.
This is not like what is in the bible. let's see some errors in your book
1. Who incited David to count the fighting men of Israel?
God did (2 Samuel 24: 1) Satan did (I Chronicles 2 1:1) 2. In that count how many fighting men were found in Israel?
Eight hundred thousand (2 Samuel 24:9) One million, one hundred thousand (I Chronicles 21:5) 3. How many fighting men were found in Judah?
Five hundred thousand (2 Samuel 24:9) Four hundred and seventy thousand (I Chronicles 21:5) 4. God sent his prophet to threaten David with how many years of famine?
Seven (2 Samuel 24:13) Three (I Chronicles 21:12) 5. How old was Ahaziah when he began to rule over Jerusalem?
Twenty-two (2 Kings 8:26) Forty-two (2 Chronicles 22:2) 6. How old was Jehoiachin when he became king of Jerusalem?
Eighteen (2 Kings 24:8) Eight (2 Chronicles 36:9) 7. How long did he rule over Jerusalem?
Three months (2 Kings 24:8) Three months and ten days (2 Chronicles 36:9) 8. The chief of the mighty men of David lifted up his spear and killed how many men at one time?
Eight hundred (2 Samuel 23:8) Three hundred (I Chronicles 11: 11) 9. When did David bring the Ark of the Covenant to Jerusalem? Before defeating the Philistines or after?
After (2 Samuel 5 and 6) Before (I Chronicles 13 and 14) 10. How many pairs of clean animals did God tell Noah to take into the Ark?
Two (Genesis 6:19, 20) Seven (Genesis 7:2). But despite this last instruction only two pairs went into the ark (Genesis 7:8-9) 11. When David defeated the King of Zobah, how many horsemen did he capture?
One thousand and seven hundred (2 Samuel 8:4) Seven thousand (I Chronicles 18:4) 12. How many stalls for horses did Solomon have?
Forty thousand (I Kings 4:26) Four thousand (2 chronicles 9:25) 13. In what year of King Asa's reign did Baasha, King of Israel die?
Twenty-sixth year (I Kings 15:33 - 16:8) Still alive in the thirty-sixth year (2 Chronicles 16:1) 14. How many overseers did Solomon appoint for the work of building the temple?
Three thousand six hundred (2 Chronicles 2:2) Three thousand three hundred (I Kings 5:16) 15. Solomon built a facility containing how many baths?
Two thousand (1 Kings 7:26) Over three thousand (2 Chronicles 4:5) 16. Of the Israelites who were freed from the Babylonian captivity, how many were the children of Pahrath-Moab?
Two thousand eight hundred and twelve (Ezra 2:6) Two thousand eight hundred and eighteen (Nehemiah 7:11) 17. How many were the children of Zattu?
Nine hundred and forty-five (Ezra 2:8) Eight hundred and forty-five (Nehemiah 7:13) 18. How many were the children of Azgad?
One thousand two hundred and twenty-two (Ezra 2:12) Two thousand three hundred and twenty-two (Nehemiah 7:17) 19. How many were the children of Adin?
Four hundred and fifty-four (Ezra 2:15) Six hundred and fifty-five (Nehemiah 7:20) 20. How many were the children of Hashum?
Two hundred and twenty-three (Ezra 2:19) Three hundred and twenty-eight (Nehemiah 7:22) 21. How many were the children of Bethel and Ai?
Two hundred and twenty-three (Ezra 2:28) One hundred and twenty-three (Nehemiah 7:32) 22. Ezra 2:64 and Nehemiah 7:66 agree that the total number of the whole assembly was 42,360. Yet the numbers do not add up to anything close. The totals obtained from each book is as follows:
29,818 (Ezra) 31,089 (Nehemiah) 23. How many singers accompanied the assembly?
Two hundred (Ezra 2:65) Two hundred and forty-five (Nehemiah 7:67) 24. What was the name of King Abijahs mother?
Michaiah, daughter of Uriel of Gibeah (2 Chronicles 13:2) Maachah, daughter of Absalom (2 Chronicles 11:20) But Absalom had only one daughter whose name was Tamar (2 Samuel 14:27) 25. Did Joshua and the Israelites capture Jerusalem?
Yes (Joshua 10:23, 40) No (Joshua 15:63) 26. Who was the father of Joseph, husband of Mary?
Jacob (Matthew 1:16) Hell (Luke 3:23) 27. Jesus descended from which son of David?
Solomon (Matthew 1:6) Nathan(Luke3:31) 28. Who was the father of Shealtiel?
Jechoniah (Matthew 1:12) Neri (Luke 3:27) 29. Which son of Zerubbabel was an ancestor of Jesus Christ?
Abiud (Matthew 1: 13) Rhesa (Luke 3:27) But the seven sons of Zerubbabel are as follows: i.Meshullam, ii. Hananiah, iii. Hashubah, iv. Ohel, v.Berechiah, vi. Hasadiah, viii. Jushabhesed (I Chronicles 3:19, 20). The names Abiud and Rhesa do not fit in anyway. 30. Who was the father of Uzziah?
Joram (Matthew 1:8) Amaziah (2 Chronicles 26:1) 31. Who was the father of Jechoniah?
Josiah (Matthew 1:11) Jeholakim (I Chronicles 3:16) 32. How many generations were there from the Babylonian exile until Christ?
Matthew says fourteen (Matthew 1:17) But a careful count of the generations reveals only thirteen (see Matthew 1: 12-16) 33. Who was the father of Shelah?
Cainan (Luke 3:35-36) Arphaxad (Genesis II: 12) 34. Was John the Baptist Elijah who was to come?
Yes (Matthew II: 14, 17:10-13) No (John 1:19-21) 35. Would Jesus inherit Davids throne?
Yes. So said the angel (Luke 1:32) No, since he is a descendant of Jehoiakim (see Matthew 1: I 1, I Chronicles 3:16). And Jehoiakim was cursed by God so that none of his descendants can sit upon Davids throne (Jeremiah 36:30) 36. Jesus rode into Jerusalem on how many animals?
One - a colt (Mark 11:7; cf Luke 19:3 5). And they brought the colt to Jesus and threw their garments on it; and he sat upon it. Two - a colt and an ass (Matthew 21:7). They brought the ass and the colt and put their garments on them and he sat thereon. 37. How did Simon Peter find out that Jesus was the Christ?
By a revelation from heaven (Matthew 16:17) His brother Andrew told him (John 1:41) 38. Where did Jesus first meet Simon Peter and Andrew?
By the sea of Galilee (Matthew 4:18-22) On the banks of river Jordan (John 1:42). After that, Jesus decided to go to Galilee (John 1:43) 39. When Jesus met Jairus was Jairus daughter already dead?
Yes. Matthew 9:18 quotes him as saying, My daughter has just died. No. Mark 5:23 quotes him as saying, My little daughter is at the point of death. 40. Did Jesus allow his disciples to keep a staff on their journey?
Yes (Mark 6:8) No (Matthew 10:9; Luke 9:3) 41. Did Herod think that Jesus was John the Baptist?
Yes (Matthew 14:2; Mark 6:16) No (Luke 9:9) 42. Did John the Baptist recognize Jesus before his baptism?
Yes (Matthew 3:13-14) No (John 1:32,33) 43. Did John the Baptist recognize Jesus after his baptism?
Yes (John 1:32, 33) No (Matthew 11:2) 44. According to the Gospel of John, what did Jesus say about bearing his own witness?
If I bear witness to myself, my testimony is not true (John 5:3 1) Even if I do bear witness to myself, my testimony is true (John 8:14) 45. When Jesus entered Jerusalem did he cleanse the temple that same day?
Yes (Matthew 21:12) No. He went into the temple and looked around, but since it was very late he did nothing. Instead, he went to Bethany to spend the night and returned the next morning to cleanse the temple (Mark I 1:1- 17) 46. The Gospels say that Jesus cursed a fig tree. Did the tree wither at once?
Yes. (Matthew 21:19) No. It withered overnight (Mark II: 20) 47. Did Judas kiss Jesus?
Yes (Matthew 26:48-50) No. Judas could not get close enough to Jesus to kiss him (John 18:3-12) 48. What did Jesus say about Peters denial?
The cock will not crow till you have denied me three times (John 13:38) Before the cock crows twice you will deny me three times (Mark 14:30) . When the cock crowed once, the three denials were not yet complete (see Mark 14:72). Therefore prediction (a) failed. 49. Did Jesus bear his own cross?
Yes (John 19:17) No (Matthew 27:31-32) 50. Did Jesus die before the curtain of the temple was torn?
Yes (Matthew 27:50-51; Mark lS:37-38) No. After the curtain was torn, then Jesus crying with a loud voice, said, Father, into thy hands I commit my spirit! And having said this he breathed his last (Luke 23:45-46) 51. Did Jesus say anything secretly?
No. I have said nothing secretly (John 18:20) Yes. He did not speak to them without a parable, but privately to his own disciples he explained everything (Mark 4:34). The disciples asked him Why do you speak to them in parables? He said, To you it has been given to know the secrets of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it has not been given (Matthew 13: 1 0-11) 52. Where was Jesus at the sixth hour on the day of the crucifixion?
On the cross (Mark 15:23) In Pilates court (John 19:14) 53. The gospels say that two thieves were crucified along with Jesus. Did both thieves mock Jesus?
Yes (Mark 15:32) No. One of them mocked Jesus, the other defended Jesus (Luke 23:43) 54. Did Jesus ascend to Paradise the same day of the crucifixion?
Yes. He said to the thief who defended him, Today you will be with me in Paradise (Luke 23:43) No. He said to Mary Magdelene two days later, I have not yet ascended to the Father (John 20:17) 55. When Paul was on the road to Damascus he saw a light and heard a voice. Did those who were with him hear the voice?
Yes (Acts9:7) No (Acts22:9) 56. When Paul saw the light he fell to the ground. Did his traveling companions also fall to the ground?
Yes (Acts 26:14) No (Acts 9:7) 57. Did the voice spell out on the spot what Pauls duties were to be?
Yes (Acts 26:16-18) No. The voice commanded Paul to go into the city of Damascus and there he will be told what he must do. (Acts9:7;22: 10) 58. When the Israelites dwelt in Shittin they committed adultery with the daughters of Moab. God struck them with a plague. How many people died in that plague?
Twenty-four thousand (Numbers 25:1 and 9) Twenty-three thousand (I Corinthians 10:8) 59. How many members of the house of Jacob came to Egypt?
Seventy souls (Genesis 4 & 27) Seventy-five souls (Acts 7:14) 60. What did Judas do with the blood money he received for betraying Jesus?
He bought a field (Acts 1: 18) He threw all of it into the temple and went away. The priests could not put the blood money into the temple treasury, so they used it to buy a field to bury strangers (Matthew 27:5) 61. How did Judas die?
After he threw the money into the temple he went away and hanged himself (Matthew 27:5) After he bought the field with the price of his evil deed he fell headlong and burst open in the middle and all his bowels gushed out (Acts 1:18) 62. Why is the field called Field of Blood?
Because the priests bought it with the blood money (Matthew 27:8) Because of the bloody death of Judas therein (Acts 1:19) 63. Who is a ransom for whom?
The Son of Man came...to give his life as a ransom for many (Mark 10:45). Christ Jesus who gave himself as a ransom for all... (I Timothy 2:5-6) The wicked is a ransom for the righteous, and the faithless for the upright (Proverbs 21:18) 64. Is the law of Moses useful?
Yes. All scripture is... profitable... (2 Timothy 3:16) No. . . . A former commandment is set aside because of its weakness and uselessness... (Hebrews 7:18) 65. What was the exact wording on the cross?
This is Jesus the King of the Jews (Matthew 27:37) The King of the Jews (Mark 15:26) This is the King of the Jews (Luke 23:38) Jesus of Nazareth, the King of the Jews (John 19:19) 66. Did Herod want to kill John the Baptist?
Yes (Matthew 14:5) No. It was Herodias, the wife of Herod who wanted to kill him. But Herod knew that he was a righteous man and kept him safe (Mark 6:20) 67. Who was the tenth disciple of Jesus in the list of twelve?
Thaddaeus (Matthew 10: 1-4; Mark 3:13 -19) Judas son of James is the corresponding name in Lukes gospel (Luke 6:12-16) 68. Jesus saw a man sitat the tax collectors office and called him to be his disciple. What was his name?
Matthew (Matthew 9:9) Levi (Mark 2:14; Luke 5:27) 69. Was Jesus crucified on the daytime before the Passover meal or the daytime after?
After (Mark 14:12-17) Before. Before the feast of the Passover (John 1) Judas went out at night (John 13:30). The other disciples thought he was going out to buy supplies to prepare for the Passover meal (John 13:29). When Jesus was arrested, the Jews did not enter Pilates judgment hail because they wanted to stay clean to eat the Passover (John 18:28). When the judgment was pronounced against Jesus, it was about the sixth hour on the day of Preparation for the Passover (John 19:14) 70. Did Jesus pray to The Father to prevent the crucifixion?
Yes. (Matthew 26:39; Mark 14:36; Luke 22:42) No. (John 12:27) 71. In the gospels which say that Jesus prayed to avoid the cross, how many times did he move away from his disciples to pray?
Three (Matthew 26:36-46 and Mark 14:32-42) One. No opening is left for another two times. (Luke 22:39-46) 72. Matthew and Mark agree that Jesus went away and prayed three times. What were the words of the second prayer?
Mark does not give the words but he says that the words were the same as the first prayer (Mark 14:3 9) Matthew gives us the words, and we can see that they are not the same as in the first (Matthew 26:42) 73. What did the centurion say when Jesus dies?
Certainly this man was innocent (Luke 23:47) Truly this man was the Son of God (Mark 15:39) 74. When Jesus said My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken Me ? in what language did he speak?
Hebrew: the words are Eloi, Eloi ..(Matthew 27:46) Aramaic: the words are Eloi, Eloi .. (Mark 15:34) 75. According to the gospels, what were the last words of Jesus before he died?
Father, into thy hands I commit my spirit! (Luke 23:46) "It is finished" (John 19:30) 76. When Jesus entered Capernaum he healed the slave of a centurion. Did the centurion come personally to request Jesus for this?
Yes (Matthew 8:5) No. He sent some elders of the Jews and his friends (Luke 7:3,6) 77.
Adam was told that if and when he eats the forbidden fruit he would die the same day (Genesis 2:17) Adam ate the fruit and went on to live to a ripe old age of 930 years (Genesis 5:5) 78.
God decided that the life-span of humans will be limited to 120 years (Genesis 6:3) Many people born after that lived longer than 120. Arpachshad lived 438 years. His son Shelah lived 433 years. His son Eber lived 464 years, etc. (Genesis 11:12-16) 79. Apart from Jesus did anyone else ascend to heaven?
No (John 3:13) Yes. And Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven (2 Kings 2:11) 80. Who was high priest when David went into the house of God and ate the consecrated bread?
Abiathar (Mark 2:26) Ahimelech, the father of Abiathar (I Samuel 1:1; 22:20) 81. Was Jesus body wrapped in spices before burial in accordance with Jewish burial customs?
Yes and his female disciples witnessed his burial (John 19:39-40) No. Jesus was simply wrapped in a linen shroud. Then the women bought and prepared spices so that they may go and anoint him [Jesus) (Mark 16: 1) 82. When did the women buy the spices?
After the Sabbath was past (Mark 16:1) Before the Sabbath. The women prepared spices and ointments. Then, on the Sabbath they rested according to the commandment (Luke 23:55 to 24:1) 83. At what time of day did the women visit the tomb?
Toward the dawn (Matthew 28: 1) When the sun had risen (Mark 16:2) 84. What was the purpose for which the women went to the tomb?
To anoint Jesus body with spices (Mark 16: 1; Luke 23:55 to 24: 1) To see the tomb. Nothing about spices here (Matthew 28: 1) For no specified reason. In this gospel the wrapping with spices had been done before the Sabbath (John 20: 1) 85. A large stone was placed at the entrance of the tomb. Where was the stone when the women arrived?
They saw that the stone was Rolled back (Mark 16:4) They found the stone rolled away from the tomb (Luke 24:2) They saw that the stone had been taken away from the tomb (John 20:1) As the women approached, an angel descended from heaven, rolled away the stone, and conversed with the women. Matthew made the women witness the spectacular rolling away of the stone (Matthew 28:1-6) 86. Did anyone tell the women what happened to Jesus body?
Yes. A young man in a white robe (Mark 16:5). Two men ... in dazzling apparel later described as angels (Luke 24:4 and 24:23). An angel - the one who rolled back the stone (Matthew 16:2). In each case the women were told that Jesus had risen from the dead (Matthew 28:7; Mark 16:6; Luke 24:5 footnote) No. Mary met no one and returned saying, They have taken the Lord out of the tomb, and we do not know where they have laid him (John 20:2) 87. When did Mary Magdelene first meet the resurrected Jesus? And how did she react?
Mary and the other women met Jesus on their way back from their first and only visit to the tomb. They took hold of his feet and worshipped him (Matthew 28:9) On her second visit to the tomb Mary met Jesus just outside the tomb. When she saw Jesus she did not recognize him. She mistook him for the gardener. She still thinks that Jesus body is laid to rest somewhere and she demands to know where. But when Jesus said her name she at once recognized him and called him Teacher. Jesus said to her, Do not hold me... (John 20:11 to 17) 88. What was Jesus instruction for his disciples?
Tell my brethren to go to Galilee, and there they will see me (Matthew 2 8: 10) Go to my brethren and say to them, I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God (John 20:17) 89. When did the disciples return to Galilee?
Immediately, because when they saw Jesus in Galilee some doubted (Matthew 28:17). This period of uncertainty should not persist After at least 40 days. That evening the disciples were still in Jerusalem (Luke 24:3 3). Jesus appeared to them there and told them, stay in the city until you are clothed with power from on high (Luke 24:49). He was appearing to them during forty days (Acts 1:3), and charged them not to depart from Jerusalem, but to wait for the promise ... (Acts 1:4) 90. To whom did the Midianites sell Joseph?
To the Ishmaelites (Genesis 37:28) To Potiphar, an officer of Pharaoh (Genesis 37:36) 91. Who brought Joseph to Egypt?
The Ishmaelites bought Joseph and then took Joseph to Egypt (Genesis 37:28) The Midianites had sold him in Egypt (Genesis 37:36) Joseph said to his brothers I am your brother, Joseph, whom you sold into Egypt (Genesis 45:4) 92. Does God change his mind?
Yes. The word of the Lord came to Samuel: I repent that I have made Saul King... (I Samuel 15:10 to 11) No. God will not lie or repent; for he is not a man, that he should repent (I Samuel 15:29) Yes. And the Lord repented that he had made Saul King over Israel (I Samuel 15:35). Notice that the above three quotes are all from the same chapter of the same book! In addition, the Bible shows that God repented on several other occasions:
i. The Lord was sorry that he made man (Genesis 6:6)
I am sorry that I have made them (Genesis 6:7)
ii. And the Lord repented of the evil which he thought to do to his people (Exodus 32:14).
iii. (Lots of other such references).
93. The Bible says that for each miracle Moses and Aaron demonstrated the magicians did the same by their secret arts. Then comes the following feat:
Moses and Aaron converted all the available water into blood (Exodus 7:20-21) The magicians did the same (Exodus 7:22). This is impossible, since there would have been no water left to convert into blood. 94. Who killed Goliath?
David (I Samuel 17:23, 50) Elhanan (2 Samuel 21:19) 95. Who killed Saul?
Saul took his own sword and fell upon it.... Thus Saul died... (I Samuel 31:4-6) An Amalekite slew him (2 Samuel 1:1- 16) 96. Does every man sin?
Yes. There is no man who does not sin (I Kings 8:46; see also 2 Chronicles 6:36; Proverbs 20:9; Ecclesiastes 7:20; and I John 1:810) No. True Christians cannot possibly sin, because they are the children of God. Every one who believes that Jesus is the Christ is a child of God.. (I John 5:1). We should be called children of God; and so we are (I John 3: 1). He who loves is born of God (I John 4:7). No one born of God commits sin; for Gods nature abides in him, and he cannot sin because he is born of God (I John 3:9). But, then again, Yes! If we say we have no sin we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us (I John 1:8) 97. Who will bear whose burden?
Bear one anothers burdens, and so fulfill the law of Christ (Galatians 6:2) Each man will have to bear his own load (Galatians 6:5) 98. How many disciples did Jesus appear to after his resurrection?
Twelve (I Corinthians 15:5) Eleven (Matthew 27:3-5 and Acts 1:9-26, see also Matthew 28:16; Mark 16:14 footnote; Luke 24:9; Luke 24:3 3) 99. Where was Jesus three days after his baptism?
After his baptism, the spirit immediately drove him out into the wilderness. And he was in the wilderness forty days ... (Mark 1:12-13) Next day after the baptism, Jesus selected two disciples. Second day: Jesus went to Galilee - two more disciples. Third day: Jesus was at a wedding feast in Cana in Galilee (see John 1:35; 1:43; 2:1-11) 100. Was baby Jesus life threatened in Jerusalem?
Yes, so Joseph fled with him to Egypt and stayed there until Herod died (Matthew 2:13 23) No. The family fled nowhere. They calmly presented the child at the Jerusalem temple according to the Jewish customs and returned to Galilee (Luke 2:21-40) 101. When Jesus walked on water how did the disciples respond?
They worshipped him, saying, Truly you are the Son of God (Matthew 14:33) They were utterly astounded, for they did not understand about the loaves, but their hearts were hardened (Mark 6:51-52)
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fenak ya servant... you are more eloquent ansering Batty about el nasekh wel mansookh....because batty's god change his mind much often,,,, may be he is a bit confused... or was that mohamed who did it god knows
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Mr. Batman before answering you, I'd like to ask you two important Questions:
1-If the Torah and Injeel are the God's word as per Koran why God didn't preserves his words like(Kuran) and left them to be corrupted?
2-And if the God in Koran asking you to believe in the previous books THEN how God tells you to believe in corrupted books?
Think carefully my friend about the answers because your eternal life depends on that.
There are no contradictions in the bible but this what the Satan is trying to put it in your mind to get away from the GOD'S words
I know that you didn't even read what you posted but you read the title which attracted you and gave you happiness, I think this happiness is just a fake only still for short time.
During the last 2000 years many tried to get over the bible by all means Romans,Zionism, communism, Islam…...etc.
In the 16th century Voltaire the great French writer said that Jesus wasn't exist, the bible were fabricated and this book will be forgotten within 100 years
Voltaire died,christianity still standing,his home purchased by Geneva Bible society and used for printing the bible by all languages.
But how? Because the true God can protect his words.
2-And if the God in Koran asking you to believe in the previous books THEN how God tells you to believe in corrupted books?
Belief in Allah's Books:
We believe that Allah revealed books to His messengers as proof against mankind and a guidance for the righteous workers. They purified and taught them wisdom by these books.
We believe that Allah sent down a book with every messenger, because He says: "Indeed We sent down Our messengers with the clear signs, and We sent down with them the book and the balance, so that people may uphold justice" (57:25).
Books Known:
Among the books that were revealed, we know:
I ) The Torah, which was revealed to Moses, peace be upon him. It is the greatest among the Israelites' books: "Surely, We sent down the Torah, wherein is guidance and light; by its laws the Jews have been judged by the prophets who surrendered themselves to Allah, the rabbis and the doctors of law, because they were entrusted the protection of Allah's book and were witnesses thereto" (5:44).
2) The Gospel, which Allah revealed to Jesus, peace be upon him. It is a confirmation of the Torah and a complement to it: "And we gave him the Gospel, wherein is guidance and light and confirming the Torah before it, as a guidance and an admonition to the God-fearing" (5:46); "And to make lawful to you certain things that, before, were forbidden to you" (3:50).
3) The Psalms, which Allah gave to David, peace be upon him.
4) The Tablets of Abraham and Moses, peace be upon them.
5) The Glorious Qur'an, which was revealed to His Prophet Muhammad, the Seal of the Prophets. It is "a guidance to the people and clear signs of guidance and the criterion between right and wrong" (2:185). The Qur'an Is Protected from Change:
Previous Scriptures Changed:
The previous scriptures were meant for a limited period. Their use ended with the revelation of the Qur'an, which abrogated them and exposed their distortions and changes. That is why they were not protected from corruption. They underwent distortion, addition, and omission: "Some of the Jews pervert words from their meanings" (4:46); "So woe to those who write the Book with their hands, and then say: 'This is from Allah,' that they may sell it for a little price. So woe to them for what their hands have written, and woe to them for their earnings" (2:79); "Say, who sent down the Book that Moses brought as a light and a guidance to people? You put it into sheets of paper showing some of them and concealing much" (6:91); "And there is a group among them who twist their tongues with the Book, that you may think it is a part of the Book but it is not part of the Book. And they say 'It is from Allah,' yet it is not from Allah, and they tell a lie against Allah and they know it. It is not for any human being to whom Allah has given the Book, the Wisdom and the Prophet hood to say to men 'Worship me instead of Allah"' (3:79); "People of the Book! Our Messenger has come to you, making clear to you many things you have been concealing of the Book and forgiving you of much. A light has come to you from Allah and a glorious Book, with which He will guide whoever follows His pleasure in the way of peace, and brings them forth from darkness into the light by His will" (5:15-16).
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quote:The previous scriptures were meant for a limited period. Their use ended with the revelation of the Qur'an, which abrogated them and exposed their distortions and changes. That is why they were not protected from corruption.
You have answered the first question with a reply for another person, I hoped that you could answer by your self no matter if using support from outside for one important reason, is just to prove that you can say what you believe inside your mind, in case of someone asked you outside you won't find Sultan or others to help you,even their reply isn't convincing 9 years old child.
The main problem which facing our Muslim friends that they don't have logic answers and they have to ask the Sheikh first before answering non Muslims, and this is the tragedy because it means that they believe without an explanation convincing themselves, anyway no need to talk so much about that.
You have answered the second question by simply that the Quran abrogated the bible Ok let us see what the Quran says.
The table chapter (Surat Al-Ma'idah) 68:" Say "O people of the Scripture, you have nothing till you act according to the Taurât and the Injeel (Bible), and what has been sent down to you from your Lord"
So he is asking the Jews and the Christians to adjudge by the Taurât and Bible, and what has been sent down from God! That is a strong testimony that the quran didn't abrogate the Taurât and Bible
The table chapter (Surat Al-Ma'idah) 43:" But how do they come to you for judgment while they have the Taurât, in which is the judgment of Allah;"
The table chapter (Surat Al-Ma'idah) 44:" We send down the Taurât therein was guidance and light, by which the Prophets, the rabbis and the priests judged”
The table chapter (Surat Al-Ma'idah) 47:"Let the people of the Injeel (Bible) judge by what Allah has revealed therein. And whosoever does not judge by what Allah has revealed therein. Then such people are the disobedient"
The table chapter (Surat Al-Ma'idah). 66:”And if only they had acted according to the Taurât , the Injeel (Bible), and what has been sent down to them from their Lord ,they would surely have gotten provision from above them and from underneath their feet"
The quran is encouraging the people of the scripture to follow the Taurât and the Bible, so how could anyone dare to say that they were abrogated??!!
Which book is the one concerned with the abrogator and abrogated?
Is the abrogator and abrogated existing in the Taurât? And does it exist in the Bible?
The abrogator and abrogated is only confined to the quran
Actually if we study the abrogator and abrogated verses, we will find them specific for the quran verses, and has no relation at all with the Taurât and the Bible
- The Bees chapter (Surat An-Nahl) 101:"And when we change a verse in place of another, and Allah knows the best of what he sends down, they say: "you are but a forger." nay, but most of them know not"
It is obvious from that verse that the intension here was the replacement of the quran verses
- The cow chapter (Surat Al-Baqarah) 106:"Whatever a verse do we abrogate or cause to be forgotten, we bring a better one or similar to it"
-Imam Jalal El-Din Al- Syouty said "God made the abrogation pertained to this nation only "{by this nation he means the Arabic nation}: as the quran said: You are the best of peoples ever raised up for mankind "The Family of Imran chapter (Surat Aal-'Imran) 110 (1)
So the abrogation is something pertained exclusively to the quran and nothing else
The abrogator and abrogated is a serious problem, as there are many quran verses that deny the occurrence of any alternation or change in the words of God
As the Cattle chapter (Surat Al-An'am) 34 " none can alter the Words of Allah."
The Big Stars chapter (Surat Al-Burooj) 21, 22:”This is a Glorious Quran, in Lauh Mahfűz (Preserved Tablet)
And the most serious verse: the women chapter (Surat An-Nisa') 82:” Had it been from other than Allah, they would surely have found therein much contradiction"
so as per the above verses Quran didn't abrogate the bible but it's only part of the Islamic media to the non readers Muslims .
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All Faith is false, all Faith is true: Truth is the shattered mirror strown In myriad bits; while each believes his little bit the whole to own. ~ Richard Francis Burton
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All religions are cruel, all founded on blood; for all rest principally on the idea of sacrifice-that is, on the perpetual immolation of humanity to the insatiable vengeance of divinity. ~ Mikhail Bakunin
Any body of men who believe in hell will persecute whenever they have the power. ~ Joseph M. McCabe Each religion, so dear to those whose life it sanctifies, and fulfilling so necessary a function in the society that has adopted it, necessarily contradicts every other religion, and probably contradicts itself. ~ George Santayana
I am as firmly convinced that religions do harm as I am that they are untrue. ~ Bertrand Russell
I distrust those people who know so well what God wants them to do because I notice it always coincides with their own desires. ~ Susan B. Anthony
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In the Book of Galatians, chapter 1, it says, "If we are an angel from heaven preach another gospel to you...., let him be accursed!.......". Batman, be blessed! Receive the blessing. Salaam.
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quote:Originally posted by bibo1978: I Yet I want to note that we as muslims we never debate with this way I have attended hundereds of 'Gom'aa' speech, and I have never heard any 'Imam' bashing Christianity unless he was answer a christianity claim about our religion or culture. Yet when I look at christians priests I found them across the history bashing Islam, Even if with no logic, the same is with how west looks to islam, I have never seen an 'Imam' saying that those people are the people of vice the don't back virtue or ... etc. Except if he is backing up a cause where the west have accused Islam or mocked him.
Well then you must be listening in a a few Imams and tuning out 90% of them.
But in the event that I go to a different church other than the one I usually go to nothing at all is said about Muslims in the Middle East. Actually the church I was raised in the Pastor did some of his Phd studies in Jerusalem and made sure we understood that Jews, Christians and Muslims believe in the same God.
The Reverends or Priests you are refering to are actually televangelists who have their theology education from a non-acredited college. Actually most of them gained more classroom experience in drama coaching than in theology lectures.
If that is your idea of a Christian theologian then I can understand why the Mullahs in KSA and the Mullahs who makes millions on cassette tapes influence you in the manner that they do.
sure, I never meant that all church does this, yet for sure some did unlike in Islam, if some did that, and I am not aware of any of those, then this actually against the preaching of islam itself.
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Rate Member posted 28 September, 2006 08:56 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Carrying out Prayer (Prostration):
The only people in the whole world today who pray like Jesus (Peace and blessing be upon him), and all the other prophets are the Muslims:
1. Matthew 26:39 “He (Jesus) went a little farther and fell on his face, and prayed, O my father, if it is possible, let this cup pass from me; nevertheless, not as I will, but as you will”.
2. Psalm 55:17 “Evening and morning and at noon, I will pray and cry aloud: and He shall hear my voice”.
3. Numbers 20:6 “So Moses and Aaron went from the presence of the assembly to the door of the tabernacle of meeting, and they fell on their faces. And the glory of the Lord appeared to them”.
So you also call God "Father" just like Jesus did e.g.:-
Matthew 6:9 “YOU must pray, then, this way: “‘Our Father in the heavens, let your name be sanctified.
Matthew 11:25 At that time Jesus said in response: “I publicly praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth. . .
Matthew 26:39 And going a little way forward, he fell upon his face, praying and saying: “My Father,. . .
Matthew 26:42 Again, for the second time, he went off and prayed, saying: “My Father, . . .
Luke 10:21-22 “I publicly praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because you have carefully hidden these things from wise and intellectual ones, and have revealed them to babes. Yes, O Father, because to do thus came to be the way approved by you. 22 All things have been delivered to me by my Father, and who the Son is no one knows but the Father; and who the Father is, no one [knows] but the Son, and he to whom the Son is willing to reveal him.”
John 11:41 Now Jesus raised his eyes heavenward and said: “Father, I thank you that you have heard me.
John 17:1-5 Jesus spoke these things, and, raising his eyes to heaven, he said: “Father, the hour has come; glorify your son, that your son may glorify you, 2 according as you have given him authority over all flesh, that, as regards the whole [number] whom you have given him, he may give them everlasting life. 3 This means everlasting life, their taking in knowledge of you, the only true God, and of the one whom you sent forth, Jesus Christ. 4 I have glorified you on the earth, having finished the work you have given me to do. 5 So now you, Father, glorify me alongside yourself with the glory that I had alongside you before the world was.
John 17:11 “Also, I am no longer in the world, but they are in the world and I am coming to you. Holy Father,. . .
John 17:20-21 “I make request, not concerning these only, but also concerning those putting faith in me through their word; 21 in order that they may all be one, just as you, Father, are in union with me and I am in union with you,. . .
John 17:24-25 Father, as to what you have given me, I wish that, where I am, they also may be with me, in order to behold my glory that you have given me, because you loved me before the founding of the world. 25 Righteous Father, the world has, indeed, not come to know you; but I have come to know you, and these have come to know that you sent me forth.
John 18:11 Jesus, however, said to Peter: “Put the sword into [its] sheath. The cup that the Father has given me, should I not by all means drink it?”
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Nothing further need after the Bible was completed:-
2 Timothy 3:16-17 All Scripture is inspired of God and beneficial for teaching, for reproving, for setting things straight, for disciplining in righteousness, 17 that the man of God may be fully competent, completely equipped for every good work.
As the Bible can make any human “fully competent, completely equipped for every good work” there is no need for any others writings. If any other writings appear that are said to be of God, then the Bible warns in the following:-
Revelation 22:18-19 “I am bearing witness to everyone that hears the words of the prophecy of this scroll: If anyone makes an addition to these things, God will add to him the plagues that are written in this scroll; 19 and if anyone takes anything away from the words of the scroll of this prophecy, God will take his portion away from the trees of life and out of the holy city, things which are written about in this scroll.
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