Immunogenetics. 2004 Jan;55(10):674-81. Epub 2003 Dec 2.
Gm and Km immunoglobulin allotypes in Sicily.
Cerutti N, Dugoujon JM, Guitard E, Rabino Massa E.
Department of Animal and Human Biology, University of Turin, Via Accademia Albertina 17, 10123, Turin, Italy.
The presence of a typical African marker (haplotype Gm 5*;1,17;…), especially in the genetic structure of Alia and Palermo, highlights the possibility of past contacts with peoples from Africa. [...] Therefore, the introduction of an African polymorphism could have been due to the Phoenician colonization or to the more recent Arab conquest of the territory (9th century A.D.).
A study (Semino et al. 1989) carried out with restriction enzymes on mtDNA indicated the presence of African haplotypes (4.4%) in a sample of Sicilians.
The authors hypothesized an input of genes from Africa to Sicily (estimated at about 10%) brought by Phoenician migrations.Posts: 7419 | From: North America | Registered: Mar 2009
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This is a worthless study for historical purposes. "Could have" "or to..." These genetic studies are worthless without historical context and you guys are too uneducated to understand that.
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No goofball, you just throw this stuff up against the wall and hope it sticks. The study you posted had not a drop of historical meaning nor did it even assert that it did. In fact nut it even stated it did not really understand the reasons. This is why your brains have turned into mush. You read this stuff and then invent your own conclusions.
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SICULI: "Ancient Sicilian tribe that occupied the eastern part of Sicily. Old tales related that the Siculi once lived in central Italy but were driven out and finally crossed to Sicily, leaving remnants behind.... They are hard to identify archaeologically, although some words of their Indo-European language are known."
SICANI: "According to ancient Greek writers, the aboriginal inhabitants of western Sicily, as opposed to the Siculi of eastern Sicily. Archaeologically there is no substantial difference between Sicani and Siculi (Sicels) in historical times; but ancient authorities believed the Sicani to be Iberians from Spain...."Posts: 7419 | From: North America | Registered: Mar 2009
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quote:Originally posted by IronLion: SICULI: "Ancient Sicilian tribe that occupied the eastern part of Sicily. Old tales related that the Siculi once lived in central Italy but were driven out and finally crossed to Sicily, leaving remnants behind.... They are hard to identify archaeologically, although some words of their Indo-European language are known."
SICANI: "According to ancient Greek writers, the aboriginal inhabitants of western Sicily, as opposed to the Siculi of eastern Sicily. Archaeologically there is no substantial difference between Sicani and Siculi (Sicels) in historical times; but ancient authorities believed the Sicani to be Iberians from Spain...."
"...but Grand Master tell me, who are the Iberians?"
THE IBERIANS
Historians have suggested that they may have originated in North Africa. This portion of the theory is supported by an observation of C. Michael Hogan who points out similarities between Chalcolithic artefacts in Iberia with Neolithic pottery in parts of Morocco.
The Iberians would have initially settled along the eastern coast of Spain, and then possibly spread throughout the rest of the Iberian Peninsula....
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Rome was actually a colony of the African Carthegenians.
It rebelled and this led to the Punic Wars.
With the unexpected defeat of Glorious Kart Hadarst by upstart Rome, the Roman Empire began.
Being a colony of the African Carthegenians, who then lived there? Africans, like Scipio Africanus who fought off the Mother country Carthage and Hannibal.
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Thinking along hammered's lines: Rome was created by African farmers.
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By the time the Greeks placed their own colonies in western Sicily, the Carthaginians had already occupied the western end of the island, and for centuries the two sides struggled indecisively to seize control of the whole island. In 264, the Romans began a major war with the Carthaginians in Sicily (the First Punic War, 264-242), eventually wrestling away Sicily, Corsica and Sardinia from the Carthaginians. During the Second Punic War (218-202), the Carthaginian general Hannibal inflicted major defeats on the Romans, who eventually won the day, restricting the Carthaginians to their own immediate territory in Africa." See http://www.ualberta.ca/~csmackay/CLASS_110/Hittites.html
quote:Originally posted by The Explorer: Thinking along hammered's lines: Rome was created by African farmers.
Darn right!
Scozzari et al. (2001) identify a Y-chromosome mutation that "diverged from the ancestor HG25.1 somewhere in North Africa a few thousand years ago", and is thus indicative of recent gene flow from North African males. The authors report that the marker "HG25.2 was seen at generally low frequencies in Spain, France, and Italy"...
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Cruciani et al. (2004) confirm the above, using the frequencies of 'Berber' mutations (now labeled E-M81 and E-M78β) in large sample populations to estimate that North African paternal admixture within the past 5000 years amounts to 1.5% in Northern Italians, 2.2% in Central Italians, 0% in Southern Italians, 1.4% in Sardinians and 1.4% in Sicilians...
See Cruciani et al. (2004) Phylogeographic analysis of haplogroup E3b (E-M215) Y chromosomes reveals multiple migratory events within and out of Africa. Am J Hum Genet; 74
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Lion, You are full of baloney. Rome was never a colony of Carthage, nor was Carthage ever african. You guys are too old and stupid to ever learn even 10th grade history. You quote these genetic studies without a clue of how to use them or even if they can be used at all. Maybe it is best that you guys are pinned up together here on egyptsearch.
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Blood group phenotypes and the origin of sickle cell hemoglobin in Sicilians.
Sandler SG, Schiliro G, Russo A, Musumeci S, Rachmilewitz EA.
As an approach to investigating the origin of sickle cell hemoglobin (hemoglobin S) in white persons of Sicilian ancestry, two groups of native Sicilians were tested for blood group evidence of African admixture. Among 100 unrelated Sicilians, the phenotypes cDe(Rho) and Fy(a-b-), and the antigens V(hrv) and Jsa, which are considered to be African genetic markers, were detected in 12 individuals. Among 64 individuals from 21 families with at least one known hemoglobin S carrier, African blood group markers were detected in 7 (11%). These findings indicate that hemoglobin S is only one of multiple African genes present in contemporary Sicilian populations. The occurrence of hemoglobin S in white persons of Sicilian ancestry is considered to be a manifestation of the continuing dissemination of the original African mutation.
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quote:Originally posted by Hammer: Lion, You are full of baloney. Rome was never a colony of Carthage, nor was Carthage ever african. You guys are too old and stupid to ever learn even 10th grade history. You quote these genetic studies without a clue of how to use them or even if they can be used at all. Maybe it is best that you guys are pinned up together here on egyptsearch.
PUT UP OR SHUT THE FVCK UP!
JEEEZEE, STOP WHINING LIKE A BITCH!
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quote:Originally posted by IronLion: SICULI: "Ancient Sicilian tribe that occupied the eastern part of Sicily. Old tales related that the Siculi once lived in central Italy but were driven out and finally crossed to Sicily, leaving remnants behind.... They are hard to identify archaeologically, although some words of their Indo-European language are known."
SICANI: "According to ancient Greek writers, the aboriginal inhabitants of western Sicily, as opposed to the Siculi of eastern Sicily. Archaeologically there is no substantial difference between Sicani and Siculi (Sicels) in historical times; but ancient authorities believed the Sicani to be Iberians from Spain...."
"...but Grand Master tell me, who are the Iberians?"
THE IBERIANS
Historians have suggested that they may have originated in North Africa. This portion of the theory is supported by an observation of C. Michael Hogan who points out similarities between Chalcolithic artefacts in Iberia with Neolithic pottery in parts of Morocco.
The Iberians would have initially settled along the eastern coast of Spain, and then possibly spread throughout the rest of the Iberian Peninsula....
Iberian pottery has been found in France, Italy, and North Africa. The Iberians were placed under Carthaginian rule for a short time between the First and Second Punic Wars. They supplied troops to Hannibal's army.
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quote:Originally posted by the lioness: Iron, when did Rome turn honkey?
Lioness, Rome never turned honkey. Rome continued to fight barbarian invasion and corruption until its last Emperor Romulus Agustus.
The job of Rome was to hold off the barbarians from invading the outside world.
When Rome fell, the barbarians broke loose of their bounds. Like hounds and demons of hell they spread over the earth bringing with them death, disease, genocide, global pollution, peadophilia, and more mental diseases...
It was only following the barbarian destruction of Rome that pink-whites came into their own. It was only the fall of your prison guard Rome that caused genocide in America, Africa, China, India,...
When Rome was on its feet, barbarians were kept canned deep in the caucasus. No chance to make trouble.
And that is where I end my exposition.....
Those with ears may hear, those with eyes let them see, those prepared for destruction, shall surely reach their destination.
Good night Lioness...
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quote:Originally posted by the lioness: Iron, when did Rome turn honkey?
Lioness, Rome never turned honkey. Rome continued to fight barbarian invasion and corruption until its last Emperor Romulus Agustus.
The job of Rome was to hold off the barbarians from invading the outside world.
When Rome fell, the barbarians broke loose of their bounds. Like hounds and demons of hell they spread over the earth bringing with them death, disease, genocide, global pollution, peadophilia, and more mental diseases...
It was only following the barbarian destruction of Rome that pink-whites came into their own. It was only the fall of your prison guard Rome that caused genocide in America, Africa, China, India,...
When Rome was on its feet, barbarians were keep canned deep in the caucasus. No chance to make trouble.
And that is where I end my exposition.....
Those with ears may hear, those with eyes let them see, those prepared for destruction, shall surely reach their destination.
Good night Lioness...
Good night to the Jooos that fouch u
So are you saying that the following Romans were black Africans? I'm not sure what you're saying. If not black Africans or black people how would you categorize them?
Dunce! You never pay attention in class.
I will recap!
The no go area of popular fictionalized white bwoy history is that "the Aryans built Rome".
How true is this?
No it is a damned lie! The truth was that Rome was a multi-ethnic Empire. Any true scholar with the slightest mastery of classics will attest to this.
Rome as well as the entire southern and central and western Europe was built by aboriginal black Europeans sometimes called the mysterious Celts, NIGRI-LATINIS, the IBERIANS or the Maurs.
Sometimes authors attribute the origin of Rome to Etruscans, or to Greeks or to Canaanites. It is generally acknowledged that those three powers were themselves basically multi-ethnic, and also that the Canaanites were singularly black and African in origin.
Later we get an influx of barbarians nomads, who were assimilated and romanized.
Then slaves from the Slavic and Germanic tribes were captured from Northern Europe and used on Roman plantations in Central Europe.
And then one must not forget that the cultural founts of Rome was not anywhere on the European mainland but in North Africa, with Egypt and the province of Africa being the most sophisticated, and civilized in arts, science and culture. The cultural capital of the Roman Empire was Alexandria in Egypt.
All the inhabitants of the Roman provinces of Africa could easily attain to Roman citizenship and even aspire to become Emperors of Rome.
Not so for today's so-called white people who were actually called barbarians and hated by the Roman state and Empire. They were the threats of the day, the potential carries of contagions mental and spiritual, eroders of morality. Besides the oracles of Delphi had forcasted that barbarians whites would eventually overun the emipre.
They eventually did. Bursting the barriers of imperial Rome which had contained them in Central Europe, the barbarians gothic an slavic hordes swamped Rome, southern and central Europe, western Europe as well, bursted into Africa, and then onwards to the Americas and Australia. Like demons released from hell.
Those Barbarians are the direct ancestors of todays so-called Italians, French, Germans, English, Beligia, Holland, Sweden, Russia, and the whole of the so-called white races of todays Europa.
And those gothic descendants have spent a thousand years, re-writing history, destroying monuments, burning books and libraries, in an attempt to hide the truth about themselves, and to usurp the majesty and excellence of the great black civilizations. They would trick the black children (the real owners of this world) into a life of complancency and surbodination, wherein they are unable to assert their legitimacy.
Which is why they have invested so much energy in re-writing and retelling the story of the Roman Empire and its fall, at the hands of the barbarians so-called whites.
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These guys are full of double speak. They say "multi racial empire" implying the romans were multi racial. Truth is the Romans were white caucasian Europeans who RAN a multi racial empire.
They are a laughing stock in all university history departments.
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Rome as well as the entire southern and central and western Europe was built by aboriginal black Europeans sometimes called the mysterious Celts, NIGRI-LATINIS, the IBERIANS or the Maurs.
Iron, are you saying the below people were black?
If so please post some photos of modern people who think are similar to them,
Rome as well as the entire southern and central and western Europe was built by aboriginal black Europeans sometimes called the mysterious Celts, NIGRI-LATINIS, the IBERIANS or the Maurs.
Iron, are you saying the below people were black?
If so please post some photos of modern people who think are similar to them,
thank you
quote:Originally posted by IronLion:
Later we get an influx of barbarians nomads, who were assimilated and romanized.
Then slaves from the Slavic and Germanic tribes were captured from Northern Europe and used on Roman plantations in Central Europe.
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Notice these loons never mention the Brits who were Roman citizens and part of the empire and lived in a Romanized British society for centuries.
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Rome as well as the entire southern and central and western Europe was built by aboriginal black Europeans sometimes called the mysterious Celts, NIGRI-LATINIS, the IBERIANS or the Maurs.
quote:Originally posted by IronLion:
Later we get an influx of barbarians nomads, who were assimilated and romanized.
Then slaves from the Slavic and Germanic tribes were captured from Northern Europe and used on Roman plantations in Central Europe.
quote:Originally posted by IronLion: Rome continued to fight barbarian invasion and corruption until its last Emperor Romulus Agustus.
So Iron, are the above Emperors white or black?
Also please post some photos of modern people who you think they look similar to, thank you
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Rome as well as the entire southern and central and western Europe was built by aboriginal black Europeans sometimes called the mysterious Celts, NIGRI-LATINIS, the IBERIANS or the Maurs.
Iron, are you saying the below people were black?
If so please post some photos of modern people who think are similar to them,
thank you
quote:Originally posted by IronLion:
Later we get an influx of barbarians nomads, who were assimilated and romanized.
Then slaves from the Slavic and Germanic tribes were captured from Northern Europe and used on Roman plantations in Central Europe.
Black Roman Saint Theordore Stratelate
Another potrakit of Theordore Stratelate
The same Roman Black Theordore Stratelate now painted with a wig
Saint Dionysus of Roman era Alexandria
Saint Peter of Roman era Alexanderia Posts: 7419 | From: North America | Registered: Mar 2009
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Rome as well as the entire southern and central and western Europe was built by aboriginal black Europeans sometimes called the mysterious Celts, NIGRI-LATINIS, the IBERIANS or the Maurs.
quote:Originally posted by IronLion:
Later we get an influx of barbarians nomads, who were assimilated and romanized.
Then slaves from the Slavic and Germanic tribes were captured from Northern Europe and used on Roman plantations in Central Europe.
quote:Originally posted by IronLion: Rome continued to fight barbarian invasion and corruption until its last Emperor Romulus Augustus.
Iron, I see what you are saying about Saint Dionysus, Saint Theordore Stratelate and Saint Peter.
but were the above Emperors white or black?
It's a fair question. Your thread is titled "was the Roman Empire white" and I'm asking you about these Emperors above.
Also please post some photos of modern people who you think they look similar to, thank you
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Iron, I see what you are saying about Saint Dionysus, Saint Theordore Stratelate and Saint Peter.
blah blah blah....
It is better when you see it yourself.
Now go fuch the Jew that does you.
Goodnight Sweetheart...
Well, I'll have to see the original Saint Dionysus, Saint Theordore Stratelate and Saint Peter.
but were the Emperors I posted above white or black? I was wondering since it seems to relate to the thread topic.
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If you want to engage me intellectually, then make your points intelligible and backed up with sources.
Descriptions of Roman Emperors..
Nero-He was about the average height, his body marked with spots and malodorous, his hair light blond, his features regular rather than attractive, his eyes blue and somewhat weak, his neck over thick, his belly prominent, and his legs very slender.
He had clear, bright eyes, in which he liked to have it thought that there was a kind of divine power, and it greatly pleased him, whenever he looked keenly at anyone, if he let his face fall as if before the radiance of the sun; but in his old age he could not see very well with his left eye. His teeth were wide apart, small, and ill-kept; his hair was slightly curly and inclining to golden; his eyebrows met. His ears were of moderate size, and his nose projected a little at the top and then bent slightly inward.110 His complexion was between dark and fair.
^^^^ Restoration of a Roman Emperor using Ultraviolet light..
^^^^ painted lime plaster mask and skull of a man Roman Period 100-170 CE Diospolis Parva (Hu) Egypt
^^^^^^^ Painted Plaster cartonnage mask of a woman from the Roman Period 100-120 CE
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^^^^ Iron Lion's ancient Roman-Rasta ancestor...LMAO
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Archaeologists have revealed the remains of what they say was a “high status” woman of African origin who lived in York during Roman times.
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Remains of the Ivory Bangle Lady, as she has been named, were studied in Reading using forensic techniques.
She was first discovered in the Bootham area of York in August 1901.
Her remains were in a stone coffin near Sycamore Terrace in the city.
Her grave dates back to the second half of the 4th Century. She was buried with items including jet and elephant ivory bracelets, earrings, beads and a blue glass jug.
She also had a rectangular piece of bone, which is thought to have originally been mounted in a wooden box, which was carved to read, “Hail, sister, may you live in God’.
The grave goods and skeletal remains of the Ivory Bangle Lady were studied by the archaeology department of the University of Reading.
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