Sorry Doug for messing up the thread. My brother and 10yo just back from the tour. Didn't like the guide he said next time he will do Asha Kwesi. Said there is definitely a difference between Cairo and Luxur. Seems to be strong ethnic line between the Nubians and the "Egyptians". He will drop some pics on a DVD for me. I will see if I can post some good ones. Said the size of the temples etc are unbelievable.
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quote:Originally posted by alTakruri: He gets them down at the crossroads from Elegba!
quote:Originally posted by Tyrann0saurus: ^ Agreed, Doug always seems to find the best wall paintings. I wonder where he finds them?
alTakruri, what are you really saying? Your cryptography goes over my head often times.
Please break it down for the learners.
Also, please do be extra vigilant with your TNV account. The gang is very sore right now. I have dragged them around on a leash tied to the behind of my chariot for many days now on ES.
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Whom are you referring to as "Nubian" here? Egyptians from Luxor to Aswan are Egyptians. Self identified "Nubians" are those who live in the extreme North of Sudan. They are Sudanese by nationality. So what you really seem to be saying is that there is a strong line between Cairene Egyptians and Egyptians from the South, which makes sense to anyone who knows anything about the last 2000 years of Egyptian history.
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Yep. That's why I used quotation marks. Apperently the Nubians don't like to be classified as . . . the "other" group.
One observation he made was the MONEY brought in by AE tourism. Not sure about this but he said (tourguide) that tourism was the largest money earner in Egypt. And this is an oil producing country. And guess who are the tourist. Not AA. But white Europeans. Millions . . .maybe not so much. . .of them every year.
His 10yr really enjoyed it. Was eager to talk about it. Eye opening trip you a young Black male.
quote:Originally posted by Doug M: Whom are you referring to as "Nubian" here? Egyptians from Luxor to Aswan are Egyptians. Self identified "Nubians" are those who live in the extreme North of Sudan. They are Sudanese by nationality. So what you really seem to be saying is that there is a strong line between Cairene Egyptians and Egyptians from the South, which makes sense to anyone who knows anything about the last 2000 years of Egyptian history.
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You still haven't answered the question. Who are you referring to as "Nubian"? What regions and people are you considering "Nubian" and what is the distinguishing factor? Darker skinned people in Upper Egypt are EGYPTIANS, not "Nubians".
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I haven't seen the people he was referring to but knowing my brother I will assume he was talking about(nubians) the non-Arabs AA looking Egyptians. Whom he considers the AE.
quote:Originally posted by Doug M: You still haven't answered the question. Who are you referring to as "Nubian"? What regions and people are you considering "Nubian" and what is the distinguishing factor? Darker skinned people in Upper Egypt are EGYPTIANS, not "Nubians".
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I understand but Non Arab, AA looking Egyptians are just that Egyptians. Nubians are those around Aswan into Northern Sudan and they self identify as such. Calling someone in Egypt Nubian just because they have dark skin in Egypt is a misapplication of the term IMO.
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Old Kingdom, late Dynasty 5-early Dynasty 6, circa 2371-2288 B.C. Probably from Saqqara Wood, gessoed and painted; alabaster, obsidian, and copper 51.1, Charles Edwin Wilbour Fund
Senenmut and Neferura:
Modern Egyptian art in the making. (Alabaster)
Painting kerosene on Egyptian wall reliefs (helps preserve them):
Thutmose IV Peristyle Hall by Horus 2008 by Kairoinfo4u on Flickr:
Tutankahmun:
Djeser-djeseru, Hatshepsut’s temple Luxor, Egypt 2 Portico Hall of Punt Thutmosis III wearing the Khepresch crown appears in front of Amun offering two jars of myrrh
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It seems that at sometimes, there wasn't as much yellow paint than at others (they used whites, yellows, reds, greens, blues and blacks to create the colors we see -- or so I've read). I'll post later after confirming in Supercar's AE art Lessons thread.
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Egypt Qila el-Dab'a old Kingdom necropolis of Ain Asil قلاع الضبة
This guy looks JUST LIKE a friend of mine, and has that SAME smirck on his face, lol:
This is blurrier and further out and smaller than the one of the soldiers I posted a page back (that I always post, for lack of other pictures), but it's from a different angle I think (the other one was from straight ahead) and smaller frame.
I would post the infamous 'Berlin Bust' of NAZI Germany that Europeans - especially those who are not French - seem to be particularly proud of. But seeing as how it looks completely different from the way it did when they 'found' it, I won't.
quote:Originally posted by Please call me MIDOGBE: I've also noticed that every pic of a Napatean royal women I've seen depicts her in red, i.e. the same complexion of Kings: Queen Qalhata, mother of King Tanwetamani : King Taharqa and his wife Dikahatamani:
I also remember reading from an Assyrian royal text I forgot the name that Taharqa's relatives were referred as being as "black as asphalt". So what I get from the data I've seen so far is that Kushites borrowed Egyptian color symbolism and adapted it to their kingship, the royal women having a equal status to men at the time of the Napata period already (cf. Babacar SALL).
Maybe this, as well as only old fat male individuals in the OK kingdom being painted in yellow would indicate that the red/yellow dichotomy had a value originally associated with manhood/feminity that also evolved into a more abstract activeness/softness symbolism.
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quote:Originally posted by Psusennes I: I hope I am doing this right. There aren't any rules or anything? You just post pictures and sculptures of the Ancient Egyptians I assume:
Funerary stela of Mer-Hathor-Ites. Early Ptolemaic period.
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quote:Originally posted by Psusennes I: Detail of the Animal on the offering bearer
Detail of Basket:
It is fantastic that such simple objects are so fantastic and intricate. One must remember that the most common finds in Egypt are common home and basic burial objects- and some of these are just as amazing as even the greatest treasures of Egypt.
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quote:Originally posted by Willing Thinker {What Box}:
A joke about a post some misguided Bantu poster made accusing moderation of being pro-Horn African (we had alot of intra african ethnic wars in this forum in the past).
Anyway..
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quote:Originally posted by Obelisk_18: The good old days
...Bantu cattle....
^^Nice pic of war captives.
Ps - Matter of fact, here is a Kushite/"Nubian", with his enemies:
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^ Amazing the lengths of distortion and obfuscation Western scholars in the past went through to say that these people above were somehow not black but 'caucasian'. I wonder what explanations they had for the remaining dark paint that were the peoples' complexions.
quote:Originally posted by Alive: Ancient Egyptian JENA 6, bytch!
^ The kneeling men in that mural above represent the 'giant' Levantine types subdued from northern Palestine and Syria as was also described in the Bible.
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quote:Originally posted by Djehuti: ^ Amazing the lengths of distortion and obfuscation Western scholars in the past went through to say that these people above were somehow not black but 'caucasian'. I wonder what explanations they had for the remaining dark paint that were the peoples' complexions.
Really deep suntans?
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