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Mike the Moors alway wear their chainmail armor under their robe.

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[QB] Malidibusul great picture as usual.Picture of black Charlemagne and his soldier attacking or visiting a Christian castle with black Christian soldier and a Moorish mercenary military commander with a white bandata on his head.Charlemagne soldier were whitened bright white and the opening on Charlemagne helmet was paint so you cant see is black face.

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what's hidden under the helmet:

Charlemagne,
Karlstein castle


^^^^ the true Black Germanic king Charlemagne of the Franks

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[QB] For all the images, for me is confirmed that black ruled holy roman in 14th, 15th and 16th century




"DATE : 1400"

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Africans are waking up from the sleep-inducing educational curriculum written by White colonial masters for Black children.

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I don't know if that's a good thing, or a bad thing. Please follow my thinking for a moment:

True history makes it clear that at some point, the new Albino arrivals from Central Asia (Germanics/Slavs) convinced themselves that they were the victims of Black prejudice and oppression. Accordingly they convinced themselves that no atrocity would be too great in order to free themselves from that situation. (Similar to the Khazar attitude in Palestine).

The result was Black genocide in Europe and the Americas, (the indigenous Blacks in the Americas were killed and replaced by Blacks under Albino control from Europe and Africa).

The problem is that knowledge like that is harmless at this level, where it is only discussed by denizens of internet forums like us.

But once it gains credibility, where ordinary people start thinking about it and asking questions; well then it's not harmless any more.

Such knowledge begs a response to what the Albinos did. Somehow I'm not comfortable having Africans considering what that response should be; (I once had an African suggest to me that I go to the U.N. to get money to teach true history in Africa (they're clueless).

Africans would likely put us back into an endless cycle of racial conquest and decline, we need to move beyond that. But that's not to say that we do not note what the Albinos did, of course we do, and we remember it as to what they are capable of, but still, we must move on. Accordingly, I say let's leave Africans as the last to know, I think the world will be safer that way.

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jantavanta - Please show me how African Spiritualism has done Africans any good at all. Quite to the contrary, the evidence suggests that African Spiritualism or any other type of ".ism" has perpetually kept Africans in the Stone Age.

If you want examples of religious/societal success, you must look at the Indus Valley People, the Egyptians, ....

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giant wildmen and moors are used in mythological tapestrys along with unicorns and dragons

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So why was it that the Catholics went to war with the Moors?

What was the reason? What were the Crusades about?

And why was it that that the Catholic King Charles V, Holy Roman Emperor was the first to granted licenses to transport African slaves to the new world.? i licences which he granted to his trusted and favorite courtiers

And was it that the Spanish Inquisition persecutions and torture were carried out by Catholics?

And why was it that the Conquerers of Central America were Catholics?


I'll tell you why
house Negroism at it's finest,
now carry on.....

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Damn you're stupid:

So Blacks never invaded the territory of other Blacks eh?

As I have said many times, the crusades were about Albino Turks usurping and taking over from the Black Arabs.

Idiot: slavery was always about Blacks enslaving others, including other Blacks. P.S. pass that on to the Negroes too please. You have their minds so fuched-up that the concept is difficult for them to understand.

Charles V was very apprehensive about what was going on in the Americas as a personal matter. But Blacks can be greedy for conquest too, only not as degenerate as Albinos. Afterward control of the Americas passed to Spain and Portugal exclusively, which came under the control of Albinos, that is when the great atrocities happened.

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France and germany in 12th, 13th
people were very black , flat nose, thick lips
like people like say "true black"

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There were some blacks there then but there is no evidence that there were anything larger than a very small minority in France or Germany at the time.

Think I'm wrong? produce some evidence.





^^^ here, yes. an authentic medieval European illustration with black people in it. Jump for joy were part of old cracker land

Do you even know what the scene is about or do you just look at pictures and then skip to new pictures endlessly?


So if there's some black people here there are also white people.

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France and germany in 12th, 13th
people were very black , flat nose, thick lips
like people like say "true black"

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So the white people in the painting are actually black with "flat noses" and "big lips" ????? what are they doing there? I thought all the nobles were black. There were no regular blacks only nobles who held thir noses in the air and collected taxes form the peasants and ate rack of lamb.
Does anybody really believe these theories ir it just an entertaining game?

You cannot tell the demographics of a country's population but looking at a few paintings.

suppose you found 50 paintings like this? How would that compare to a majority white population in medieval France or Germany that was in the hundreds of thousands?

And if you are look at these paintings what about the rest of your own source? What ifsomebody looks at the rest of the book at your own link:

http://www.christusrex.org/www2/berry/berry1.html


^^^^ no never look at the context, the rest of the source only the part that allows your imagination to run wild.

Look at this Gothic book, your link,
Les Très Riches Heures du Duc de Berry go through each page, This is "black France" ?
They all have dark skin and flat noses? What? the paintings are fake? Well then what are a few blacks doing in there? Did they forget to fake some?of the paintings? Did they forget to paint some white?

Or were blacks a small minority in France at the time blacks in it?
You cannot do demographics by paintings.
But even if you did how about looking at every painting by your favorite European painter. What is the proportion of blacks to white in all their paintings you can find, total?

Here's another page:
What are white people doing there? I thought it was Black France.
Oh this is a fake one but they forgot and left a couple of real ones? stop it already




How come you see some obvioulsly black people, darl black people sometimes in these illustrations and paintings but they don't have names or titles?
It's a conspiracy? Then why are they there at all for us to go to white owned archives and look at?

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As I have said many times, the crusades were about Albino Turks usurping and taking over from the Black Arabs.

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giant wildmen and moors are used in mythological tapestrys along with unicorns and dragons

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Not true its not a Fantasy the tapestry actually depicts negro races defending their territorry.

from invading Whites


check out this part of the tapestry is shows a WHITE FEMALE living in CAVES with animals.


WILD MAN and THE MOORS 1


These so called wild peeople look just like modern day WHITES.

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The Albino Yearns to return to the wild
LMAO!!


She looks just like the wild woman


http://americanlivewire.com/emma-orbach/#./?&_suid=136020920232306764601522059953

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This is a painting of Mary and Jesus, with st. Martin of Tours and st. Bernardin of Sienne at their feet. Church of st. Michel Menton France.


So how come st. Martin is a White guy here???

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This is a painting of Mary and Jesus, with st. Martin of Tours and st. Bernardin of Sienne at their feet. Church of st. Michel Menton France.


So how come st. Martin is a White guy here???

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Assuming the identities of the men in these painting is as listed:
St. Martin of Tours died in 397 AD. Above he is depicted somewhat racially ambiguously lathough he has simialr light brown skin tone as the depiction of st. Bernardin who died in 1444 AD.

The above painting was made over a thousand years after St, Martin's death and there are older paintings of St Marin, unlikely any are that close to being made near the period of his lifetime.

Here is an older painting


Master Petrus, Saint Martin Sharing his Cloak with a Beggar, 1510-1520


so no claims should be made about any of these paintings as being true to how the real person might have looked considering that they were made hundreds of years after the person died.
Obviously the larger painting was probably painted by a dark skinned Turk who referred to the older white versions of St, Martin and decided to mulattoized him and St. Bernardin's skin color to be more similar to his own semi muurish hue

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This is like a muslin warrior look like



European dress


Muslim?

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^^^^ Saracens kill prisoners Christians, a 14th-century miniature

do you ever post text?

Saracen was a term for Muslims widely used in Europe during the later medieval era. The term's meaning evolved during its history. In the early centuries AD in Greek and Latin it referred to a people who lived in desert areas in and near the Roman province of Arabia, and who were specifically distinguished from Arabs.In Europe during the Early Medieval era, the term began to be used to describe Arab tribes as well.[3] By the 12th century, Saracen had become synonymous with Muslim in Medieval Latin literature. This expansion of the meaning had begun centuries earlier among the Byzantine Greeks, as evidenced in Byzantine Greek documents from the 8th century.

Usage of the term in the Latin West changed as the Middle Ages progressed, but its connotation remained negative and its exact definition continued to be unclear. In an 8th century polemical work, John of Damascus criticized the Saracens as followers of a false prophet and "forerunner[s] to the Antichrist." Two centuries later, Europeans perceived Saracens as poor, uneducated idolaters belonging to a group wholly separate from the Arabs who brought Aristotle to the Latin West and the Moors and Berbers fighting Christians in Spain; someone who got all of his or her information on Islam from medieval sources would not conclude the three groups represented one continuous culture.

By the 12th century, Medieval Europeans had more specific conceptions of Islam and "Saracen" had become an ethnic and religious marker.In some Medieval literature Saracens—that is, Muslims—are black-skinned, while Christians are fair-skinned. An example is in The King of Tars, a medieval romance.The Song of Roland, an Old French 11th-century heroic poem, takes the association of black skin with Saracens a step further by making it their only exotic feature.


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puppet,Argante the Saracen king, Opera dei Pupi


Normans


The opera of the puppets and the Sicilian tradition of cantastorî (singers of tales) are rooted in the Provençal troubadour tradition in Sicily during the reign of Frederick II, Holy Roman Emperor, in the first half of the 13th century. A great place to see this marionette art is the puppet theatres of Palermo, Sicily

Many of the characters portrayed in the Opera dei Pupi come straight from the history of Southern Italy. Heroes of the Norman Conquest such as Roger (Ruggiero) and Tancred (Tancredi) do battle with the Saracens or vie for a maiden's hand. Other characters like Godfrey (Goffredo) and Reynald (Rinaldo) are fictional characters whose origins are based upon real-life participants in the Crusades. The most popular character is arguably Orlando, the Sicilian version of Charlemagne's (Carlo Magno) nephew Roland and the most common marionette sold in gift shops.

The villains of the Opera dei Pupi are more fanciful and besides the Saracens who once ruled Sicily, are based more in legend than in fact. Agricane is one such villain who is identified as the King of Mongolia and fights Orlando for the love of a princess. Another foe of the hero Orlando is Alcina, a sorceress. Argante is a powerful Saracen warrior that battles Tancredi in a fight to the death at the walls of Jerusalem. Whether good or evil, the characters and their deeds are all much larger than life, the equivalent to today's fictional super heroes.

The performances that include Orlando and Carlo Magno are derived from the famous Song of Roland (Chanson de Roland)

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What is the real meaning of Moor?
Means Muslim or black?

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The term "Moor" was not a term those peoples called themselves. Originally the term was used by Europeans to mean various Muslims if North Africa, like black Africans, Arabs and Berbers (berbers are a mix of ethnicities) Later on Euroepans changed the menaing meaning to mean any black person form Africa In the beginning it meant black and brown Muslim invaders from North Africa Later it changed to mean dark black Africans but Islam was no longer an important part of the definition. This is more like how the Germans used it. They were not invaded by the Muslims. They used generic black people with no names in their heraldry. They called them "Moors" yet they were often Christian converts and Ethiopians who were not from North Africa

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The term "Moor" was not a term those peoples called themselves. Originally the term was used by Europeans to mean various Muslims if North Africa, like black Africans, Arabs and Berbers (berbers are a mix of ethnicities) Later on Euroepans changed the menaing meaning to mean any black person form Africa In the beginning it meant black and brown Muslim invaders from North Africa Later it changed to mean dark black Africans but Islam was no longer an important part of the definition. This is more like how the Germans used it. They were not invaded by the Muslims. They used generic black people with no names in their heraldry. They called them "Moors" yet they were often Christian converts and Ethiopians who were not from North Africa

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No the term Moor was used long before the Islamic era it began with the Greeks "μαυρο" or "mavro" which literally means "black, blackened or charred" and has long been used to describe black or very dark things such as, "Mavri Thalassa"

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mavri and maurus etc are different words
we had been discussing the crusades or almoravid periods

the Numidans were (202 BC – 46 BC)
ancient Mauretania ( Roman province not the same territoty as modern day Mauritania) (3rd ce BC)


Juba II Numidian king of Mauretania
52/50 BC – AD 23

hair not wooly

The region had also been influenced by the Phoenicians

After the Vandals, Greeks and Romans and finally the Arabs you cannot say that the North African Muslims who conquered Spain in the 8th c., called Moors were the Numidians even though the Numidians sometimes get called by writers "Moors"

We are talking about when Europeans spelled the word Moor or Moros, using the letter "o"
It is a loosely applied the people themselves never called themselves.

And the way it was used in places like Germany was fnot specific to meaning even Almoravid descendants of North Africa much less specific to Numdians/ancient Mauretanians

At that time, in the European medieval period they applied the term to any dark skinned African regardless of if they wer form North Africa or another place in Africa

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