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These Muslim Arab men look like they're planning something.
Meanwhile these Muslim Fulanis look so innocent and peaceful.
I have to say...Out of all Muslims. Muslim West Africans seem like the most peaceful. Posts: 1135 | From: Top secret | Registered: Jun 2012
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What Northern Indian ethnic group are you? May I ask...My mothers side is Tamil descent. They're recent migrates to Trinidad.
I don't know for sure since they apparently came around the turn of the 19th century. Although I do have photos that show my dad's uncles looking exactly like the Multani or Lobhana Jatts that own a lot of the gas stations where I live. They were very tall and handsone I might add.
On the other hand whomever came over obviously had Austric background and possibly some Hazara judging from my great grandmother and her sister's photos- they weren't exactly lookers and was very archaic looking at least to me. (Maybe I shouldn't say that.)
But anyway my grandmother and another of her uncle told me her Indian ancestors came from northwest India before it became Pakistan I guess or Punjab and that they were brought to South Africa as indentured before they arrived here stopping in England on the way. I guess they were among the first "Desis" in the U.S.
I was also told on my dad's father's side that there were also some people brought from the Caribbean as well very black but with straightish hair. I have a feeling they may have also have had some east Indian in them. I just heard about that line though recently. if I have any Dravidian or southern Indians ancestry it would be from that side.
As for that picture. I would say today it is less common for African Americans to look like that. Most of the Africans Americans you do see today like that are usually part Dominican or Hispanic. But I do see what your saying.
And definitely I do see a lot of Ethiopians that look Tamil and look at Susheela Raman. She is Dravidian and looks definitely Ethiopian. But i would say there are a lot more Ethiopians and Somali that look Indian rather than Indians looking like African Americans.
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What Northern Indian ethnic group are you? May I ask...My mothers side is Tamil descent. They're recent migrates to Trinidad.
I don't know for sure since they apparently came around the turn of the 19th century. Although I do have photos that show my dad's uncles looking exactly like the Multani or Lobhana Jatts that own a lot of the gas stations where I live. They were very tall and handsone I might add.
On the other hand whomever came over obviously had Austric background and possibly some Hazara judging from my great grandmother and her sister's photos- they weren't exactly lookers and was very archaic looking at least to me. (Maybe I shouldn't say that.)
But anyway my grandmother and another of her uncle told me her Indian ancestors came from northwest India before it became Pakistan I guess or Punjab and that they were brought to South Africa as indentured before they arrived here stopping in England on the way. I guess they were among the first "Desis" in the U.S.
I was also told on my dad's father's side that there were also some people brought from the Caribbean as well very black but with straightish hair. I have a feeling they may have also have had some east Indian in them. I just heard about that line though recently. if I have any Dravidian or southern Indians ancestry it would be from that side.
Interesting...Most of my family moved from southern India to Trinidad. My mothers side is of Tamil descent, but both her and I don't know much about that side.
Some Southern Indians like Tamils were brought to the Caribbean. So Dravidian people too.
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She definitely could fit in the Abyssinian category. NO?
I think they found out there are more East Indians listed in colonial records too then there were Native Americans. So that probably indicates that many south Indians were absorbed into the American populace beginning from at least the 1600s.
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quote:Originally posted by Son of Ra: These Muslim Arab men look like they're planning something.
Meanwhile these Muslim Fulanis look so innocent and peaceful.
I have to say...Out of all Muslims. Muslim West Africans seem like the most peaceful.
lol!This seems like big stereotyping, Son. In reality I don't make fun Arabs or really any people as an adult. Besides my son looks kind of Syrian so he has been mistaken for Middle Eastern at times. Do you know I hear a lot of people making fun of East Indians too and I don't like it truthfully.
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I know people make fun of East Indians and some times I use to get called terrorist in high school due to being mixed with Indian. Its just that I'm a really immature person.
That picture really does look like they're planning something.
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quote:Originally posted by dana marniche: BTW - don't be fooled. Fulani were known not long ago as the most warlike people in Africa. At least that's what the colonialists said.
I can't believe it. They look so innocent. Posts: 1135 | From: Top secret | Registered: Jun 2012
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I know people make fun of East Indians and some times I use to get called terrorist in high school due to being mixed with Indian. Its just that I'm a really immature person.
That picture really does look like they're planning something.
I think everyone is pretty immature on this site. lol! Especially me. I blame Zahi Hawass though. I think I get it from being around him in his lab. Now I can't help it sometimes, safe to say. Posts: 4226 | From: New Jersey, USA | Registered: Mar 2007
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I know people make fun of East Indians and some times I use to get called terrorist in high school due to being mixed with Indian. Its just that I'm a really immature person.
That picture really does look like they're planning something.
I think everyone is pretty immature on this site. lol! Especially me. I blame Zahi Hawass though. I think I get it from being around him. Now I can't help it sometimes, safe to say.
You use to hang around Zahi Hawass??? Posts: 1135 | From: Top secret | Registered: Jun 2012
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quote:Originally posted by Son of Ra: These Muslim Arab men look like they're planning something.
Anyway, to be serious I am sure they are just planning on how to teach their wives how to drive,- nothing special.
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I know people make fun of East Indians and some times I use to get called terrorist in high school due to being mixed with Indian. Its just that I'm a really immature person.
That picture really does look like they're planning something.
I think everyone is pretty immature on this site. lol! Especially me. I blame Zahi Hawass though. I think I get it from being around him. Now I can't help it sometimes, safe to say.
You use to hang around Zahi Hawass???
Yeah - he was a friend for a while but I used to help him translate French texts when he lived in the US and was getting his advanced degree at U of Penn. He was fun to be around though - even if he did make some embarrassing jokes about black Africans. Its a long story that I don't have time to get into.
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I know people make fun of East Indians and some times I use to get called terrorist in high school due to being mixed with Indian. Its just that I'm a really immature person.
That picture really does look like they're planning something.
I think everyone is pretty immature on this site. lol! Especially me. I blame Zahi Hawass though. I think I get it from being around him. Now I can't help it sometimes, safe to say.
You use to hang around Zahi Hawass???
Yeah - he was a friend for a while but I used to help him translate French texts when he lived in the US and was getting his advanced degree at U of Penn. He was fun to be around though - even if he did make some embarrassing jokes about black Africans. Its a long story that I don't have time to get into.
Wow...Just wow!
I notice people here on ES have connections to important people. SOme of these people being S.O.Y Keita.
Interesting.
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I know people make fun of East Indians and some times I use to get called terrorist in high school due to being mixed with Indian. Its just that I'm a really immature person.
That picture really does look like they're planning something.
I think everyone is pretty immature on this site. lol! Especially me. I blame Zahi Hawass though. I think I get it from being around him. Now I can't help it sometimes, safe to say.
You use to hang around Zahi Hawass???
Yeah - he was a friend for a while but I used to help him translate French texts when he lived in the US and was getting his advanced degree at U of Penn. He was fun to be around though - even if he did make some embarrassing jokes about black Africans. Its a long story that I don't have time to get into.
Wow...Just wow!
I notice people here on ES have connections to important people. SOme of these people being S.O.Y Keita.
Interesting.
lol! I used to talk to Keita when I was still at the University of Chicago some years ago. I sent him a bibliography about the hmaitic theory and used to argue with him about the northern Egyptian populations being black. At the time I think he was convinced narrow nose equalled non-black African because of his mentors, but I'm pretty sure he's come to modify a lot of his views now. He is one of the true black American scholars that one can rely on when it comes to African population biology. Along with Kittles and this guy Explorer whoever he is. Explorer may be white for all I know.
I also met Gamal Moktar through him God rest his soul - who unlike Zahi wasn't a bigot or prejudiced against black things and was pretty openminded - although he looked more Turkish then Zahi did. Posts: 4226 | From: New Jersey, USA | Registered: Mar 2007
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You seem to be well versed on the Moors and Berbers. Your post about the Moors were good. I don't know much about the Moors and I usually avoid debating about them, because to me their origins seem to complex compared to the Ancient Egyptians.
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What Northern Indian ethnic group are you? May I ask...My mothers side is Tamil descent. They're recent migrates to Trinidad.
The girl is of course a mulatto. Dravidian/Tamil girls look like this:
Mulattoes are particularly annoying and difficult, because they refuse to understand and acknowledge that they are NOT the "original" people. At best they are "Part" original people. Interestingly, they have no compunction about denigrating their Black side, which WAS the original people.
Mulattoes are particularly annoying and difficult, because they refuse to understand and acknowledge that they are NOT the "original" people. At best they are "Part" original people. Interestingly, they have no compunction about denigrating their Black side, which WAS the original people.
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Mike I made a thread about the above article, you made the below comment about this article -but now you are using it to make some kind of point ??? Where is your apology to me now that you're using this?
quote:Originally posted by Mike111: ^Congratulations Albinos, you have made your mulattoes just as measly-mouthed and stupid as yourselves. Doing studies to tell you what just looking around would means that the money must be flowing.
You seem to be well versed on the Moors and Berbers. Your post about the Moors were good. I don't know much about the Moors and I usually avoid debating about them, because to me their origins seem to complex compared to the Ancient Egyptians.
I know a lot about the Moors and Arabs because I researched them writing some articles for Dr. Van Sertima's Journal of African civilization. I remember pleading with him about putting out something on the Moors. i knew he was interested in the subject matter because he used to teach a course at Rutgers where he was mentioningg some things about it. That's how I know that the skeletons of the early Arabs or Arabians and rock art were up until the Bronze age very similar to those found in the Nile Valley and the Sahara. Unfortunately a lot of that material on the Arabians and ancient Asia was taken out by the co-editor who then proceeded to plagiarize some of what I wrote and put it in his own article. (Which I will unfortunately be angry at for the next few lifetimes - knowing me.) Most of that research was done for a thesis at the University of Chicago and under the counsel of the head of the American Anthropological at the time, Dr. Jane Buikstra. I had also learned something of the Upper Nile valley through independent study there with Bruce Williams who had looked into Ta Seti. I have conversed and met with many people involved in this subject so i know something about what I am speaking of although I may like to joke.
That is why believe me when i say genetics is irrelevent when you don't know the historical movements that have gone on I'm just speaking from the point of view other specializations that are equally as important. one thing is certain if the ancient Arabs were NOT black than NEITHER WERE were the Ethiopians and ancient Egyptians and Saharans who were identical populations on both sides of the Red Sea. That is a major reason why I write about it. People have to understand Arabia, east Africa and even regions further north and east were at one time populated by related peoples. At no time will genetics ever be able to rule this out unless dna from those ancient peoples or their skeletons is analyzed. Posting haplotype studies and pictures of modern people who are Arabs only by nationality, language or because they have just some mild amount of ancestry from these ancient groups does not address the issue of who ancient Arabians i.e. the Sabaeans and their later black descendants in the Muslim period the non-Syrian Arabs i.e."Moorish Arabs" were related to.
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[/QB][/QUOTE] That word Middle Easterner in the article is rather vague. Hmmm... I wonder what they could possibly mean.
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quote:Originally posted by Son of Ra: What Northern Indian ethnic group are you? May I ask...My mothers side is Tamil descent. They're recent migrates to Trinidad.
What do you mean by recent?
Trinidad Wiki
Spanish rule over the island, which nominally began in 1498, ended when the final Spanish Royal Governor, Don José Maria Chacón surrendered the island to a British fleet of 18 warships under the command of Sir Ralph Abercromby on 18 February 1797.
In August, 1816, seven hundred former Black slaves from the US South, who had escaped to the British lines during the War of 1812 and been recruited into the Royal Marines, were rewarded for their service to the British Crown during the war by being granted land on Trinidad and Tobago. These ex-marines reportedly organised themselves in villages along the lines of the military companies in which they had fought.
To deal with the problem of "shortage of labor", Trinidad and Tobago planters compensated for the loss of their slaves by importing workers from the 1830s until 1917. Initially, Chinese, free West Africans, and Portuguese from the island of Madeira were imported. They were replaced by indentured servants from India who arrived on 30 May 1845. In addition, large numbers of ex-slaves migrated from the Lesser Antilles to Trinidad and Tobago.
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Son Of Ra I have met many Sri Lankans they do in fact self Id as Blacks although non claimed to be African, Africans and their descendants do not have a monopoly on the term Black as self identification ancient or modern.
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quote:Originally posted by dana marniche: That word Middle Easterner in the article is rather vague. Hmmm... I wonder what they could possibly mean.
I don't see the confusion:
The Aryans were Central Asians, Modern Europeans are Central Asians, modern middle easterners are Central Asian (mostly Turkic) and native peoples Mulattoes. The line is consistent.
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But we do know that negro and sub-Saharan has scientific value for you and other Neanderdumbs and for that matter Howell and some other "scholars", just as "albino" has scientific value for Michael. Posts: 4226 | From: New Jersey, USA | Registered: Mar 2007
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quote:Originally posted by dana marniche: That word Middle Easterner in the article is rather vague. Hmmm... I wonder what they could possibly mean.
I don't see the confusion:
The Aryans were Central Asians, Modern Europeans are Central Asians, modern middle easterners are Central Asian (mostly Turkic) and native peoples Mulattoes. The line is consistent.
And therein lies the resolution mulatto. Which in my mind means various combinations of Eurasian and Afro-Asiatic, i.e. the Middleasterner.
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quote:Originally posted by Brada-Anansi: Son Of Ra I have met many Sri Lankans they do in fact self Id as Blacks although non claimed to be African, Africans and their descendants do not have a monopoly on the term Black as self identification ancient or modern.
Personally I do know and it is obvious that millions of Tamil people living in Asia have claimed and do claim to have remote African origins and strong African connections especially the ones that follow the Tamil tigers. All you have to do is look at some of the early Tamil and revolutionary writings. And, half the time they were not even the dark skinned ones.
That is why Runoko Rashidi became so popular there. Posts: 4226 | From: New Jersey, USA | Registered: Mar 2007
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Mike I'm still waiting for that imaginary National Museum of Yemen website you visited
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quote:Personally I do know and it is obvious that millions of Tamil people living in Asia have claimed and do claim to have remote African origins and strong African connections especially the ones that follow the Tamil tigers. All you have to do is look at some of the early Tamil and revolutionary writings. And, half the time they were not even the dark skinned ones. That is why Runoko Rashidi became so popular there. [Wink]
Was that a long held belief that they were in fact Africans or is it a modern political move to link-up with Western blacks..meaning from their geographical POV Blacks of Africa and the Americas Btw I do know of African migrants to South East Asia but that's not who were are speaking about.
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You seem to be well versed on the Moors and Berbers. Your post about the Moors were good. I don't know much about the Moors and I usually avoid debating about them, because to me their origins seem to complex compared to the Ancient Egyptians.
I know a lot about the Moors and Arabs because I researched them writing some articles for Dr. Van Sertima's Journal of African civilization. I remember pleading with him about putting out something on the Moors. i knew he was interested in the subject matter because he used to teach a course at Rutgers where he was mentioningg some things about it. That's how I know that the skeletons of the early Arabs or Arabians and rock art were up until the Bronze age very similar to those found in the Nile Valley and the Sahara. Unfortunately a lot of that material on the Arabians and ancient Asia was taken out by the co-editor who then proceeded to plagiarize some of what I wrote and put it in his own article. (Which I will unfortunately be angry at for the next few lifetimes - knowing me.) Most of that research was done for a thesis at the University of Chicago and under the counsel of the head of the American Anthropological at the time, Dr. Jane Buikstra. I had also learned something of the Upper Nile valley through independent study there with Bruce Williams who had looked into Ta Seti. I have conversed and met with many people involved in this subject so i know something about what I am speaking of although I may like to joke.
That is why believe me when i say genetics is irrelevent when you don't know the historical movements that have gone on I'm just speaking from the point of view other specializations that are equally as important. one thing is certain if the ancient Arabs were NOT black than NEITHER WERE were the Ethiopians and ancient Egyptians and Saharans who were identical populations on both sides of the Red Sea. That is a major reason why I write about it. People have to understand Arabia, east Africa and even regions further north and east were at one time populated by related peoples. At no time will genetics ever be able to rule this out unless dna from those ancient peoples or their skeletons is analyzed. Posting haplotype studies and pictures of modern people who are Arabs only by nationality, language or because they have just some mild amount of ancestry from these ancient groups does not address the issue of who ancient Arabians i.e. the Sabaeans and their later black descendants in the Muslim period the non-Syrian Arabs i.e."Moorish Arabs" were related to.
Good post. And I agree. Genetics is not the only major factor when it comes to certain things. Physical remain, historic documentations,language, culture, migration,etc also plays a part.
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quote:Originally posted by Brada-Anansi: Son Of Ra I have met many Sri Lankans they do in fact self Id as Blacks although non claimed to be African, Africans and their descendants do not have a monopoly on the term Black as self identification ancient or modern.
I agree 100% that black is NOT exclusive to Africans but other people like some Southern Indians, Negritos, Pacific Islanders,etc.
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quote:Originally posted by Brada-Anansi: Son Of Ra I have met many Sri Lankans they do in fact self Id as Blacks although non claimed to be African, Africans and their descendants do not have a monopoly on the term Black as self identification ancient or modern.
Personally I do know and it is obvious that millions of Tamil people living in Asia have claimed and do claim to have remote African origins and strong African connections especially the ones that follow the Tamil tigers. All you have to do is look at some of the early Tamil and revolutionary writings. And, half the time they were not even the dark skinned ones.
That is why Runoko Rashidi became so popular there.
Well Indians did have trade/connections with the Somalis, Ethiopians and Swahili's. But I am not sure about Tamils having African origins. Maybe coming into contact with Africans(Axumite, Somalis) early on?
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You seem to be well versed on the Moors and Berbers. Your post about the Moors were good. I don't know much about the Moors and I usually avoid debating about them, because to me their origins seem to complex compared to the Ancient Egyptians.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fKAiVIJT448 And this is what I mean by how the use of genetic haplogroups is being distorted again by Neandernuts to write themselves into African amd in fact probably any civilized area of the ancient world.
Because a haplogroup is found in Tut that may have had connection to some ancient European haplotype showing he may or may not have had a white ancestry now the Viking is proven ancestor of pharaoh.
Just shows silliness and desperation of what's going on and has been going on for centuries in so-called Western science.
This Neanderdummy being interviewed is most certainly one of the LYIN __SSES relatives. I Guarantee it. loL!
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quote:Originally posted by Son of Ra: Well Indians did have trade/connections with the Somalis, Ethiopians and Swahili's. But I am not sure about Tamils having African origins. Maybe coming into contact with Africans(Axumite, Somalis) early on?
Earth to Son of Ra:
Where do you think Dravidians/Tamils came from?
Look at a map:
Moving "Away" from Africa, these people are just "PAST" the Tamils.
Moving "Further Away" from Africa, these people are just "PAST" those that are past the Tamils.
Damn, what the hell do they teach these children in school?
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quote:Originally posted by Brada-Anansi: Son Of Ra I have met many Sri Lankans they do in fact self Id as Blacks although non claimed to be African, Africans and their descendants do not have a monopoly on the term Black as self identification ancient or modern.
Personally I do know and it is obvious that millions of Tamil people living in Asia have claimed and do claim to have remote African origins and strong African connections especially the ones that follow the Tamil tigers. All you have to do is look at some of the early Tamil and revolutionary writings. And, half the time they were not even the dark skinned ones.
That is why Runoko Rashidi became so popular there.
Well Indians did have trade/connections with the Somalis, Ethiopians and Swahili's. But I am not sure about Tamils having African origins. Maybe coming into contact with Africans(Axumite, Somalis) early on?
Actually I believe the present Dravidians were a mix of African Austric and Iranic people like most of today's Indians, except that their language and some of the people preserve the culture that must have been brought in by Africans. Although everyone ultimately hase come from Africa, African and Austric group have a different culture stratum and origin. Dravidians have many cultural elements that link them strongly to more recent Africans. This similarity also extends to linguistics.
There is physical or biological evidence also to show some of the settlers in the Indus were similar to Nilotic Egyptians and certain Nubian populations at Jebel Moya. Not all Indus people of course were African but some, like some of the Elamites were probably derived from the Afro-Arabians who in term had settled in Arabia from Africa. There was at least one other group of likely AFrican origin probably similar to the Ubaid man that appears to have settled in mesolithic times in Asia including India. The same group settled in the Natufian culture.
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quote:Originally posted by Brada-Anansi: Son Of Ra I have met many Sri Lankans they do in fact self Id as Blacks although non claimed to be African, Africans and their descendants do not have a monopoly on the term Black as self identification ancient or modern.
Personally I do know and it is obvious that millions of Tamil people living in Asia have claimed and do claim to have remote African origins and strong African connections especially the ones that follow the Tamil tigers. All you have to do is look at some of the early Tamil and revolutionary writings. And, half the time they were not even the dark skinned ones.
That is why Runoko Rashidi became so popular there.
Well Indians did have trade/connections with the Somalis, Ethiopians and Swahili's. But I am not sure about Tamils having African origins. Maybe coming into contact with Africans(Axumite, Somalis) early on?
Actually I believe the present Dravidians were a mix of African Austric and Iranic people like most of today's Indians, except that their language and some of the people preserve the culture that must have been brought in by Africans. African and Austric people have a different culture and origin. Dravidians have many cultural elements that link them strongly to Africans. This similarity also extends to linguistics.
There is physical or biological evidence also to show some of the settlers in the Indus were similar to Nilotic Egyptians and certain Nubian populations at Jebel Moya. Not all Indus people of course were African but some, like some of the Elamites were probably derived from the Afro-Arabians who in term had settled in Arabia from Africa. There was at least one other group of likely AFrican origin probably similar to the Ubaid man that appears to have settled in mesolithic times in Asia including India. The same group settled in the Natufian culture.
I don't know about Dravidians/Tamils having recent African origins. But I believe Dravidians/Tamils descend from proto Cushite type people. Thats my theory.
I think the early Indus settlers could have looked like Nilotics from the Nile Valley.
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quote:Originally posted by Brada-Anansi: Son Of Ra I have met many Sri Lankans they do in fact self Id as Blacks although non claimed to be African, Africans and their descendants do not have a monopoly on the term Black as self identification ancient or modern.
Personally I do know and it is obvious that millions of Tamil people living in Asia have claimed and do claim to have remote African origins and strong African connections especially the ones that follow the Tamil tigers. All you have to do is look at some of the early Tamil and revolutionary writings. And, half the time they were not even the dark skinned ones.
That is why Runoko Rashidi became so popular there.
Well Indians did have trade/connections with the Somalis, Ethiopians and Swahili's. But I am not sure about Tamils having African origins. Maybe coming into contact with Africans(Axumite, Somalis) early on?
Actually I believe the present Dravidians were a mix of African Austric and Iranic people like most of today's Indians, except that their language and some of the people preserve the culture that must have been brought in by Africans. African and Austric people have a different culture and origin. Dravidians have many cultural elements that link them strongly to Africans. This similarity also extends to linguistics.
There is physical or biological evidence also to show some of the settlers in the Indus were similar to Nilotic Egyptians and certain Nubian populations at Jebel Moya. Not all Indus people of course were African but some, like some of the Elamites were probably derived from the Afro-Arabians who in term had settled in Arabia from Africa. There was at least one other group of likely AFrican origin probably similar to the Ubaid man that appears to have settled in mesolithic times in Asia including India. The same group settled in the Natufian culture.
I don't know about Dravidians/Tamils having recent African origins. But I believe Dravidians/Tamils descend from proto Cushite type people. Thats my theory.
I think the early Indus settlers could have looked like Nilotics from the Nile Valley.
Son of Ra - you do realize that Tamils and Dravidic peoples in general came from the north, right. When I say recent I'm speaking in terms of during the Holocene period and within the last 3 to 7,000 years. What you surmised, is not a theory but a speculation something people have too much of on this site. nevertheless i agree they could have had some ties to the proto-Cushitic or Afro-Asiatic speakers (if that's what you mean). That is at least what some linguistics are starting to suggest.
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quote:Originally posted by Brada-Anansi: Dana Marniche
quote:Personally I do know and it is obvious that millions of Tamil people living in Asia have claimed and do claim to have remote African origins and strong African connections especially the ones that follow the Tamil tigers. All you have to do is look at some of the early Tamil and revolutionary writings. And, half the time they were not even the dark skinned ones. That is why Runoko Rashidi became so popular there. [Wink]
Was that a long held belief that they were in fact Africans or is it a modern political move to link-up with Western blacks..meaning from their geographical POV Blacks of Africa and the Americas Btw I do know of African migrants to South East Asia but that's not who were are speaking about.
Its something Diop and Dravidian scholars came to conclude together probably and of course in the 20th century. that there are too many similarities to be explained away by trade or the same latitude. Posts: 4226 | From: New Jersey, USA | Registered: Mar 2007
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Aryans and Dravidians, and by extension Europeans and Dravidians, are the same people genetically. This is possible because even thought their respective skin colors are very different; that difference is attributable to Albinism, a genetic defect with does not effect the general genetic make-up of those so afflicted. Thus the Albino child of a Black Dravidian father with Y-dna R1 will still, and also, have Y-dna R1 too.
Aryans and Dravidians, and by extension Europeans and Dravidians, are the same people genetically. This is possible because even thought their respective skin colors are very different; that difference is attributable to Albinism, a genetic defect with does not effect the general genetic make-up of those so afflicted. Thus the Albino child of a Black Dravidian father with Y-dna R1 will still, and also, have Y-dna R1 too.
quote:Originally posted by Brada-Anansi: Son Of Ra I have met many Sri Lankans they do in fact self Id as Blacks although non claimed to be African, Africans and their descendants do not have a monopoly on the term Black as self identification ancient or modern.
Personally I do know and it is obvious that millions of Tamil people living in Asia have claimed and do claim to have remote African origins and strong African connections especially the ones that follow the Tamil tigers. All you have to do is look at some of the early Tamil and revolutionary writings. And, half the time they were not even the dark skinned ones.
That is why Runoko Rashidi became so popular there.
Well Indians did have trade/connections with the Somalis, Ethiopians and Swahili's. But I am not sure about Tamils having African origins. Maybe coming into contact with Africans(Axumite, Somalis) early on?
Actually I believe the present Dravidians were a mix of African Austric and Iranic people like most of today's Indians, except that their language and some of the people preserve the culture that must have been brought in by Africans. African and Austric people have a different culture and origin. Dravidians have many cultural elements that link them strongly to Africans. This similarity also extends to linguistics.
There is physical or biological evidence also to show some of the settlers in the Indus were similar to Nilotic Egyptians and certain Nubian populations at Jebel Moya. Not all Indus people of course were African but some, like some of the Elamites were probably derived from the Afro-Arabians who in term had settled in Arabia from Africa. There was at least one other group of likely AFrican origin probably similar to the Ubaid man that appears to have settled in mesolithic times in Asia including India. The same group settled in the Natufian culture.
I don't know about Dravidians/Tamils having recent African origins. But I believe Dravidians/Tamils descend from proto Cushite type people. Thats my theory.
I think the early Indus settlers could have looked like Nilotics from the Nile Valley.
Son of Ra - you do realize that Tamils and Dravidic peoples in general came from the north, right. When I say recent I'm speaking in terms of during the Holocene period and within the last 3 to 7,000 years. What you surmised, is not a theory but a speculation something people have too much of on this site. nevertheless i agree they could have had some ties to the proto-Cushitic or Afro-Asiatic speakers (if that's what you mean). That is at least what some linguistics are starting to suggest.
Yeah I mean that.
And I know Dravidians and Tamils come from the north. They were pushed south.
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