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Looool 99% of all greek and Roman art show white people. But the 1% or less that shows black people "prove" that the Romans or Greeks were black? This ist Just pathetic.
100 BC, Pompeii (Alexander, Stateira and a persian soldier)
Alexander sarcophargus, 320BC, showing Greeks fighting Persians. Colours revealed by UV/Bis spectrometry
Zeugma Mosaic
Furthermore this is a quote by the black Muslim Author, Al-Jahiz from the 9th century: “*Therefore, if the Arabs are ruddy, then they belong to the Byzantines (Rum), Slaves (Saqaliba),Persians and Khurasanis. But if they belong to the dark-skinned peoples, then they are a sub-category of our stock. So they are called medium-complexioned and brownish-black (sumr sud) when they are classified with us, as the Arabs use the masculine gender to refer to a group consisting of females and males.”*
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Nevermore I welcome your opinion but I have to tell you that the city of Pompey was revealed to the world one hundred years after its discovery. Dishonest Eurocentric archeologists had plenty of time to modified the paintings and sculptures. I think the Ancient Greek and Roman Empire were civilizations that were composed of many races (Black, Brown, White races) and were created by Black people.
Europe during the Renaissance era and maybe the Colonial era was ruled by a dark skin monarchy and nobility. 1% of the Graeco Roman artifacts being of the Black race doesnt mean they were powerless. The Black race was probably the oldest elite of the Graeco Roman World, contributing many kings, senators, consuls, scholars, philosophers, emperors, merchants, high priests to Graeco Roman history.
Urn depicting a family meal, from Aquileia (stone). Roman, (2nd century AD). Museo della Civilta Romana, Rome, Italy
Roman officer or soldier
Roman civilization. Funerary stele relief depicting a laundry (fullonica). Detail: a laundryman standing in a washtub. Museo Della Civiltà Romana. Roma
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looooool 1) Dark skinned monarchy? Are you educated at all? Did you ever read classical european literature like Don Quijote, three musketeers, Monte Cristo, Amadis of Gaul,....? Probably not. They EXPLICITLY mention White skinned royalty. Even DuMas in his musketeers and Monte Cristo. Sure there were black former slaves who became free men. The same happened in USA. There even was a mulatto President, half white,half black from Kenia. Or today's black refugees in Europe. They are Not native to Europe and they dont contribute anything to european culture.
2)So they modified SOME art that shows black people but some Art they didnt modify? Are you serious? The last two pictures show colourless damaged faces, these people could be White, black, Brown. The first pic shows colourless people with straight hair and noses that could belong to any ethnicity. So based on what do you conclude they represent Blacks?
3)Furthermore the zeugma mosaic I posted above was discovered recently in Turkey. So brown turks also modify ancient greeks to look White? During the excavation?
4)Have you ever been to the Forum Romanum? Probably not. I was there. Not a single black man is shown on any art. No "Black elite"as you claim. All White.
5) What about the Alexander sarcophargus from 325BC found in lebanon? Traces of the original paint are still visible. No black elite as you claim.
You have to PROVE that Europeans modified these particular sculptures and paintings. Simple claims are irrelevant and dont count.
I dont doubt there were very few black people in Rome and greece as ancient art proved. But they were slaves or merchants or descendants of them but not greek or romans by ethnicity.
6) Furthermore, here are some ancient quotes not only about greeks and Romans but also persians:
this is a quote by the black Muslim Author, Al-Jahiz from the 9th century:
“Therefore, if the Arabs are ruddy then they belong to the Byzantines (Rum), Slaves (Saqaliba),Persians and Khurasanis. But if they belong to the dark-skinned peoples, then they are a sub-category of our stock. So they are called medium-complexioned and brownish-black (sumr sud) when they are classified with us, as the Arabs use the masculine gender to refer to a group consisting of females and males.”*
The Roman Sextus Empiricus contrasts the female beauty standard of the Ethiopians with that of the Persians: “the Ethiopians preferring the blackest and most snub-nosed, the Persians preferring the whitest and most hook-nosed…”
Furthermore from Lisan al-Arab: “ And the Arabs used to say about the non-Arabs with whom white skin was characteristic, such as the Romans, Persians, and their neighbors: ‘They are red-skinned (*al-hamra’*)…”* al-hamra’* means the Persians and Romans…And the Arabs attribute white skin to the slaves.
From the book “God's black Prophets”: *When Christian Ethiopia reconquered Jewish Yemen in 520 CE, Jewish exiles sought assistance from the Byzantine ruler of Constantinople who turned them down on behalf of his co-religionists. On the other hand Chosroes, Zoroastrian king of Persia, took a different position. He said to the Jews: "This is the white skin against the black race.I am closer to you than to the Abyssinians." After their victory over 'the black race' the victory poem began: "We have crossed the waters to free Himyar (southern Arabia) from the tyranny of the blacks."
And:
“When the Persian king (Chosroes) heard of this he sent Wahriz with 4,000 Persians and ordered him to kill every Abyssinian, great or small, and not leave alive a single man with crisp curly hair. Wahriz arrived and in due course carried out these instructions and wrote to tell the kind that he had done so. The king then gave him viceregal authority and he ruled under Chosroes”
Here is a 7. Century representation of the sasanian-ethiopian war showing black skinned naked abyssinians fighting light skinned sasanians in trousers and shirts.
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قالوا و كان واد عبد المصلب اعشرة السادة دلما ضخما نظر اليهم علمر بن الطفيل يطوفون كانهم جمال جون فقال؛ بهولأْ تمنع السدانه و كان عبد الله بن عباس ادام صحما ولد اب طالب اشرف الخلق و هم سود و ادم و دلم
--Al-Jahiz important note in his Fakhr al-Sudan ala al-biyadan
quote:there are black tribes among the Arabs, such as the Banu Sulaim bin Mansur, and that all the peoples settled in the Harra, besides the Banu Sulaimare black.
--Al-Jahiz (776-869): Al-Fakhar al-Sudan min al-Abyadh (Superiority Of The Blacks To The Whites)
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Excactly like this pathetic "Rumi wasnt White" row. Im sure no tajik, afghan, iranian, uzbak complained about Leo DiCaprio. Just those pathetic individuals who wanna steal other's History.
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quote:Originally posted by Nevermore: Excactly like this pathetic "Rumi wasnt White" row. Im sure no tajik, afghan, iranian, uzbak complained about Leo DiCaprio. Just those pathetic individuals who wanna steal other's History.
Did you actually read that thread in it’s entirety? Or is this just a reactionary emotional move?
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Marble portrait of Matidia Minor. Period:Antonine. Date:ca. A.D. 138–161.
Tombstone carved in high relief on marble containing full-length portraits of a young woman and her older husband. From Via Statilia. 2nd quarter of 1st Century BCE. Rome: Museo Montemartini. Roman couple doing the as above so below sign.
Dama sedente of Spain. Santuario del Cerro de los Santos. Museo Arqueológico Nacional
Dama oferente (falsificación) Las Damas Oferentes suelen portar un vaso o un recipiente entre las manos. Llevan ricos vestidas y van engalanadas con espléndidas joyas y diademas. Podrían ser sacerdotisas o ex votos a los dioses. Lady Offeror (forgery) Ladies Offerors usually carry a glass or bowl in his hands and often richly dressed,wear jewelry and tiaras and could be prietessess or votive offering to the gods
Figura femenina cubierta por un tocado y vestida con túnica y manto sujeto con un broche. Como adorno lleva en el cuello dos collares, uno con colgante y el otro con bulas en forma de lengüeta. Siglo IV a.c. Museo Arqueológico Nacional
Necrópolis de Los Villares (Hoya Gonzalo, Albacete). Jinete a caballo, 410 a.C. Museo Arqueológico de Albacete
Exvoto de bronce, Cultura ibérica (siglos VI - I a.C.) Santuario de Castellar de Santisteban, Los Altos del Sotillo (Jaén)
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La 'Dama viviente' invitó simbólicamente a la Dama de Elche a visitar su ciudad durante un acto, organizado por la Asociación de Ilicitanos en Madrid.
Cabeza de mujer del Cerro de Los Santos. Woman´s head of The Cerro de Los Santos, made in limestone
Cabeza de mujer del conjunto hallado en el Santuario del Cerro de Los Santos. Piedra caliza. Head of a woman, found in the Sanctuary of Cerro de Los Santos. Limestone
The Lady, or Dama of Baza, an ancient Celtiberian sculpture
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Hieromartyr Clement the Pope of Rome - Orthodox Church in America
1670s Icon depicting The Cross of Kiy, a replica of the True Cross with holy relics commissioned by Nikon, Orthodox patriarch of Moscow, in 1656. On the left top to bottom are the images of Saint Emperor Constantine the Great, Tsar Alexey Mikhaylovich and Patriarch Nikon. To the right: Saint Empress Helena and Tsarina Maria Ilyinichna.
VALENTINIAN II on Ship with Victory Ancient 383AD Authentic Roman Coin
Marble Bust with Alabaster Head of Roman Emperor of the East Leo I. Roman Emperor Leo I looks like Pope Francis
Roman Pope Francis
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Julia Domna (AD 160–217) was a Roman empress of Syrian origins, the second wife of Septimius Severus (reigned 193–211), and a powerful figure in the regime of his successor, the emperor Caracalla.
EUDOXIA Arcadius Wife 400AD Authentic Ancient Roman Coin GOD's HAND CROSS
Roman stone Stele, memorial for a Cavalryman in England, 1st century AD. The inscription and sculpture is a memorial to a cavalryman in the service of the Roman army who saw action and died in north west England about AD 80. He is named below as Insus, the son of Vodullus, The text on the panel has been translated as 'To the shades of the dead, Insus, son of Vodullus, citizen of the Treveri, cavalryman of the Ala Augusta troop of Victor. Domitia his heir had this set up'.
A bronze statuette of a dancer, Hellenistic, 2st century B.C. The pose reminds me of a basketball player today.
Roman Statuette of a boy, 1st century B.C. Bronze
Detail from the Athletes mosaic from the Baths of Caracalla, now at the Vatican Museums
Detalle de los atletas mosaico de las Termas de Caracalla , ahora en los Museos Vaticanos
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Title: Stele known as Del Purpurarius, Roman Civilisation, Parma, Museo Archeologico Nazionale (Archaeologicla Museum) Palazzo Della Pilotta, Credits: DeA Picture Library, licensed by Alinari
Roselle. Maschera etrusca
Apollo of Veii
Etruscan, late Archaic, c. 490 BC. Head of Jupiter. Terracotta. From: Temple of Mater Matuta in Satricum (Conca, Latium). Inv. no. 10045
Apollo/Apulu From the Temple at Veii Apulu is Apollon's Estrucian name(a god absorbed by Apollon)
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Il bronzetto etrusco noto come L'Ombra della sera. III sec. a.C. Volterra, Museo Etrusco «Guarnacci».
Girl playing knucklebones, 330 - 320 avant J.-C. - Acropole d'Athènes | The girl must have been throwing the knucklebones with her right hand, which has now disappeared, while clasping the bag they…
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That portrait of a woman is not indigenous Egyptian but a Greek settler of the post-pharaonic era.
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Balbinus, c. 165 – 29 July 238, Roman Emperor with Pupienus for three months in 238, the Year of the Six Emperors, Palatine Museum, Rome
Marble Statue of Lucius Verus by !STORAX, via Flickr. AD 160-169. Today in Vatican City. This doryphoros pose shows LV as a hero or an athlete. He holds a victory standing on an orb. It is unusual for a Roman emperor to have been shown nude, but it is a Greek tradition. The fig-leaf was added by the Vatican. The statue reveals a return to classic hellenistic tastes in art
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Fayum Portraits « Diana Webber | Artist & Sculptor
etrato romano de El Fayun
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Akrotiri - Island of Santorini - Fresco of minoan fleet 16th Century BC
Akrotiri assembly.jpg Here's more of the confusing picture (called shipwreck fresco?). Walking men with hide shields. Walking women with colored skirts and white tops. (Maybe totally topless, unlike the Minoan norm of partially topless?) They look like they're stepping off the roof of a building. The tumbling men in the front are naked. (falling? drowning?)
Sophisticated boats in the harbor of Thira, wall fresco from the seafarer's house. I believe Marinatos who argued that Thira is Atlantis.
Santorini - Petros M. Nomikos Conference Center : The Wall Paintings of Thera
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Romalı yargıç (hakim) heykeli - Statue of a Roman judge. İstanbul arkeoloji müzesi. Turkey.
OĞUZ TOPOĞLU : roma dönemi bir erkek portresi heykeli amisos sams...
Statue of Emperor Hadrian. 2nd century AD, bronze, from Adana. Istanbul Archaeological Museum.
The head of the colossal marble statue of Marcus Aurelius found at the Sagalassos Roman Baths complex in 2008, Burdur Museum
Bronze statue of Hadrian, 2nd century CE, from Adana, Istanbul Archaeological Museum Hadrian (76-138 CE) was the fourteenth Emperor of Rome (10 August 117 to 10 July 138 CE) and is known as the third of the Five Good Emperors (Nerva, Trajan, Hadrian, Antoninus Pius, and Marcus Aurelius) who ruled justly. Born Publius Aelius Hadrianus, probably in Hispania, Hadrian is best known for his substantial building projects throughout the Roman Empire and, especially, Hadrian’s Wall in northern Brita.
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AN ETRUSCAN BRONZE FIGURE OF A WOMAN Circa Late 6th Century B.C. Solid cast, standing with her bare feet together, wearing a tightly-fitted dress that she pulls outward at the hip with her left hand, shallow pleats curving horizontally toward her left side, a shawl-like mantle draped across her shoulders and falling in a large V on her back, forming vertical pleats along her chest, wearing a high pointed banded headdress, her hair falling in thick plaits behind
Tête de femme appartenant probablement à une statuette Vers 460-450 avant J.-C. Production : Chiusi Bronze - Etrurie | Site officiel du musée du Louvre
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AN ETRUSCAN OR ITALIC BRONZE YOUTH CIRCA 3RD CENTURY B.C.
Visage de femme (terre cuite), collection Bratty. Offrande funéraire étrusque en terre cuite, 2e moitié du 5e siècle avant J-C. Possiblement le portrait de la défunte, le visage a cette belle rondeur que l’on voir ailleurs dans les représentations de femmes nobles de cette civilisation, ça fait beaucoup plus matriarche que servante
Portrait masculin de San Giovanni Lipioni, époque hellénistique, BnF (cabinet des médailles)
Julia Paula or Julia Cornelia Paula. Daughter of Julius Paulus. Wife to Elagabalus
Portrait of Julia Drusilla, Julia Livilla or Agrippina Minor. Chalcedony. 37—39 CE. Inv. No. GR 1907.4-15.1 (Gem 3946). London, The British Museum
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Chained Germanic, 2nd century A.D. Bronze. The prisoner wears breeches that were typical for Germanics. His hair is tied in a suebian knot.
The Suebian knot (German: Suebenknoten) is a historical male hairstyle ascribed to the tribe of the Germanic Suebi. The knot is attested by Tacitus in his 1st century CE work Germania, found on art by and depictions of the Germanic peoples, and worn by bog bodies
Barbarian, 1-100 Italy, Rome, 1st Century
Statuette of Hooded Figure, ca. A.D. 1st–3rd century, Made in Romano-British, Culture: Celtic
VETRANIO 350AD Ancient Roman Coin CONSTANTINE the Great CHRISTIAN Vision
JUSTIN II & Sophia 565AD Cyzicus Follis Genuine Ancient Byzantine
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PHILIP V Macedonian King 221BC Ancient Greek Coin PERSEUS & EAGLE
Mena: In Roman artifacts many coins and statues of the sane emperors looks different for example the case of Roman emperors Dioclatian, Constantine and Justinian. Some of the coins and statues of those emperors looks like Black people and some other coins looks like Caucasian people. My theory for the different coins and statues are the Black and Brown Roman emperors were making coins and statues of different races to represent the different people of the roman Empire or the coins and statues showing them as White people were fake coins created in the Renaissance and Colonial era
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CONSTANS on Ship with Phoenix Labarum 348AD Authentic Ancient Roman Coin
LYSIMACHOS 306BC Thrace King Authentic Ancient Greek Coin ATHENA & LION
Stela of the Medica” portraying a Gallo-Roman female physician. Funerary stela discovered in Metz, France. Only part of the inscription remains, but still shows the word “MEDICA.” The medica, standing draped in her palla, holds a rectangular object in her left hand, either a medicine box or a book. 2nd century CE. Photo courtesy of Musée de La Cour d’Or Metz Métropole.
Portrait of a woman. Cut off a Herculaneum statue. Second half of I century AD. Marble. On loan by Potocki family. Galeria Sztuki Starożytnej, Muzeum Narodowe w Krakowie
Half-figure tombstone of Gaius Largennius of legio II Augusta from Strasbourg. General view of half-figure relief
Galla Placida entre le futur Valentinien III et Honoria (Ve siècle, Museo Civico, Brescia)
A Painted Linen Shroud, Roman Period, circa 1st Century A.D.
Neferhotep’s shroud bears a Roman-style portrait. Deir el Medina, Egypt
Fragmentary Shroud with a Bearded Young Man Date: A.D. 120-150, Egypt
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Telesphorus. Bronze. Roman age. Inv. No. 2321. Florence, National Archaeological Museum. Telesphorus was a son of Asclepius. A demi-god of convalescence, who "brought to fulfillment" recuperation from illness or injury
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