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quote: believe the dumb shit he believes
How many people believe the following and which people do they belong to and what has been its effect on world history and who's life experience in pre-judgement is impacted by it?
A man gets drunk and sexually exposes himself. His young grandson sees it and reacts naively. The boy's father lightheartedly spreads the tale. In his hangover the man curses his own flesh to slavery and all the innocent offspring of that flesh through all eternity.
Tukuler
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I'm Jumping Jack Flash, you can kiss my ash.
Now who der fuchs do you think you are?
It does no good to report you to ES mgmt or even to the site owner but the site host may do something about your libel in attributing things to me I never said.
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,:
quote:Originally posted by Tukuler:
We've seen it was Sepharade Jews who invented both Ashkenaz(i) in the ancient TN"K, Talmud, etc., and Ashke-NAZI in the modern state of Israel.
It's disgusting how you make excuses calling Jews Nazis. You propose that Sepharade Jews inveted it with no reference
And where is there evidence a non-Sepharade who called Ashkenazis Nazis even knows of this your claim
You Tukulaer are a disgrace to Jews and if there are Sepharade who say this about fellow Jews they are a disgrace
And you are also a disgrace to suggests that Sepharade in general call other Jews are Nazis. That is a disgrace to Sepharade
The Jews should kick you out for these wicked excuses you make, comparing them to Hitler
This is no different from people making excuses to call black people the N word
quote:Originally posted by Ish Geber: Chief Uzziel Lewi & Chief Avdiel Levi A.K.A Zion Lexx discuss the firing of Nick Cannon & Who are the true Semites?
quote: "להיכא אגלי להו מר זוטרא אמר לאפריקי ורבי חנינא אמר להרי סלוג אבל ישראל ספרו בגנותה של ארץ ישראל כי מטו שוש אמרי שויא כי ארעין כי מטו עלמין אמרו כעלמין כי מטו שוש תרי אמרי על חד תרין
The Gemara asks: To where did Sennacherib exile the ten tribes? Mar Zutra says: He exiled them to Afrikei, and Rabbi Ḥanina says: To the Selug Mountains. The Gemara adds: But those exiled from the kingdom of Israel spoke in disparagement of Eretz Yisrael and extolled the land of their exile. When they arrived at one place, they called it Shosh, as they said: It is equal [shaveh] to our land. When they arrived at another place, they called it Almin, as they said: It is like our world [almin], as Eretz Yisrael is also called beit olamim. When they arrived at a third place they called it Shosh the second [terei], as they said: For one measure of good in Eretz Yisrael, there are two [terein] here."
Where were the Tribes exiled? "The King of Ashshur (Assyria) carried Israel away into Ashshur, and placed them in Chalach [Iraq] and in Chavor by the river of Gozan [Syria] and in the cities of the Maday [Iran]" (II Kings 17:6). In addition to Assyria, they were also exiled through Egypt to Patros on the southern Nile, and Cush [Ethiopia] (Isaiah 11:11). The Talmud also says the tribes were exiled to both Africa and to the mountains of selug (snow), quite possibly referring to Ethiopia and to the mountains of western Iran (Sanhedrin 94b). Similarly, the famous Jewish historian of Roman times, Josephus Flavius wrote, "The Ten Tribes are beyond the Euphrates until this day, and are an immense multitude whose numbers cannot be estimated" (Antiquities 11:33).
Eldad of the tribe of Dan, claimed to have seen the Sambatyon: It "still rolls boulders and sand without water, with a great tremor and roar, such that if it collided with a mountain of iron it would pulverize it. The river flows this way all six days of the week, rolling boulders and sand without any water, and on the Sabbath it rests. When the sun sets Friday evening, a cloud descends upon the river, and no man is able to come near it until the end of the Sabbath." Eldad identified the river in Africa between Sudan and Ethiopia,
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quote:Originally posted by Tukuler: I'm Jumping Jack Flash, you can kiss my ash.
Now who der fuchs do you think you are?
It does no good to report you to ES mgmt or even to the site owner but the site host may do something about your libel in attributing things to me I never said.
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,:
quote:Originally posted by Tukuler:
We've seen it was Sepharade Jews who invented both Ashkenaz(i) in the ancient TN"K, Talmud, etc., and Ashke-NAZI in the modern state of Israel.
It's disgusting how you make excuses calling Jews Nazis. You propose that Sepharade Jews inveted it with no reference
And where is there evidence a non-Sepharade who called Ashkenazis Nazis even knows of this your claim
You Tukulaer are a disgrace to Jews and if there are Sepharade who say this about fellow Jews they are a disgrace
And you are also a disgrace to suggests that Sepharade in general call other Jews are Nazis. That is a disgrace to Sepharade
The Jews should kick you out for these wicked excuses you make, comparing them to Hitler
This is no different from people making excuses to call black people the N word
The Most High will punish you
lioness is just giving liberal lip service talking points but has proved himself racist in many other posts..
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quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: I support black businesses, asian businesses any business who would fire one of their employees over demonizing them, 100
What has Asian businesses to do with anything here? Especially when the topic is not about Asians at all.
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Tukuler
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19th century southern Jews were hell bent on not being lumped with Blacks. They were mostly Sepharade Tahor though some Mughrebi and Mizrahhi were there. At least two Sephardi q*hilloth explicitly banned and I quote "black Israelites" from membership.
African immigrant Old Billy nevertheless loved duty to HaShem so much he increased congregating only for Kippur to making daily minyan. QQ Beth Elohim in Charleston finally granted him seating near the tebah (rezerved for rich or influential men).
quote:Originally posted by Ish Geber:
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: [
The question becomes, is there anything false about what Griff said?
You keep ignoring years upon years of anti-Blackness via media abuse and beyond,
quote: If you believe that the admix of people is are still black folks then they're black to you but if you don't consider the people who you know that look like Palestinians and Arabs today as black folks and they're not black folks and so the the Hebrews would look like your Palestinians and and Arabs of today. So they would not look like your Hebrew Israelite with their power ranger suits trying to convert people in in Manhattan in New York, those. They did not look like that and so again we have depictions of them in the ancient Egyptian records
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I find Asar's "power ranger" comments unfortunate, while I am not a Black Hebrew Israelite, I support all black people who make their own clothes, create their own fashion and keep other black people employed...
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quote: If you believe that the admix of people is are still black folks then they're black to you but if you don't consider the people who you know that look like Palestinians and Arabs today as black folks and they're not black folks and so the the Hebrews would look like your Palestinians and and Arabs of today. So they would not look like your Hebrew Israelite with their power ranger suits trying to convert people in in Manhattan in New York, those. They did not look like that and so again we have depictions of them in the ancient Egyptian records
--Asar Imhotep, From the video: (1:46:39)
He stated that the first Hebrews denote African groups who moved into the Levant. He specifically mentioned the Fula amongst others. He started to explain this from early on. Linguistically he explains this from a proto-Afrasan, or Afroasiatic point of view. These early out migrating Africans met a people who already lived there. These people mixed, which gave rise to the Semitic languages and populations we see nowadays. These people technically are admixed / mixed people. Lastly he explained the complications with this race concept.
He also looked at that from outside the Biblical narrative.
Later he took the biblical narrative, which he considers mythological. Based on a biblical narrative or on drop rule they are considered Hebrews.
Perhaps the slur "sand n*word" ring a bell?
These West African ethnic groups relate to, or are also part of the Afroasiatic phylum. These groups either relate genetically or linguistically, and sometimes both.
"Our statistical tests of alternative Semitic histories support an initial divergence of Akkadian from ancestral Semitic over competing hypotheses (e.g. an African origin of Semitic). We estimate an Early Bronze Age origin for Semitic approximately 5750 years ago in the Levant, and further propose that contemporary Ethiosemitic languages of Africa reflect a single introduction of early Ethiosemitic from southern Arabia approximately 2800 years ago. […] Semitic languages (Akkadian, Aramaic, Ge'ez, ancient Hebrew and Ugaritic) combined with archaeological evidence for the sampling dates of the epigraphic data (the time at which the materials were inscribed).
"These results indicate that the ancestor of all Semitic languages in our dataset was being spoken in the Near East no earlier than approximately 7400 YBP, after having after having diverged from Afroasiatic in Africa"
(i) Semitic had an Early Bronze Age origin (approx. 5750 YBP) in the Levant, followed by an expansion of Akkadian into Mesopotamia;
(ii) Central and South Semitic diverged earlier than previously thought throughout the Levant during the Early to Middle Bronze Age transition; and
(iii) Ethiosemitic arose as the result of a single, possibly pre-Aksumite, introduction of a lineage from southern Arabia to the Horn of Africa approximately 2800 YBP."
~Andrew Kitchen, Christopher Ehret2, Shiferaw Assefa2 and Connie J. Mulligan Bayesian phylogenetic analysis of Semitic languages identifies an Early Bronze Age origin of Semitic in the Near East Proc. R. Soc. B (2009) 276, 2703–2710 doi:10.1098/rspb.2009.0408
These out migrating people mixed with groups that the met there. And this is what made the phenotype we see nowadays in that region.
quote: “Haplogroup L2a1 was found in two specimens from the Southern Levant Pre-Pottery Neolithic B site at Tell Halula, Syria, dating from the period between ca. 9600 and ca. 8000 BP or 7500-6000 BCE”
~Fernández, E. et al., MtDNA analysis of ancient samples from Castellón (Spain): Diachronic variation and genetic relationships, International Congress Series, vol. 1288 (April 2006), pp. 127-129.
Perhaps we need to review something once more.
Ancient Palestinian.
Head of a Syrian KhM 3896a TILE; RAMESSES III/USERMAATRE-MERIAMUN
Another thing is, Hg J is most likely either came from Yemen, or was taken to the Arabian Peninsula from East Africa. By people like the Soqotra who represent another outgoing population. The oldest clades denote that.
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quote: Tomb 3 Asiatic scene. Carl Richard Lepsius, Denkmäler aus Aegypten und Aethiopien, Leipzig, 1913
The scene also depicts several animals—two donkeys, an ibex, and a gazelle. The donkeys carry various bundles and other items, including a spear and two objects that have often been (mis)-identified as bellows associated with metalworking. Some of the men also hold weapons, including one traditionally identified as a “duckbilled” axe. Two of the men are carrying musical instruments.
quote: This chapter discusses the timing of the first domestication of donkeys (Equus asinus) in the southern Levant (southern Syria-Israel Palestine-/Jordan) with reference to the region’s archaeozoological record. It further examines their subsequent utilization in local exchange systems based on iconographic records (miniature, artistic-cultic representations) found in archaeological sites. More specifically, this chapter reviews data concerning the role of these beasts of burden and the possible existence of a dedicated social stratum or group of persons specializing in their use in the Early Bronze Age (ca. 3700/3600–2400 BC). These data are bolstered by additional ancient Near Eastern sources and by ethnographic examples from the New World thought to possibly represent analogous situations.
quote:Originally posted by Ish Geber: Based on a biblical narrative or on drop rule they are considered Hebrews.
Nick Cannon and Professor Griff are considered Hebrews?
Yes they are Eber (Boboro).
stop bullshitting you dont believe that
try saying something you actually believe
You asked me a question and I answered accordingly: Abore, saiah 20:4.
Had Europeans not created this 'race concept", we would not be sitting here going back and forth over this. That is what Ausar stated vs your believe in racial stereotypes.
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Wow... the wannabe caucasity of lioness in this thread.. wow..
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quote:Originally posted by Yatunde Lisa: Wow... the wannabe caucasity of lioness in this thread.. wow..
That person totally disregards the Black experience in the USA or abroad. It's not even nuanced. The long and deep history that is rooted in the Hamitic doctrine is totally being dismissed. Instead what we got to read was, "I support Asian businesses...". When was asked what that has to do with this topic, it was crickets.
The core questions proposed by Griff have totally been disregarded.
quote:Originally posted by Yatunde Lisa: Wow... the wannabe caucasity of lioness in this thread.. wow..
That person totally disregards the Black experience in the USA or abroad.
^^^^^^^ THIS!
to racists Black people are not real people, they live in their imagination as a stereotype..
To say Black people in the diaspora cannot be a Hebrew, is Maafa denial and the denial of the individuality of 12.5 million people sold into slavery and a complete lack of knowledge of Africa, it's history and it's various peoples.
Bedouins in the Negev near Be'er Sheva, Israel, 1950-1960
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quote:Originally posted by Yatunde Lisa: Wow... the wannabe caucasity of lioness in this thread.. wow..
That person totally disregards the Black experience in the USA or abroad.
^^^^^^^ THIS!
to racists Black people are not real people, they live in their imagination as a stereotype..
To say Black people in the diaspora cannot be a Hebrew, is Maafa denial and the denial of the individuality of 12.5 million people sold into slavery and a complete lack of knowledge of Africa, it's history and it's various peoples.
Bedouins in the Negev near Be'er Sheva, Israel, 1950-1960
Nasaba Historical Tours, host/ tour guide Ya'oh-shob.
Siege of Lachish - British Museum
Take a look with me at the depictions of the Ancient Israelites (Ghabaray ban Ya'oh-sharal) from the Kingdom of Judah (Ya'oh-da) by the conquering Assyrians.
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No that's not me. lol But I do have Fulani, Tuareg heritage.
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Great video, on slave market in Northern Ghana.. this video is by an American woman, and the Fulani there tell her on seeing her that she is Fulani/Peul/Hebrew
Am I Fulani? My Visit to Saakpul Slave Market/Northern Region of Ghana/HIM Tours Ghana
"The Northern Region of Ghana was largely ignored during the Year of Return, yet the horrible raiding and kidnapping of our ancestors actually began in that region, not Cape Coast and Elimina, where all the tourists converge. It’s worth the extra effort to visit the Northern Region if you really want to trace the history of our ancestors. I owed it to them to go back and just stand in the place where the upheaval began. I didn’t spend enough time. Just driving through wasn’t enough. My spirit called for a healing and reconnecting ceremony. But on that day, I walked the land and thought about what my people endured. It’s so important to start the study of history in the beginning and not in the middle. Saakpuli is 7km off the Tamale-Bolgatanga road at Disiga. Saakpuli was once a commercial hub that linked the north to the south where trade in slaves and kola nuts flourished. The most prominent remnant of the slave trade is the ancient Baobab tree that once served as a slave market. While her trunk holds tales of horror from hundreds of years ago, this magnificent tree is truly amazing to behold."
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quote:Originally posted by Yatunde Lisa: Wow... the wannabe caucasity of lioness in this thread.. wow..
That person totally disregards the Black experience in the USA or abroad. It's not even nuanced. The long and deep history that is rooted in the Hamitic doctrine is totally being dismissed. Instead what we got to read was, "I support Asian businesses...". When was asked what that has to do with this topic, it was crickets.
The core questions proposed by Griff have totally been disregarded.
The one who disregarded what Nick Cannon and Professor Griff said is you. They said nothing whatsoever about the Hamitic hypothesis
I actually quote what was said by Nick Cannon and Professor Griff instead of talking about a million things they didn't talk about. I was actually listening to their words
If you want to get written transcript to copy and paste go to where the thumbs up are under the video, to the right of that the three dots, click "open transcript" and in a minute the chat turns into a transcript Then a different three dots above the chat turns the time stamps on and off
So see if you can respect them enough to quote what they said and deal with what they said and stop talking about a million things they didn't say.
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Elijah Muhammad who Professor Griff is influenced by says he was a Muslim he didn't talk about "We are the true Hebrews". Professor Griff generally does not go around saying he's a true Hebrew
Nick Cannon says he has studied Sikhism and Moorish Science Neither of those groups say "we are the true Hebrews", the the Moorish Scientists say they are Islamic
People who try to claim "we are the true Hebrews" should at least practice the Hebrew's religion to start with and Nick Cannon doesn't
There are some legitimate black Jews in America with Hebrew ancestry
but the ones who say they are THE True Hebrews and white Jews are fake Jews are the Black Hebrew Israelites who are common in many American cities preaching on the street every week. Do you know what most of these groups say about Hamites? Of course not you dont live in America The ISUPK and other large Black Hebrews Israelite groups, most of them say the Hamites are Africans and Africans are not their brothers , that Africans are not the chosen people, they are not Hebrews. A lot of these Black Hebrews hate Africans (not all of them but the most prominent groups doing the street preaching). They say they are of the tribe of Judah
But the subject of this thread is Nick Cannon and what he said on the video, he said nothing about Hamites or the Hamitic doctrine
If you want to talk about what someone said try quoting complete sentences of what they said
quote:Originally posted by Ish Geber:
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: I support black businesses, asian businesses any business who would fire one of their employees over demonizing them, 100
What has Asian businesses to do with anything here? Especially when the topic is not about Asians at all.
I know you don't give a damn about asians but I will explain it to you
I support any group being demonized by another group. Do you know why you don't see white supremacist stuff against black people in Deshret? I delete it
I'm also in another forum now battling people who are saying police should start "cracking skulls" of the BLM
Where is Nick Cannon's proof that he is a Hebrew and why is he saying "we are the true Hebrews" Where is his proof that he or African Americans have ancestors who came from the Palestine region?
Some black people in America might have such ancestry and also legitimately practice Judaism but do most African Americans have ancestors who lived in the Levant were the Hebrews and Judaism came from? And if African Americans are the true Hebrews then why do they call themselves African? It's a bunch of bullshit Zion Lexx is not representative of most of the Black Hebrew groups in America most of these groups hate Africans. And why does Zion Lexx think he is a Hebrew? Because of this same prophesy in the bible and in addition he thinks there is a numerical code in the bible that proves blacks in America are Israelites. But you didn't didn't know that about what he teaches
You ,not being American or not having researched the topic properly wouldn't know this but most (not all) of the blacks in America who say they are Hebrews, say they are Hebrews, not Africans because of specific prophesies in the Bible, mainly Deuteronomy 28:68 of which they believe "Egypt" means bondage and in this context "Egypt" refers to America and that they are the Israelites because their ancestors were enslaved by America
This is what is being taught and you have no clue No clue to what Black Hebrew Israelites are teaching on the street corners in Black neighborhoods and no clue to the actual quotes of Nick Cannon and Professor Griff
Did they just finish a lecture of the Bedouins of the Negev and the Fula? Do the Fula go around saying they are the true Hebrews?
Again you've posted a lot of text. Let is know when you make a post of complete sentences Nick Cannon or Professor Griff said
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Zephaniah 3:10 For then I will restore pure lips to the peoples, that all may call upon the name of the LORD and serve Him shoulder to shoulder. From beyond the rivers of Cush My worshipers, My scattered people, will bring Me an offering.
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quote:Originally posted by Yatunde Lisa: Wow... the wannabe caucasity of lioness in this thread.. wow..
That person totally disregards the Black experience in the USA or abroad. It's not even nuanced. The long and deep history that is rooted in the Hamitic doctrine is totally being dismissed. Instead what we got to read was, "I support Asian businesses...". When was asked what that has to do with this topic, it was crickets.
The core questions proposed by Griff have totally been disregarded.
The one who disregarded what Nick Cannon and Professor Griff said is you. They said nothing whatsoever about the Hamitic hypothesis
I actually quote what was said by Nick Cannon and Professor Griff instead of talking about a million things they didn't talk about. I was actually listening to their words
I am not interested in this long winded baseless babble, nor am I impressed by it.
I know Griff has a channel where he spoke on the subject. I also followed some of the broadcasts after the Lyor Cohen interview on The Breakfast Club. So I know what he's referring at. I know how to read between the lines.
Tell, how old is the Hamitic doctrine?
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: Where is Nick Cannon's proof that he is a Hebrew and why is he saying "we are the true Hebrews" Where is his proof that he or African Americans have ancestors who came from the Palestine region?
Nick said, "where we from? Are we from, are we from so and so?".
Nor does it mean Hebrews are from Palestine. Palestine was merely an example. So you are making up still. As Ausar said, who you misquoted so horribly. The Hebrews originated from Africa, as Afrasan speakers who moved into the Levant. And from there we get Semitic speakers originating in the Levant. These Afroasiatic-Semitic speakers MIGRATED BACK INTO AFRICA, as far as West Africa.
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: Some black people in America might have such ancestry and also legitimately practice Judaism but do most African Americans have ancestors who lived in the Levant were the Hebrews and Judaism came from? And if African Americans are the true Hebrews then why do they call themselves African? It's a bunch of bullshit
Every person has legitimacy to practice Judaism. So you are babbling a bunch of bullshit.
"Ashkenazi Jewish ancestry is under the umbrella of “European ancestry,” but it's clear from numerous studies that people of Ashkenazi ancestry are distinct from the European population at large. Most people with Ashkenazi ancestry trace their DNA to Eastern and Central Europe." The Uniqueness of Ashkenazi Jewish Ancestry is Important for Health - 23andMe Blog
"For a more scientific take on the Jewish origin debate, recent DNA analysis of Ashkenazic Jews – a Jewish ethnic group – revealed that their maternal line is European. It has also been found that their DNA only has 3% ancient ancestry which links them with the Eastern Mediterranean (also known as the Middle East) – namely Israel, Lebanon, parts of Syria, and western Jordan." https://theconversation.com/ashkenazic-jews-mysterious-origins-unravelled-by-scientists-thanks-to-ancient-dna-97962
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: Zion Lexx is not representative of most of the Black Hebrew groups in America most of these groups hate Africans. And why does Zion Lexx think he is a Hebrew?
Because of this same prophesy in the bible and in addition he thinks there is a numerical code in the bible that proves blacks in America are Israelites. But you didn't didn't know that about what he teaches
Ok.
quote: "The Bible code (Hebrew: הצופן התנ"כי, hatzofen hatanachi), also known as the Torah code, is a purported set of encoded words hidden within the Hebrew text of the Torah, that according to its proponents, have seemingly predicted significant historical events. The statistical likelihood of the Bible code arising by chance has been researched, and two papers on the topic were published in a peer-reviewed academic journal which came to opposite conclusions. Although Bible codes have been postulated and studied for centuries, the subject has been popularized in modern times by Michael Drosnin's book The Bible Code and the movie The Omega Code."
quote:Gematria (/ɡəˈmeɪtriə/; Hebrew: גמטריא or Gimatria גימטריה, plural גמטראות or גמטריאות, gematriot)[1] is an alphanumeric code of assigning a numerical value to a name, word or phrase based on its letters. A single word can yield multiple values depending on the cipher used.
Gematria originated as an Assyro-Babylonian-Greek system of alphanumeric code or cipher that was later adopted into Jewish culture. Similar systems have been used in other languages and cultures: earlier, the Greek isopsephy, and later, derived from or inspired by Hebrew gematria, Arabic abjad numerals, and English gematria.
A well-known example of Hebrew gematria is the word chai ("alive"), which is composed of two letters that (using the assignments in the Mispar gadol table shown below) add up to 18. This has made 18 a "lucky number" among the Jewish people. Gifts of money in multiples of 18 are very popular.[2]
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: You ,not being American or not having researched the topic properly wouldn't know this but most (not all) of the blacks in America who say they are Hebrews, say they are Hebrews, not Africans because of specific prophesies in the Bible, mainly Deuteronomy 28:68 of which they believe "Egypt" means bondage and in this context "Egypt" refers to America and that they are the Israelites because their ancestors were enslaved by America
These are childish tantrums. YOU F'N DON'T KNOW NOTHING ABOUT ME.
You have nothing to do with Black America. You should have quoted the slave bible instead, which is based on the Hamitic doctrine.
Benjamin Palmer and the 'Curse of Ham': How Genesis Became a Pro-Slavery Text
quote:Originally posted by Yatunde Lisa: Straw Man. "Hebrews are from Palestine"
Zephaniah 3:10 For then I will restore pure lips to the peoples, that all may call upon the name of the LORD and serve Him shoulder to shoulder. From beyond the rivers of Cush My worshipers, My scattered people, will bring Me an offering.
quote:Originally posted by Ish Geber: These are childish tantrums. YOU F'N DON'T KNOW NOTHING ABOUT ME.
You have nothing to do with Black America. You should have quoted the slave bible instead, which is based on the Hamitic doctrine.
Let us know when find any complete sentence quotes of Nick Cannon.
So black people in America are the true Hebrews and the bible is slave master propaganda
yes, you have it figured out
Let us know when you can contradict Nick and Griff. And yes, the slave bible is real, real causes and effects. That brought the race concept and racism as we know now. This propaganda came for the Hamitic doctrine. The Hamitic doctrine also starts to explain the Trans Sahara enslavement and later the Trans Atlantic enslavement. It's the same cognitive dissonance.
So tell, how old is this Hamitic doctrine? Don't run from this like you always do.
You are always No.1 with the "back migrations into Africa" theory, but now it's a problem and virtually impossible?
"In Isaiah 11:11 we read about the return to Israel of people from Upper Egypt (literally: Syene, the town facing Elephantine). “From beyond the rivers of Cush my scattered people will bring Me offerings”, says Zephaniah 3:10 (see also Isaiah 18:1). Those texts may stem from far before the time of the destruction of the Kingdom of Israel in 722 BCE, but at least this was known far before the deportation of Judah (587 BCE). Jewish believers were living in the South of Egypt and even much further to the south (the rivers of Cush!). It is well known that Jeremiah migrated (a short time after the fall of Jerusalem) together with a large group of refugees to Egypt. This shows that large numbers of Jews were living in Egypt, Sudan and even Ethiopia, and as well: that believers in Israel were aware of it and that they felt connected with them." ~Bram Krol.
You started something you can't finish. Now go cry yourself to sleep.
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quote:Originally posted by Ish Geber:
The long and deep history that is rooted in the Hamitic doctrine is totally being dismissed.
You see, this female element is prime in determining Jewish lineage. It can seperate Israel identity from Jewish identity, the latter could from converted mothers.
Remember the Zephaniah text says the Israel people beyond Kush descend from the daughters of the people that the Hebrew deity calls his own. From beyond the rivers of Kush shall they bring my suppliants even the DAUGHTER of my dispersed ...
quote: These are childish tantrums. YOU F'N DON'T KNOW NOTHING ABOUT ME.
You have nothing to do with Black America. You should have quoted the slave bible instead, which is based on the Hamitic doctrine.
Benjamin Palmer and the 'Curse of Ham': How Genesis Became a Pro-Slavery Text
How many people believe the following and which people do they belong to and what has been its effect on world history and who's life experience in pre-judgement is impacted by it?
A man gets drunk and sexually exposes himself. His young grandson sees it and reacts naively. The boy's father lightheartedly spreads the tale. In his hangover the man curses his own flesh to slavery and all the innocent offspring of that flesh through all eternity.
quote:Originally posted by Tukuler: You see, this female element is prime in determining Jewish lineage. It can seperate Israel identity from Jewish identity, the latter could from converted mothers.
Remember the Zephaniah text says the beyond Kush people descend from the daughters of the people the Hebrew deity calls his own.
quote: "Many assure us that the Jews are descended from those Ethiopians who were driven by fear and hatred to emigrate from their home country when Cepheus was king. There are some who say that a motley collection of landless Assyrians occupied a part of Egypt, and then built cities of their own, inhabiting the lands of the Hebrews and the nearer parts of Syria. Others again find a famous ancestry for the Jews in the Solymi who are mentioned with respect in the epics of Homer: this tribe is supposed to have founded Jerusalem (4) and named it after themselves."
quote: “Ziv said that many Jewish-Ethiopian customs go against modern Jewish practice, but perfectly align with customs and rituals described on scrolls found in the Qumran caves and in books dating back to the Second Temple Period. The Qumran Caves are where the Dead Sea Scrolls were found, which include the third oldest Hebrew Bible ever found.”
quote:"EEJ are the largest and most investigated Jewish community, yet their history as Franco-German Jewry is known to us only since their appearance in the 9th century, and their subsequent migration a few hundred years later to Eastern Europe [4,5]. Where did these Jews come from? It seems that they came to Germany and France from Italy [5-8].
It is also possible that some Jews migrated northward from the Italian colonies on the northern shore of the Black Sea [9]. All these Jews are likely the descendents of proselytes.
Conversion to Judaism was common in Rome in the first centuries BC and AD. Judaism gained many followers among all ranks of Roman Society [10-13]."
The autosomal genetic distance analysis presented here clearly demonstrates that the investigated Jewish populations do not share a common origin.
The resemblance of EEJ to Italians and other European populations portrays them as an autochthonous European population.
**The demographic histories of three Jewish populations exemplify how different demographic patterns make the uniparental markers more reliable for Iraqi (Babylonian) Jews and Yemenite Jews and less reliable for EEJ. Both Yemenite Jews and Iraqi Jews resemble populations from their regions of origin according to autosomal markers [1,3,30-32].
**Babylonian Jews numbered more than a million in the first century AD [35], and constituted the majority of the population in the area between the Euphrates and the Tigris in the 2nd-3rd centuries AD [36]. Gilbert [37] estimates that by 600 AD there were 806,000 Jews in Mesopotamia, and according to Sassoon [38] it was inhabited by about a million Jews in the 7th century. In the 14th century the estimates for Baghdad alone range from 70,000 to hundreds thousands [38].
*By comparing the structure of the STRs network among the various Ashkenazi populations and among the various European non-Jewish populations they reached the conclusion that a single male founder introduced this haplogroup into Ashkenazi Jews in the first millennium.
~Avshalom Zoossmann-Diskin1,2,3 et al.
1 Department of Haematology and Genetic Pathology, School of Medicine, Flinders University, Adelaide, Australia 2 Department of Human Genetics, Sackler Faculty of Medicine, Tel-Aviv University, Israel 3 Current Address: Blood Bank, Sheba Medical Center, Ramat-Gan 52621, Israel
The origin of Eastern European Jews revealed by autosomal, sex chromosomal and mtDNA polymorphisms
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Beta Yisrael did have Hebrew customs and nearby Teimaniym still have old Hebrew language not the reconstituted modern Hebrew that Yiddish German Ashkenzi Jews invented after imbibing Teimani wisdom.
quote:Haplogroup L2a1 was found in two specimens from the Southern Levant Pre-Pottery Neolithic B site at Tell Halula, Syria, dating from the period between ca. 9600 and ca. 8000 BP or 7500-6000 BCE.
~Fernández, E. et al., MtDNA analysis of ancient samples from Castellón (Spain): Diachronic variation and genetic relationships, International Congress Series, vol. 1288 (April 2006), pp. 127-129.
quote: This study showed that lineage expansions and population expansions in 3 continents began before Neolithic Time. In Africa, 11 lineages (L0a1a, L1b1a3, L1b1a, L2a1a, L2a1c, L2a1, L3b1a, L3e1, L3e2a, L3e2b and L3d1–5) out of 15 star lineages shared by different populations were estimated to coalesce above 10 kya, and African samples also showed a 5-fold growth ~15−11 kya, while agriculture in Africa emerged ~7 kya.
~Hong-Xiang Zheng et al. MtDNA analysis of global populations support that major population expansions began before Neolithic Time doi: 10.1038/srep00745
quote: Jericho, Arabic Arīḥā, town located in the West Bank. Jericho is one of the earliest continuous settlements in the world, dating perhaps from about 9000 BCE. Archaeological excavations have demonstrated Jericho’s lengthy history.
quote:Originally posted by Yatunde Lisa: Great video, on slave market in Northern Ghana.. this video is by an American woman, and the Fulani there tell her on seeing her that she is Fulani/Peul/Hebrew
Am I Fulani? My Visit to Saakpul Slave Market/Northern Region of Ghana/HIM Tours Ghana
"The Northern Region of Ghana was largely ignored during the Year of Return, yet the horrible raiding and kidnapping of our ancestors actually began in that region, not Cape Coast and Elimina, where all the tourists converge. It’s worth the extra effort to visit the Northern Region if you really want to trace the history of our ancestors. I owed it to them to go back and just stand in the place where the upheaval began. I didn’t spend enough time. Just driving through wasn’t enough. My spirit called for a healing and reconnecting ceremony. But on that day, I walked the land and thought about what my people endured. It’s so important to start the study of history in the beginning and not in the middle. Saakpuli is 7km off the Tamale-Bolgatanga road at Disiga. Saakpuli was once a commercial hub that linked the north to the south where trade in slaves and kola nuts flourished. The most prominent remnant of the slave trade is the ancient Baobab tree that once served as a slave market. While her trunk holds tales of horror from hundreds of years ago, this magnificent tree is truly amazing to behold."
I finally had time to look at it and it confirms what he have discussed. You have to read through the pages.
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^^^^ I believe that is the study who found 3 slaves from the Lake Chad region
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us know when you can contradict Nick and Griff. And yes, the slave bible is real, real causes and effects.
So the regular bible, the Old Testament and New Testament
you call this the "slave bible" ?
So do you have anything important to address pertaining the slave bible, or are you going to make more excuses over the Hamitic doctrine? It's at the basis of "Western Civilization".
"Watch David Charles Mills, author of "Unholy: The Slaves Bible," read excerpts from his book Oct. 14 at the Bishop Joseph Johnson Black Cultural Center at Vanderbilt University."
Tell, how old is this Hamitic doctrine? This is the second time I am asking you this. Let's see how long it's going to take for you this time, to answer this question.
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all this hamticism and special DNA to seperate east from west africa... then you see the tribe of Dan in real time... I see african people not that much different from any other african people..
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all this hamticism and special DNA to seperate east from west africa... then you see the tribe of Dan in real time... I see african people not that much different from any other african people..
Once we truly start to understand this Hamitic doctrine, we will truly see how deep it goes. All these prejudices directly and indirectly correlate with the Hamitic doctrine. They literally wrote hundreds of thousands of books to dehumanize Black people. The efforts to dehumanize Black people have been endless.
I suggest you download this and save this.
Blacks Are Cursed -- Full Sermon (February 24, 2019) Pastor John Koletas
Tell, how old is this Hamitic doctrine? This is the second time I am asking you this. Let's see how long it's going to take for you this time, to answer this question.
The slave bible is an edition of the Bible specifically made for educating slaves. Its full title was: Select Parts of the Holy Bible for the use of the Negro Slaves in the British West-India Islands. It was produced in England in the early 19th century for use in the British West Indies (the part of the British Empire in the Caribbean). Such bibles had all "references to freedom and escape from slavery" excised, while passages encouraging obedience and submission were emphasized. _________________________________
I didn't know about this Slave Bible
Anyway the Hamitic hypothesis was started to a degree by Giuseppe Sergi in 1901 with his book the Mediterranean race and then it was further elaborated on by C. G. Seligman in his book in his book The Races of Africa
But there was also W. G. Browne, who in his book Travels in Africa, Egypt and Syria was published in 1806, insisted that the Egyptians were white.
In the mid-19th century, scholars started talking about a "Hamitic race".
This term "Hamitic race " is no longer in anthropology but today many Black Hebrew Israelites (not all) say that "Hamites" are Africans generally all over the African continent. They says they, the Black Hebrews lived among Africans but they are not African Hamites, they are the chosen People, Israelites of the tribe of Judah
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Tell, how old is this Hamitic doctrine? This is the second time I am asking you this. Let's see how long it's going to take for you this time, to answer this question.
The slave bible is an edition of the Bible specifically made for educating slaves. Its full title was: Select Parts of the Holy Bible for the use of the Negro Slaves in the British West-India Islands. It was produced in England in the early 19th century for use in the British West Indies (the part of the British Empire in the Caribbean). Such bibles had all "references to freedom and escape from slavery" excised, while passages encouraging obedience and submission were emphasized. _________________________________
I didn't know about this Slave Bible
"The slave bible is an edition of the Bible specifically made for educating slaves.".
You are uttering BS, as you do so often. The slave bible was created to they could justify slavery, by taking out certain parts of the Bible. It's because of cognitive dissonance, "that beastly like behavior" Nick Cannon was talking about.
You didn't know and still don't know about the slave bible, because didn't read the book, nor did you look at the lecture by Avid Charles Mills.
‘Slave Bible’ Removed Passages To Instill Obedience And Uphold Slavery | NBC Nightly News
"The “Slave Bible” on display at Washington’s Museum of the Bible has a mere 232 chapters, showing how whole chapters were removed to instill obedience, prevent rebellions and promote the horror of slavery".
"SO ABOUT 90% OF THE OLD TESTAMENT HAS BEEN REMOVED [...] OLD TESTAMENT HAS BEEN REMOVED AND ABOUT 50% OF THE NEW TESTAMENT"
You are not Black as you always wanted to make us believe. And that explains how you want to gloss over this history. It's almost hilarious the way you keep making excuses for the dehumanization of Black people.
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: Anyway the Hamitic hypothesis was started to a degree by Giuseppe Sergi in 1901 with his book the Mediterranean race and then it was further elaborated on by C. G. Seligman in his book in his book The Races of Africa
But there was also W. G. Browne, who in his book Travels in Africa, Egypt and Syria was published in 1806, insisted that the Egyptians were white.
In the mid-19th century, scholars started talking about a "Hamitic race".
This term "Hamitic race " is no longer in anthropology but today many Black Hebrew Israelites (not all) say that "Hamites" are Africans generally all over the African continent.
That was the wrong answer, so I am going to ask you once more, for the third time now. How far back does the Hamitic doctrine go? I already gave a hit by mentioning Trans Sahara Slavery.
And for the record, things like the "school to prison pipeline system" go directly into the Hamitic doctrine. And you been a black woman as you self-proclaimed, you would have understood this.
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: "They says they, the Black Hebrews lived among Africans but they are not African Hamites, they are the chosen People, Israelites of the tribe of Judah"
quote:Originally posted by Ish Geber: I am going to ask you once more, for the third time now. How far back does the Hamitic doctrine go? I already gave a hint by mentioning Trans Sahara Slavery.
Apparently you have the Hamitic Hypothesis confused with the Curse of Ham which is not the same thing I How far back does the Hamitic doctrine goes.
Tell us instead of wasting everybody's time with these games
Then after that tell us why you can't stay on topic, what was said in this interview
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quote:Originally posted by Ish Geber: I am going to ask you once more, for the third time now. How far back does the Hamitic doctrine go? I already gave a hint by mentioning Trans Sahara Slavery.
Apparently you have the Hamitic Hypothesis confused with the Curse of Ham which is not the same thing I How far back does the Hamitic doctrine goes.
Tell us instead of wasting everybody's time with these games
"The Curse of Ham" is the Hamitic doctrine that was spread all around the old to the new world.
So I am going to ask you for the fourth time. How far back does the Hamitic doctrin go? I mean, you are the specialist here amongst "us". So stop wasting our time and educate us on the topic you claim to know so well. חָ֣ם
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: Then after that tell us why you can't stay on topic, what was said in this interview
In your mind you think you are in an advantaged position, while all this thread does is expose you. You can't hang, so you create little tactics you run away from the deeper layers on the subject.
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So I am going to ask you for the fourth time. How far back does the Hamitic doctrin go? I mean, you are the specialist here amongst "us". So stop wasting our time and educate us on the topic you claim to know so well.
Again, you have an ongoing reading problem I just told you I don't know
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quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: Again, you have an ongoing reading problem
It's you who has the comprehension disability, not me. You are merely derailing, distracting the topic and looking for multiple excuses. This is your usual vile tactic when you can't respond but try to come off as intelligent. Had you stated from the first request on, "I don't know what the f*k I am talking about", we all would have respected that more. For this reason you are being clowned, once more.
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: I just told you I don't know
But if you don't know the subject why start on the subject? That just odd. All throughout this thread you have been making excuses for the dehumanization of Black people that goes back the 6th century.
And who is this "us" you keep mentioning?
חָ֣ם
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quote:Originally posted by Ish Geber: But if you don't know the subject why start on the subject? That just odd.
Again you have a reading problem
I didn't start on the subject of the Hamitic
you did.
This topic is about what Nick Cannon said about Jews in an interview with Richard Griffin and neither of them mentioned the Hamitic in the interview
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quote:Originally posted by Ish Geber: But if you don't know the subject why start on the subject? That just odd.
Again you have a reading problem
I didn't start on the subject of the Hamitic
you did.
Again you are derailing, since you have been denouncing the facts I have mentioned. When Griff spoke of the "elders", who and what did he mean?
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: This topic is about what Nick Cannon said about Jews in an interview with Richard Griffin
And I told you the deeper layers of this history. This conversation didn't start just here with Griff and Nick.
You are not intelligent enough to make a proper analysis, so all you had to was making excuses. Literally every claim (lie) you've made in this thread has been debunked.
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quote:Originally posted by Ish Geber: But if you don't know the subject why start on the subject? That just odd.
Again you have a reading problem
I didn't start on the subject of the Hamitic
you did.
Again you are derailing, since you have been denouncing the facts I have mentioned. When Griff spoke of the "elders", who and what did he mean?
I could go to the video and do the work for you putting down the exact compete sentence quotes of Griff but why should I be the only one who actually does the work to get the quotes? I would be stupid to continue to do other people's work for them
I also dont wast by time with rhetorical questions that people come up with to try to test me instead of being brave enough to put something on the table
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quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: could go to the video and do the work for you putting down the exact compete sentence quotes of Griff but why should I be the only one who actually does the work to get the quotes? I would be stupid to continue to do other people's work for them
All you say is stupid sh*t. Just like all of the subjects we have verified here. All you have was and is guesses.
This conversation between Nick and Griff goes beyond the what was said there. There is more politics in to this. Saying we are the Hebrews isn't the most horrible thing. Certainly not in comparison to the 1700 year old Hamitic doctrine that has led to the dehumanization of Black people.
During the Nick Griff conversation, Griff spoke of a few books. And in particular one book. What is that book about?
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: I also dont wast by time with rhetorical questions that people come up with to try to test me instead of being brave enough to put something on the table
It's only rhetorical if you don't know the subject, which you have proven to be right. You made claims and you've been tested. YOU FAILED HORRIBLY! And even when you failed you still continued with your lies that you kept defending.
I even had a lecture posted by Benjamin Palmer and the 'Curse of Ham, explaining part of this history, which you obviously didn't look at, since you keep uttering to put things on the table.
And in fact the answer to the question was given in this post. So that reading disability you are uttering is once again on your onus.
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