Seeing the images of the storming of the State Security Bastilles in Nasr City, Alexandria, Beheira, Aswan, Siwa and elsewhere, it dawned on me that many--including myself--have underestimated the scope of the events of the last few weeks. On 11 February, Egypt got rid of a dictator and his cronies, who all had come to symbolize stagnation and corruption. But it turns out this was just the beginning. What is now being questioned--and, step-by-step, brought down--is a method of governance, raising questions about the very nature of the relationship between citizen and state. And that battle is yet to be won.
After the fall of Hosni Mubarak, it seemed like the military wanted to restore order as quickly as possible. This is a perfectly legitimate aim when it comes to the security situation, but it was a misstep when it came to the institutions of the state. The Supreme Council of the Armed Forces set a six-month deadline for restoring the normal order of things, tasking a committee with quickly patching up the constitution and electoral laws. That committee itself recognized this was an interim measure, and suggested that a new constitution should be drafted within a year. The idea is that this will be handled by the next president and parliament, which will essentially act as a constituent assembly.
This idea has its merits, but it ignores the thirst for immediate justice and the gradual realization of what kind of regime Mubarak (and his predecessors) ran. There were worse dictatorships, yes, but the problem was not simply an aging, authoritarian president, his ambitious son and his corrupt entourage. It was that, for the sake of regime preservation, a sprawling security apparatus collected information on citizens, manipulated them, cajoled and threatened them, humiliated them. State Security did not just, as its role should have been, keep tabs on possible terrorists and criminal networks. It ran Egypt on a day-to-day level, super-imposing itself onto the regular bureaucracy, acting as an intermediary.
While ministries shuffled paper and red tape, state security kept tabs on people. This goes beyond the issue of torture, which it certainly practiced abundantly, or the racketeering, blackmailing and other schemes its officers carried out with impunity. What those who gained access to its offices discovered is that, much like the Ministry of Transport might keep an inventory of its buses and trains, State Security maintained an elaborate database on citizens, the threats they represented, their weaknesses, relationships and other every little detail of their lives.
This process that had its own chilling logic, reminiscent of the “banality of evil” Hannah Arendt chronicled in Nazi Germany, Andrei Almarik in the Soviet Union, Florian Henckel von Donnersmarck in East Germany, or Ariel Dorfman in Pinochet’s Chile. What it boils down to is that a vast bureaucracy existed simply to perpetuate itself and those in charge. Consider the neat categorizations of the population--“Muslim Brothers”, “Communists and human rights activists,” etc.--or the recent allegation that the Ministry of Trade paid a monthly retainer of LE174,000 to its own state security watchers to get them to write positive reports.
Whatever counter-terrorism and other legitimate roles State Security played, this must have been a relatively minor part of what it did: most of its resources were dedicated to the humdrum task of keeping tabs on those Egyptians who, for whatever reason--wealth, political opinion, media influence, foreign connections--posed a potential threat to the regime. In the end, this may have become about more than protecting the president and National Democratic Party bosses: the real power brokers in late Mubarak Egypt were most probably high-level officials at the Ministry of Interior, who ran things even if they weren’t public figures.
To deal with the immensity of this realization (or for many, a confirmation of what they already felt but could not prove), the military will have to adjust its ambitions for the interim period. It is no longer enough to have an adjustment period to a new, hopefully more democratic, regime. There has to be a wider process of national reconciliation and acknowledgement of past crimes if Egypt isn’t to sink into a morass of endless accusations and recriminations.
The population at large will also have to adjust its expectations for how justice will be rendered. If every official and businessman alleged to have committed offenses or engaged in corruption is pursued through the courts, the process will take years if not decades. The main culprits should no doubt be pursued, but something else will be needed to render a sense of justice that so many crave.
A good model to follow would be something along the lines of the truth and reconciliation commissions implemented in South Africa and elsewhere. What Egypt is now experiencing is not like the end of Apartheid, in that it’s not’s about the acts of a distinct group against another. But there is a need to bear witness, in the open and for all to hear, to the testimony of the victims and the confessions of the perpetrators of the fallen regime. It will mean facing some uncomfortable truths, not least of which is the degree to which very few public figures are completely blameless.
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Interesting interview with Tahani al-Gebali, Egypt’s first female judge and vice president of the Supreme Constitutional Court and why she will be saying 'no' in the referendum on March 19th and how she thinks things should be handled over the next few months.
الصفحة الرسمية لحكومة عصام شرف التعليم" تحذف فصلا كاملا عن "مبارك" من منهج التربية الوطنية
الدكتور أحمد جمال الدين موسى، أصدر تعليمات لمساعده الدكتور رضا أبو سريع والدكتور أحمد السيد، مستشارى مادتى الفلسفة والتربية الوطنية فى الوزارة، بحذف فصل كامل من محتوى النصف الدراسى الأول فى كتاب مادة التربية الوطنية المقرر على طلاب المرحلة الثانية من الثانوي...ة العامة، لأن هذ...ا الفصل يعرض لعهد الرئيس السابق حسنى مبارك بشكلاً دعائى وليس علمى .
Google Translate (except I have changed it's translation of mubarak which was 'blessed' back to Mubarak):
Official Page of the Government of Essam Sharaf Education ", delete an entire chapter on "Mubarak" from the national education curriculum
Dr. Ahmed Gamal Eddin Moussa, issued instructions to his assistant, Dr. Reda Abu fast and Dr Ahmed Al-Sayed, adviser to the subjects of philosophy and civic education in the ministry, delete the entire chapter of the content of half the first semester in the Book of citizenship education to be on the students of the second stage of secondary ... e public , because this ... a Chapter presents to the reign of former President Hosni Mubarak similar free resource propaganda and not scientific.
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quote:Originally posted by Monkey: I wouldn't be convinced it was the Beduoin. I haven't seen an awful lot about this apart from that there were a spate of robberies, but did they catch any of them?
"Community meeting, Sharks Bay, 9.3.2011 Due to the current security situation in Sharm el Sheikh and having looting problems, which were attributed to some irresponsible young Bedouins, we have contacted the Sheikhs/Heads of the Bedouin tribes in Sharm. We, a group of long-time Sharm residents along with Bedouins from our community, have investigated these incidents and concluded that these Bedouin are in no way related to the Bedouins of Sharm el Sheikh, but are outsiders, not from our city. We have formed a committee consisting of Bedouins (living in Sharm) and residents to form a TEMPORARY security group to protect us and tourist installations until regular police force is present again in Sharm."
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Ooh... Wouldn't like to be them if the local Bedouin do catch them...
Why no police? There are police further up the coast...
I dunno. Little accidental fires and oopsie, evidence all gone... Religious clashes... Didn't think there was any great threat against the police in Sinai? Compared to the rest of the country, I mean. Why have they been pulled off the street? When Mubarak was still in there was a very visible police and army presence (check points attended by both) to try to make the tourists feel safe.
Something smells off.
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I'm a bit dubious about 'community policing'. Don't imagine it's going to be like the friendly copper who knows everyone etc. This is how you end up with sectarian, or tribal militias, answerable to themselves and with little or no real grasp of the law. It was ok in the early days of the revolution, when people were protecting their neighbourhood, just a threat of armed response, and probably worked. I know Bedouins keep an eye on their own districts, and 'control' crime, but I've seen them chasing suspects with machetes too, not a really safe system. at least in these cases, they would haul the perps off to the police station. Maybe we'll just have to forgive and forget, re the police, and if they clean their own house, [they know who abused and who didn't]just move on.
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مسيرات تأييد كبيرة بعرض البلاد وطولها تطالب بمبارك رئيسا لمصر مدى الحياة.. Marches in support of a large display of the country and length of calls Mubarak President of Egypt for life .. مجلس الشعب يستجيب لإرادة الشعب ويمرر المادة (أم ٤٤) التى تجعل مبارك رئيسا «مش» مدى حياته هوّ.. People's Council responds to the will of the people and pass the article (or 44) that make President Mubarak «I do» how life is .. لأ مدى حياة مصر. No, over the life of Egypt.
القبض على بتوع التحرير بتهمة محاولة قلب نظم الحكم، ويتم الحكم عليهم وهم فى سيارة الترحيلات بالإعدام.. Ptua arrested on charges of attempting to overthrow the editorial systems of government, they are sentenced to death in a car deportations .. استغاثات يستجيب لها الرئيس فيخفف الحكم إلى مؤبد وسط عاصفة من التهليل لرقة قلبه، بعدها يتم العثور على جثث المتظاهرين، والعادلى يقول إنهم ماتوا من الفرحة. Call for Help responds to the President eases the sentence to life sentence in a storm of paper to cheer his heart, then found the bodies of the demonstrators, and Interior Minister says they died of joy. تغيير لقب تامر حسنى من «نجم الجيل» إلى «عم الجيل»، والرئاسة تنتج بالاشتراك مع السبكى فيلم طلعت زكريا الجديد «ريس الطباخين».. Change the title of Tamer Hosny «generation» to «with generation», and the presidency, produced in collaboration with Sobkey Talaat Zakaria's new movie «Reese cooks» .. نجاح سماح أنور فى انتخابات مجلس الشعب عن دائرة الدقى، وأمن الدولة يمرر للصحف القومية الملفات التى تثبت أن البرادعى حول فيلته إلى معصرة للنبيذ، وأن إبراهيم عيسى تاجر آثار، وأن زويل المستشار العلمى لتنظيم جيش الإسلام الفلسطينى، وأن وائل غنيم هو «اللى حدف الطوبة بتاعت ماتش زيمبابوى»، وأن شباب ٦ أبريل سبق أن وردت أسماؤهم فى قضية عبدة الشيطان، وأن التحرش الجنسى الجماعى الذى حدث فى العيد الكبير كان تحت قيادة شباب «كفاية»، وأن سمير عمر مراسل الجزيرة هو «اللى أخد رشوة المرسيدس»، وأن علاء الأسوانى هو المؤلف الحقيقى لفيلم «بون سواريه». Success allow Anwar in the People's Assembly elections by the Department of Dokki, and state security passes for newspapers national files that prove that ElBaradei on his villa to the presses for wine, and Ibrahim Issa, an antiquities dealer, and Zewail, Scientific Adviser to the organization of the Army of Islam Palestinian, and Wael Ghoneim is «Elly Hdv Brick Btaat Match Zimbabwe », and the April 6 youth that had been named in the case of Satanists, and that sexual harassment of the mass, which occurred in the great feast was under the leadership of Youth« adequacy », and Samir Omar Al-Jazeera correspondent is« saree, take your bribe Mercedes », and Ala Al Aswany is the real author of the film «Bonn Swareah».
إعلان السويس محمية طبيعية وتهجير كل سكانها إلى عزبة الكيلو «أربعة ونص»، فى الوقت نفسه يتم إعلان «نزلة السمان» منطقة حرة، والعملة المتداولة بها هى الدولار والسماح لسكانها بإقامة سباق دولى للجمال والبغال. Declaration Suez nature reserve and the displacement of population to each estate Kilo «The text of four», at the same time will be announced «bad fat» free zone, and currency is the dollar and allow the population of the establishment of an international race for beauty and mules.
أحمد عز يأمر بإعدام كل أعضاء فرقة طيبة الموسيقية وعلى رأسهم حسين الإمام، ويفوز بمناقصة لتحويل ميدان التحرير إلى أكبر ورشة خراطة فى الشرق الأوسط، ويقود حملة لتغيير السلام الوطنى من «بلادى بلادى» إلى «سيخى طوله كام»، العادلى يقترح تحويل يوم ٢٥ يناير إلى «العيد القومى للبرنس» وسيتم إجبار الشعب فيه على النزول للشارع بالبرنس البمبى (بالنسبة للإناث) والأبيض بالنسبة للزملكاوية. Ahmed Ezz, ordering the execution of all members of the Task good music and on top of Imam Hussein, and wins a tender to convert Tahrir Square to the largest and Turner Workshop in the Middle East, spearheading a campaign to change the Palestinian National Anthem of «my» to «Sikh length cam», Adli is proposed to convert on 25 January to the «National Day of the Prince» and it will force the people to get off the street Balbrns Alpmby (for females) and white for Zmlkkawip.
إلغاء العمل بـ«قانون الطوارئ» على أن يتم العمل بـ«الطوارئ» دون قانون، ويتم افتتاح أمانة جديدة داخل الحزب الوطنى اسمها «أمانة البلطجة» تهدف إلى الاستفادة من خبرات بلطجية مصر فى دعم الحزب وتسند الأمانة إلى «سيد زرجينة»، بعد يومين يتم العثور على سيد زرجينة مذبوحا فى فيلا بـ«مدينتى» ويتم إسناد الأمانة إلى «حمادة كُخة»، أول اقتراحات «كُخة» هو منح وسام الجمهورية للخواجة «كنتاكى» وتكريم مخترع «الترامادول». Abolition of the b «emergency law» that the work is b «emergency» without law, and is opening a new secretariat within the National Party, called «the secretariat of bullying» aims to benefit from the experiences of thugs Egypt in support of the party and entrusted the Secretariat to the «master Zrgenp», two days after found Mr. Zrgenp slaughtered in Villa b «cities» and is assigned to the Secretariat «Hamada Kkp», the first proposals «Kkp» is to give the Order of the Republic of Khawaja «Kentucky» and honor the inventor of the «Tramadol».
تقنين العمل على الفيس بوك بحيث يكون متاحا ٣ أيام أسبوعيا من الثالثة فجرا حتى موعد أذان الفجر، مع تقديم موعد أذان الفجر ليصبح فى الثالثة والربع، ويتم إلزام كل مواطن بإيداع نسخة من باس وورد البروفايل بتاعه فى إدارة مباحث الديجيتال، ويحظر إقامة أى جروب إلا بموافقة المجلس الأعلى للصحافة، ويعاقب بالجلد كل من يثبت امتلاكه حسابا على تويتر، ويحظر مونتاج أو إذاعة أى كليبات على اليوتيوب إلا بموافقة أنس الفقى. Codification work on Facebook, so it is available 3 days a week from three in the morning until Fajr, and provide the date Fajr azan to become the third quarter, and are bound by every citizen of the deposit of a copy of the bass and reportedly profile Dominos in the Investigation Department digitalis, and prohibits the establishment of any group except with the consent of the Supreme Press Council, and is punishable by flogging prove possession of an account on Twitter, and prohibits editing or broadcast any clips on YouTube without the consent of Anas el-Feki.
تبدأ ولاية مبارك الجديدة، وأمناء الشرطة يقيمون استعراضا بهذه المناسبة يطلقون خلاله كميات من الرصاص المطاطى والقنابل المسيلة للدموع فيقع معظمهم صرعى ومبارك يحتسبهم من الشهداء. Mubarak begins new mandate, and the Trustees of the Police live review of this which call the appropriate amounts of rubber bullets and tear gas is located mostly lying dead and Mubarak Ihtsabhm of martyrs.
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He's basically fear-mongering. According to him, police officers are great, honorable and we're all proud of them! The most corrupt agency in Egypt is now honorable Fucking people, I think we're better off with no government at all if that's all we can get for ministers.
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ألقت قوات من الشرطة والقوات المسلحة مساء اليوم الجمعة، القبض على نائبي الحزب الوطني عبد الناصر الجابري ويوسف خطاب بتهمة التحريض على الإعتداء على المتظاهرين في ميدان التحرير بالجمال والخيول في الثاني من فبراير الماضي فيما عرف بـ”موقعة الجمل”.
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quote:Originally posted by Shanta Gdeeda: Interesting interview with Tahani al-Gebali, Egypt’s first female judge and vice president of the Supreme Constitutional Court and why she will be saying 'no' in the referendum on March 19th and how she thinks things should be handled over the next few months.
And she wasn't appointed to the constitutional committee.
What she is refering to is "reactivating the constitution", hence she is pushing for continued emergency law.
Here's a few excerpts:
"What if the new constitution cancels the Shura Council later on? We will have to get rid of it then. So we will be canceling the council after candidates had spent millions and killed themselves to garner seats."
"I am for electing a president after six months according to a temporary constitutional declaration. In this declaration, we can make it compulsory for the new president to call for a national association elected by the people to draft a new constitution within another six months."
"What if the upcoming parliament is dominated by a limited number of forces and fails to accommodate other existing segments? And this might happen. When we asked the commission how the parliament is going to elect this 100-member association, we did not get a clear answer. Would the association members be elected from the parliament itself or from outside the parliament? The answer was not clear, however, constitutional articles have to be very precise."
She is very concerned about a freely elected parliment that the NDP doesn't sign off on having a say in the new constitution. She wants a parliment granted by the NDP to have the final say in the constitution. Meaning business as usual.
This judge was appointed, she wasn't elected. I wouldn't doubt the NDP chocked off all female judicial candidates in the elections just so they can appoint a stoodge.
Makes me think of the Minister of Family and Population. How this female minister put all blame on Egypt's population on the Egyptian women ignoring the fact that Egypt's 2.6 child per woman quota is very similar to the USA's 2.4 child per woman quota.
There are times when a woman who is pushed through by the NDP to show the west that the only way a woman can take a top level government position is by the NDP putting her there is the worst choice possible.
And to prove her stoodge position this question was sent her way:
"Al-Masry: How would you assess the status of women’s rights during Mubarak’s 30-year rule? "
Her response:
"Over the last 30 years, women’s rights were codified in laws and in the constitution, but were not enjoined in reality. This was the main challenge facing women during the last 30 years."
Problem was the NDP made sure bureaucracy was so corrupt no woman or man had their rights.
The reality became that when young men cannot become functional adults because their opportunities are stalled due to widespread corruption it creates a massive void and resentment between the genders.
Al-Gebali ignores this completely. She puts the wrath of societal segregation on the shoulders of the people instead of issuing any fault on government corruption.
Just like the Minister of Family and Population.
Again Al-Gebali wasn't appointed to the constitutional ammendment committe not because she's a woman, but because she is an NDP insider. Sour grapes all around.
Sorry Shanta this isn't against you, I just can't stand this woman. Can't stand Al-Gebali at all. I've heard alot about her that isn't becoming that hasn't been discussed in Egyptian media.
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Egyptians abroad participated in the revolution .. ويجب أن يشاركوا في التصويت Must participate in the voting
كلف الدكتور ماجد عثمان وزير الاتصالات وتكنولوجيا المعلومات المهندس ياسر القاضي الرئيس التنفيذي لهيئة تنمية صناعة تكنولوجيا المعلومات "ايتيدا" ببدء حوار مع منظمات الأعمال والمجتمع المدني العاملة في مجال تكنولوجيا المعلومات وكافة المهتمين لدراسة مدي إمكانية الاستفادة من قانون التوقيع الالكتروني وتطبيقاته وأدواته في تمكين الناخبين المصريين من التصويت في الانتخابات الرئاسية القادمة كخطوة تهدف إلى التفاعل مع المصريين باستخدام التكنولوجيا التي أسهمت في تغير ايجابي حقيقي للمجتمع المصري وتوسيع قاعدة المشاركة في الانتخابات. Commissioned Dr. Majid Osman, Minister of Communications and Information Technology Engineer Yasser Judge Chief Executive Officer of Information Technology Industry Development "ITIDA" to initiate a dialogue with business organizations and civil society working in the field of information technology and all those interested to study the possibility of using of the law of electronic signature and its applications and tools to empower voters Egyptians vote in the upcoming presidential election as a step designed to interact with the Egyptians, using technology that contributed to the real positive change in the Egyptian society and broaden the base of participation in the elections.
ودعت الهيئة إلى هذا الحوار الذي شارك فيه – على مدار جلستين عقدتا الأسبوع الجاري وكان ثانيها أمس – ممثلي شركات التوقيع الالكتروني وممثلي منظمات المجتمع المدني والأعمال المتخصصة في تكنولوجيا المعلومات وخبراء قانونيين ومتخصصين. The SBSTA invited to this dialogue in which - over the two meetings held this week and was second yesterday - representatives of companies that the electronic signature and the representatives of civil society organizations and the business specialized in information technology and legal experts and specialists. واتسمت الجلستان بادراك واضح لأهمية الحوار ودور كل الأطراف في المشاركة الايجابية لصياغة مستقبل مصر ودور قطاع تكنولوجيا المعلومات المهم في هذه الصياغة انطلاقا من مسئوليته إزاء خدمة المجتمع المصري. The meetings marked a clear realization of the importance of dialogue and the role of all parties to participate in the positive shaping the future of Egypt and the role of the information technology sector is important in this formulation from the responsibility for the service of Egyptian society. واستهل المهندس ياسر القاضي الاجتماع الأول مؤكدا على أن الهدف الأساسي هو زيادة قاعدة المشاركة الديمقراطية الفاعلة بشكل يتسم بالنزاهة والشفافية. Yasser initiated the first meeting of the judge stressed that the main objective is to increase the base of participation in a functioning democracy in a fair and transparent.
وقال أن النتيجة النهائية للحوار ستتمثل في الوصول إلى أكثر الوسائل والتطبيقات التقنية دقة وأمنا لإتاحة خيار التصويت الالكتروني داخل مقار الانتخاب، ودراسة كيفية توفيره للناخب المقيم بمصر وخارجها. He said that the final outcome of the dialogue will be access to more tools and applications, technical accuracy and safer option to allow electronic voting in the election headquarters, and examine how available to the voters resident in Egypt and abroad. وأشار إلى أن إتاحة هذه الوسائل التقنية لن تقتصر على الناخب وإنما ستمتد إلى القضاة المشرفين على اللجان الانتخابية بما يتيح لهم ممارسة عملهم الإشرافي في العملية الانتخابية. He pointed out that the availability of such technical means will not be limited to the voter, but will extend to judges supervising the election commissions, allowing them to exercise their supervisory role in the electoral process.
وأوضح المهندس ياسر القاضي أن ثورة 25 يناير منحت مصر فرصة ذهبية لتفاعل أوسع نطاقا واشمل تأثيرا مع تكنولوجيا المعلومات وأدواتها، كما فرضت واقعا جديدا يحتم زيادة الاعتماد على تكنولوجيا المعلومات في الوصول إلى المواطن وتحقيق تطلعاته من جانب، وتعزيز دور القطاع وشركاته وتفعيل إسهاماتهم المجتمعية من جانب أخر. The Engineer Yasser judge Revolution January 25 gave Egypt a golden opportunity for the interaction of a broader and more comprehensive impact with information technology and tools, also imposed a new reality requires a greater reliance on information technology in the access to the citizen and to achieve their aspirations on the part of, and strengthen the role of the sector and its companies and activate their contributions to community by another. وأضاف أن هذه الثورة ستنعكس بشكل ايجابي على مجتمع تكنولوجيا المعلومات المصري بنفس الدرجة التي ستؤثر بها على المجتمع المصري ككل.واتفق المشاركون في الجلسة الأولى على ضرورة دراسة مختلف الوسائل والحلول التقنية بشكل واع ومسئول للوقوف على انسب هذه الوسائل وأكثرها دقة وأمنا في عملية تمكين المواطنين من الإدلاء بأصواتهم. He added that this revolution will be reflected positively on society Information Technology Egyptian in the same class, which will affect the Egyptian society as a whole. The participants agreed at the first meeting on the need to study various methods and technical solutions are conscious and responsible to determine the most appropriate means and the most accurate and secure in the process of enabling citizens to cast their ballots.
وشدد المهندس ياسر القاضي على أن الأسبوعين المقبلين سيشهدان دعوة الهيئة لمختلف الأطياف الفنية، والقانونية، والمجتمعية، والإعلامية لحوار مفتوح حول خيار التصويت الالكتروني بما يسمح بتطبيقه خلال الانتخابات الرئاسية المقبلة، على أن يتم بعد ذلك رفع تقرير نهائي للدكتور ماجد عثمان وزير الاتصالات وتكنولوجيا المعلومات لاطلاع الجهات المعنية على نتائجه وما تم التوصل اليه. He stressed Yasser judge that the next two weeks will witness shall invite the various spectra technical, legal, societal, and media for an open dialogue about the option of electronic voting to allow its application during the next presidential election, that is then a final report to Dr. Maged Osman, Minister of Communications and Information Technology to brief stakeholders on the results of what has been reached. وبدا من خلال مناقشات الجلستين أن هناك وعيا والتزاما شديدا بضرورة إتاحة خيار التصويت الالكتروني للمصريين داخليا وللمغتربين مع التأكيد على حتمية تميز هذا الخيار بعناصر الأمان الواجب توافرها وهو ما ستضمنه هيئة تنمية صناعة تكنولوجيا المعلومات بحكم القانون باعتبارها الجهة الوحيدة المنوط بها تنظيم عملية التوقيع الالكتروني. And looked through the discussions at the meetings that there is awareness and a strong commitment to the need to allow the option of electronic voting for the Egyptians internally and overseas, with an emphasis on the inevitability of distinction this option elements of security that must be met, which Stdmenh the Information Technology Industry Development by law as the only body entrusted with the organization of the electronic signature process.
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It’s a lovely day to be talking to you all in a Mubarak and NDP free Egypt. It’s been quite the undertaking, and many people were terrified, injured or killed, but we somehow managed to do it. Congratulations on that to all of us. Pats on the back, everybody!
Naturally, we (the revolutionaries) still don’t think the battle is over. The Mubaraks are still free, so are Fathy Surrour, Zakaria Aazmy and Safwat ElSherief, alongside with all the corrupt NDP officials in all branches of government, not to mention all the state security and police officers who spent the last 3 decades terrorizing, monitoring, torturing & killing those they were supposed to protect. The Political prisoners and detained Jan25 protesters are still unlawfully in prison, the stolen money is still in foreign countries, and the Minimum wage of 200 dollars a month for all Egyptians is still not enforced. There is also the matter of transparency of the government (financially & operationally and having the country run by civilians instead of a military Junta, a new constitution to be drafted instead of one that gives absolute power to the head of state, political freedoms to all Egyptians, enforceable bill of rights to all Egyptians, equal rights to all women, equal political rights to Egyptians living abroad and/ or born or married to a foreigner, freedom of the media, etc..etc.. I don’t want to bore you, but, yep, lots of work is yet to be done, and it’s taking far too long by those in charge to get done, which is making us unhappy. And Unhappy protesters usually protest. It’s just a fact of life.
But we are hearing that some of you are unhappy with all this protesting. We are hearing that you think we are kids with no purpose or jobs, who are currently destroying the country and the economy by all of our protesting and demands. We are hearing that you just want stability & security, and that we are not listening to all of you or your concerns and that we are no different than the dictator we just toppled. Please be assured, this is not the case here, because you are our people, and your concerns are the same as our concerns. We must admit that we are surprised by such accusations, & some of us are not taking it well, while others don’t have time to respond because, let’s face it, trying to find out whether your friends are killed or not, and trying to free them from being court-martialed in the new democratic Egypt, all the while addressing a the new referendum, and the issue of Copts getting murdered, churches being burned and such other sectarian strife issues that plague us, well, it could become a consuming full-time job. Our sin might be that we are so used to fighting those small (in your opinion) battles that we are not focusing enough on explaining our point of view to you and how we are on the same side. For that we apologize and we hope you forgive us. Now, on to your concerns.
You are concerned about the lagging state of the economy and the losses that were caused by the revolution and all of our protests, and you just want everybody back to work, without asking yourself how is it that our economy was so weak that all it took to destroy it was less than two months of protests, while a country like France has nation-wide protests all the time, and their economy isn’t collapsing because of it. You are also forgetting that that the other main causes of the lag in economy is the complete & total corruption in all government institutions (state, municipal & local), the military curfew that’s completely destroying our logistical operations and Tourism, the absence of Security (more on that later), and the total confusion of (the many many many) foreign investors- who want to come to Egypt now and invest- in regards to who they could talk to in order to come here and invest, given that the civilian government has no power and the military council isn’t exactly approachable.
You are concerned about the thugs attacking and robbing you of your property & demanding the return of the police & security, but you are forgetting that the police (who acted no different than the thugs except having a shiny uniform) used to rob you every single day. And about those thugs who are terrorizing you, who let them out of their prisons in the first place and then refused to arrest them? Oh yes, I remember, the Police. Silly us for demanding that they get held accountable for their actions. We should beg them daily- like you- to come back to work unconditionally after they betrayed their oath to protect us & put us all in grave danger. Our bad.
You are concerned about your kids getting killed by thugs (who, again, reminder, are unleashed by the police), but you were not concerned that they were getting killed daily by the polluted water, the poisoned meats & fruits & vegetables, the completely unsafe roads & public transportation options, the complete and utter catastrophe that is health-care and Egyptian public hospitals, where far more people die than get better and where any Egyptian would rather not step a foot inside if they can afford to go to a private Hospital (which isn’t always incredibly better). Lest we forgot, even the grandson of our former President died in one of them. But yes, the thugs are the problem. Our bad.
You are concerned that the Islamists are going to take over the country and turn it into Afghanistan, and yet don’t seem concerned with taking concrete steps to ensure that this won’t happen without impeding their rights. A good way to do so is to demand the overhaul of the Egyptian education system, the end of bigotry & discrimination against minorities in all job positions (private or public), the removal of hate-inciting Imams or Priests from Mosques and Churches, and in case all of the aforementioned are too much for you to handle, you could simply stand for religious freedom and equal rights to all in Egypt, especially Egypt’s Christians, who in case you didn’t hear are getting attacked and their churches are getting burned and you don’t seem to care. We would recommend you take a small visit to the Maspiro protest and talk to “those people” and understand the issues at hand, but we also should understand that this would take some time from your busy schedule of complaining about us ruining everything. Our bad.
We get it. We see how we are irresponsible. How we are ruining the country. How we are not concerned about you. We are evil. A cancer that plagued this fine and healthy nation. 25 Khasayer. You are right not to like us. You are right to hold protests against protesting and only 500 of you would show up on a Friday and then claim you are talking in the name of the silent majority. Those millions of us who went down to support those demands are only from every social class and religious background and from both genders. We are in no way representative, especially that the majority of people in Tahrir right now are now the poorest of all the protesters, who are told to go home & live on 20 dollars a month salary until we figure all of this out in 6 month to a year, and all of your Korba Festival buddies are too busy to go there anymore. You want the ones who are still there to go home and leave u alone. After all the ones in Tahrir now are poor. They smell. Can’t have that! Egyptian people are not smelly or poor, of course. Shame on them for defaming us all.
So, since we are such a public menace and refuse to listen to reason, I have a proposal to all of you that will surely make you happy: How about we take all those people who took part in the revolution and supported it, and give them a piece of land in Egypt to create their own failed state on? Maybe somewhere in Sinai, on the beach, say Sharm el Sheikh for example? Yes, give us Sharm and some backland and leave us there, so you can continue living your lives in Peace and stability. We will give you back the Mubarak Family (we are not big fans) and we recommend you give us all those people you don’t like in return: you know those annoying minorities, like the Copts, the Bahaai’s , the Shia, the jews, the Nubians even. Yes, get rid of the races you dislike as well. We will take them all. We will even divide the people up fair and square and ensure that none of us remain with any of you. Ok? Let’s start right now.
You can have Ahmed Shafiq as your Prime Minister and we will take Essam Sharaf as ours.
You can have the NDP and its officials and we will have all the new political parties that are starting up all over the place.
You can have Aamr Moussa as your ideal Diplomat; we will take Mohamed ElBaradei as ours.
You can have Zaghloul elNaggar as your top Scientist; we will take Ahmed Zuweill.
You can have Alaa Mubarak, Ahmed Ezz, Mohamed Abu Elenein, ElMaghraby as your businessmen, and we will take Naguib Sawiris and the Bisharas and all the other businessmen in Egypt who want to run legitimate businesses without unnecessary bureaucracy and bribing 18 different entities to open and continue to run one.
You can Have Adel Emam, Yosra and Samah Aanwar, we will take Khaled Abulnaga , Basma and Yousra Ellouzy.
You can have Tamer Hosny and Mohamed Fouad, we will take Mohamed Mounir, Mariam Aly and Ramy Essam (and we will make sure no one tortures him while he is in their custody).
You can have Farouk Hosny, and we will take the artists that the revolution brought out.
You can have the Supreme Military Council meet your demands on their schedule and discretion; we will take the Revolution Trustee Council any day of the week.
You can have a country where women suffer from oppression, sexual assaults, genital mutilation and honor killing, we will have a country where women are in all positions of power, sexual harassment and FGM absolutely not tolerated, and where one gender doesn’t see that it has the right- in the name of honor- to oppress , beat and violently murder the other gender. We won’t tolerate that happening to our women; you can do with yours what you please.
You can keep a constitution that got amended so much in the past 7 years and still discriminates against many Egyptians and gives the President absolute Power, and we will have one that ensures the rights and equality of all of our citizens (no matterwhere their parents come from or whom they marry) and where there are checks and balances against executive Power.
You can keep an economy that is plagued with inefficiency, corruption, poverty and Monopoly. We will have one where entrepreneurship is encouraged and supported, our country open to all investments, and our workers are guaranteed a living wage.
You can keep a public school system in shambles and half of the population being illiterate, and be forced to pay for public schools and private tutoring for your children. We will have public schools that are well funded and teachers who are well-trained and well paid.
You can have your healthcare system being a complete and total fiasco where apathy and complete lack of concern for the patients’ well-being is what defines it, while our public Hospitals will be properly funded and staffed and those who due to negligence harm or kill a patient will be held accountable.
You can have a country where people believe that being civilized is to go for one day and clean Tahrir Square up, while we will believe that true civilization is ensuring that our government cleans our street up and as for us, well, we just won’t litter.
You can have Your Internal Security services spying on you, arresting you indefinitely, collaborating with terrorists to attack your churches (if you will continue to have any) torturing and/or kill you, and your Police to bully you and blackmail you. Our internal security service won’t do that to us and our Police will protect us, will uphold the law, and, god forbid, reduce crime and put criminals in jail instead of letting them out.
You can have an Army that dictates orders to you; we will have an army that obeys us.
As you can see, what we are asking for is totally unrealistic and we are completely dedicated to destroying ourselves. If we are truly such a problem, we urge you to help us make that happen, so we can get out of your hair as soon as possible.
But if you are insane and unreasonable like the rest of us, please join us and help us. We don’t want our own state, we want to do this here. We want our Country, Egypt, to be the best country it can be. One where we all can live and co-exist; one where the state is healthy and functions and all are represented and have rights. That’s what we always wanted and called for, and we don’t know when that message stopped being clear to you.
We are not saints. We make mistakes and we are not above criticism of any kind. You have the right not to help rebuild the country, and you have the right to criticize those who are trying to do it, but you don’t have the right not to help and only criticize that things aren’t exactly to your liking. If you don’t like something, change it. That was the lesson of the Jan25 revolution after all, you know?
So please, if you agree with our vision, join us, and if you can’t, simply defend us. We have achieved so much, that it would be a sin to stop now.
Hell I won't read them. Just post the headline and provide a link. Anyone interested will look further.
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Egypt Military considers postponing constitutional referendum, hold presidential elections first
Well informed sources have confirmed that there is a strong trend within the Supreme Council of the Armed Forces to hold back the constitutional amendment referendum planned for 19 March, after a number of prominent political voices positioned themselves to vote against the amendments. Commenting on this, a source from the Supreme Council said: “Our eyes are on the opinion of the street and the existing political forces in the interest of the country, and if this is the trend among the people, then there is no problem in delaying the referendum." He went on to add, however, "the Supreme Military Council wants to bring an end to its role in governance as soon as possible.”
A government source, who met with the military council to discuss parliamentary and presidency elections, told Ahram Online that “the council is now leaning, though as yet undecided, towards holding the presidential election first, before parliamentary elections, and that the president would take his oath of office before the head of the supreme constitutional court." The elected president, the source said, would then invite a Constituent Assembly to formulate a new Constitution, which in turn would be put to a referendum ahead of parliamentary elections. The source went on to point out that this position came out of a meeting between the military council and the prime minister.
In a poll conducted by the Egyptian cabinet's Information Support Center on Saturday, 59 per cent said they would reject the amendments. Commenting on this, the military source said that he expected more of these polls to resolve the issue finally in the next few days.
In a similar vein, Judge Hossam Mekawy, head of the South Cairo Court and one of the most prominent representatives of the Judicial Independence trend, told Ahram Online “the military council has one eye on the situation in the street and another on the opinion makers among the political and intellectual elite.”
Mekawy pointed out that a vote on the constitutional amendments introduced by a specially constituted committee would, in fact, prove faulty in legal terms. Such a referendum had no legal basis in the 1971 Constitution, which the military had suspended, but which would be revived in the event the amendments were approved by popular referendum, creating a legally anomalous situation. Furthermore, he pointed out, the amendments do not touch on the seeping presidential powers which the 1971 constitution grants the president, and there is no guarantee that a president elected in accordance with that constitution will want to relinquish such powers.
He continued, “there are more problems for the military council studying the process of holding a referendum and elections as the military council are not covered by any article in the 1971 Constitution. The term ‘suspension of the Constitution’ is a legal anomaly and the problem remains that the military council does not have the right to either call presidential or parliamentary elections or name a committee before the Constitution falls completely.”
Mekawy added that, in fact, "the military council overthrew the president, for there is no constitutional or legally binding text that says the president can hand over his powers to the military, which underlines that he was forced to do so.”
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أعلن ائتلاف شباب الثورة، في بيان له على صفحته على فيسبوك اليوم الاثنين، أنه رفض دعوة للقاء هيلاري كلينتون أثناء زيارتها للقاهرة.
هذاالاسبوع.وذكر البيان أنه: انطلاقا من حرص الائتلاف على العمل بوضوح مع جماهير الثورة يعلن الائتلاف انه تمت دعوة اعضاء من الائتلاف للقاء وزيرة الخارجية الاميركية هيلارى كلينتون وبناء على موقفها السلبي من الثورة فى بدايتها ومواقف الادارة الاميركية فى المنطقة فقد تم رفض هذه الدعوة. ولم يضف البيان اي ايضاحات اخرى.
ومن المقرر أن تقوم كلينتون بزيارة لمصر هذا الاسبوع في اطار جولة تقودها كذلك إلى تونس.
وهذا الموقف من وزيرة الخارجية لأنها كانت تدعم النظام وقالت في بداية الثورة ان النظام في مصر مستقر.
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quote:Originally posted by this: In a poll conducted by the Egyptian cabinet's Information Support Center on Saturday, 59 per cent said they would reject the amendments.
I'm VERY interested to know how representative this poll was. Did they include Upper Egyptian villages and city slums?
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quote:Originally posted by this: In a poll conducted by the Egyptian cabinet's Information Support Center on Saturday, 59 per cent said they would reject the amendments.
I'm VERY interested to know how representative this poll was. Did they include Upper Egyptian villages and city slums?
I believe they were talking about the poll they had on their website. This week they have a different poll.
quote:Originally posted by this: John Kerry announced that the US froze Mubarak's assets their which amount to 31.5 Billions.
Share to care a link?????
Mind you the original article which was published by the Washington Post was removed.
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I think around 10% of Egyptians have internet access (but correct me if I'm wrong) and the number who found their way to the IDSC website would probably be... ???
OK, my educated guess... the referendum will get a majority yes vote but a large minority no vote.
There are already NDP party members giving out oil and sugar in the Ain Shams area to get a YES vote... !!
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A spokesman for Sen. John Kerry told the Washington Times that the senator misspoke Wednesday when he said the U.S. had frozen more than $30 billion of assets belonging to ousted Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak, according to the Washigton times website.
The spokesman for Senator Kerry said he mistakenly referred to Mr. Mubarak instead of Libyan dictator Moammar Gaddafi.
During a question-and-answer session after a speech Wednesday at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, an Egyptian reporter asked Mr. Kerry if the U.S. intended to honor the new Egyptian government’s request to freeze Mr. Mubarak’s assets, saying nothing had yet been done.
The chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee answered: “I understood we have frozen assets of President Mubarak, somewhere in the vicinity of $30 billion. And that includes properties in New York, properties in California, and bank assets, as well as in other parts of the world. But we ourselves — just us — have frozen $31.5 billion.”
The website of Sen.John Kerry, however, doesn't refer to the incident, while the Carnegie's Endowment website shows the video of the speech including the senator's reference to Mubarak's wealth freeze.
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It was the first time in my entire fvcking 60 + yrs. for me to ever see such an organised crowd of Egyptians patiently waiting in a queue to vote for anything.
I went past everyone (senior citizenship has finally paid me back), got some dirty looks from folks in their fifties who looked older than myself, some elderly folks were too old to climb up those idiotic stairs taking us to the polling hall, they were on crutches and volunteers (young tahrir-like ppl.) were helping them up and down again.
It was really quite an experience for all of us to be back to life.
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Absolutely disgusting. This guy hasn't done nothing wrong to his country or his people.
Some Egyptians just need to be kept on a fUcking leash.
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