quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: One of the moderators is name Crimson Guard I think he may even own the site. he is considerd to be somewhat of a white supremacist.
He doesn't own that site. RR ("Racial Reality") does. CG is a mod there. Both of them are clowns and are laughed at by virtually everyone.
There's currently a thread at forumbiodiversity entitled 'Racial Reality and his views' which is discussing Crimson Guard as well.
quote:^^^ here Crimson Guard has posted a long David MacRitchie section called OUR DARKER FOREFATHERS.
MacRitchie had nothing to do with that. The "Our Darker Forefathers" is a section of the book, Origin of the Anglo-Saxon race by T. W. Shore (1906). Its one of the texts Afrocentrics distort and quote mine, along with Macritchie's literature. Shore actually clarifies what the "dark" element among the Saxons was - Wends (e.g. West Slavs living near Germanic settlement areas).
quote: the funny thing is Faheemdunkers aka Anglo_Pyramidologist aka cassisertides aka on that site aka TRUTHSEEKER (now banned posted a critical comment
This was many years back, before I actually corrected the quote-mine:
- As you can see I actually came to obtain two original copies in 2011, and am one of the few people to own them.
After I read them, and actually learnt about MacRitchie's views I became a proponent of them. I also updated the Wikipedia entry entirely.
Afrocentrics have lied about Macritchies' theories. They actually have absolutely nothing to do with Negroids, but Ainuids and Australoids. So prior to having read his work, I assumed the Afrocentrics were right in what they were saying about his theories.
If it wasn't for me tracking down his work in original print and updating the Wiki entry, there would still be Afrocentrics claiming Macritchie was asserting there was some palaeolithic Negroid substratum in UK.
quote: ironically he uses Wiercinski as a source on Egyptian morphology. Clyde cited Wiercinski on Olmecs
Wiercinski's "Negroid" isn't Negroid in the stadard use of the term. Clyde and the other Afrocentrics will of course fall for this mistake. Wiercinski' "Oriental" was not Mongoloid either. The Polish school of anthropology under Wiercinski and Michalski never used standard names as they are commonly understood. I clarified this when posting Wiercinski's typological study on the egyptians.
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quote:Originally posted by Faheemdunkers: ]MacRitchie had nothing to do with that. The "Our Darker Forefathers" is a section of the book, Origin of the Anglo-Saxon race by T. W. Shore (1906). Its one of the texts Afrocentrics distort and quote mine, along with Macritchie's literature. Shore actually clarifies what the "dark" element among the Saxons was - Wends (e.g. West Slavs living near Germanic settlement areas).
OUR DARKER FOREFATHERS.
ONE of the facts concerning the colour of the hair and eyes of the people in different counties of England at the present time, brought to light by scientific observations, is that there is a higher percentage of people of a mixed brown type living in Hertfordshire, Buckinghamshire, Wiltshire, and Dorset, than in most other counties. Except those in Cornwall and on the old Celtic borders, the inhabitants of these counties are the darkest. This is usually explained on the supposition that in the process of the Saxon settlement a British population was allowed to remain in these parts of England, which in the course of centuries became mixed with the inhabitants of Anglo-Saxon descent, and consequently the present population is more marked than those of pure descent by brown, hazel, or black eyes, with brown (chestnut), dark-brown, or black hair.1 The counties of Hertford and Buckingham have people as dark as Wales. All investigation goes to show that this brunette outcrop is a reality. Beddoe found that the area in which there is a larger percentage of brown people in England extends from the river Lea to the Warwickshire Avon. In dealing with the circumstances of the settlement, these ethnological facts must receive consideration. The survival
of a British population is a possible explanation, and the one which appears to be the most natural. As there are some difficulties in this conclusion, the question arises, Is there any other way in which the origin of these mixed brown people, surrounded by others of a somewhat fairer complexion, can be explained? An alternative explanation is that people of a darker race may have come with the Angles, Saxons, or Danes, and have settled largely in these parts of the country. There is circumstantial evidence that people of a brown or dark complexion did come into England during the time of both the Saxon and the Danish settlements, and this may now be summarised.
First, we have the evidence that Wends were among the settlers either during the early period or later in alliance with the Danes. The Wends, specifically so called by the Germans, included some tribes much darker than the Saxons and Angles, as the remnant of the race still called Wends living on the border of Saxony and Prussia at the present time shows. They are the darkest people in Northern Germany, according to the official census. From 26 to 29 per cent, of the children of the Wendish district of Lusatia, south of Dresden, were shown by this census to be brunettes, notwithstanding the admixture of race with the much fairer people of Teutonic descent which has been going on along this borderland since the dawn of history. All the Slav nations are not dark. Some are as fair as the Scandinavians, while others, such as the Wends and the Czechs of Bohemia, are dark.
The Wendish place-names in Buckinghamshire and on its borders help to show that some people of this race probably settled in that county. Huntingdon tells us that during the later Saxon period they formed part of the Scandian hosts.1 They were in alliance with the Norwegians, Danes, Swedes, Goths, and Frisians, or, in 1 Henry of Huntingdon's Chronicle, Bonn's ed., p. 148.
any case, people of these races were acting together in the Danish expeditions against England. It is likely, therefore, that when permanent settlements were formed adjoining townships would be occupied by people of this alliance. This consideration helps us to identify Wendlesbury in Hertfordshire.1 Wendover and its neighbourhood in Buckinghamshire, the Anglo-Saxon Wendofra,2 and Windsor, anciently Wendlesore,3 close to the southern border of that county, were probably named after settlers who were Wends.
If British people were left, as suggested, like an eddy between the main lines of the Anglo-Saxon advance east and west of these counties, would it not be very surprising that the advancing Saxons should make no use of the existing Roman roads — the Watling Street, Ikenield Street, and Akeman Street — which passed through parts of these shires, while the Ermine Street also went through Hertfordshire? To suppose that invaders and subsequent settlers would have forsaken the excellent roads which the Romans had made, and in their advance would have passed through the more difficult country east and west of them, thus leaving undisturbed a British population, is most unlikely.
Secondly, these counties are not specially marked by the survival of Celtic place-names, nor by a dialect containing words of Celtic origin. In Anglo-Saxon times there was, however, a place named Wealabroc, in Buckinghamshire.
Thirdly, it should be remembered that the western border of Buckinghamshire was at one time the western frontier of the Danelaw, which comprised fifteen counties known as Fiftonshire, until after the Norman Conquest, and that Danish law survived for more than a century after the Conquest east of this frontier.4 This fact points
to a population largely Scandian. There is, in addition, evidence that points to Norwegians of a brunette appearance as another source whence brown-complexioned people may have come into England. On the south-east coast of Norway, and here and there on the coast farther north, a population is met with which differs from the usual Norwegian type, and this has been referred by anthropologists to a very ancient settlement there of the prehistoric brown race that survives in the highlands of Central Europe, and is known as the brown Alpine race.1 This race is believed to have extended before the dawn of history much further northwards in Germany. The brown people of Norway are well seen in Joderen, where Arbo found the blonde and really dark-haired people about equally represented. The Norwegian brunettes differ from the typical blondes of that country in two other particulars. First, they are broad-headed, while the blondes, which comprise the bulk of the nation, are long-headed; and not only are the broader-headed people of these coast-districts darker as a whole, but in them the broad-headed individuals tend to be darker than the other type, as Arbo has clearly shown.2 Secondly, the broadest-headed people of these localities in Norway incline to shortness of stature below that of the typical Norwegian.
From Huntingdon's statement concerning Vandals as Danish allies and these considerations, there appears to be evidence to account for the greater percentage of brunettes, or the greater tendency to the brunette type, that prevails in Hertfordshire and Buckinghamshire over the adjoining counties, without necessarily concluding that such an ethnological phenomenon can only have been caused by a remnant of the British population. It is, indeed, an unlikely district for Celtic people to have been left in large numbers. On the contrary, in view of its excellent communications, it is a country where the conquest by the early settlers might be expected to have been most thorough. Whether the Hertfordshire and Buckinghamshire brunettes are partly due to the settlement of Wends and Norwegians of the dark type, as now suggested, or to some other cause, the British theory as a complete explanation, in view of the facts, appears improbable. The chief lines of the AngloSaxon advance during the early settlement were the navigable rivers and the Roman roads. The Scandian advances into the country during their conquests and later settlements must have been along the same lines of communication. On one occasion, at least, we read of the Danish host presumably using the Ikenield way, on the march from East Anglia into Dorset.
This consideration of the probable origin of the great proportion of brunettes in two of the south midland counties of England leads us to that of colour-names as surnames and place-names, which may probably have been derived from their original settlers. For example, there is the common name Brown. This has been derived from the Anglo-Saxon brun, signifying brown. It is not reasonable to doubt that when our forefathers called a man Brun or Brown, they gave him this name as descriptive of his brown complexion. The probability that the brunettes were common is supported by the frequent references to persons named Brun in AngloSaxon literature. Brun was a name not confined to England in the Anglo-Saxon and later periods. On the contrary, we find that it was a common name in ancient Germany.2 The typical place-name Bruninga-feld occurs in a charter of ^Ethelstan dated A.d. 938, 'in loco qui Bruninga-feld dicitur.'3 Brunesham, Hants, is mentioned in a charter of Edward the Elder about A.d. goo.
Brunesford is another suggestive name.1 Brunman is mentioned as a personal name in Anglo-Saxon records of the eleventh century, and examples of the name Bruning are somewhat numerous in documents of the same period.2 At the present time old place-names, of which the word Braun forms the chief part, such as Braunschweig or Brunswick, are common in Germany.3 The custom of calling people by colour - names from their personal appearance, or places after them, was clearly not peculiar to our own country. It is probable that the name Brunswick was derived from the brown complexion of its original inhabitants. The map published by Ripley, based on the official ethnological survey of Germany, shows that parts of the country near Brunswick have a higher percentage of brunettes than the districts further north. Beddoe also made observations on a number of Brunswick peasantry, and records some remarkable facts relating to the proportion of brunettes among those who came under his observation.4
In view of this, and the evidence relating to the use of the Anglo-Saxon word brun in English place-names, we are not, I think, justified in deciding that all English names which begin with Brun, modernized into Burn in many cases by the well-known shifting of the r sound, have been derived from brun, a bourn or stream, rather than from brun, brown. Such names as Bruninga-feld5 and Brunesham point to the opposite conclusion, that Brun in such names refers to people, probably so named from their complexions. If a large proportion of the settlers in the counties of Buckingham and Hertford were of a brown complexion, it is clear that they would have been less likely to have been called Brun or Brown by their neighbours than brunettes would in other counties, where such a complexion may have been rarer, and consequently more likely to have attracted the notice of the people around them. It is not probable that people who were originally designated by the colournames Brown, Black, Gray, or the like, gave themselves these names. They most likely received them from others.
The evidence concerning brown people in England during the Anglo-Saxon period which can be derived from the place-name Brun is supplemented by that supplied in at least some of the old place-names beginning with dun and duning. Dun is an Old English word denoting a colour partaking of brown and black, and where it occurs at the beginning of words in such a combination as Duningland,1 it is possible that it refers to brown people or their children, rather than to the AngloCeltic word dun, a hill or fortified place.
As regards the ancient brown race or races of North Europe, there can be no doubt of their existence in the south-east of Norway and in the east of Friesland.2 There can be no doubt about the important influence which the old Wendish race has had in the north-eastern parts of Germany in transmitting to their descendants a more brunette complexion than prevails among the people of Hanover, Holstein, and Westphalia, of more pure Teutonic descent. We cannot reasonably doubt that, in view of such a survival of brown people as we find at the present time in the provinces of North Holland, Drenthe and Overijssel, which form the hinterland of the ancient Frisian country, numerous brunettes must have come into England among the Frisians. It would be as unreasonable to doubt this as it would to think that during, the Norwegian immigration into England all the brown people of Norway were precluded from leaving their country because they were brunettes, or that the Wends, who undoubtedly settled in England in considerable numbers, were none of them of a brunette type.
The survival of some people with broad heads and of a brown type in parts of Drenthe, Guelderland, and Overijssel appears unmistakable.1 They present a remarkable contrast in appearance to their Frisian neighbours, who are of a different complexion in regard to hair and skin, and are specially characterized as longheaded.
It was in Gelderland that ancient Thiel was situated, and the men of Thiel and those of Brune were apparently recognised as different people from the real Frisians, for in the later Anglo-Saxon laws relating to the sojourn of strangers within the City of London it is stated that 'the men of the Emperor may lodge within the city wherever they please, except those of Tiesle and of Brune.'a
The evidence concerning the origin of the broad-headed Slavonic nations connects them with the broad-headed and still older Alpine brown race of Central Europe. The most generally accepted theory among anthropologists as to the physical relationship of the Slavs is that they were always, as the majority of them are to-day, of the same stock as the broad-headed Alpine race.3 This old race has sometimes been called the Celtic, but it is perhaps more accurate to say that it is the very ancient stock from which the old Celtic race of the British Bronze Age was an offshoot. This curious circumstance, consequently, comes before us in considering the AngloSaxon settlement of England. If the brunette character of the people of any part of England at the present time is due to a survival of the race characters of the Celts of the British Bronze Age, and if this same character has been caused partly by people of a darker complexion and broad heads settling as immigrants among the fairhaired and long-headed Teutons in other parts of England, this racial character in both cases can be traced along different lines to the same distant source.
The consideration of the evidence that people of brunette complexions were among the Anglo-Saxon settlers in England leads on to that of people of a still darker hue, the dark, black, or brown-black settlers. Probably there must have been some of these among the Anglo-Saxons, for we meet with the personal names Blacman, Bloecman, Blakernan, Blacaman, Blac'sunu, Blaecca, and Blacheman, in various documents of the period.1 Blaecca was an ealdofman of Lindsey who was converted by Paulinus; Blaecman was the son of Ealric or Edric, a descendant of Ida, ancestor of Ealhred, King of Bernicia, and so on.2 The same kind of evidence is met with among the oldest place-names. Blacmannebergh is mentioned in an Anglo-Saxon charter ;3 Blachemanestone was the name of a place in Dorset,4 and Blachemenestone that of a place in Kent.5 Blacheshale and Blachenhale are Domesday names of places in Somerset, and Blachingelei occurs in the Domesday record of Surrey. The name Blachemene occurs in the Hertfordshire survey, and Blachene in Lincoln. Among the earliest names of the same kind in the charters we find Blacanden in Hants and Blacandon in Dorset. The places called Blachemanestone in Dorset and Blachemenestone in Kent were on or quite close to the coast, a circumstance which points to the settlers having come to these places by water rather than to a survival of black people of the old Celtic race having been left in them.
Among old place-names of the same kind in various counties, some of which are met with in later, but still old, records, we find Blakeney in Gloucestershire; Blakeney in Norfolk ; Blakenham in Suffolk ; Blakemere,1 an ancient hamlet, and Blakesware, near Ware in Hertfordshire. This Hertford name is worthy of note in reference to what has been said concerning the brunettes in that county at the present time. Another circumstance connected with these names which it is desirable to remember is the absence of evidence to show that the Old English ever called any of the darker-complexioned Britons brown men or black men. Their name for them was Wealas. So far as I am aware, not a single instance occurs in which the Welsh are mentioned in any AngloSaxon document as black or brown people ; on the contrary, the Welsh annals mention black Vikings on the coast, as if they were men of unusual personal appearance.2
There is another old word used by the Anglo-Saxons to denote black or brown-black—the word sweart. The personal names Suart and Sueart may have been derived from this word, and may have originally denoted people of a dark-brown or black complexion. Some names of this kind are mentioned in the Domesday record of Buckinghamshire and Lincolnshire. These may be of Scandinavian origin, for the ekename or nickname Svarti is found in the Northern Sagas.3 Halfden the Black was the name of a King of Norway who died in 863. The so-called black men of the Anglo-Saxon period probably included some of the darker Wendish people among them, immigrants or descendants of people of the same race as the ancestors of the Sorbs of Lausatia on the
borders of Saxony and Prussia at the present day. Some of the darker Wends may well have been among the Black Vikings referred to in the Irish annals,1 as well as in those of Wales.2 and may have been the people who have left the Anglo-Saxon name Blacmanne-berghe, which occurs in one of the charters,3 Blachemenestone on the Kentish coast, and Blachemanstone on the Dorset coast. As late as the time of the Domesday Survey we meet with records of people apparently named after their dark complexions. In Buckinghamshire, Blacheman, Suartinus, and others are mentioned; in Sussex, one named Blac; in Suffolk, Blakemannus and Suartingus; and others at Lincoln. The invasion of the coast of the British Isles by Vikings of a dark or black complexion rests on historical evidence which is too circumstantial to admit of doubt. In the Irish annals the Black Vikings are called Dubh-Ghenti, or Black Gentiles.4 These Black Gentiles on some occasions fought against other plunderers of the Irish coasts known as the Fair Gentiles, who can hardly have been others than the fair Danes or Northmen. In the year 851 the Black Gentiles came to Athcliath5—i.e., Dublin. In 852 we are told that eight ships of the Finn-Ghenti arrived and fought against the DubhGhenti for three days, and that the Dubh-Ghenti were victorious. The Black Vikings appear at this time to have had a settlement in or close to Dublin, and during the ninth century were much in evidence on the Irish coast. In 877 a great battle was fought at Lock-Cuan between them and the Fair Gentiles, in which Albany Chief of the Black Gentiles, fell.' He may well have been a chieftain of the race of the Northern Sorbs of the Mecklenburg coast.
There is still another way in which men of black hair or complexions may have come into England—viz., as thralls among the Norse invaders. In his translation of 'Orosius,' King Alfred inserts the account which Othere, the Norse mariner, gave him of the tribute in skins, eiderdown, whalebone, and ropes made from whale and seal skins, which the Northern Fins, now called Lapps, paid to the Northmen. Their descendants are among the darkest people of Europe, and as they were thralls, some of them may have accompanied their lords. The Danes and Norse, having the general race characteristics of tall, fair men, must have been sharply distinguished in appearance from Vikings, such as those of Jomborg, for many of these were probably of a dark complexion. There is an interesting record of the descent of dark sea-rovers on the coast of North Wales in the 'Annales Cambriae,' under the year 987, which tells us that Gothrit, son of Harald, with black men, devastated Anglesea, and captured two thousand men. Another entry in the same record tells us that Meredut redeemed the captives from the black men. This account in the Welsh annals receives some confirmation in the Sagas of the Norse Kings, one of which tells us that Olav Trygvesson was for three years, 982-985, King in Vindland —i.e., Wendland—where he resided with his Queen, to whom he was much attached; but on her death, whose loss he greatly felt, he had no more pleasure in Vindland. He therefore provided himself with ships and went on a Viking expedition, first plundering Friesland and the coast all the way to Flanders. Thence he sailed to Northumberland, plundered its coast and those of Scotland, Man, Cumberland, and Bretland—i.e., Wales— during the years 985-988, calling himself a Russian under the name of Ode.1 From these two separate accounts there can be but little doubt, notwithstanding the differences in the names, of the descent on the coast of
North Wales at this time of dark sea-rovers under a Scandinavian leader, and it is difficult to see who they were if not dark-complexioned Wends or other allies of the Norsemen. It is possible some of these dark Vikings may have been allies or mercenaries from the South of Europe, where the Norse made conquests.
As regards the evidence concerning black-haired settlers in England at a still earlier date, there is the story of the two Anglian priests named the Black and Fair Hewald, who, following the example of Willibord among the Frisians, went into Saxony as missionaries, and on coming to a village were admitted to the house of the head man, who promised to protect them, and send them on to the ealdorman of the district. They devoted themselves to prayer and religious observances, which were misunderstood by the pagan rustics, who apparently were afraid of magical arts. At any rate, these strange rites, so novel to them, aroused suspicion among the people, who thought that if these Angles were allowed to meet the ealdorman they might draw him away from their gods, and before long draw away the whole province from the observances of their forefathers. So they slew both the Black and Fair Hewald, whose names in subsequent Christian time were, and still are, held in high honour in Westphalia.1 It is a touching story, and one that tells us more than the devotion, inspired by Christian zeal to risk their lives, which these missionaries showed for the conversion of men of their own race ; for, as their names indicate, they bore in their different complexions evidence of the existence of the fair and dark people among the Anglo-Saxon stock.
As already mentioned, the name Brunswick appears to be one of significance, and the Wendish names in that part of Germany, Wendeburg, Wendhausen, and Wenden, may be compared with the Buckinghamshire Domesday names Wendovre, Weneslai, and Wandene, and with 1 Bright, W., ' Early English Church History,' p. 384.
Wenriga or Wenrige in Hertfordshire. The probable connection of the Wends—some tribes of whom, such as the Sorbs, are known to have been dark—with parts of Germany near Brunswick, and with parts of Herts and Bucks, is shown by these names. Domesday Book tells us of huscarls in Buckinghamshire, and of people who bore such names as Suarting, Suiert, Suen, Suert, and Suiuard, among its land-holders, and it is difficult to avoid the conclusion that such names refer to people of dark complexions. Among the lahmens of Lincoln, a very Danish town, there were also apparently some so-called Danes of a dark complexion, for Domesday Book mentions Suartin, son of Gribold; Suardine, son of Hardenut; and Suartine Sortsbrand, son of Ulf.
In view of the facts pointing to settlements of Wends and dark-haired people in the counties of Hertford and Buckingham, the survival of the custom of junior inheritance at Cheshunt and Hadham in Herts is of interest. In cases of intestacy the land in the eastern part of Cheshunt,1 or 'below bank,' which is by far the greater part of the parish, descends to the youngest son by ancient custom, and that custom, traced to its most probable home, leads us to Eastern Germany, and to the old Slavic tribes which once occupied it, as will be fully considered in a subsequent chapter.
From the evidence mentioned, the impression left on the mind is that our Old English forefathers could not have been men of three ancient nations only, Jutes, Saxons, and Angles. These names, in reference to the conquest and colonization of England, were but general names for tribal people in alliance, generally the name of the largest section of such allies. They were no doubt convenient names, but cannot be regarded as ethnological designations. This has become apparent from the skulls and other remains found in Anglo-Saxon burial-places. The shapes and special characteristics of these skulls, 1 Bone, J. W., Notes and Queries, Seventh Series, ix. 206.
whether from the so-called Anglian districts or Saxon parts of England, present such marked contrasts that anthropologists are unable to ascribe them all to one race of people. A minority of those found in ancient cemeteries in Sussex, Wiltshire, and the Eastern Counties, present such typical differences from the majority in each district as to leave no doubt that they represent a variety of race or people descended from a fusion of races. The easiest explanation of this is, of course, to turn to the ancient Briton, and generally the remote Briton of the Bronze Age known as the Round Barrow man. Where in early cemeteries Saxon or Anglian skulls have been found presenting characteristics which are clearly not of the Teutonic type, the early British inhabitant of the Bronze Age has usually been called in as an ancestor. The typical old Teutonic skull is dolichocephalic, the skull of the British people of the Bronze Age in brachycephalic. The inference that there was a fusion of race between the Saxons and Angles and people descending from men of the Bronze Age is easily drawn. There is, however, one difficulty. The Britons of the Bronze Age lived about 500 B.c., a date which may fairly be taken to represent the time of the Round Barrow men. The Angles and Saxons are usually said to have come here not earlier than about 500 A.d. There are, therefore, a thousand years between the two periods, and in that interval was the period of the Roman rule, during which men of almost every Roman province served with the legions in Britain, and in many recorded cases some of them settled here, and presumably left descendants. In view of this racial fusion which must have gone on, it is difficult to believe that the Romano-Briton of the early Anglo-Saxon period possessed the same skull characteristics as the much more remote man of the Bronze Age, who may not have been his ancestor at all. Moreover, the Welsh also, who may be supposed to be descended from this later British stock, are not broad-headed.
From what has been said of the presence of broadheaded people of a brunette type in parts of Norway, among the much more numerous long-headed people of a fair complexion who formed the bulk of the Norwegian nation, it will be seen that the facts point to an early broad-headed brown race, some of whom settled on the Norwegian coast, the long-headed fair race of the typical Norse variety having perhaps subsequently conquered them. In any case, we find evidence sufficient to justify the inference that probably the early broad-headed people were brown. The same result is obtained by the study of the broad-headed people of Central Europe at the present day, the descendants presumably of the old Alpine brown race. The same evidence is afforded by the remnant of the Wends, whose skulls are broad, and whose complexions are more or less brown at the present day, notwithstanding their fusion with the Germans. We have thus existing in Norway and parts of Germany at the present time people whose ethnological characteristics appear to agree with those of a section of the Anglo-Saxon people in England. It does not, of course, admit of proof that the broad-headed skulls, which occur in a small minority in Anglo-Saxon cemeteries, were the skulls of people of a brunette complexion. Similarly, we are unable to prove that the people who are called Brun, Brunman, or Bruning, in Saxon charters or other documents were broad-headed ; but in view of the ethnological survival to the present day in various parts of North Europe, from which our Anglo-Saxon forefathers came, of broad-headed people of the brunette type, we can point in England to the fact that broad skulls are found in Anglo-Saxon graves, and to the historical fact that there were brown people in England during the AngloSaxon period, and there the evidence must be left. It may, however, be borne in mind that as brown passes into dark brown or black, the literary evidence concerning brown Anglo-Saxons is strengthened by that relating to the black men, or to those designated by the old brown-black word sweart, and in some cases, perhaps, even by the old word dun.
The evidence of brown people of the Wendish race may, however, be carried further by the comparison of surviving names in North-East Germany with similar surviving names in England. Those of Wendlesbury, Wandsworth (Wendelesworth), Windsor (Wendlesore), find their parallels in names in the old Wendish country of Mecklenburg, where similar names are to be found— such as Wanden, the name of a province and place on the border of ancient Wendland, and similar names in Brunswick, to which some of the Wends probably migrated. The name Wendland also survives in Hanover, where a remnant of the Wendish language died out only two centuries ago. In these names we discern a connection of the places with the Wends, who are at the present time the darkest people of Northern Germany. They were Slavs, whose line of migration in some far-distant era was from the country around the sources of the river Oder, down the wide valley of that river in Silesia to the Baltic coast of Mecklenburg and Pomerania.1 This migration is marked at the present time by a greater percentage of people of the brunette type 2 in this district than prevails on its eastern or western sides, where fusion with other fairer-coloured races has been going on since the dawn of history. Whereas the country east and west of the valley of the Oder was found by the German Ethnological Survey to contain from 5 to 10 per cent, of brunettes among the present population, the country which marks the migration of the ancient Wends to the Mecklenburg coast contained n to 15 per cent. From this evidence and that of the complexion of the Wends of Saxony at the present time we are warranted in considering the ancient Wends to have been brunettes, or to have comprised tribes who were. It is on account of 1 Ripley, W. Z., loc. tit., p. 244. * Ibid.
This historic migration, says Ripley, that Saxony, Brandenburg, and Mecklenburg are less purely Teutonic to-day in respect to pigmentation than they once were.1 Not only is there a greater percentage of brunettes in these parts of Germany than is shown in the purely Teutonic parts of that country, but the whole East of Germany contains a population which is broader-headed, shading off imperceptibly into countries where pure Slavic languages are in daily use. The connection with our own country, in its subsequent consequences, of this great migration of people having broad heads and dark complexions through Silesia into Mecklenburg is one of the most interesting considerations indirectly concerned with the Anglo-Saxon race.
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^ Mike already has this text on his site. But trying to explain it to him is pointless.
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Mike is actually descended from the original Anglo Saxons
Mike are there any medieval paintings where there is an undisputable dark black person and a medieval English text which accompanies the picture where they describe the man as a "black" rather than "moor" ?
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Mike great book Retake your fame by Almer Von Fleisher.I bought it on Google play but I dont like reading book online, I like to download my ebook on my own tablet or my Amazon kindle.I will buy the print version of this book.
The Grimaldi, Garamante, Khoisan, Pygmy are the same family of people.They were the first inhabitant of Europe.
LOL Lioness say only two skeletons of Grimaldi found and they were Australoid/negroid/caucasian.The Grimaldi could have been a small village.The Grimaldi left Europe.Lioness say Mike the Prehistoric European come from central Asia South Russia capish.Lioness is rewriting history .
VanSertimavindi Im glad Mike is in EGSF in holiday, sunshineday and rainyday and stalking people for pictures and emailing day and night.I think Egmond Codfried use to be online more then Mike.
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quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: Mike is actually descended from the original Anglo Saxons
Mike are there any medieval paintings where there is an undisputable dark black person and a medieval English text which accompanies the picture where they describe the man as a "black" rather than "moor" ?
Damn you're stupid!
He,he,he:
Paintings don't come with explanatory texts. In those times as today, if you like a painting you buy it. If you commissioned the painting then you know who the subject was. If you bought it from the artist, then he might tell you who the subject was. Otherwise that information is lost and only guessed at by modern compilers of art history. But in this case, it is part of the Albino conspiracy to falsify history.
Shame, shame: always trying to fool the Negroes.
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quote:Originally posted by Mike111: HERU - Thanks for getting us back to the topic.
A History of the Vikings By Gwyn Jones
Page 76 The Norsemen in Kiev in 1018, despite their unquestioned Swedish origin, were described by Thietmar of Merseburg ( Prince-Bishop of Merseburg Germany, 1009–1018 ) as being for the most part Danes. The Irish annalists were a lesson to all with their division of Norse invaders into White Foreigners, Norwegians (Finn-gaill), and Black Foreigners, Danes (Dubh-gaill), but it was a lesson no one heeded; nor do we know why they distinguished them by colour.
Page 77 The Welsh chroniclers, for example, made no such clear distinction. The Danes coming in by way of England and the Norwegians coming in by way of Ireland were pretty well all black: Black Gentiles (y Kenedloed Duon), Black Norsemen (y Normanyeit Duon), Black Host, Pagans, Devils and the like.
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: Mike is actually descended from the original Anglo Saxons
Mike are there any medieval paintings where there is an undisputable dark black person and a medieval English text which accompanies the picture where they describe the man as a "black" rather than "moor" ?
Damn you're stupid!
He,he,he:
Paintings don't come with explanatory texts. In those times as today, if you like a painting you buy it. If you commissioned the painting then you know who the subject was. If you bought it from the artist, then he might tell you who the subject was. Otherwise that information is lost and only guessed at by modern compilers of art history. But in this case, it is part of the Albino conspiracy to falsify history.
Shame, shame: always trying to fool the Negroes.
Mike that' s a cop out. Paintings have titiles and illuminated manuscripts even further have painting mixed with text . As far as I know medieval English writers, painting or no painting would not have called people blacks who we would call blacks today. If i am not mistaken that was not they word they choose to use in those times to describe such people. i could be wrong consult your research team
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quote:Originally posted by HERU: Dark-skinned peoples, particularly Celts, were fairly common, according to a paper by Norse scholar Jenny Jochens entitled Race and Ethnicity in the Old Norse World.
Do you have a copy, or can you give direct quotes?
It's too expensive to chance buying and then finding that it's junk.
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quote:Originally posted by HERU: Dark-skinned peoples, particularly Celts, were fairly common, according to a paper by Norse scholar Jenny Jochens entitled Race and Ethnicity in the Old Norse World.
Do you have a copy, or can you give direct quotes?
It's too expensive to chance buying and then finding that it's junk.
All I have is a summary of the study by Rorik Radford
Race & Ethnicity in the Old Norse World by Rorik Radford
In the 1999 edition of Viator (vol. 30) the prominent Old Norse scholar Jenny Jochens published an insightful and carefully researched article on the subject of "Race and Ethnicity in the Old Norse World." In hopes of casting a little light on this traditionally heat-seeking topic, I will summarize Jochens' points here.
1. Tacitus attributed the uniform physical characteristics of the Germanic tribesmen--blue eyes, reddish hair, and large stature--to their lack of intermarriage with other peoples. This in contrast to Roman culture, where diversity of appearance reflected centuries of intermingling with the conquered nations of the Empire.
2. While Tacitus' observations may have remained accurate for several more centuries, Northern Europeans eventually began to display a greater variety of physical traits reflecting genetic changes associated with migratory movements.
3. By the Saga Age, swarthy complexions and features were not unknown in the North, but they were considered aesthetic faults. "Geirmundar ßáttr heljarskins" tells of Geirmundr and Hámundr, twin sons of a minor 9th century Norwegian king who were born with skin so dark they were called heljarskin--Hel-Skin; Black as Hel. The infants' mother exchanged them for the fair-skinned child of a slave, but the boys' noble lineage was apparent in their bearing and actions and their father, King Hjörr, readily acknowledged his paternity. Although most sources say the twins were the sons of Hjörr's Norwegian queen, one passage in Landnámabók says the king had brought back a captive princess from a war in Bjarmaland (now Finland), and the dark-skinned boys were born to this woman.
4. The term "svartr" (black) is commonly ascribed in the sagas to people with dark coloring, contrasted with "hvítr" (white) for those of fair complexion and features. These terms do not refer to race in the modern sense--black Africans were never described as svartr, but as blámenn (blue men). Still, the svartr/hvítr distinction shows an early attunement to physical differences based on coloring.
5. Some Saga Age Norwegians were apparently born with dark features without outside genetic influence. A well-known example is Hálfdan svarti (the Black), the father of King Harald Finehair. Likewise, Gísli Súrsson is described in his saga as a "ma?r svartr," a dark man. More often, however, dark features were attributed to foreign or even trollish genetic intervention.
6. The most famous white/black dichotomy in the sagas involves the family of Egill Skallagrímsson. Egill's father is introduced as "a dark and ugly man like his forefathers," although his brother ?órólfr was "the most handsome of men." Skallagrím's descendants, the Myramenn, are said to include both the fairest and ugliest of men. The origin of the dark side of the family line is implied in the byname of Skallagrím's great uncle, Hallbjörn hálftroll. Even though dark features might be attributed to supernatural influence, people exhibiting this trait were still considered to be Norwegians, and their intermarriage with fair- skinned Norse presented no special issues.
7. The Anglo-Saxons from earliest times had been intermarrying with Celts, introducing genes for dark hair and swarthy coloring into Germanic bloodlines. These characteristics were gradually brought to Norway by the traffic in captive women. A greater mixing of the genetic pool took place in early Iceland, which became a veritable melting pot of Scandinavian and Celtic settlers. Throughout this process, literary references make it clear that Nordic peoples considered Celts to be dark, and thought of themselves as fair by contrast. As Norsemen came into increasingly greater contact with Celts, the byname hvíti (the White) became common. This byname was probably not bestowed on fair-featured Norwegians by Celts, but rather indicated self-awareness of light complexion as a noteworthy trait on the part of the Norse themselves. The sagas and especially Landnámabók show that the byname hvíti often passed from father to son and tended to run in families--presumably applying to fair- complected Norwegians who lived or traded with darker-skinned people for several generations.
8. Svartr, "Black" or "the Black," was a common byname in early Iceland, usually referring to people of pure or mixed Celtic blood. Although a significant percentage of the settlers of Iceland were of Celtic extraction, they generally adopted Norse names. Moreover, Norse/ Icelandic slaveholders often gave their Celtic thralls Norse names--including the proper name, Svartr. The names Hvíti and Svartr thus came to be associated with not just shades of coloring, but also social status. Thralls named Svartr become virtually stock figures in the sagas; sometimes the saga-man does not even consider it necessary to mention that a character with such a name is a thrall; the audience was expected to infer this from the name alone. Two sagas mention settlers named Svartr who are clearly not thralls, but both are described as unpleasant and violent. A related name is Kolr (from "coal"). In Njál's Saga, when Hallger?r and Bergßóra select lower-class, brutish men to carry on their running feud, one housewife employs a worker named Svartr, while the other chooses a man named Kolr. This suggests that, at this time in history, dark (Celtic) features were associated in the Norse mind with coarseness and violence.
9. The sagas contain many examples of a perceived connection between dark features and Celtic origins, as well as a general aversion to such looks. In general, Celts were considered to be ugly because they were dark. Typical is the serving maid's description of Kormák the skald as "svartr ok ljótr"--dark and ugly. These adjectives were applied so often to people of Celtic extraction that they became bynames and then proper names. While Svartr/svarti served mainly to designate the darkness of "the other" with whom the Norse settlers shared their new homeland, the name Ljótr (Ugly/ the Ugly) incorporates an aesthetic judgment, if not a sense of hostility. Both names continued down through the generations after the Settlement, confirming that dark, Celtic features were inherited and that they continued to be noticed.
10. In addition to bynames (and proper names) based on their non- Nordic appearance, people of Celtic stock were commonly given bynames reflecting their place of origin. They can also often be identified in the sagas, even when they have taken Norse names, by the lack of patronymics or other genealogical references.
11. Dark features in women apparently met with less disapproval than in men. No women are known to have been given svartr-names, although several women of Celtic origin with the name Ljót appear in the lore. This greater acceptance may be related to the fact that Nordic men had no apparent qualms about interbreeding with (and indeed marrying) Celtic women. Dark featured men were more feared and (especially in early Iceland) competed with Nordic men for the relatively small supply of females. Many distinguished Celtic women are mentioned in the lore, including settlers of Iceland and matriarchs of important (mixed-blood) families. The influence of their genes can be traced down through the saga genealogies and in Landnámabók, where bynames and given names denoting dark features appear in generation after generation.
12. Despite their fundamental dislike of dark features, Norwegians of the Viking and Saga ages were able to overcome their differences with Celts, resulting in an extensive infusion of Celtic genes into Nordic bloodlines, especially in Iceland. In contrast, the Icelanders who colonized Greenland did not engage in sexual contact with the Inuit population even though the two peoples jointly populated the island for half a millennium. Similarly, the Norse contingent in Vinland did not intermingle with native Americans, although they had brought too few of their own women to sustain a viable colony. The strikingly different physical appearance of the aboriginal populations may have generated revulsion among the Norse,.as evidenced by the term "skraelingjar" (suggesting wizened, dried-up features), which was applied to Inuit and Indian alike. One text describes the Vinland natives as "dark [svartir] and evil looking;" although a variant substitutes the word smáir ("small") for svartir.
13. The overall historical record of old Norse attitudes toward race and ethnicity is thus uneven. There was apparently a strong resistance to intermixing with people of pronouncedly different appearance, even in the face of biological necessity. At the same time, there was a very high level of assimilation of Celts, even though people of Celtic extraction were perceived as dark and ugly, bore names that seemed strange and difficult to pronounce, and often entered life in Nordic culture as slaves. Notwithstanding that the Norwegian element of the settlers of Iceland valued and distinguished themselves by their blond appearance, racial and ethnic tension was so low that Iceland produced, within a few generations, a more ethnically diverse population than existed anywhere in the North until modern times.
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Thor, the Norse God of Thunder and Lightning evolved from Hathor , the ancient Egyptian Deity. Gods of Thunder and lightning exist in Yoruba and Igbo Cosmology as Sango and Amadioha respectively.
Odin evolved from Odinani, the Igbo cosmology
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quote:Originally posted by jantavanta: Thor, the Norse God of Thunder and Lightning evolved from Hathor , the ancient Egyptian Deity. Gods of Thunder and lightning exist in Yoruba and Igbo Cosmology as Sango and Amadioha respectively.
Odin evolved from Odinani, the Igbo cosmology
just because you can find similarity it doesn't mean there is a connection , that one culture knew the other culture's myth -because people often come up with similar ideas. The Greeks knew about the Egyptians beliefs and made some spinoffs but I doubt the Norse knew about the Igbo beliefs. if you have primitve Norse or Igbo tribes they are going to think nature is controlled by Gods. Then they are going to take something like thunder or wind and they will think a particular God tmade these things happen. Put some people on an isolated Island somehwere and raise them from children with no knowledge given of other myths. They will come up with their own eventually and these gods will wind up seeming similar to other religions they didn't even know about, people make up similar shyt. Take two words randomly out of your head, make it a weird combination, put the words inside quotation marks and put it in google search. Often somebody already came up with it but you didn't know they did, yet its the same. Ther is a list of academic standards to prove one culture knew about another culture. It goes beyond similarity. Ther has to be some other connections or more unusual detail similarities. As per languages there are words that are derived from other languages and ther are also many words that are similar in sound but have no connection
Etymology
Odin chief Teutonic god, the All-Father, a 19c. revival in reference to Scandinavian neo-paganism, from Danish, from Old Norse Oðinn, from P.Gmc. *Wod-enaz- (source of Old English Woden, Old High German Wuotan), probably from *wod-eno-/*wod-ono- "raging, mad, inspired," from root *wet- "to blow, inspire, spiritually arouse" (see wood (adj.)).
looking at some of these older roots with the letter "w" first it doesn't look as similar to the Igbo,,
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quote:Originally posted by HERU: Race & Ethnicity in the Old Norse World by Rorik Radford
7. The Anglo-Saxons from earliest times had been intermarrying with Celts, introducing genes for dark hair and swarthy coloring into Germanic bloodlines. These characteristics were gradually brought to Norway by the traffic in captive women. A greater mixing of the genetic pool took place in early Iceland, which became a veritable melting pot of Scandinavian and Celtic settlers.
Quote: "Because of its isolation, the people of Iceland are among the fairest on the planet."
Behind the above Albino nonsense, I was interested to see how their actual history played out in modern populations.
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Great info Jantavanta. Norse God Thor come from the Egyptian Goddess Hathor.Norse God Odin come from Igbo Goddess Odinani.It look like there was African religious missionary in prehistoric Europe.The Celtic hero Merlin name come from Ibo God Eri so Merlin is Mel Eri.
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^^^ Mike I don't understand your point here, vague as usual. All I see are older photos of Icelanders. Don't be shy what are you getting at?
Anyway I was looking at your "The Real History of White People" section. It starts off with this map which you have altered:
The original maps are based on DNA analysis
^^^ however this map doesn't map does not cover man's first entry into North Western Europe because there's glacier covering North Western Europe. Maybe you added the red and yellow lines I'm not sure how you altered it but I know it's altered most of the text you've written in.
. ^^^^ here's the other map you have posted, with your added caption. This is an unaltered nat geo this map also from your site shows migrations out of africa but does not indicate if they were first , second, or third time periods but we can clearly see the migration arrow where the first people in Scandinvia came from , across Russia from Central Asia at an earlier time when it was not the last galcial maximum when it was not covered in glacier
Mike listen up Also from your site:
^^^^ Here we have early Russians. The first from 34,000 BC resembles an Australian Aborigninee, the second very different looking from 8,000 years later, 26,000 BC, resembling a modern day Russian wrestler.
So how did they get into Russia? Your blue map above shows it from Central Asia. These are the ancestors of the first Europeans people starting in Africa, going into the Middle East, then into Central Asia , across Russia and finally into Northern Europe. Mike before you get mad about this exposure just look at these Russians you always post, look at the arrows on your maps, look at the glacier, a knowledgeable person can easily see how your stuff doen't add up. I call it "Mike's Russian Problem"
^^^^ this map is not on your site. keep in mind all such maps are based on DNA. This shows M173, the first people in Europe, they came across Russia and you show these Kostenki Russians in another location on your site who represent their ancestors, 30,000 years ago Clyde acknowledges this he just says that M173 is African ( as everything is) But if you look at the people in the above blue map going into South Europe from the Middle East tmuch later M172 10,000 years ago hose who would be farmers. Yet another problem with your altered green map at the top is that it says "fully modern man Grimladi man enters Europe at Gibralter. Then go to the blue map you posted, there is no such entry from Gibralter showing even though it represents all the different early migrations at once including the later M172 from the mid east entering South European around 10kya.
^^^^ No problem with the map itself, you didn't alter it this time. here, the Barbarian invasions. The earliest Goths are shown in red represented in red are shown orignating in North Europe, hense why they are called Germanics. Later the Goths split into two parts the Visigoths shown in dark puple line and the Ostragoths in light puple. These are the sub divisions of Goths who had come from Northern Europe some Ostragoths going further East across the Black Sea into Anatolia others going South West becoming the Visigoths. Another Germanic tribe the Vandals represented in blue keeps going South into North Africa. The green line is the Huns a multi ethnic semi Mongol people, not Germanic, who pushed back the Germanic Goths Westward as the Germanic Goths had been advancing East in the "Great Migration" originating in Northern Europe. It's all there in the map.
But then you post this map of the Huns when they confronted the Germanic Goths and you lable the map "The Germanics Migratory path of the Visagoths (Germanics)" So what you are doing is taking the enemies of the Germanics the Huns and calling them Visagoths. But you show us the migratory of the Huns. No need to, it's this map you have labeled as the migratory path of their enemies the Visigoths. Why do you perpetrate a fraud?
You say the origin of modern white people is the Goths. And your website says this about the Huns:
The Huns
The Huns were a nomadic pastoral people from Eastern Asia, they invaded Europe in about 370 A.D. and created an enormous empire; which reached as far west as Germany. They were possibly the descendants of the Xiongnu who had been northern neighbors of China three hundred years before.
The Huns may have stimulated the Great Migration, a contributing factor in the collapse of the Roman Empire. They formed a unified empire under Attila the Hun, who died in 453 A.D; their empire broke up the next year.
Jordanes - The Roman historian, wrote a book on the history of the Goths called "Getica" (circa 551 A.D). In his book, he describes the Huns as: They made their foes flee in horror because their swarthy (black skinned)
So we can see the contradiction and trickery you are attempting. You say the Huns were black, (swarthy at least these Mongols) and then you take their migratory path, the one in which they attacked the Germanic Goths and you label it as the migratory path of the Goths. How can you call other people liars when you are lying and you know it? look in the mirror. You are not enlightening people you are trying to trick them.
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Cass, lioness, I am so disappointed! I expected loud protestations that the guy in the back with the super curly hair was well within the normal bounds of Dravidian Albinos.
I wonder if his hairstyle means that he's bragging on his Black blood, or if he just doesn't know.
quote:Originally posted by jantavanta: Thor, the Norse God of Thunder and Lightning evolved from Hathor , the ancient Egyptian Deity. Gods of Thunder and lightning exist in Yoruba and Igbo Cosmology as Sango and Amadioha respectively.
Odin evolved from Odinani, the Igbo cosmology
just because you can find similarity it doesn't mean there is a connection , that one culture knew the other culture's myth -because people often come up with similar ideas.
looking at some of these older roots with the letter "w" first it doesn't look as similar to the Igbo,.........................
The Egyptian beliefs were the backdoor to the African Mystery System. The Yoruba and Igbo cosmologies are nucleus cultural beliefs that evolved over space and time to become the astrologized ancient egyptian religion. Ancient Egypt is the big daughter of Ethiopia. There are more pyramids in Sudan than in Egypt, but National Geographic Channel prefers to ignore them. The Vikings are of Ancient egyptian/Sudanese origin as shown in http://www.beforebc.de/Related.Subjects/Ships.Sea-faring/92-10-825.html
Europe is Northern Africa. The present Whitening of the Ancient Egyptian history is an extension of what had taken place in Europe in the past 200 years.
You have no business teaching us the academic way of doing things because the oldest universities in europe are in the regions closest to the african continent.
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quote:Originally posted by mena7: Great info Jantavanta. Norse God Thor come from the Egyptian Goddess Hathor.Norse God Odin come from Igbo Goddess Odinani.It look like there was African religious missionary in prehistoric Europe.The Celtic hero Merlin name come from Ibo God Eri so Merlin is Mel Eri.
All the Celtic Fantasy genre of storybooks are based on 'Whitened' African cosmology. Prof Wande Abimbola's Book: Ifa Will Mend Our Broken World , has more info on that. King Arthur of the Arthurian Legends is also from Hathor.
Merlin was said to have disappeared under the sea for some years of tutelage, which is similar to Ibo lore about special children who disappear under the river for some time.
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quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: Mike is actually descended from the original Anglo Saxons
Mike are there any medieval paintings where there is an undisputable dark black person and a medieval English text which accompanies the picture where they describe the man as a "black" rather than "moor" ?
The need for the titular description of a dark black person in a painting as "black" only came about as a result of invading migrations of white people into Europe. People were by default "Black" unlike nowadays were absence colour is being portrayed by your media as a norm.
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Jantavanta, stupid Kill Whitey, White people genocidist, White people hating Black racist POS. We Whites did NOT invade Europe, we are indigenous to Europe. Why can't you Kill Whitey Black racist half wits be happy with your own history in Africa & stop trying to steal other people's stuff. BTW, Europe is NOT Northern Africa, its not even attached to any part of Africa, it is however firmly connected to ASIA.
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quote:Originally posted by jantavanta: Thor, the Norse God of Thunder and Lightning evolved from Hathor , the ancient Egyptian Deity. Gods of Thunder and lightning exist in Yoruba and Igbo Cosmology as Sango and Amadioha respectively.
Odin evolved from Odinani, the Igbo cosmology
just because you can find similarity it doesn't mean there is a connection , that one culture knew the other culture's myth -because people often come up with similar ideas.
looking at some of these older roots with the letter "w" first it doesn't look as similar to the Igbo,.........................
The Egyptian beliefs were the backdoor to the African Mystery System. The Yoruba and Igbo cosmologies are nucleus cultural beliefs that evolved over space and time to become the astrologized ancient egyptian religion. Ancient Egypt is the big daughter of Ethiopia. There are more pyramids in Sudan than in Egypt, but National Geographic Channel prefers to ignore them. The Vikings are of Ancient egyptian/Sudanese origin as shown in http://www.beforebc.de/Related.Subjects/Ships.Sea-faring/92-10-825.html
Europe is Northern Africa. The present Whitening of the Ancient Egyptian history is an extension of what had taken place in Europe in the past 200 years.
You have no business teaching us the academic way of doing things because the oldest universities in europe are in the regions closest to the african continent.
yet you were talking about the Norse God Odin which is at the extreme North of Europe. You are suggesting connection between the region now called Nigeria and Norway? Alusi is the God of thunder and lightning in the Igbo belief system called Odinani
The oldest Universities in Europe are also the bottom 7 of the list of the world's oldest univeristies:
4. University of Bologna: Italy founded in 1088
5.University of Paris: This university’s exact founding is unclear; however, teaching from this university existed since 1096.
6.University of Oxford: Like the University of Paris, the exact date of this university’s founding is unclear. The formal founding date, however, is 1096
7.University of Montpelier: Located in Montpelier, France, this university also is considerably older than its founding date of 1150.
8.University of Cambridge: Known as the second-oldest university in the English-speaking world, this university was formed by scholars who left the University of Oxford over a dispute in 1209.
9.University of Salamanca: Located in Salamanca, Spain, this school was established in 1218 and obtained the title of “university” by Alexander IV’s papal bull in 1225.
10.University of Padua: This is the second oldest university in Italy, falling behind the University of Bologna. This university was founded in 1222
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^^^ As we can see the oldest universities in Europe are spread thoughout Europe. Only 3 of the 7 are in Italy or Spain
The remaining top 3 oldest universities in the world are also the top oldest Universities in the world , older than Europe's. They are Islamic, two located In North Afrca, one in what is now called Iran
1. University of Al-Karaouine: Located in Fes, Morocco, this university originally was a mosque founded in 859 by Fatima al-Fihri, a woman
2.Al-Azhar University: This university, located in Egypt, is the world’s second oldest surviving degree-granting institute. Founded in 970-972, this university serves as a center for Arabic literature and Sunni Islamic learning.
3. Nizamiyya: This series of universities was established by Khwaja Nizam al-Mulk in the eleventh century in what is now present-day Iran. The most celebrated of all the Nizamiyya schools is Al-Nizamiyya of Baghdad, established in 1065 in Dhu’l Qa’da and that remains operational in Isfahan.
quote:Originally posted by DHDoxies: Europe is NOT Northern Africa, its not even attached to any part of Africa, it is however firmly connected to ASIA.
Doxie dear, a person can WALK from Africa to Europe, just as a person can WALK from Asia to Europe.
Modern demarcation lines were created by you Albinos to separate yourselves from normal humans (correctly so), but they have no practical meaning.
BTW - You make much of the Asia connection, so are you now accepting that you are Dravidian Albinos from Central Asia?
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Lioness the first University in the world were in Africa.
The University of Khmunu of Tehuti in Egypt 3500 bc,
The University of Anu of Ra in Egypt 3500 bc,
The University of Mem Nefer of Ptah in Egypt 3000 bc
The University of Ta Apet or Waset of Amen in Kemet 2500 bc.
The University of Rajedet or Alexandria of Serapis in Egypt 300 bc.
There was nine major temple-university in Kemet/Egypt that educated Egyptian, Kushite, West Asian, Europeen, Indian, East Asian, Meso American.Egyptian universities educated the world.Christian Roman Emperor Theodosius because of envy closed and destroyed Egyptian temple university.That was the begining of the downfall of the black race.
The long chronology of Mcnaughton,Flinters Petrie, John G Jackson, Robin Walker date the begining of Ancient Egyptian civilization to 5500 BC. Ta Seti civilization started in 6000 BC. European scholar to make Sumerian civilization that they claimed were white appear older then Egypt erased 2000 years from Egyptian civilization.The Egyptian Sirius calendar was created in 4300 BC therefore Egyptian civilization was older then Europeen Academia 3300 BC.The Egyptian priest amazingly knew the great year that is 25000 years of the precession of the equinox. Posts: 5374 | From: sepedat/sirius | Registered: Jul 2012
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quote:Originally posted by mena7: [QB] Lioness the first University in the world were in Africa.
The University of Khmunu of Tehuti in Egypt 3500 bc,
The University of Anu of Ra in Egypt 3500 bc,
The University of Mem Nefer of Ptah in Egypt 3000 bc
The University of Ta Apet or Waset of Amen in Kemet 2500 bc.
The University of Rajedet or Alexandria of Serapis in Egypt 300 bc.
the is no record of these in ancient Egypt
you would have to back this with a source to make it believable, This however does not mean that the Greeks did not go into Egypt and learn some things, they did
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quote:Originally posted by DHDoxies: Europe is NOT Northern Africa, its not even attached to any part of Africa, it is however firmly connected to ASIA.
Doxie dear, a person can WALK from Africa to Europe, just as a person can WALK from Asia to Europe.
Modern demarcation lines were created by you Albinos to separate yourselves from normal humans (correctly so), but they have no practical meaning.
BTW - You make much of the Asia connection, so are you now accepting that you are Dravidian Albinos from Central Asia?
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Below is the migration route of the earliest Europeans:
quote:Originally posted by mena7: Great info Jantavanta. Norse God Thor come from the Egyptian Goddess Hathor.Norse God Odin come from Igbo Goddess Odinani.It look like there was African religious missionary in prehistoric Europe.The Celtic hero Merlin name come from Ibo God Eri so Merlin is Mel Eri.
All the Celtic Fantasy genre of storybooks are based on 'Whitened' African cosmology. Prof Wande Abimbola's Book: Ifa Will Mend Our Broken World , has more info on that. King Arthur of the Arthurian Legends is also from Hathor.
Merlin was said to have disappeared under the sea for some years of tutelage, which is similar to Ibo lore about special children who disappear under the river for some time.
All Dr. Abimbola says in that books is
"There were several European epic poems and chanting traditions that may a parallel Ifa and Ijala poetry as performed as an art"
That just means there are similarities. Similarities is not evidence of transmission of knowledge and Dr.Abimbola does not say that. There is nothing to worry about. We as Africans or as people of African descent do not need the Celts to validate us. As you said the most likly areas for trasmission of African knowledge to Eurasia would be in areas closest to Africa such as the Egypt to the MIddle East/Mediterranean. Nigeria is not close to Western Europe. There is a path to migration of peoples it doesn't just make huge jumps to other locations
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Lioness - What is your point in posting this map from the Fox/Cooper family website?
This home made NON-OFFICIAL map seems to detail the mutations of haplogroup "F", what does that have to do with Albinos like yourself, except that it shows your transition (M45) in CENTRAL ASIA?
In human genetics, haplogroup F is a very common Y-chromosome haplogroup spanning all the continents. This haplogroup and its subclades contain more than 90% of the world's existing non-African male population. Sometimes it is referred to as haplogroup FT to distinguish the part of it which is referred to in standard nomenclature as haplogroup (or paragroup) F-M89* (the branches of haplogroup F-M89 which have not yet been designated as defining a major haplogroup of their own).
This haplogroup is ancestral to, and contains, Y-chromosome haplogroups G (M201), H (M69), and IJK (L15/S137, L16/S138, L69.1(=G)/S163.1) along with their descendant haplogroups.
In human genetics, Haplogroup P (M45) is a Y-chromosome DNA haplogroup.
This haplogroup contains the patrilineal ancestors of most Europeans and almost all of the indigenous peoples of the Americas. It also contains approximately one third to two thirds of the males among various populations of Central Asia and Southern Asia.
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quote:Originally posted by Mike111: Lioness - What is your point in posting this map from the Fox/Cooper family website?
This home made NON-OFFICIAL map seems to detail the mutations of haplogroup "F", what does that have to do with Albinos like yourself, except that it shows your transition (M45) in CENTRAL ASIA?
Haplogroup F-M89 (Y-DNA)
In human genetics, haplogroup F is a very common Y-chromosome haplogroup spanning all the continents. This haplogroup and its subclades contain more than 90% of the world's existing non-African male population. Sometimes it is referred to as haplogroup FT to distinguish the part of it which is referred to in standard nomenclature as haplogroup (or paragroup) F-M89* (the branches of haplogroup F-M89 which have not yet been designated as defining a major haplogroup of their own).
This haplogroup is ancestral to, and contains, Y-chromosome haplogroups G (M201), H (M69), and IJK (L15/S137, L16/S138, L69.1(=G)/S163.1) along with their descendant haplogroups.
In human genetics, Haplogroup P (M45) is a Y-chromosome DNA haplogroup.
This haplogroup contains the patrilineal ancestors of most Europeans and almost all of the indigenous peoples of the Americas. It also contains approximately one third to two thirds of the males among various populations of Central Asia and Southern Asia.
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Doxie, are you paying attention?
Mike don't be dumb and assume that because I posted a map form a particular websiste that that is the original source of that map and that the same map did not appear on several websites. You have already been busted altering "offical" maps. And by "official" we all know you mean "albino approved" maps. The map above shows the migration of R1b (M113) not F you clown. The map above is only one of several maps showing the same thing,
For example here's one from your webiste you posted:
Of course you have no idea how to sort out which routes into Europe came first because this map doesn't indicate that. However what it does show is that one of the paths is the same path.
You mention Haplogroup F (M189) and P(M45)
Mike no problem its all there the path of the earliest migration into Europe including F (M189) and P(M45)
in chronological sequence out of Africa path leading to first inhabitants of Europe
M168 - 50kya
M89 - 45kya
M9 - 40kya
M45 - 35kya
M207 - 34kya
M173 (R1) -30 kya
M343 (R1b1) - 25kya
(give or take on dates, it's the sequence and path that are important)
^^^ there it is Mike no discrepancy
Look below you Kostenki man is along the route M173 passing through Southern Russia. Yes Mike their ancestors from Central Asia
Mike also notice on your blue map above from the same M89 branch there is an extention to the Anatolia region and then South Europe that is M172 a much later offshoot about 10,000 years ago otherwise known as haplogroup J
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^Sorry Lioness, I didn't mean to stump you completely. As we all know, If not for you, this site would have died years ago. Thus you always need an opening for a lie to keep things going. This one is taking a bit too long, but I have faith in you, please try harder.
quote:Originally posted by Mike111: ^Sorry Lioness, I didn't mean to stump you completely. As we all know, If not for you, this site would have died years ago. Thus you always need an opening for a lie to keep things going. This one is taking a bit too long, but I have faith in you, please try harder.
Your Pal Mike.
I'm not stumped I just realize I''m arguing aginst somebody who can't undertsand or doesn't want to in order to carry on a deception. All you did was put up the waorld haplogroup tree. It's changes nothing in regard to the out of Africa migration path of the earliest R1 Europeans out of Africa and the evolving haplgroups along that path. Clyde understands this he simply calls the whole thing African. You don't undertand or are pretending not to the timelines for these OOA migrations. The blue map you put up has all the brances without the timelines but the branching is clear the early population of Europe comes form your favorite Central Asian location as do Kostenki man. You can see how the arrow enter into Western Europe. The later J group comes from the Near Est into Anatolia nad South Europe. Europe Western Europe had already been populated for thousands of years. This rudimenatry knowledge.
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^Excellent Lioness, I have no idea what you said, and others will have the same problem. We may now move forward (or at least keep the thread open).
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quote:Originally posted by Mike111: ^Excellent Lioness, I have no idea what you said, and others will have the same problem. We may now move forward (or at least keep the thread open).
You are probably right. Only some people in this forum have rudimenatry understanding of these migration maps based on DNA. You are not one of them but yet are the imperial wizard of the ignorant
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Mike, nope not at all, we are NOT Dravidian nor are we Albinos, nor do we come from Central Asia LOL. You just don't want to admit that the Vikings & Celts were White & are among our ancestors LOL.
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quote:Originally posted by DHDoxies: Mike, nope not at all, we are NOT Dravidian nor are we Albinos, nor do we come from Central Asia LOL. You just don't want to admit that the Vikings & Celts were White & are among our ancestors LOL.
white people did not pop up out of nowhere in Europe. Their ancestors were in places before they got to Europe. You need to acknowlege that
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quote:Originally posted by DHDoxies: Mike, nope not at all, we are NOT Dravidian nor are we Albinos, nor do we come from Central Asia LOL. You just don't want to admit that the Vikings & Celts were White & are among our ancestors LOL.
white people did not pop up out of nowhere in Europe. Their ancestors were in places before they got to Europe. You need to acknowlege that
Pay no attention to Lioness Doxie, I prefer you just the way you are (delusional).
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Mike, the nationalities of the above panelists is irrelevant to the fact they are all black Look the comparison: Posts: 42920 | From: , | Registered: Jan 2010
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quote:Originally posted by mena7: Great info Jantavanta. Norse God Thor come from the Egyptian Goddess Hathor.Norse God Odin come from Igbo Goddess Odinani.It look like there was African religious missionary in prehistoric Europe.The Celtic hero Merlin name come from Ibo God Eri so Merlin is Mel Eri.
All the Celtic Fantasy genre of storybooks are based on 'Whitened' African cosmology. Prof Wande Abimbola's Book: Ifa Will Mend Our Broken World , has more info on that. King Arthur of the Arthurian Legends is also from Hathor.
Merlin was said to have disappeared under the sea for some years of tutelage, which is similar to Ibo lore about special children who disappear under the river for some time.
just because there were some black clans that were among the early Scandinavians doesn't mean one should say the Vikings were blacks. That to me is more ridiculous than saying ancient Egyptians and Mauri were whites.
obviously most cosmoology in the world derives from Africa but Vijkings being mainly descendants of white large bodied fair and red haired Goths/ Getae i.e. Scythians could easily have picked up their cosmology earlier in the Ukraine some where. Posts: 4226 | From: New Jersey, USA | Registered: Mar 2007
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dana marniche - The point was made that "Some" Vikings (Culturally speaking) were Blacks. Not that some Germanics (ethnically speaking) were Blacks, mulattoes not withstanding.
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quote:Originally posted by mena7: Great info Jantavanta. Norse God Thor come from the Egyptian Goddess Hathor.Norse God Odin come from Igbo Goddess Odinani.It look like there was African religious missionary in prehistoric Europe.The Celtic hero Merlin name come from Ibo God Eri so Merlin is Mel Eri.
All the Celtic Fantasy genre of storybooks are based on 'Whitened' African cosmology. Prof Wande Abimbola's Book: Ifa Will Mend Our Broken World , has more info on that. King Arthur of the Arthurian Legends is also from Hathor.
Merlin was said to have disappeared under the sea for some years of tutelage, which is similar to Ibo lore about special children who disappear under the river for some time.
All Dr. Abimbola says in that books is
"There were several European epic poems and chanting traditions that may a parallel Ifa and Ijala poetry as performed as an art"
That just means there are similarities. Similarities is not evidence of transmission of knowledge and Dr.Abimbola does not say that. There is nothing to worry about. We as Africans or as people of African descent do not need the Celts to validate us. As you said the most likly areas for trasmission of African knowledge to Eurasia would be in areas closest to Africa such as the Egypt to the MIddle East/Mediterranean. Nigeria is not close to Western Europe. There is a path to migration of peoples it doesn't just make huge jumps to other locations
It is good to know that some people are reading Prof. Abimbola's book. He mentioned similarities but I am the one saying that Nigeria is a nucleus culture. The Ancient Egyptian cosmology is an astrologized Nigerian cosmology. Northern Africa was in the path of migration. 45,000 years ago during the migration to Europe, the language and cultural differences between Nigeria and the northern african region were minimal, so minimal, that Japanese could easily fit into an African language. For example the Ancient egyptian Khnum who molded human beings out of clay and Obatala who molded human beings out of clay for Olodumare to give the 'breath of life'.
A few days ago, I was watching National Geographic Channel Genome Project and it was obvious that they are denying the direct migration from Africa into Europe, as if there was a Neanderthals-Only immigration counter at the closest point between Spain and Morocco. Or was there a 45,000 year old Treaty that said Africans should migrate eastwards and leave these Neanderthals to walk across the strait of Gibraltar into Spain?
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quote:Originally posted by jantavanta: Thor, the Norse God of Thunder and Lightning evolved from Hathor , the ancient Egyptian Deity. Gods of Thunder and lightning exist in Yoruba and Igbo Cosmology as Sango and Amadioha respectively.
Odin evolved from Odinani, the Igbo cosmology
just because you can find similarity it doesn't mean there is a connection , that one culture knew the other culture's myth -because people often come up with similar ideas.
looking at some of these older roots with the letter "w" first it doesn't look as similar to the Igbo,.........................
The Egyptian beliefs were the backdoor to the African Mystery System. The Yoruba and Igbo cosmologies are nucleus cultural beliefs that evolved over space and time to become the astrologized ancient egyptian religion. Ancient Egypt is the big daughter of Ethiopia. There are more pyramids in Sudan than in Egypt, but National Geographic Channel prefers to ignore them. The Vikings are of Ancient egyptian/Sudanese origin as shown in http://www.beforebc.de/Related.Subjects/Ships.Sea-faring/92-10-825.html
Europe is Northern Africa. The present Whitening of the Ancient Egyptian history is an extension of what had taken place in Europe in the past 200 years.
You have no business teaching us the academic way of doing things because the oldest universities in europe are in the regions closest to the african continent.
yet you were talking about the Norse God Odin which is at the extreme North of Europe. You are suggesting connection between the region now called Nigeria and Norway? Alusi is the God of thunder and lightning in the Igbo belief system called Odinani
The oldest Universities in Europe are also the bottom 7 of the list of the world's oldest univeristies:
4. University of Bologna: Italy founded in 1088
5.University of Paris: This university’s exact founding is unclear; however, teaching from this university existed since 1096.
6.University of Oxford: Like the University of Paris, the exact date of this university’s founding is unclear. The formal founding date, however, is 1096
7.University of Montpelier: Located in Montpelier, France, this university also is considerably older than its founding date of 1150.
8.University of Cambridge: Known as the second-oldest university in the English-speaking world, this university was formed by scholars who left the University of Oxford over a dispute in 1209.
9.University of Salamanca: Located in Salamanca, Spain, this school was established in 1218 and obtained the title of “university” by Alexander IV’s papal bull in 1225.
10.University of Padua: This is the second oldest university in Italy, falling behind the University of Bologna. This university was founded in 1222
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^^^ As we can see the oldest universities in Europe are spread thoughout Europe. Only 3 of the 7 are in Italy or Spain
The remaining top 3 oldest universities in the world are also the top oldest Universities in the world , older than Europe's. They are Islamic, two located In North Afrca, one in what is now called Iran
1. University of Al-Karaouine: Located in Fes, Morocco, this university originally was a mosque founded in 859 by Fatima al-Fihri, a woman
2.Al-Azhar University: This university, located in Egypt, is the world’s second oldest surviving degree-granting institute. Founded in 970-972, this university serves as a center for Arabic literature and Sunni Islamic learning.
3. Nizamiyya: This series of universities was established by Khwaja Nizam al-Mulk in the eleventh century in what is now present-day Iran. The most celebrated of all the Nizamiyya schools is Al-Nizamiyya of Baghdad, established in 1065 in Dhu’l Qa’da and that remains operational in Isfahan.
You are simply posting that the worlds's universities are from Churches or Mosques, as if learning does not pre-date Christianity or Islam.
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quote:Originally posted by DHDoxies: Mike, nope not at all, we are NOT Dravidian nor are we Albinos, nor do we come from Central Asia LOL. You just don't want to admit that the Vikings & Celts were White & are among our ancestors LOL.
Your albinism belongs to the category that took place after the sinking of the all-Black Atlantis Civilization. If you want a confirmation contact Sat Guru Maharaj Ji, The Living Perfect Master.
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