quote:Originally posted by Djehuti: ^ Racism as a powerful ideology--once it has taken hold of the mind--can take on the symptoms of and is frighteningly akin to that of a mental disorder, in that reality or the interpretation thereof becomes eskewed.
Thus, when Petrie noticed the "negroid" features of certain queens he came to the conclusion that Pharoahs married women of a "lower" type.
When white explorers came across the remains of advanced cultures or civilizations in 'Sub-Sahara', they automatically assumed them to be work of foreigners like Phoenicians or even Egyptians (who were thought to be "caucasians"). Even when no such evidence supports such a thing and all of the available evidence points to the opposite-- that the native peoples were responsible.
It is because of such sensless irrationality that I and others agree that racism is a mental disorder. People like Horemheb are ones who suffer from it, and places in the net like "Racial Reality", "Stormfront", "American Rennaisance" etc. are the unofficial nuthouses of people who suffer from such.
And the same is true for non-white racists, even black ones like Clyde Winters and his followers (Marc Washington, Lord, etc.) who mimic the same bias and illogical modus operandi as the white racists he goes against, when he ignores all valid linguistic data and writes (makes up) his own or distorts genetic evidence all to make up the 'history' or his fantasies in which blacks created civilization everywhere in the globe, including Europe and white people did not appear until the Middle Ages just appearing out of nowhere and displacing (eradicating?) the true black indigenees of Europe. And I assume this was the case with East Asia (China) and the Americas.
Again, racism is a mental disorder!
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LOL, So Greek civilization is a colony of Egypt after All...Im gonna go but Black Athena and I hop Mary Lefcrowitz and her people will now retract their conclusions.
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^^ Indeed. I can definitely see the red hair and blue eyes of Mentuherkhepeshef. Why even the name sounds so Celtic! LMAOPosts: 26238 | From: Atlanta, Georgia, USA | Registered: Feb 2005
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You think our resident 'art expert' lyingass would make some reply to a thread that is 8 pages long in Egyptian artwork.
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Truthcentric, did you ever notice how that the Egyptians in some of this art look black
while others like this below look like they don't look black or perhaps uncertain
look at the features, although you have some Somalis and Ethiopians who don't have the broad features this guy doesn't look like them. They usually have longer narrower heads.
or look at this;
look at the very small nose with small nostrils doesn't even look Semitic like some horn Africans, doesn't look broad like SSA noses. Some of the ancient Egyptians definately look like black Africans to me. Others like the above look like they might be Levantines or Mediterraneans, Sea people, Europeans or something, or some mix thereof. Doesn't look African to me. I could be wrong but find me a tribe of people with small noses like that, not single anecdotal examples. Or look at the relief in the center, the nose is slightly upturned. Some of the Ethiopians and Somalis have straight noses but they point downward like the Semites. This nose does not look like that.
I realize that that's politically incorrect and not a political advantage for black people but that's the way I see it.
I could sort of ignore what my eyes are telling me and say dark skin, in Africa, he's one of ours but I just feel dishonest in doing so. And the Levant and mid East are so close by, closer than the horn. The culture seems multi racial to me, it's a natural conclusion. Why is it such an issue? because people want have it all one way or the other. I apologize to the other black people in this forum for this but I think the sense of a political advantage here is greatly overestimated.
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Shawabti box and shawabtis, New Kingdom, reign of Ramesses II, ca. 1279–1213 b.c. Egyptian; From the tomb of Sennedjem, Deir el-Medina, western Thebes Painted wood; limestone and ink
Source: Shawabti box and shawabtis [Egyptian; From the tomb of Sennedjem, Deir el-Medina, western Thebes] (86.1.14,.18,.21) | Heilbrunn Timeline of Art History | The Metropolitan Museum of Art Posts: 1038 | From: Franklin Park, NJ | Registered: Aug 2005
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^ Beautiful! Beautiful! Wow! Much of this stuff is new to me as I've never seen them before!
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I was waiting for the dumb liar to make her move..
quote:Originally posted by the lyingass: Truthcentric, did you ever notice how that the Egyptians in some of this art look black
while others like this below look like they don't look black or perhaps uncertain
And exactly how is the mahogany complexioned man above not black??!
quote:look at the features, although you have some Somalis and Ethiopians who don't have the broad features this guy doesn't look like them. They usually have longer narrower heads.
Apparently it hasn't occurred to you that blacks variation is greater than just the Horn or the Congo, you dummy.
quote:or look at this;
look at the very small nose with small nostrils doesn't even look Semitic like some horn Africans, doesn't look broad like SSA noses. Some of the ancient Egyptians definitely look like black Africans to me. Others like the above look like they might be Levantines or Mediterraneans, Sea people, Europeans or something, or some mix thereof. Doesn't look African to me. I could be wrong but find me a tribe of people with small noses like that, not single anecdotal examples. Or look at the relief in the center, the nose is slightly upturned. Some of the Ethiopians and Somalis have straight noses but they point downward like the Semites. This nose does not look like that.
Again you fail to grasp the phenotypic diversity of Africans which correlates to their genetic diversity. If YOU haven't seen Africans with very small noses, that's too bad for you. I live near a divers African community and I have. But it doesn't matter what I say because your anti-African race-mix ideology won't allow you to accept anything that counters it.
quote:I realize that that's politically incorrect and not a political advantage for black people but that's the way I see it.
And I realize that it is not a matter of politics but FACTS, and how you see things is also irrelevant as your views are skewed by your ideology.
quote:I could sort of ignore what my eyes are telling me and say dark skin, in Africa, he's one of ours but I just feel dishonest in doing so. And the Levant and mid East are so close by, closer than the horn. The culture seems multi racial to me, it's a natural conclusion. Why is it such an issue? because people want have it all one way or the other. I apologize to the other black people in this forum for this but I think the sense of a political advantage here is greatly overestimated.
And you could say whatever the hell you want including your claim that you are African (even though everyone knows otherwise). Your reasoning of Egypt's geographic proximity to the Levant is also flawed as was explained to you countless times.-- Egypt is STILL in and very much part of Africa. Since the Mideast is right next to Africa/Egypt, why can't it be argued that the Mideast is an extension of Africa instead of Asia?? In fact, geologically we know this to be true with the Arabian plate breaking away from Africa and the landscape of both the Levant and Arabia continuous with that of Africa. We know that since the Pleistocene Africans have migrated from Africa into the Near East giving rise to the Kebarans, Natufians, and Harifians-- all described as having African even "Sub-Saharan" traits. But keep telling yourself the lie of Eurasian input being responsible for Egyptian civilization if it puts you at ease from knowing blacks by themselves created one of the great sophisticated cultures of the ancient world. Even though such a culture has been shown to you in detail as being African ONLY. Posts: 26238 | From: Atlanta, Georgia, USA | Registered: Feb 2005
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quote:Originally posted by the lioness: And the Levant and mid East are so close by, closer than the horn. The culture seems multi racial to me, it's a natural conclusion.
Yes, there were a few communities of Asiatics in Egypt, particularly during the Middle and New Kingdom. You know how we know this? Because their names are distinct from those of the majority of the Egyptian population. Egypt may have had some ethnic minorities, but it was founded by blacks who formed the majority of the population. Egypt was no less a black civilization than America is a white one.
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quote:Originally posted by the lioness: And the Levant and mid East are so close by, closer than the horn. The culture seems multi racial to me, it's a natural conclusion.
Yes, there were a few communities of Asiatics in Egypt, particularly during the Middle and New Kingdom. You know how we know this? Because their names are distinct from those of the majority of the Egyptian population. Egypt may have had some ethnic minorities, but it was founded by blacks who formed the majority of the population. Egypt was no less a black civilization than America is a white one.
America is 1/3 non-white
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quote:Originally posted by Djehuti: Egypt is STILL in and very much part of Africa. Since the Mideast is right next to Africa/Egypt, why can't it be argued that the Mideast is an extension of Africa instead of Asia?? In fact, geologically we know this to be true with the Arabian plate breaking away from Africa and the landscape of both the Levant and Arabia continuous with that of Africa.
yes the naming is arbitrary, you could say there was input from the the Middle Easterners who were "Africans" Similarly Greeks who came up with the concept of continents debated over including what we now call Africa as part of Asia
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^ Speaking of which, it is the Greeks themselves who were mixed or multiracial as was shown here! So basically your point about geographic proximity is null and void. Glad you could rectify that.
quote:Originally posted by the lionass: America is 1/3 non-white
You mean modern America as opposed to ancient America which was 100% non-white. And ancient Egypt which has nothing to do with modern America.
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quote:Originally posted by the lioness: America is 1/3 non-white
That's still a minority, even if it's a large one, and I didn't mean to imply that ancient Egyptians were 1/3 non-black. I rather meant that they were no less black than America is white.
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quote:Originally posted by Djehuti: ^ Speaking of which, it is the Greeks themselves who were mixed or multiracial as was shown here! So basically your point about geographic proximity is null and void. Glad you could rectify that.
quote:Originally posted by the lionass: America is 1/3 non-white
You mean modern America as opposed to ancient America which was 100% non-white. And ancient Egypt which has nothing to do with modern America.
As you can see above when Truthcentric said America he meant modern America, read back
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quote:Originally posted by Djehuti: Again you fail to grasp the phenotypic diversity of Africans which correlates to their genetic diversity.
I ma an African American. I live in an area about 40% black. I gave been to Africa twice. I am well aware of African diversity. Why do you keep changing the subject? The subject is not a large continent called Africa. The subject is Egypt. Looking at comparisons it would make much more sense to draw a 1000 mile radius around Egypt but you would rather have racial nationalism based on terms devised by Europeans, namely Africa and Asia.
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^ Quit with the lies already. Not too long ago you said you were West African. Now you are saying you are an African American who's been to West Africa.
Whatever you are, you are an anti-African ignoramus. That's for certain.
Now this thread is about Ancient Egyptian art, not YOUR twisted racial fancies!
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quote:Originally posted by Djehuti: ^ Quit with the lies already. Not too long ago you said you were West African. Now you are saying you are an African American who's been to West Africa.
Whatever you are, you are an anti-African ignoramus. That's for certain.
Now this thread is about Ancient Egyptian art, not YOUR twisted racial fancies!
I am of West African descent you damn fool. My grandmother was born there.
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For this post I'll be concentrating on Egyptian depictions of their gods. I think that if anyone really wants to racially analyze Egyptian artwork, they should look at images of the gods, as their facial features are probably more likely to represent the Egyptian ideal than the faces of individual mortals:
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And the same is true for non-white racists, even black ones like Clyde Winters and his followers (Marc Washington, Lord, etc.) who mimic the same bias and illogical modus operandi as the white racists he goes against, when he ignores all valid linguistic data and writes (makes up) his own or distorts genetic evidence all to make up the 'history' or his fantasies in which blacks created civilization everywhere in the globe, including Europe and white people did not appear until the Middle Ages just appearing out of nowhere and displacing (eradicating?) the true black indigenees of Europe. And I assume this was the case with East Asia (China) and the Americas.
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