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Some examples of tomb art that is not often seen outside of Egypt. Note there are hundreds if not thousands of tombs all over Egypt, many of which still have some paint and MOST of them are hardly ever seen by the public outside of Egypt. Not only that many of these tombs still have remains in them and are in a state of disrepair. Many also are wide open to the public with no protection from dampness or moisture or tampering.
quote:Originally posted by Doug M: ...Not only that many of these tombs still have remains in them and are in a state of disrepair. Many also are wide open to the public with no protection from dampness or moisture or tampering.
I wonder why.
Could it be because they preserved the very dark paint? What about all those other murals where the original paint is preserved but are still displayed in various media?
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quote: The original meaning of the Maypole dates back to the spring fertility festivals of India and Egypt. The Maypole was decorated with flowers and streamers. The streamers were held by dancers who circled the pole, weaving a pattern as they passed each other during the dance. The pole represents the masculine principle of nature whereas the wreath represents the feminine principle.
So many black people. Note the vast contrast in skin color between people on the wall murals and the nordic tourists taking the pics.
Those on the wall are so black, most have thick lips and . . .prognatism. Sounds so . . . negroid.
Maybe they are heavily tan, caucasoids, with thick lips and prognatism. LOL!
Many of the paintings are faded imagine what they looked like when freshly painted. Reminds of the Bejas and some Somalis. ie jet black Africans.
Even the "egyptians" on TV(Cities) don't align with those on the walls.
Why there is a debate is beyond me.
Nice pics, added many to my collection.
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many arabs have thick lips as well. There ae no black people in those pictures, it is a figment of your fertile imagination.
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^ Of course Natural is right. What Texan (in the right mind) would deny peoples with chocolate dark skin from Africa as anything other than 'black'??
quote:Originally posted by TheAmericanPatriot: many arabs have thick lips as well. There ae no black people in those pictures, it is a figment of your fertile imagination.
LMAO
Keep telling yourself that 'professor' if it makes you feel better, but there are many blacks with thin lips as well but NON of those pictures with the mahogany to ebony complexions are 'Arabs'!
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^Also, so what if arabs also have thick lips as well. We can rule out these people as being arab. Arabs didn't exist at this time.
We can also rule out these people as being "caucasion". They are to dark. Dark brown "caucasion" Africans with tans is really a stretch. Almost comical when you think about it.
What is PAT left with at this point?
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^ Of course Pat is left with nothing as usual.
First of all there is no such thing as 'race' since racial classifications such as 'cacasoid' are as specious and subjective as 'negroid' or 'mongoloid'. Therefore, scientifically they are not valid and thus don't exist!
Africans vary in features and complexions but are pretty much consistent in that all have tropical adaptations in the form of limb proportions and dark coloring.
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Could'nt agree more nuary32 honestly i'm mixed race and the only people i resemble in these portraits/art are the greco-roman influenced fayum portraits,the apparently "white egyptians" are far far blacker than me.
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Note the symbols of authority held by Osiris, which are very reminiscent of the symbols of authority of the Pope: Note also the Shen ring in between the Eyes of Ra, similar to the black dot or red dot symbolizing the third eye in India. From: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Egypte_louvre_210_stele.jpg
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I wonder what Philippe J. Rushton has to say about all these portraits. Maybe he'll say that the paint has gotten "darker" with age or that it's rust! LOL Perhaps he'll dismiss all the obvious black figures as being 'Nubian' servants. I'm still waiting on portraits of white ancient Egyptians. Posts: 26239 | From: Atlanta, Georgia, USA | Registered: Feb 2005
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I see no reasonable motives to refute the fact's here.Because it right here in the face's of the racist bigot people and with the lairs and cheater's that change history to suit there beliefs.The Ancient artist's of that time knew for a fact what there own people look like and draw them as best they could have to there likeness.When you see theses pictures and look closely..How can someone say with a sane mind say that the first 1 though 25 dynasty's(With the invasions and immigration of different groups that mixed over time in the last of light of ancient kemet)of Anicent Kemet were other then Native African people of the south it's literally crazy for any sane uncorrupted person in any field to think other wise.
Why do we need all these people from different country's that is not of African descent and or not from Africa.Coming into Africa and doing there own study's and test and undoing what ancient Africa people have done for many years.Just because they dislike us and give us false information and distort images and statues and dig up mummies (African People) for there own greed need's and there purpose's is really sicken to say the least.
I read somewhere that when they first started digging up ancient mummies that they used to grain them up make them into to fine powder(Thinking that it hide some magically power's which is fucking wrong) and put it on them which is sick.They are what we call Europeans at that time and now they want to be the very people that there ancestors grain up and put on there skin..yea right .Disrespecting your ancient family and digging them up is something that (Only namely Europeans and and some others do) and Native African people would!!! not do that for greed and for the wrong purposes.
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Should we really be using Egyptian art as an argument for their biological affinities? The skin tones aren't necessarily realistic, unless you want to argue that ancient Egypt was populated by red men and yellow women.
This is one of not many images in Egyptian art where a woman doesn't look like she's wearing a wig. Any more images of women wearing just their natural hair like this?
quote:Originally posted by Truthcentric: Should we really be using Egyptian art as an argument for their biological affinities? The skin tones aren't necessarily realistic, unless you want to argue that ancient Egypt was populated by red men and yellow women.
Yes, only as long as you realize these are portraits of black Africans depicted in natural brown tones with yellow and other colors used for symbolic purposes. All women were not depicted as yellow in AE art a great many were also depicted in the same shades as the men. Does anyone question the whiteness of the Greeks even when their art depicted the men as black skinned and the women as white? First and foremost it is art and therefore it has an artistic and cultural context as well as an ethnographic context. ALL Greek art is not explicitly realistic enough to use as a basis for determining physical features. Yet some of it is. The same goes for AE art.
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quote: Egypt photos A couple of people have asked me to post somewhere (like here) a few photos of my work in Egypt. I of course took thousands (actually literally) of them, most of them in and around Deir El-Bahari and the Temple of Hatshepsut in particular. Where they show any unpublished part of a site for which somebody else has the concession however, publishing these here would require the agreement of the Mission director (and possibly now under new rules maybe somebody from the SCA), and I have not applied for (and cannot be bothered to apply for) such permission. I could of course flaunt that requirement, but am not inclined to.
But here's one that should be OK. The notice says you cannot photo the Temple of Hatshepsut at the end of the road from afar without having a ticket... the ticket office is of course far in the distance... by the temple (duh). Note the big black police car speeding towards me as I take the photo (OK, carefully chosen moment, I knew what time the afternoon shift goes home and waited). Now, while I understand the attitude that the SCA feel they need to control the availability of photos of iconic monuments (English Heritage debated the same thing with monuments like Stonehenge a few years back), this is obviously futile and counter-productive.
Worse still, you can no longer take photos in the Valley of Kings, no not just in the royal tombs, but in the Valley itself outside them. You are now supposed to surrender your camera at the entrance. This was because so many tourists ignored the ban on damaging and distracting photography in the tombs (scil. the gaffirs guarding the tombs were not stopping tourists from doing this, just garnering "bakshish" to allow them to). If I want to show you a photo of me standing in my pith helmet and jodphurs in front of the entrance to KV62 I cannot (well, I can, because have one from last time I was there two years ago). This is just nuts. More to the point, nowhere can one buy - even a extortionate tourist rate prices - ANY decent photos produced by the SCA of any of the tombs - inside or out. Unless of course you buy one of Zahi Hawass's latest lavishly illustrated books and rip the pages out. Anyhow here's the best I could do for a photo of the Valley of Kings this year. That's illegal too as you are not supposed to be in the hills above it either - despite all the guidebooks telling you what a wonderful walk it is (recommended is Ken Weeks' "Luxor"). My guess is that the more the Egyptians try to stop people doing things while on holday (walking around, taking photos) the more people are going to go off Egypt as a holiday destination, which would be a shame.
Of course it comes off like folks have something to hide and want to manipulate more than anything else.
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