quote: Juba II Numidian king of Mauretania 52/50 BC – AD 23 hair not wooly
The region had also been influenced by the Phoenicians
After the Vandals, Greeks and Romans and finally the Arabs you cannot say that the North African Muslims who conquered Spain in the 8th c., called Moors were the Numidians even though the Numidians sometimes get called by writers "Moors"
We are talking about when Europeans spelled the word Moor or Moros, using the letter "o" It is a loosely applied the people themselves never called themselves.
And the way it was used in places like Germany was far from meaning even Almoravid descendants of North Africa.
At that time, in the European medieval period they applied the term to any dark skinned African regardless of if they wer form North Africa or another place in Africa
Hair wooly,and again Juvenal, Satire VI, lines 596 – 600 “One of them, with wooly hair, like a Moor, seems to be the son of Santra, the cook. The second, with a flat nose and thick lips, is the image of Pannicus, the wrestler . . . of the two daughters, one is black . . . and belongs to Crotus, the flute player.” Did all coastal Africans have wooly hair??? servey sayz No! did they have enough wooly haired folks among them to be sterotyped as such..yees And the rules of ethomology applies,in the same way that Ethiop/Nigritae/Niger/Nigerian/Negro applies.
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^^^ actually what I have said, that Europeans after the Moors of Spain had been defeated started call and black Africa a Moor fits your philosophy that all black people today should call themselves what some Europeans called them ,"Moors".
I think that is a confusing defintion. I think it should be applied specifically to the Almoravids, the related tribes the Lamtuna and the Gudala, Sanhaja Berbers, led by Moroccans
It's not clear if derived primarily from the ancient Numidians so I think it is better not to call the Numidians "Moors". Many of the slaves who wound up in small numbers in medieval Europe were Ethiopians, had no relation to the Almoravids who were on the West North Coast
When you look at the book "golden Age of The Moors" he is not using the term "Moor" to mean "any black African" He's atlking about the people who invaded Iberia
But throughout history you will see the term applied to all sorts of people including black Africans, Arabs, berbers, Ethiopians or any African
quote:actually what I have said, that Europeans after the Moors of Spain had been defeated started call and black Africa a Moor fits your philosophy that all black people today hhould call themselves what Euroepans called them ,"Moors". I think that is a confusing defintion. I think it should be applied specifically to the Almoravids, the related tribes the Lamtuna and the Gudala, Sanhaja Berbers, led by Moroccans It's not clear if derived primarily ffrom the ancient Numidians so I think it is better not to call the Numidians "Moors" When you look at the book "golden Age of The Moors" he is not using the term "Moor" to mean "any black African" He's atlking about the people who invaded Iberia But throughout history you will see the term applied to all sorts of people including black Africans, Arabs, berbers o
We know that Moors before the Islamic era were primarily Northwest Africans,as per the Romans, they like the Greeks had other names for Blacks in other parts of Africa but sometimes used these names interchangeably,St Maurice was a Moor despite him being an Egyptian and his legend dates back to the 3rd century A.d long before there was any such thing as an Islamic conquest and futher more during the Islamic era Black/Moor/Ethiop/and Negro were interchangable. In the ‘Chanson of Roland’ (Song of Roland) written after the Moors invaded France in 718 A.D., the invaders are described (verses 145 and 146) as “blacker than ink with large noses and ears” and with “nothing white except the teeth.” the Moorish army was 50,000 strong and led by Marganice, Emperor of Ethiopia and Carthage. Their most valiant figure is Abisme (that is, Abyssinian), who (verse 126) is described as “black as melted pitch. Off-course Ethiopia could no way be involved in any conquest of Iberia as they were not Muslims,this romance was written in 1140 or 1170 well before the down fall of the Moors.
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quote:actually what I have said, that Europeans after the Moors of Spain had been defeated started call and black Africa a Moor fits your philosophy that all black people today hhould call themselves what Euroepans called them ,"Moors". I think that is a confusing defintion. I think it should be applied specifically to the Almoravids, the related tribes the Lamtuna and the Gudala, Sanhaja Berbers, led by Moroccans It's not clear if derived primarily ffrom the ancient Numidians so I think it is better not to call the Numidians "Moors" When you look at the book "golden Age of The Moors" he is not using the term "Moor" to mean "any black African" He's atlking about the people who invaded Iberia But throughout history you will see the term applied to all sorts of people including black Africans, Arabs, berbers o
We know that Moors before the Islamic era were primarily Northwest Africans,as per the Romans, they like the Greeks had other names for Blacks in other parts of Africa but sometimes used these names interchangeably,St Maurice was a Moor despite him being an Egyptian and his legend dates back to the 3rd century A.d long before there was any such thing as an Islamic conquest and futher more during the Islamic era Black/Moor/Ethiop/and Negro were interchangable. In the ‘Chanson of Roland’ (Song of Roland) written after the Moors invaded France in 718 A.D., the invaders are described (verses 145 and 146) as “blacker than ink with large noses and ears” and with “nothing white except the teeth.” the Moorish army was 50,000 strong and led by Marganice, Emperor of Ethiopia and Carthage. Their most valiant figure is Abisme (that is, Abyssinian), who (verse 126) is described as “black as melted pitch. Off-course Ethiopia could no way be involved in any conquest of Iberia as they were not Muslims,this romance was written in 1140 or 1170 well before the down fall of the Moors.
Was St. Maurice pitch black? The earliest depiction of of him, the statue with the armour in the Madenburg Cathedral was made over 1000 years after his death.
Moor (n.) "North African, Berber," late 14c., from Old French More, from Medieval Latin Morus, from Latin Maurus "inhabitant of Mauritania" (northwest Africa, a region now corresponding to northern Algeria and Morocco), from Greek Mauros, perhaps a native name, or else cognate with mauros "black" (but this adjective only appears in late Greek and may as well be from the people's name as the reverse). Being a dark people in relation to Europeans, their name in the Middle Ages was a synonym for "Negro;" later (16c.-17c.) used indiscriminately of Muslims (Persians, Arabs, etc.) but especially those in India.
If one group of Moor was described as "pitch black" that doesn't mean all groups of Moors were described as "pitch black" or that stereotyping was not going on? We can look at other examples of North Africans, the Egyptians. In Egyptian art Egyptians are not portrayed as pitch black. They are often portrayed as medium to darkbrown often with reddish tint, sometimes lighter yellowish. Only Osiris and art of Pharoahs personifiying Osiris in tombs are portrayed as pitch black.
Now it doesn't really matter if they were pitch black or reddish brown when I ask you:
were the ancient Egyptians Moors?
Do you know for certain St. Maurice was Egyptian or is that just legend? If he was and if he was called a Moor, then based off that can we now say generally that ancient writers called the Egyptians "Moors" ?
Shaka Zulu was a Moor?
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quote:Was St. Maurice pitch black? The earliest depiction of of him, the statue with the armour in the Madenburg Cathedral was made over 1000 years after his death. ________________________________________________________ Moor (n.) "North African, Berber," late 14c., from Old French More, from Medieval Latin Morus, from Latin Maurus "inhabitant of Mauritania" (northwest Africa, a region now corresponding to northern Algeria and Morocco), from Greek Mauros, perhaps a native name, or else cognate with mauros "black" (but this adjective only appears in late Greek and may as well be from the people's name as the reverse). Being a dark people in relation to Europeans, their name in the Middle Ages was a synonym for "Negro;" later (16c.-17c.) used indiscriminately of Muslims (Persians, Arabs, etc.) but especially those in India. _____________________________________________________ If one group of Moor was described as "pitch black" that doesn't mean all groups of Moors were described as "pitch black" or that stereotyping was not going on? We can look at other examples of North Africans, the Egyptians. In Egyptian art Egyptians are not portrayed as pitch black. They are often portrayed as medium to darkbrown often with reddish tint, sometimes lighter yellowish. Only Osiris and art of Pharoahs personifiying Osiris in tombs are portrayed as pitch black. Now it doesn't really matter if they were pitch black or reddish brown when I ask you: were the ancient Egyptians Moors? Do you know for certain St. Maurice was Egyptian or is that just legend? If he was and if he was called a Moor, then based off that can we now say generally that ancient writers called the Egyptians "Moors" ? Shaka Zulu was a Moor?
If that Egyptian was a turban wearing black who showed up in Iberia the name would apply ditto for Shaka..I said this before and I'll say it again all Blacks were Moors but all moors were not actually Black whats so hard to understand about that.
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The Magi founding a city on the hill of Vaus. Woodcut from the Leben der Heiligen Drei Könige printed in Strasbourg in 1484 by Heinrich Knoblochtzer. 101 pages, 210 x 130 mm. Berlin, Staatsbibliothek Preussischer Kulturbesitz, Inc. 2221, Bl. d III v and Bl. d V v. Bildarchiv Preussischer Kulturbesitz.
quote:Originally posted by Brada-Anansi: all Blacks were Moors but all moors were not actually Black whats so hard to understand about that. [/QB]
1) what distinguishes a black Moor from any black African?
2) ancient writers did not call people brown. Some languages at that time didn't even have a word for brown. Ancient European writers who applied these terms that people cherish were not going by modern American standards for "black" (of African descent, has an afro etc,) Thus both the men below would be "black" to ancient European writers
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English Adjectives Latin Adjectives colors colores black niger color blue caeruleus color brown fuscus color gray cineraceus color green viridis color orange luteus color purple violaceus color red ruber color white albus color fuscus color Lioness
quote:1) what distinguishes a black Moor from any black African? 2) ancient writers did not call people brown. Some languages at that time didn't even have a word for brown. Ancient European writers who applied these terms that people cherish were not going by modern American standards for "black" (of African descent, has an afro etc,) Thus both the men below would be "black" to ancient European writers
quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: ^^^^ Truth Hitman these guys look like they could be white
WHAT WHITE GUYS ARE YOU BLIND?
Does this look like a WHITE MAN
LIONESS what about Jacob huh is he a white guy as well
Is HE a white guy lioness how about:
St Peter
Thats a brown skin Man a BLACK HEBREW not a KHAZAR Turk! LIONESS
THESE are the locations of HEBREW CATACOMBS in Rome and all over Europe Lioness
The Biblical patriarchs on the Hungarian crown represent these people.
Banquet scene in the Roman Catacombs 100 AD
THIS one is CALLED the GOOD Shepard
This represents Christ Peter and Mary
HEY lioness this is Map of Jewish Rome in the second century CE
1. the Via Nomentana near the Villa Torlonia, 2. the Via Labicana outside the Porta Maggiore, 3. the Via Appia Pignatelli (beyond the second milestone, closer to the city than the Christian catacombs), 4. the Via Appia (Via Cimarra), 5. the Via Ostiensis, at Monteverde
Those are just some of the catacombs in europe
and lioness have you noticed any white people yet
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The Jew in the catacomb of Rome look like black people with frizzy hair.Some even have big mouth, round nose and big cheekbones.They look like Dravidian.Lioness Those Turk look like Metis/Mulato from Brazil, Cuba, Puerto Rico, Mexico, South Spain, South Italy, Gypsy/Roma people.I think the original inhabitant of Anatolia were black people who mixed with white Seljuk and Ottoman Turks invaders.
quote:Originally posted by IronLion: Because in ancient Greek, Mauros was the name of the colour for black
Mauros means dark, not black.
Negroids don't have a monopoly on dark skin pigmentation. Many other races are dark.
Actually in the technical sense you are correct: all phenotypes display variation in pigmentation. So by that measure, the Albino method of categorizing the worlds people by color is inaccurate.
Therefore I suggest that we replace the racial categories of Black, White, and Yellow; with what is really the color difference; that is degree of Albinism. Then we could add shorthand like: Hair straight Blonde, Nose narrow, Eyes blue, which would be written as HbNnEb.
Thus we could categorize most northern European people as Pure-Albino HsbNnEb.
The sand Niggers in the middle east would be Mulatto HsbNmEbk, so forth and so on.
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^ As I have repeated and shown to be accurate on multiple occasions, there is no real social reality of RACE. All that exists is people with melanin (Huemans) and those without (Albinos). The racial concept was introduced by the latter group who lack life defining melanin.
To amplify the symptoms of albinism, many whites/Jews have compounded their health problems out of ignorance by interbreeding. As the Rothschild exposures have shown, 1/3 of all Rothschild marriages were between first cousins. This explains the severe mental issues we observe in Whites/Jews.
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quote:Originally posted by Narmerthoth: ^ As I have repeated and shown to be accurate on multiple occasions, there is no real social reality of RACE. All that exists is people with melanin (Huemans) and those without (Albinos). The racial concept was introduced by the latter group who lack life defining melanin.
To amplify the symptoms of albinism, many whites/Jews have compounded their health problems out of ignorance by interbreeding. As the Rothschild exposures have shown, 1/3 of all Rothschild marriages were between first cousins. This explains the severe mental issues we observe in Whites/Jews.
Ya, what you say appears to be true. The earlier Rothschilds appear to have been rather robust people with SOME melanin. Whereas the modern ones appear to be pure Albino.
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Narmer, come off it you Kill Whitey Black racist moron. Race is a reality, Jews are NOT White, and there is absolutely nothing wrong with two unrelated White people marrying each other & having children as White women were NOT made for Black men/other non White men, we were made for the White man. We are NOT Albinos you & your ilk only use it as a racist epithet towards us to degrade, demean, & dehumanize us out of your intolerable hatred towards us & desire to see us wiped out.
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quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: "albino" is the white equivalent of nigger
Nigger is a noun in the English language. The word originated as a neutral term referring to black people, as a variation of the Spanish/Portuguese noun negro, a descendant of the Latin adjective Niger ("color black"). Often used slightingly, by the mid 20th century, particularly in the United States, its usage had become unambiguously pejorative, a common ethnic slur usually directed at people of Sub-Saharan African descent.
Albinism (from Latin albus, "white"; see extended etymology, also called achromia, achromasia, or achromatosis) is a congenital disorder characterized by the complete or partial absence of pigment in the skin, hair and eyes due to absence or defect of tyrosinase, a copper-containing enzyme involved in the production of melanin.
Albinism results from inheritance of recessive gene alleles and is known to affect all vertebrates, including humans. While an organism with complete absence of melanin is called an albino (pron.: /ćlˈbaɪnoʊ/ American English, or /ćlˈbiːnoʊ/ British English) an organism with only a diminished amount of melanin is described as Albinoid.
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International banker lord Baron Jacob Rothschild.One of the richest and most powerful man in the world.Vizier of Queen Elizabeth II according to Grace Powers or Vizier to Pope Benedict XVI according to Phil Valentine.
According to the book Babylon Banksters by Joseph Farrell the Temple of the ancient world were the central bank that minted money.The international banker were the priest of the temple.International banking law in ancient time established gold as the most valuable currency of the Western world(Egypt, Babylonia, Persia, Greece, Rome) and established silver as the most valuable currency of the Eastern world(India, China, Japan).International bullion broker aka banker established in the West and the East play the role of money changer from East and West trade.We still have West and East trade today.
Egypt was the greatest gold producer of the Ancient World.The Bisharee mine in Nubia that use slave labor, prisoner labor and mercenary guard soldier in 50 bc was the greatest gold producer in ancient time.Egypt supply gold to India.Egypt and India were great trading partners in ancient times.
According to Roman constitution that become the Catholic Church constitution only the Byzantine empire could mint gold coins in medieval Europe.The European kingdoms could not mint their own coins they received their gold coins from the Basileus of the Eastern Roman Empire with the capital city of Byzantium. After The latin crusade of Western European kingdoms against the Byzantine Empire in the 13 cent the Western Europeen kingdoms were allowed to mint their gold coins.
According to Jordan Maxwell International trade and banking today are base on the Vatican maritime admiralty law.
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^The Scepter and Orb (indicating mastery over the world) are ancient symbols of kingly power.
The globus cruciger (Latin, "cross-bearing orb") is an orb (lat. globus) topped (lat. gerere = to wear) with a cross (lat. crux), a Christian symbol of authority used throughout the Middle Ages and even today on coins, iconography and royal regalia. It symbolises Christ's (the cross) dominion over the world (the orb), literally held in the dominion of an earthly ruler (or sometimes celestial being such as an angel). When held by Christ himself, the subject is known in the iconography of Western art as Salvator Mundi ("Saviour of the World"). It is associated with the sceptre.
Negro boys and girls, do you detect a certain incongruity here???
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Linoness your pics are of people that come from Genetic admixture, the result of interbreeding between two or more previously isolated populations.
So the ancient populations were all BLACK lioness or East Indian. Turks and Palestinian people come from Admixture between the dark skinn east indians or persians and BLACK ARABS and the so called WHITE RACE.
According to Tacitus Lioness he knew that the HEBREWS looked like ETHIOPIAN PEOPLE this is what he said
. As I am about to relate the last days of a famous city, it seems appropriate to throw some light on its origin. Many, again, say that they were a race of Ethiopian origin, who in the time of king Cepheus were driven by fear and hatred of their neighbours to seek a new dwelling-place.
Did you read that he said that the hebrews looked like "they were a race of Ethiopian origin"
Also The Greek Historian Cherilus Account of what the HEBREW looked like:
Flavius Josephus Against Apion, Book 1, sections: 172-175". It is as follows:
"THEY DWELT IN THE SOLYMEAN MOUNTAINS, NEAR A BROAD LAKE; THEIR HEADS WERE SOOTY; THEY HAD ROUND RASURES ON THEM; THEIR HEADS AND FACES WERE LIKE NASTY HORSE HEADS ALSO, THAT HAD BEEN HARDENED IN THE SMOKE."
Now consider this, that "sooty" means Black and horse heads implies that the true nation of Israel, specifically the Jews, who were the only tribe in the land at that time. And when Cherilus referred to the Israelites as looking like "nasty horse heads" this implies that the true Jews had big noses and big lips. And, finally, the description of their heads as "hardened in the smoke" implies that they were Black. The word "hardened" implies that they were very Black.
So the Hebrews looked like Ethiopians and were darkskin or different shades of brown
Modern day Ethiopians
THESE PEOPLE are CALLED FALASHA HEBREWS according to History they are decendants of the people of the tribe of DAN One of the 12 tribes of Isreal
These people DO NOT look like admixture Turks or palestinians the Hebrews come in many different colors and looks none of these looks are WHITE People Now to prove the hebrew people and all dark skin races come in different shades of BROWN I will show pics of The 9 saints of Byzantine Empire:
The Nine Saints were a group of missionaries who were important in the initial growth of Christianity in what is now Ethiopia during the late 5th century. Their names were Abba Aftse, Abba Alef, Abba Aragawi, Abba Garima (Isaac, or Yeshaq), Abba Guba, Abba Liqanos, Abba Pantelewon, Abba Sehma, and Abba Yem’ata. Although frequently described as coming from Syria, only two or three actually came from that province; according to Paul B. Henze, others have been traced to Constantinople, Anatolia, and even Rome.
LOCATION OF THE CHURCH:
Nine Saints Abuna Yemata Guh cave church, Tigray
This is what was pictured in side of the Cave Church Tigray
This proves that the HEBREWS, these so called BLACK PEOPLE Ruled and controlled Byzantine Empire:
As you can see these so called negros are different shades of BROWN
So Lioness whats your comment now huh?
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quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: ^^^^ all the above darker than this:
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HEY LIONNESS the people calling themselves JEWS today are TURKISH KHAZARS NOT HEBREWS they adopted the hebrew ceremonial laws in the 8th century A.D They had no CULTURE of their own so they adopted our culture.
Have You read ARTHUR KOESTLERS "THE THIRTEENTH TRIBE"
Arthur Koestler in his very noteworthy book "THE THIRTEENTH TRIBE gives further detailed information about the KHAZARS and their conversion to the faith of the Israelites and how the majority of today's European Jews are direct descendants of them. The information contained in his book is backed up by scripture that show's the Jews are Gentiles, not natural -born Israelites
ARTHUR KOESTLER "THE THIRTEENTH TRIBE" page 17
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"The large majority of surviving Jews in the world are of Eastern European descent - and thus perhaps mainly of Khazar origin. If so, this would mean that their ancestors came not from the Jordan but from the volga, not from Canaan but from the Caucasus, once believed to be the cradle of the Aryan race; and that genetically they are more closely related to the Hun, uigur, and Magyar tribes than to the seed of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob".
Arthur Koestler further explains why today's Jews call themselves Ashkenazi even though they are NOT the Physical seed of Togarmah. He shows that the KHAZARS took on the name of Ashkenaz because it was prophesied in Jeremiah 51:27 that Ashkenaz and their allies would conquer Babylon.
This book traces the history of the ancient Khazar Empire, a major but almost forgotten power in Eastern Europe, which in A.D. 740 converted to Judaism. Khazaria, a conglomerate of Aryan Turkic tribes, was finally wiped out by the forces of Genghis Han, but evidence indicates that the Khazars themselves migrated to Poland and formed the craddle of Western (Ashkenazim) Jewry... The Khazars' sway extended from the Black sea to the Caspian, from the Caucasus to the Volga, and they were instrumental in stopping the Muslim onslaught against Byzantium, the eastern jaw of the gigantic pincer movement that in the West swept across northern Africa and into Spain. Thereafter the Khazars found themselves in a precarious position between the two major world powers: the Eastern Roman Empire in Byzantium and the triumphant followers of Mohammed. As Arthur Koestler points out, the Khazars were the Third World of their day, and they chose a surprising method of resisting both the Western pressure to become Christian and the Eastern to adopt Islam. Rejecting both, they converted to Judaism.
So the following people are KHAZARS NOT HEBREWS
Arnold swartznegger may be a KHAZAR as well
THESE ARE KHAZARS THEY were instumental in ENSLAVING OUR PEOPLE.
The following passages are from Dr. Raphael's book Jews and Judaism in the United States: A Documentary History (New York: Behrman House, Inc., Pub, 1983), pp. 14, 23-25.
"Jews also took an active part in the Dutch colonial slave trade; indeed, the bylaws of the Recife and Mauricia congregations (1648) included an imposta (Jewish tax) of five soldos for each Negro slave a Brazilian Jew purchased from the West Indies Company. Slave auctions were postponed if they fell on a Jewish holiday. In Curacao in the seventeenth century, as well as in the British colonies of Barbados and Jamaica in the eighteenth century, Jewish merchants played a major role in the slave trade. In fact, in all the American colonies, whether French (Martinique), British, or Dutch, Jewish merchants frequently dominated.
"This was no less true on the North American mainland, where during the eighteenth century Jews participated in the 'triangular trade' that brought slaves from Africa to the West Indies and there exchanged them for molasses, which in turn was taken to New England and converted into rum for sale in Africa. Isaac Da Costa of Charleston in the 1750's, David Franks of Philadelphia in the 1760's, and Aaron Lopez of Newport in the late 1760's and early 1770's dominated Jewish slave trading on the American continent."
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The Europeans Jews have some minor Khazar ancestry but recent genetics show that, unlike the Ethiopians, they and the South African Lemba have significant Hebrew Isreal DNA.
Evidence of this is sought in the name [for the origin of the Hebrew people]. There is a famous mountain in Crete called Ida; the neighbouring tribe, the Idi, came to be called Judaei by a barbarous lengthening of the national name. Others assert that in the reign of Isis the overflowing population of Egypt, led by Hierosolymus and Judas, discharged itself into the neighbouring countries. Many, again, say that they were a race of Ethiopian origin, who in the time of king Cepheus were driven by fear and hatred of their neighbours to seek a new dwelling-place. Others describe them as an Assyrian horde who, not having sufficient territory, took possession of part of Egypt, and founded cities of their own in what is called the Hebrew country, lying on the borders of Syria. Others, again, assign a very distinguished origin to the Jews, alleging that they were the Solymi, a nation celebrated in the j poems of Homer, who called the city which they founded Hierosolyma after their own name.
3. Most writers, however, agree in stating that once a disease, which horribly disfigured the body, broke out over Egypt; that king Bocchoris, seeking a remedy, consulted the oracle of Hammon, and was bidden to cleanse his realm, and to convey into some foreign land this race detested by the gods.
The people, who had been collected after diligent search, finding themselves left in a desert, sat for the most part in a stupor of grief, till one of the exiles, Moyses by name, warned them not to look for any relief from God or man, forsaken as they were of both, but to trust to them selves, taking for their heaven-sent leader that man who should first help them to be quit of their present misery. They agreed, and in utter ignorance began to advance at random. Nothing, however, distressed them so much as the scarcity of water, and they had sunk ready to perish in all I directions over the plain, when a herd of wild asses was seen to retire from their pasture to a rock shaded by trees. Moyses followed them, and, guided by the appearance of a grassy spot, discovered an abundant spring of water. This furnished relief. After a continuous journey for six days, on the seventh they possessed themselves of a country, from which they expelled the inhabitants, and in which they founded a city and a temple.
4. Moyses, wishing to secure for the future his authority over the nation, gave them a novel form of worship, opposed to all that practised by other men. Things sacred with us, with them have no sanctity, while they allow what with us is forbidden. In their holy place they have consecrated an image of the animal by whose guidance they found deliverance from their long and thirsty wanderings. They slay the ram, seemingly in derision of Hammon, and they sacrifice the ox, because the Egyptians worship it as Apis. They abstain from swines flesh, in consideration of what they suffered when they were infected by the leprosy to which this animal is liable. By their frequent fasts they still bear witness to the long hunger of former days, and the Jewish bread, made without leaven, is retained as a memorial of their hurried seizure of corn. We are told that the rest of the seventh day was adopted, because this day brought with it a termination of their toils; after a while the charm of indolence beguiled them into giving up the seventh year also to inaction. But others say that it is an observance in honour of Saturn, either from the primitive elements of their faith having been transmitted from the Ideai, who are said to have shared the flight of that God, and to have founded the race, or from the circumstance that of the seven stars which rule the destinies of men Saturn moves in the highest orbit and with the mightiest power, and that many of the heavenly bodies complete their revolutions and courses in multiples of seven.
5. This worship, however introduced~ is upheld by its antiquity; all their other customs, which are at once perverse and disgusting, owe their strength to their very badness. The most degraded out of other races, scorning their national beliefs, brought to them their contributions and presents. This augmented the wealth of the Jews, as also did the fact, that among themselves they are inflexibly honest and ever ready to shew compassion, though they regard the rest of mankind with all the hatred of enemies. They sit apart at meals, they sleep apart. and though, as a nation, they are singularly prone to lust, they abstain from intercourse with foreign women; among themselves nothing is unlawful. Circumcision was adopted by them as a mark of difference from other men. Those who come over to their religion adopt the practice, and have this lesson first instilled into despise all gods, to disown their country, and set at nought parents, children, and brethren. Still they provide for increase of their numbers. It is a crime among them any newly-born infant. They hold that the souls of perish in battle or by the hands of the executioner are mortal. Hence a passion for propagating their race and a contempt for death. They are wont to bury rather burn their dead, following in this the Egyptian custom, bestow the same care on the dead, and they hold the belief about the lower world. Quite different is their about things divine. The Egyptians worship many animals and images of monstrous form; the Jews have purely conceptions of Deity, as one in essence. They call those profane who make representations of God in human shape of perishable materials. They believe that Being to supreme and eternal, neither capable of representation or decay. They therefore do not allow any images to their cities: much less in their temples. This flattery paid to their kings, nor this honour to our Emperors. From the fact, however, that their priests used to chant to music of flutes and cymbals, and to wear garlands of and that a golden vine was found in the temple, some thought that they worshipped Father Liber, the conqueror of the East, though their institutions do not by any means harmonize with the theory; for Liber established a festive and cheerful worship, while the Jewish religion is tasteless and mean.
6. Eastward the country is bounded by Arabia; to the south lies Egypt; on the west are Phcenicia and the Mediterranean. Northward it commands an extensive prospect over Syria. The inhabitants are healthy and able to bear fatigue. Rain is uncommon, but the soil is fertile. Its products resemble our own. They have, besides, the balsam and the palm. The palm-groves are tall and graceful. The balsam is a shrub; each branch, as it fills with sap, may pierced with a fragment of stone or pottery. If steel is employed, the veins shrink up. The sap is used by physicians. Libanus is the principal mountain, and has, strange to say, amidst these burning heats, a summit shaded with trees and never deserted by its snows. The same range supplies and sends forth the stream of the Jordan. This river does not discharge itself into the sea, but flows entire through two lakes, and is lost in the third. This is a lake of vast circumference; it resembles the sea, but is more nauseous in taste; it breeds pestilence among those who live near by its noisome odour; it cannot be moved by the wind, and it affords no home either to fish or water-birds. These strange waters support what is thrown upon them, as on a solid surface, and all persons, whether they can swim or no, are equally buoyed up by the waves. At a certain season of the year the lake throws up bitumen, and the method of collecting it has been taught by that experience which teaches all other arts. It is naturally a fluid of dark colour; when vinegar is sprinkled upon it, it coagulates and floats upon the surface. Those whose business it is take it with the hand, and draw it on to the deck of the boat; it then continues of itself to flow in and lade the vessel till the stream is cut off. Nor can this be done by any instrument of brass or iron. It shrinks from blood or any cloth stained by the menstrual of women. Such is the account of old authors; but those who know the country say that the bitumen moves m heaving masses on the water, that it is drawn by hand to the shore, and that there, when dried by the evaporation of the earth and the power of the sun, it is cut into pieces with axes and wedges just as timber or stone would be.
7. Not far from this lake lies a plain, once fertile, they say, and the site of great cities, but afterwards struck by lightning and consumed. Of this event, they declare, traces still remain, for the soil, which is scorched in appearance, has lost its productive power. Posts: 42940 | From: , | Registered: Jan 2010
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^ Since the Ashkenazi Jews control the complete Gnome program, they can make DNA results say whatever they like. People like yourself have no idea of how DNA analyzers work, so you blindly repeat whatever the Jews want you to sans any tre understanding of how the results were obtained..
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quote:Originally posted by Narmerthoth: ^ Since the Ashkenazi Jews control the complete Gnome program, they can make DNA results say whatever they like. People like yourself have no idea of how DNA analyzers work, so you blindly repeat whatever the Jews want you to sans any tre understanding of how the results were obtained..
Quite true, I will start a thread on Hebrews.
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quote:Originally posted by Brada-Anansi: all Blacks were Moors but all moors were not actually Black whats so hard to understand about that.
1) what distinguishes a black Moor from any black African?
2) ancient writers did not call people brown. Some languages at that time didn't even have a word for brown. Ancient European writers who applied these terms that people cherish were not going by modern American standards for "black" (of African descent, has an afro etc,) Thus both the men below would be "black" to ancient European writers
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So..., who is the African American?
Oh, and Moors came from Africa.
Trying alter history is your best bet.
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quote:Originally posted by Brada-Anansi: [QB] Lioness
quote:The term "Moor" was not a term those peoples called themselves. Originally the term was used by Europeans to mean various Muslims if North Africa, like black Africans, Arabs and Berbers (berbers are a mix of ethnicities) Later on Euroepans changed the menaing meaning to mean any black person form Africa In the beginning it meant black and brown Muslim invaders from North Africa Later it changed to mean dark black Africans but Islam was no longer an important part of the definition. This is more like how the Germans used it. They were not invaded by the Muslims. They used generic black people with no names in their heraldry. They called them "Moors" yet they were often Christian converts and Ethiopians who were not from North Africa
No the term Moor was used long before the Islamic era it began with the Greeks "μαυρο" or "mavro" which literally means "black, blackened or charred" and has long been used to describe black or very dark things such as, "Mavri Thalassa"
mavri and maurus etc are different words we had been discussing the crusades or almoravid periods
the Numidans were (202 BC – 46 BC) ancient Mauretania ( Roman province not the same territoty as modern day Mauritania) (3rd ce BC)
Juba II Numidian king of Mauretania 52/50 BC – AD 23
hair not wooly
The region had also been influenced by the Phoenicians
After the Vandals, Greeks and Romans and finally the Arabs you cannot say that the North African Muslims who conquered Spain in the 8th c., called Moors were the Numidians even though the Numidians sometimes get called by writers "Moors"
We are talking about when Europeans spelled the word Moor or Moros, using the letter "o" It is a loosely applied the people themselves never called themselves.
And the way it was used in places like Germany was fnot specific to meaning even Almoravid descendants of North Africa much less specific to Numdians/ancient Mauretanians
At that time, in the European medieval period they applied the term to any dark skinned African regardless of if they wer form North Africa or another place in Africa
Αἰθίοψ , οπος, ὁ, fem. Αἰθιοπίς , ίδος, ἡ （Αἰθίοψ as fem., A.Fr.328, 329): pl.
A. “Αἰθιοπῆες” Il.1.423, whence nom. “Αἰθιοπεύς” Call.Del.208: (αἴθω, ὄψ):—properly, Burnt-face, i.e. Ethiopian, negro, Hom., etc.; prov., Αἰθίοπα σμήχειν 'to wash a blackamoor white', Luc.Ind. 28.
2. a fish, Agatharch.109.
II. Adj., Ethiopian, “Αἰθιοπὶς γλῶσσα” Hdt.3.19; “γῆ” A.Fr.300, E.Fr.228.4: Subst. Αἰθιοπίς, ἡ, title of Epic poem in the Homeric cycle; also name of a plant, silver sage, Salvia argentea, Dsc.4.104:— also Αἰθιόπιος , α, ον, E.Fr.349: Αἰθιοπικός , ή, όν, Hdt., etc.; Αἰ. κύμινον, = ἄμι, Hp.Morb.3.17, Dsc. 3.62:—Subst. Αἰθιοπία , ἡ, Hdt., etc. 2. red-brown, AP7.196 (Mel.), cf. Ach. Tat.4.5.
Originally appearing in Volume V28, Page 967 of the 1911 Encyclopedia Britannica.
ZENAGA (SANHAJA, SENAJER) , a Berber tribe of southern Morocco who gave their name to Senegal, once their tribal home . They formed one of the tribes which, uniting under the leadership of Yusef bin Tashfin, crossed the Sahara and gave a dynasty to Morocco and Spain, namely, that of the Almoravides (q.v.) . The Zeirid dynasty which supplanted the Fatimites in the Maghrib and founded the city of Algiers was also of Zenaga origin . The Zenaga dialect of Berber is spoken in southern Morocco and on the banks of the lower Senegal, largely by the negro population .
quote:Originally posted by TRUTH HITMAN: [QB] According to history the Brittons and the Gauls Celts Germans were all the same stock with different looks within thier RACE theyu wer not WHITE people Whites were GRECO ROMAN thats it
HERE is the Proof:
SCYTHIANS:
MACRITCHIE: Quote From HIS BOOK : Ancient and Modern Britons Vol 1 and Vol 2
"Turks,sabartoiasphali, Czervii, Ugri, or Black Ugri or Ughres or Ogres are to be IDENTIFIED with the BLACK HUNS. Now this fact is important, because it brings us face to face with a large and important nation of the SCYTHIANS who were not only STYLED "BLACK" but who were actually so. And therefore, knowing how numerous they were, and how they spread themselves like a flood over Europe., it is to then we must look if we want to learn something of the history and manners of what may be called the material ancestors of the MELANCHROI. NOT that they constitute the whole of this branch of Pedigree,but plainly they form a considerable part of it.
If they left desendants as numerous, or half as numerous as themselves, The HUNS are described as being of a DARK complexion almost BLACK."
Mike there you have it, proof Turks,
Originally some of the Scythians, Huns or Ugres etc. were black. The Sabari of the Zab otherwise known as Sabartu Asphali or Sievartik (original Sephardik peoples) were often called Czerni or black Ugri in texts. They were according to the Iranian texts the original Avars and Khazars as well.
That doesn't mean all of the Scythians, Ugrii or Ogres, Danes, Huns and Avars were black. Most of them are later described as very fair with whitish, golden or red hair depending on the region. Some were even predominantly or partially east Asian in appearance.
It does explain on the other hand how the ancestors of modern Europeans received so many of the African or Afro-Asiatic deities such as Thor, Walkyries and Freyya etc. Posts: 4226 | From: New Jersey, USA | Registered: Mar 2007
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Palestinian refugees in southern Lebanon circa 1982.
Interesting Patrol - I saw some of these black Palestinians working in some of the Arab grocery stores when I was living in Harlem some years ago. I didn't know they had fled to Lebanon too.
They look like they are probably from some of the same stock descendants of early Arabs still living in Jordan.
Bedouin of Jordan
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quote:Originally posted by IronLion: Because in ancient Greek, Mauros was the name of the colour for black
Mauros means dark, not black.
Negroids don't have a monopoly on dark skin pigmentation. Many other races are dark.
The word Mavri or Mavros in Greek is a derogatory term for black man today. So what you said is false. It can also be used for dark things.
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Mauros means dark, not black. It is distingushed in medieval texts to "Ethiope" (Black). Throughout Shakespeare the Moors are never called "Blacks" (Ethiopes).
And we've all seen that your criteria for "black men" has no scientific basis, unlike how anthropologists classify the Negroid.
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quote: And therefore, knowing how numerous they were, and how they spread themselves like a flood over Europe., it is to then we must look if we want to learn something of the history and manners of what may be called the material ancestors of the MELANCHROI
The Melanochroi are Caucasoids. The term was first used by Huxley. In brackets he called them "dark whites". There is nothing "Black" about people of this appearance.
"Blacks" don't have Caucasoid bone structure or hair texture - as much as you crave a thin nose or wavy hair, Negroids don't have those features. Claiming they do, is like saying Mongoloids are blonde.
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quote:Originally posted by Faheemdunkers: Mauros means dark, not black. It is distingushed in medieval texts to "Ethiope" (Black). Throughout Shakespeare the Moors are never called "Blacks" (Ethiopes).
And we've all seen that your criteria for "black men" has no scientific basis, unlike how anthropologists classify the Negroid.
Personally I could care less what Mauros means today. All I care about is what it meant. Among Latins and Greeks the word ORIGINALLY referred to BLACK MEN with WOOLLY HAIR. Just in case you were wondering, I think people here are not interested in your wishful thinking and unqualified opinions especially about "Caucasoids" and "Negroids".
In medievel texts?! Even Shakespeare makes the Moor in the play "Titus Andronicus" "coal" black and "woolly-haired" so you obviously don't know what your talking about. Shakespeare’s Merchant of Venice, III v. 42 and in George Peel’s play, The Battle of Alcazar, “Muly, the Moor, is called the Negro”! Dutchmen, Englishmen, Norsemen and Italians also OFTEN used the word Moor as a synonym for a black man just as even the early Mozarabs used it for the word "Negro" according to F. Javier Simonet. And yes - black men are dark.
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what a weak argument because Shakespeare used stereotypes, and far after Al-Andalusus people like Will Smith could not be considered black, not a Moor, he would have to be "coal black"
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quote:Originally posted by the lioness,: what a weak argument because Shakespeare used stereotypes, and far after Al-Andalusus people like Will Smith could not be considered black, not a Moor, he would have to be "coal black"
There is nothing to argue about. Shakespeare called his Moors pitch black, and so did many other writers. Of course there were others like Isidore in Spain who used "black as night" in its stead. Posts: 4226 | From: New Jersey, USA | Registered: Mar 2007
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quote:Among Latins and Greeks the word ORIGINALLY referred to BLACK MEN with WOOLLY HAIR
No retard it didn't. It meant "dark". It only came to be associated with "Blacks" (capital) very late, hence the term "Blackamoor". Orginally it was used only as a term covering the Caucasoid Berbers. Once the Negroids from Sub-Sahara Africa were greater known throughout the Middle Ages, they were called Blackamoors + "Black" to Moor to distinguish between the original Moors (who were never Black).
Its got nothing to with woolly hair. Caucasoid Berbers across North Africa have wavy hair.
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"In one sense the word 'Moor' means the Mohammedan Berbers and Arabs of north-western Africa, with some Syrians, who conquered most of Spain in the eighth century and dominated the country for hundreds of years, leaving behind some magnificent examples of their architecture as a lasting memorial of their presence. These so-called 'Moors' were far in advance of any of the peoples of northern Europe at that time, not only in architecture but also in literature, science, technology, industry, and agriculture; and their civilization had a permanent influence on Spain. They were Europids, unhybridized with members of any other race. The Berbers were (and are) Mediterranids, probably with some admixture from the Cromagnid subrace of ancient times. The Arabs were Orientalids, the Syrians probably of mixed Orientalid and Armenoid stock." - John Baker, Race, Oxford University Press, 1974, p.226
The historic Moors were predominantly Caucasoids (unless you consider the few slaves they had and hybrids).
"The Berber populations nearer the Mediterranean coast were probably Caucasoids. There is little doubt that they came from the Middle East, and they have occupied the region since the Neolithic or even earlier." - Luigi Luca Cavalli-Sforza, Genes, Peoples and Languages, Penguin, 2001, p.122
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